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Quote from: harizen on June 21, 2021, 05:56:30 PM

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You can only bluff through emotes or chat words which can provoke your opponent and that is if you do it online, but it has no effect.

There are actually forms of bluff that can also be applied in online poker thru the actions at the deck or just even by the way a player is betting their chips. Not as effective as applying at the actual table but can still add some spices to the usual strategy when playing in online poker.

That's why you can see gamblers having a good run playing online poker. It means they are also doing some bluff actions aside from their already-knowledge skills.

The actual and online form can be different but I find bluffing more effective in actual table but not in online.

I think I've done some bluffing through online poker through chat and sending some icons to the other guy on the table but that's when the popularity of poker on facebook was still there, it's still playable today.

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Quote from: harizen on June 21, 2021, 05:56:30 PM

There are actually forms of bluff that can also be applied in online poker thru the actions at the deck or just even by the way a player is betting their chips. Not as effective as applying at the actual table but can still add some spices to the usual strategy when playing in online poker.

That's why you can see gamblers having a good run playing online poker. It means they are also doing some bluff actions aside from their already-knowledge skills.

Are you sure these tricks are relevant for online poker? Any professional or regular poker player plays multiple tables and doesn't have the time or attention to keep up with such little things. Maybe this is possible in some kind of tournament when players concentrate their attention at one table, but it still looks doubtful.

I personally admit that this strategy can still work in online poker too because after all, bluffs made in online and offline poker will certainly work and not, because there are only two possibilities. Anyway, when the opponent doesn't have good self-confidence then of course it will be easy for success about bluffing strategy and vice versa. So in this strategy, whether the result is successful or not depends on the opponent being faced, so the point is that we must know who the opponent we are facing is, because if the opponent we are facing is a pro gambler then of course a bluffing strategy does not guarantee success.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on June 20, 2021, 05:55:42 PM

totally agree with betwrong here

the concept of being impredictabe to yourself starts weird from point 0, imo

and Poker has a lot to do with skill so this information about many being 1st on online AND irl is really interesting

I think to test our theories on this matter in practice we need a poker tournament, something similar to Bitcointalk Poker Series we used to have. It's much better for the research than playing with random people because we can share screenshots of what we really had in this or that case here on bitcointalk. I myself played all of those games, and it has helped me a lot in improving my skills. Read through the threads dedicated to the Series, and you'll see that it was more about having fun and testing theories together than winning money.

I hope poker sites' owners or representatives might bump into this thread and then consider offering us a tournament or series with money added to the prize pool by sponsors. If this doesn't happen, we can think of something else.

definitely one of the best suggestions on this thread so far!
amazing idea!

but what is the best poker game on place that would have the structure for a crypto self-organized tournament?

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on June 20, 2021, 05:55:42 PM

totally agree with betwrong here

the concept of being impredictabe to yourself starts weird from point 0, imo

and Poker has a lot to do with skill so this information about many being 1st on online AND irl is really interesting

I think to test our theories on this matter in practice we need a poker tournament, something similar to Bitcointalk Poker Series we used to have. It's much better for the research than playing with random people because we can share screenshots of what we really had in this or that case here on bitcointalk. I myself played all of those games, and it has helped me a lot in improving my skills. Read through the threads dedicated to the Series, and you'll see that it was more about having fun and testing theories together than winning money.

I hope poker sites' owners or representatives might bump into this thread and then consider offering us a tournament or series with money added to the prize pool by sponsors. If this doesn't happen, we can think of something else.

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Quote from: harizen on June 21, 2021, 05:56:30 PM

There are actually forms of bluff that can also be applied in online poker thru the actions at the deck or just even by the way a player is betting their chips. Not as effective as applying at the actual table but can still add some spices to the usual strategy when playing in online poker.

That's why you can see gamblers having a good run playing online poker. It means they are also doing some bluff actions aside from their already-knowledge skills.

Are you sure these tricks are relevant for online poker? Any professional or regular poker player plays multiple tables and doesn't have the time or attention to keep up with such little things. Maybe this is possible in some kind of tournament when players concentrate their attention at one table, but it still looks doubtful.

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Quote from: harizen on June 21, 2021, 05:56:30 PM

Quote from: bitzizzix on June 21, 2021, 12:52:32 PM

You can only bluff through emotes or chat words which can provoke your opponent and that is if you do it online, but it has no effect.

There are actually forms of bluff that can also be applied in online poker thru the actions at the deck or just even by the way a player is betting their chips. Not as effective as applying at the actual table but can still add some spices to the usual strategy when playing in online poker.

That's why you can see gamblers having a good run playing online poker. It means they are also doing some bluff actions aside from their already-knowledge skills.

or they can be lucky and have many good hands, a lot of possibilities

but yes, is common sense now that poker is a game that is way more based on skill than pure luck.

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Quote from: bitzizzix on June 21, 2021, 12:52:32 PM

You can only bluff through emotes or chat words which can provoke your opponent and that is if you do it online, but it has no effect.

There are actually forms of bluff that can also be applied in online poker thru the actions at the deck or just even by the way a player is betting their chips. Not as effective as applying at the actual table but can still add some spices to the usual strategy when playing in online poker.

That's why you can see gamblers having a good run playing online poker. It means they are also doing some bluff actions aside from their already-knowledge skills.

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Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Using the bluffing strategy may only work well if some of our opponents are beginners, because the purpose of this strategy is to knock down the opponent's mentality and when their mentality falls they will surrender/close the card. So I suggest not using the bluffing strategy for all opponents because this trick is very easy for opponents to guess because almost all poker players use this trick very often.

Bluffing is only applicable when we play personally face to face but online it will not work that much. Only a few were able to succeed in bluffing in actual so what mores in online. It takes skills to win poker since even our cards were quite good but we didn't do strategize to play it we will not win at all.

You can only bluff through emotes or chat words which can provoke your opponent and that is if you do it online, but it has no effect.
Skills and strategies in playing poker are needed and can read attitude and time when adding bets.
when the cards are good will play time by stretching them while taking turns adding bets, and if not good will be fast when adding bets.
and both are just tricks to make it look otherwise.

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Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 07:37:45 PM

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

When it comes to poker games it's a bit tricky. Developing technique to remain unpredictable requires consistent practice and gambling all most all the time. You just have to practice to be good at what you do and also do them well enough to secure your winnings m

Becoming unpredictable is not as difficult, I just posted a way to do this that is relatively easy to implement, it is just that most people are not good enough to be able to do this, after all poker is a game not only of math but also of patience, and while becoming unpredictable could help your game at the same time most people do not have even the basics covered and instead should concentrate on improving their abilities to read their opponents and the strength of their own game.

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Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 07:37:45 PM

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Using the bluffing strategy may only work well if some of our opponents are beginners, because the purpose of this strategy is to knock down the opponent's mentality and when their mentality falls they will surrender/close the card. So I suggest not using the bluffing strategy for all opponents because this trick is very easy for opponents to guess because almost all poker players use this trick very often.

Bluffing is only applicable when we play personally face to face but online it will not work that much. Only a few were able to succeed in bluffing in actual so what mores in online. It takes skills to win poker since even our cards were quite good but we didn't do strategize to play it we will not win at all.

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Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 07:37:45 PM

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Using the bluffing strategy may only work well if some of our opponents are beginners, because the purpose of this strategy is to knock down the opponent's mentality and when their mentality falls they will surrender/close the card. So I suggest not using the bluffing strategy for all opponents because this trick is very easy for opponents to guess because almost all poker players use this trick very often.

That's added to the risk factor, understanding those opponents in front of you,

Some experienced players won't allow you to recognized that they are good in bluffing, they'll allow you to win in some point, studying all you've got before burning your strategy, experienced gamblers especially with skills types of gambling understand the value of observing, they'll start creating strategy after learning the type of opponents they've got inside the table.

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totally agree with betwrong here

the concept of being impredictabe to yourself starts weird from point 0, imo

and Poker has a lot to do with skill so this information about many being 1st on online AND irl is really interesting

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So, does unpredictability on games correlates to being unpredictable in life in a positive or negative way?
or none?

Someone who has really predictable life and routine, could be more unpredictable on games than someone who live in a more erratic and unexpected way?

There does not have to be any kind of correlation between those two aspects, after all poker is a game in which math is heavily involved so for example if you wanted to raise your unpredictability a few points then you could take a look at your watch, while wearing glasses to cover your eyes of course, and if you happen to lay your eyes on the watch at a particular second or seconds then you could bluff or do some other action, this way you become unpredictable as not even you know what you will do.

In my opinion, good poker players always know what they are doing(or at least trying to). Being unpredictable doesn't imply being unpredictable to yourself, you should be unpredictable to others. If you don't know what you are doing, what can happen is, by accident, you can make a move that is expected from you, judging by your previous play.

Also, you can be "wearing glasses to cover your eyes" if you like, but it's not necessary, surely not "of course". These days, the same people who are winning in online poker games take top positions in live poker tours too. Which conclusion can be drawn from this fact, in your opinion?

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Quote from: Lanatsa on June 17, 2021, 04:56:18 PM

Im having a hard time on making out bluffs and able to read up other opponent through online unlike when you are on face to face on them then its easy to determine
and this is one of the pros when you do play on personally and not online.

Well there are some people who are already get used on bluffing online even though it might not be the same when you are face to face on a player but still a bit effective.

Its just really hard to determine if that one is true or just simple trying to make you fold.

True indeed but there is a situation where you thought that your opponent said that his/her card is bad hand but it is not true so, in my opinion about face to face playing poker determining the opponents bluffing comparison to bluffing in online poker is a bit the same as playing face to face. I wouldn't say that it is easy to determining the bluff in face to face as some people are the first one to bet decent amount that made the other people think that he/she is bluffing, I've tried it myself and it looked like I am bluffing but the truth is that I didn't, I only have an upper hand that has a higher chance to win (my lucky days back then).

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Quote from: Desmong on June 18, 2021, 06:41:48 AM

Quote from: Questat on June 18, 2021, 06:03:21 AM

Practice makes perfect, successful poker players also started being a loser, they learn their way and have improved their strategy. That's gambling, if you are serious, you need to work for it to improve your skills because in the long run, it's still you who will benefit from being consistent.

I think I would have to agree with you because nothing good or beneficiary comes easy. The OP needs to work more on some certain aspects of his strategy and also research more areas that will help to be a good poker. Like you said, nothing comes easy just like a person going to school to get knowledge and certificate that will help to secure a nice paying job.
Everything in life need effort and time in other to procure a desirable achievement.

curious, I disagree here
sometimes we get lucky and things come easy. But of course this is the exception and not the rule and we can't only wait for luck if we want to achieve success in life.

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Quote from: Questat on June 18, 2021, 06:03:21 AM

Practice makes perfect, successful poker players also started being a loser, they learn their way and have improved their strategy. That's gambling, if you are serious, you need to work for it to improve your skills because in the long run, it's still you who will benefit from being consistent.

I think I would have to agree with you because nothing good or beneficiary comes easy. The OP needs to work more on some certain aspects of his strategy and also research more areas that will help to be a good poker. Like you said, nothing comes easy just like a person going to school to get knowledge and certificate that will help to secure a nice paying job.
Everything in life need effort and time in other to procure a desirable achievement.

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You can try to practice poker in an online platform thta have poker like facebook zynga poker. I have been playing there lonf enough and I noticed some people have fallen to bluff moves. When I tried to bluff two or three times within three sessions, they will know that I am bluffing but when I randomly bluff they aren't sure that I have higher chance of winning. Some people might bluff at the same time when you bluff so it's difficult to know if they are bluffing or not. It is very tricky. I sometimes bluff when I have good hand.

Im having a hard time on making out bluffs and able to read up other opponent through online unlike when you are on face to face on them then its easy to determine
and this is one of the pros when you do play on personally and not online.

Well there are some people who are already get used on bluffing online even though it might not be the same when you are face to face on a player but still a bit effective.

Its just really hard to determine if that one is true or just simple trying to make you fold.

Practice makes perfect, successful poker players also started being a loser, they learn their way and have improved their strategy. That's gambling, if you are serious, you need to work for it to improve your skills because in the long run, it's still you who will benefit from being consistent.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on June 17, 2021, 02:10:15 PM

You can try to practice poker in an online platform thta have poker like facebook zynga poker. I have been playing there lonf enough and I noticed some people have fallen to bluff moves. When I tried to bluff two or three times within three sessions, they will know that I am bluffing but when I randomly bluff they aren't sure that I have higher chance of winning. Some people might bluff at the same time when you bluff so it's difficult to know if they are bluffing or not. It is very tricky. I sometimes bluff when I have good hand.

Im having a hard time on making out bluffs and able to read up other opponent through online unlike when you are on face to face on them then its easy to determine
and this is one of the pros when you do play on personally and not online.

Well there are some people who are already get used on bluffing online even though it might not be the same when you are face to face on a player but still a bit effective.

Its just really hard to determine if that one is true or just simple trying to make you fold.

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returning to the OP's question, because I only knew this topic now...
I believe the best poker players are the ones who don't let any feelings come through. There are those who use facial expressions to bluff, but a good player studies the signs of a liar and can easily notice bluffs after a while.
There is no trick, it's all a matter of practice.

Of course, in a virtual game all that changes, but the emotion of the game is much lower than in a face-to-face game.

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You can try to practice poker in an online platform thta have poker like facebook zynga poker. I have been playing there lonf enough and I noticed some people have fallen to bluff moves. When I tried to bluff two or three times within three sessions, they will know that I am bluffing but when I randomly bluff they aren't sure that I have higher chance of winning. Some people might bluff at the same time when you bluff so it's difficult to know if they are bluffing or not. It is very tricky. I sometimes bluff when I have good hand.

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