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Quote from: Tumanggor on August 05, 2021, 01:12:04 AM

keeping the style of the game so that it is not easy to predict is actually enough
but that's what a player should do when playing gambling at the table (offline or online)

we here often play cards with light bets and learn from each other's playing styles
players who don't have the ability to change their style and are easy to predict are often the first to lose

To think that you can change your playing styles and therefore to be unpredictable is self-deception. If you play in an online casino where it is possible to collect statistics on players, then with a certain number of hands, the opponent will know a lot about you. Therefore, if you want to avoid this, then you need to play where the player remains impersonal and, accordingly, it is impossible to collect statistics about him.

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Quote from: Fredomago on August 05, 2021, 12:55:22 AM

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And only those who are known and with connections shall get the information where will be the exact location where the next table is going to be located.
I think your description, I'm more picturing it out with those movies that are related to mafia and other gangster themed films. But it could also be in real life but it's far from unpredictable in poker tables.

More like with what scenes in the movies but it's true that it can happen in a real-life, mostly the idea already happening before some movies will tackle and feature it inside their works.

Mafias are good in switching from places to places, those who had access with them are capable to continue playing as tips will drive to them,

relating this to the topic seems more on how experienced gamblers to find good table to play against with.

That's the only relation that we can see from that to the topic and how they're able to adapt with the surroundings that we're they go at. Today, this might still be happening. The world is huge and we don't know what happens from the other sides of it.
As for the poker tables and players, I won't get into that type place as I'm good playing being unknown on the other side of the world through online tables.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on August 05, 2021, 09:18:16 AM

yes, in my country casinos are forbidden too, as far as I know we don't have underground casinos but there are some places you can go to play things like poker,
the lottery is allowed and ran by the government of course, and there is a famous game in the streets that is not legal but you can find everywhere that is called "jogo do bicho", kind like a clandestine lottery with animals

You'll not get the full satisfaction if you are afraid of getting caught, when gambling is illegal, you should not play in a physical casino, instead, learn how to do it online. What's the use of entertainment if you risk yourself getting caught on a violation that you will regret later?

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Quote from: Tumanggor on August 05, 2021, 01:12:04 AM

Quote from: Lordhermes on August 04, 2021, 08:51:09 PM

I think this is all about not playing a particular parttern of game continuously and repeatedly.Whike gambling,one needs to try so many methods of playing to try if you can get a win.Even after winning,one needs to switch playing style again to remain unpredictable.

keeping the style of the game so that it is not easy to predict is actually enough
but that's what a player should do when playing gambling at the table (offline or online)

we here often play cards with light bets and learn from each other's playing styles
players who don't have the ability to change their style and are easy to predict are often the first to lose

I think it's not always like that, because sometimes when you apply the same method after winning the results are still profitable too. There will be times when we have to change the style of play but I believe, to change it does not have to be right after winning or losing because the change can be made after we have lost or won several times.

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now, playing anonymously in real life, that would be tuff to accomplish

I have heard of underground casino back when I was around highschool, they have this kind of move to a different location BS every time they operate so it's hard to pinpoint exactly where they are, and only those with a connection to the owner and employees can know where this is happening. The rumor is that they are selling illegal stuff there and it's actually a black market that only has a casino as a cover.

it was kind of a joke since it's kind of a paradox, how to show your face and be anonymous in real life, specially nowadays?
but yes, I can see the possibility of these places existing and being a thing in many countries.

Yes there are that type of casinos, in my country casinos are forbidden, and there was a certain very new place, which only very discreet people had access to, however there they played roulette, poker, Black Jack, it was a place that only those people They knew its exact location, but due to some players who lost they sued the authorities and got the site, the owners were imprisoned and the players too, that was sad.

For this reason, the publicity of online sites is much needed, the way to reach people in my country is not so much through social networks, but through Radio, TV, posters, people here believe and trust much more in that kind of advertising.

yes, in my country casinos are forbidden too, as far as I know we don't have underground casinos but there are some places you can go to play things like poker,
the lottery is allowed and ran by the government of course, and there is a famous game in the streets that is not legal but you can find everywhere that is called "jogo do bicho", kind like a clandestine lottery with animals

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Quote from: Lordhermes on August 04, 2021, 08:51:09 PM

I think this is all about not playing a particular parttern of game continuously and repeatedly.Whike gambling,one needs to try so many methods of playing to try if you can get a win.Even after winning,one needs to switch playing style again to remain unpredictable.

keeping the style of the game so that it is not easy to predict is actually enough
but that's what a player should do when playing gambling at the table (offline or online)

we here often play cards with light bets and learn from each other's playing styles
players who don't have the ability to change their style and are easy to predict are often the first to lose

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Quote from: passwordnow on August 04, 2021, 07:24:24 PM

And only those who are known and with connections shall get the information where will be the exact location where the next table is going to be located.
I think your description, I'm more picturing it out with those movies that are related to mafia and other gangster themed films. But it could also be in real life but it's far from unpredictable in poker tables.

More like with what scenes in the movies but it's true that it can happen in a real-life, mostly the idea already happening before some movies will tackle and feature it inside their works.

Mafias are good in switching from places to places, those who had access with them are capable to continue playing as tips will drive to them,

relating this to the topic seems more on how experienced gamblers to find good table to play against with.

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I think this is all about not playing a particular parttern of game continuously and repeatedly.Whike gambling,one needs to try so many methods of playing to try if you can get a win.Even after winning,one needs to switch playing style again to remain unpredictable.

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now, playing anonymously in real life, that would be tuff to accomplish

I have heard of underground casino back when I was around highschool, they have this kind of move to a different location BS every time they operate so it's hard to pinpoint exactly where they are, and only those with a connection to the owner and employees can know where this is happening. The rumor is that they are selling illegal stuff there and it's actually a black market that only has a casino as a cover.

And only those who are known and with connections shall get the information where will be the exact location where the next table is going to be located.
I think your description, I'm more picturing it out with those movies that are related to mafia and other gangster themed films. But it could also be in real life but it's far from unpredictable in poker tables.

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Quote from: Smartprofit on August 04, 2021, 08:17:41 AM

In addition, each player has their own individual style of play. This style of play makes him easily recognizable to other players. You must use a different method ...

You must mentally create several subpersonalities with their own unique play skills and unique play style. This will confuse your opponents very much.

Each time they will not know what to expect from you.

In the online game, where you only know a username, being able to compare what one user does with what another does, and conclude that they are the same person, is extremely complicated.
Because, even if each person has their own style, it is difficult to associate a style to two usernames, because there are many similar styles, and those who play poker always end up varying their style.

The only way to eventually be able to associate two users with the same person is if the person talks in the game chat. Because the person can have many ways to play, but in general their way of speaking/writing is more difficult to disguise.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on August 04, 2021, 08:40:58 AM

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now, playing anonymously in real life, that would be tuff to accomplish

I have heard of underground casino back when I was around highschool, they have this kind of move to a different location BS every time they operate so it's hard to pinpoint exactly where they are, and only those with a connection to the owner and employees can know where this is happening. The rumor is that they are selling illegal stuff there and it's actually a black market that only has a casino as a cover.

it was kind of a joke since it's kind of a paradox, how to show your face and be anonymous in real life, specially nowadays?
but yes, I can see the possibility of these places existing and being a thing in many countries.

Yes there are that type of casinos, in my country casinos are forbidden, and there was a certain very new place, which only very discreet people had access to, however there they played roulette, poker, Black Jack, it was a place that only those people They knew its exact location, but due to some players who lost they sued the authorities and got the site, the owners were imprisoned and the players too, that was sad.

For this reason, the publicity of online sites is much needed, the way to reach people in my country is not so much through social networks, but through Radio, TV, posters, people here believe and trust much more in that kind of advertising.

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now, playing anonymously in real life, that would be tuff to accomplish

I have heard of underground casino back when I was around highschool, they have this kind of move to a different location BS every time they operate so it's hard to pinpoint exactly where they are, and only those with a connection to the owner and employees can know where this is happening. The rumor is that they are selling illegal stuff there and it's actually a black market that only has a casino as a cover.

it was kind of a joke since it's kind of a paradox, how to show your face and be anonymous in real life, specially nowadays?
but yes, I can see the possibility of these places existing and being a thing in many countries.

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I am not so sure this is a great idea, I mean even if many cryptocurrency casinos are very forgiving when it comes to force people to go through KYC on the terms and conditions you can find many casinos state that you can only have one account with them and if you open several accounts then that could be grounds to force you to go through KYC and maybe even voiding any winnings that you may had at the casino at the time, so before you do that you need to read those terms so you do not lose your money there.

I don't mean having multiple accounts at the same time! This general rule is not allowed!
What I meant is that there is a possibility to cancel an account and then open another one.

But back to the same, with KYC or without, other players will never know who the real player is. Therefore, this issue of anonymity is irrelevant to playing poker.

Replacing an account may result in the loss of all accumulated bonuses. This is a flaw in the method.

In addition, each player has their own individual style of play. This style of play makes him easily recognizable to other players. You must use a different method ...

You must mentally create several subpersonalities with their own unique play skills and unique play style. This will confuse your opponents very much.

Each time they will not know what to expect from you.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on July 23, 2021, 03:29:08 PM

This is a pretty good question/topic. I used to play in person poker a whole lot when the whole Texas Hold’Em craze started which was about 15-20 years ago now or so (good lord time flies by!). I think the best way to be unpredictable is to simply make sure you bluff enough for one. What I used to do is simply look down at the table and not make eye contact with anyone when the hand is ongoing. I think this helped keep me focused and didn’t allow people to read my facial movements. I was pretty good so it seems to have worked well.

Sometimes playing I tried to do that kind of strategy, but the truth is very difficult, I don't know if you remember pokerstars.net? When they did the games and live tournaments, many players were very serious and focused on their game, there it was very difficult to decipher what emotions they had, just a couple of looks between all of them, but it was very difficult, especially in the rounds that were For the semifinals, where the stakes went up and up, although it was very exciting on several occasions it seemed like a game of chess, however, for me they were all masters of poker because of the good plays they made.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on July 23, 2021, 03:29:08 PM

This is a pretty good question/topic. I used to play in person poker a whole lot when the whole Texas Hold’Em craze started which was about 15-20 years ago now or so (good lord time flies by!). I think the best way to be unpredictable is to simply make sure you bluff enough for one. What I used to do is simply look down at the table and not make eye contact with anyone when the hand is ongoing. I think this helped keep me focused and didn’t allow people to read my facial movements. I was pretty good so it seems to have worked well.

I'm specially interested on the things we can learn to be unpredictable at online poker as well
since the techniques of doing it in real life are a bit more common to hear about
any thoughts on that?

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on July 23, 2021, 03:29:08 PM

I think the best way to be unpredictable is to simply make sure you bluff enough for one. What I used to do is simply look down at the table and not make eye contact with anyone when the hand is ongoing. I think this helped keep me focused and didn’t allow people to read my facial movements. I was pretty good so it seems to have worked well.

It might have helped as much as it did becuase luck was on your side but then, I feel bluffing enough especially when you play amongst familiar or regular pals comes with a pattern you know. They get to understand a build up should they be observant enough and in that instance, the very thing your avoiding is what you've presented to them.

Looking at the game floor might be the way to go but controlling your emotions of excitement on your chick is one place that can unravel the mystery of what your having. One can not be too careful.

Quote from: Fredomago on July 23, 2021, 03:52:57 PM

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Gambling certainly revolves around luck and some days can be really bad you know. Nothing really works no matter how hard you try. On days like that, you've just got to stand and drive home.

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Quote from: tabas on July 23, 2021, 10:46:16 AM

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Quote from: Fredomago on July 21, 2021, 02:10:06 PM

Calling for some bluffs is connected after knowing that you still have back up money in case that things won't work well with your
attempts, being unpredictable as you continue to chase your winning cards.

Well, if there are situations that you need to bluff and even you don't have any money left then you should be bluffing just to put your last money on the line.
That's normal and you can just go back anytime whenever you have the money and capital again.0

But at least that's how it used to be, they were bluffing because maybe they were already frustrated or really wanted to test their luck. When you only have the last money then there is nothing wrong with bluffing because the result can be both a win and a loss, but if the bluff succeeds in making you win then of course that is a very good result, because then you can have another chance on the next card.

It's just about testing their luck most of the time but just to be unpredictable, some players really are just putting their last money on the line and think that they're going to be lucky with that last money left.
No one has said that bluffing is wrong whether you have the last money or you still got a lot of money. It's just another strategy that all poker players do.

I get both your point and there's nothing wrong doing that indeed. Gambling is gambling even you are good with your choosen game if luck is not in your side losing is the next thing to happened.

Bluffing with your last money, same thing with yoloing while playing dice or other luck based games, once luck permits you to win, it willl extend your stay, but if there's none beside you, then go home with the smile strategy didn't work and better luck next time. Roll Eyes

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This is a pretty good question/topic. I used to play in person poker a whole lot when the whole Texas Hold’Em craze started which was about 15-20 years ago now or so (good lord time flies by!). I think the best way to be unpredictable is to simply make sure you bluff enough for one. What I used to do is simply look down at the table and not make eye contact with anyone when the hand is ongoing. I think this helped keep me focused and didn’t allow people to read my facial movements. I was pretty good so it seems to have worked well.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on July 23, 2021, 08:55:49 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 23, 2021, 06:50:30 AM

Perhaps this is working with novice players, a professional hardly pays attention to "theoretical" other player's cards, he looks at his own. And as far as I know, there are very few newbies now, the peak of the popularity of poker has passed and most of the online players are pros who play many tables and use special software for the game, so you cannot scare them.

interesting, I'm not the biggest poker player so I can definitely be wrong on that
I understand the fact that the activity may get more professional with time but there's always noobs arriving, maybe there are just less nowadays, I dont know

I am an ordinary poker player, but I have friends who have been doing this professionally and playing poker has been their only income for several years (they played 120,000 hands a month). After the hype, when poker clubs opened here and there, and a lot of people were involved in this industry, dramatic changes took place - poker was banned in many countries (offline and online) and the flow of newcomers (who provided the main profit for regular players) decreased, therefore the average earnings decreased and many professional players were forced to end up with this. There is an opportunity to earn money there even now, but the difference is great. It is like working in a growing market and in a market that is in equilibrium - there is no longer any easy money.

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Quote from: hahay on July 23, 2021, 06:57:38 AM

Quote from: tabas on July 22, 2021, 07:56:07 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on July 21, 2021, 02:10:06 PM

Calling for some bluffs is connected after knowing that you still have back up money in case that things won't work well with your
attempts, being unpredictable as you continue to chase your winning cards.

Well, if there are situations that you need to bluff and even you don't have any money left then you should be bluffing just to put your last money on the line.
That's normal and you can just go back anytime whenever you have the money and capital again.0

But at least that's how it used to be, they were bluffing because maybe they were already frustrated or really wanted to test their luck. When you only have the last money then there is nothing wrong with bluffing because the result can be both a win and a loss, but if the bluff succeeds in making you win then of course that is a very good result, because then you can have another chance on the next card.

It's just about testing their luck most of the time but just to be unpredictable, some players really are just putting their last money on the line and think that they're going to be lucky with that last money left.
No one has said that bluffing is wrong whether you have the last money or you still got a lot of money. It's just another strategy that all poker players do.

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