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Quote from: Lucasgabd on June 01, 2021, 10:46:53 AM

would you say that the techniques and tricks for online and offline pocker are almost like 2 different games?
with similar rules
or its not as different as that?

The main rules will be the same.

Now, the way of playing has to be different.
In the offline game, bluffing can involve several aspects, such as facial expression and table posture.
In the online game, these aspects no longer apply. Therefore, the only bluff that can be used is the level of betting behavior, and whether or not to go to the game.

yes! totally agree
level of betting and also repetitive behavior or not, even on online poker sometimes you can tell after playing a few tables if the person usually bluffs more or not by the way they bet/fold and frequency

Not that much since it would rather be ending up as a hunch unlike if you do able to see the persons face or in physical on where you can presume out that he is really into something on where these things cant really be determined when you do play online.You can determine things between two.
So its up to someones own perception and observation but we can really tell the diffence.

yes, of course its easier to determine bluffs in real life playing, my point is that it may also be possible on online gaming, even though its harder
way more challenging.

I definitely like playing irl the most but online poker have its nice aspects as well

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Quote from: hahay on June 02, 2021, 04:30:30 AM

would you say that the techniques and tricks for online and offline pocker are almost like 2 different games?
with similar rules
or its not as different as that?

The main rules will be the same.

Now, the way of playing has to be different.
In the offline game, bluffing can involve several aspects, such as facial expression and table posture.
In the online game, these aspects no longer apply. Therefore, the only bluff that can be used is the level of betting behavior, and whether or not to go to the game.

yes! totally agree
level of betting and also repetitive behavior or not, even on online poker sometimes you can tell after playing a few tables if the person usually bluffs more or not by the way they bet/fold and frequency

Not that much since it would rather be ending up as a hunch unlike if you do able to see the persons face or in physical on where you can presume out that he is really into something on where these things cant really be determined when you do play online.You can determine things between two.
So its up to someones own perception and observation but we can really tell the diffence.

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Quote from: paxmao on June 02, 2021, 04:54:44 AM

The only technique that will work is to have a poker-faced and it can be done by practice and through meditation, I have seen people who practice yoga and they can have no feeling or expression at all if they want, practice makes perfect if you practice over a thousand rounds and you get to use having no expression at all, you can achieve that if you are dedicated to your craft.

I still don't know what a poker face is, is not having an expression what is meant by a poker face? I didn't know there was this term but anyway, I don't think you should practice yoga because in this case at least you can control yourself, don't panic and can keep your breathing steady. So that way, I'm sure when you do it often you will also be able to apply an expressionless face in poker but still, it seems like it's something difficult in poker because the tension in the game is bound to happen.

Not really, a poker face is simply to not change your behaviors regardless of the hand you are given, so for example if you are a serious player that does not talk a lot on the table and you have a bad hand then you still do not change your betting habits, the way you bet and the time you take to think, basically you need to do everything in the same way despite what you have in your hand, and if you are a talkative and extroverted player then your poker face is to keep being that way regardless of what you have.

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Being predictable is a state that you rather not be in, it not only reduces your chances of winning in a good game of poker at the table and the value to which you stand to win but then, it goes down to putting you at security risk. Being unpredictability an important part of our human existence and it goes straight into the poker too. With it being a reading game, your better not being read.

When you've got the cards right, your emotions sets win, a near win kind of syndrome and as such, no matter how you try to pretend, a part of you keeps being excited and thats the part you have to fight. Perhaps banking your hopes on the anger of a previous lose could jeep that in check. You bluff a few times but not once too many and give a straight stare quite often. It just might help

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Quote from: hahay on June 02, 2021, 04:30:30 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on June 02, 2021, 04:19:39 AM

The only technique that will work is to have a poker-faced and it can be done by practice and through meditation, I have seen people who practice yoga and they can have no feeling or expression at all if they want, practice makes perfect if you practice over a thousand rounds and you get to use having no expression at all, you can achieve that if you are dedicated to your craft.

I still don't know what a poker face is, is not having an expression what is meant by a poker face? I didn't know there was this term but anyway, I don't think you should practice yoga because in this case at least you can control yourself, don't panic and can keep your breathing steady. So that way, I'm sure when you do it often you will also be able to apply an expressionless face in poker but still, it seems like it's something difficult in poker because the tension in the game is bound to happen.

I do not see a non-professional using meditation or yoga in order to play better at poker. I do see professionals doing it on a constant basis, because the sums of money they have to bet on are sometimes life-changing and it takes a special personality to stay there without blinking. I also wonder sometimes if they are able to lie to a detector or send a false signal on purpose to other players. And all that at the same time that they are watching the rivals while appearing not to be watching the rivals. Perhaps enough to drive anyone insane?

Not an easy task but there are some people who have that capabilities., experienced gives the extra edge controlling the emotions that they've wanted their competitors will think about them,.

A matter of time that you spend from this venue of activity to master your emotions and controlling both your physical and your mental capabilities.

Being unpredictable is a skill that can learn while you are enjoying playing inside the casino.

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Quote from: Betwrong on May 29, 2021, 05:47:23 AM

~ Talking about Texas hold 'em, there's really nothing to memorize there. If you mean you can memorize with what cards a particular player was raising/calling in that rare case when he/she decides to show cards when finally folding or losing, those cards are most likely they want you to memorize, to mislead you about their way of playing.

If Texas hold'em in Facebook, that is one old game that I played before with my friends. I can't memorize the cards, but many of my friends can do that. Perhaps, that can work for some people and not for others because playing poker games needs many things to win, and that is not easy.

I've never played poker on Facebook, but I'm pretty sure if it's Texas hold 'em then the rules are the same. I still see no point in memorizing cards, sorry. If you could share just one example where memorizing was helpful, that would be great.

Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 07:37:45 PM

If that is poker online, we can not use the way we use offline poker, and we need to find another way to trick the opponent.

Bet sizing can be much more important than your face expression. An additional, although weaker factor, is time taken before your action. Both, online a offline poker, are equally suitable for these "tricks".

Maybe not memorizing but calculating odds can help.
depending on the cards on the table and on your hand you can try and calculate the odds of other players to have better hands than you.
definitely not easy, but feasible.

nice trick on checking response times of users.

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Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

I'm sure you are talking about Real life Poker right? because it is stupid to expect about our emotion on bluffing to be known by the computer online Grin

Anyway , There is no such thing unless you know how to divert your emotion from tense to happy, and from normal to abnormal.

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Quote from: hahay on June 02, 2021, 04:30:30 AM

The only technique that will work is to have a poker-faced and it can be done by practice and through meditation, I have seen people who practice yoga and they can have no feeling or expression at all if they want, practice makes perfect if you practice over a thousand rounds and you get to use having no expression at all, you can achieve that if you are dedicated to your craft.

I still don't know what a poker face is, is not having an expression what is meant by a poker face? I didn't know there was this term but anyway, I don't think you should practice yoga because in this case at least you can control yourself, don't panic and can keep your breathing steady. So that way, I'm sure when you do it often you will also be able to apply an expressionless face in poker but still, it seems like it's something difficult in poker because the tension in the game is bound to happen.

I do not see a non-professional using meditation or yoga in order to play better at poker. I do see professionals doing it on a constant basis, because the sums of money they have to bet on are sometimes life-changing and it takes a special personality to stay there without blinking. I also wonder sometimes if they are able to lie to a detector or send a false signal on purpose to other players. And all that at the same time that they are watching the rivals while appearing not to be watching the rivals. Perhaps enough to drive anyone insane?

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The only technique that will work is to have a poker-faced and it can be done by practice and through meditation, I have seen people who practice yoga and they can have no feeling or expression at all if they want, practice makes perfect if you practice over a thousand rounds and you get to use having no expression at all, you can achieve that if you are dedicated to your craft.

I still don't know what a poker face is, is not having an expression what is meant by a poker face? I didn't know there was this term but anyway, I don't think you should practice yoga because in this case at least you can control yourself, don't panic and can keep your breathing steady. So that way, I'm sure when you do it often you will also be able to apply an expressionless face in poker but still, it seems like it's something difficult in poker because the tension in the game is bound to happen.

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Quote from: Betwrong on May 29, 2021, 05:47:23 AM

~ Talking about Texas hold 'em, there's really nothing to memorize there. If you mean you can memorize with what cards a particular player was raising/calling in that rare case when he/she decides to show cards when finally folding or losing, those cards are most likely they want you to memorize, to mislead you about their way of playing.

If Texas hold'em in Facebook, that is one old game that I played before with my friends. I can't memorize the cards, but many of my friends can do that. Perhaps, that can work for some people and not for others because playing poker games needs many things to win, and that is not easy.

I've never played poker on Facebook, but I'm pretty sure if it's Texas hold 'em then the rules are the same. I still see no point in memorizing cards, sorry. If you could share just one example where memorizing was helpful, that would be great.

Quote from: joker_josue on May 31, 2021, 06:39:05 AM

If that is poker online, we can not use the way we use offline poker, and we need to find another way to trick the opponent.

Bet sizing can be much more important than your face expression. An additional, although weaker factor, is time taken before your action. Both, online a offline poker, are equally suitable for these "tricks".

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Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 07:37:45 PM

would you say that the techniques and tricks for online and offline pocker are almost like 2 different games?
with similar rules
or its not as different as that?

The main rules will be the same.

Now, the way of playing has to be different.
In the offline game, bluffing can involve several aspects, such as facial expression and table posture.
In the online game, these aspects no longer apply. Therefore, the only bluff that can be used is the level of betting behavior, and whether or not to go to the game.

yes! totally agree
level of betting and also repetitive behavior or not, even on online poker sometimes you can tell after playing a few tables if the person usually bluffs more or not by the way they bet/fold and frequency

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Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

The only technique that will work is to have a poker-faced and it can be done by practice and through meditation, I have seen people who practice yoga and they can have no feeling or expression at all if they want, practice makes perfect if you practice over a thousand rounds and you get to use having no expression at all, you can achieve that if you are dedicated to your craft.

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Quote from: joker_josue on May 31, 2021, 06:39:05 AM

Now, the way of playing has to be different.
In the offline game, bluffing can involve several aspects, such as facial expression and table posture.
In the online game, these aspects no longer apply. Therefore, the only bluff that can be used is the level of betting behavior, and whether or not to go to the game.

Many didn't mind really the bluffs at all in online, they prefer to focus mostly in their cards when online and decide depending only on their cards. Unlike in real casinos that there are many aspect too look at like their previous game, the confidence of player in betting or playing or the aura the player is portraying. The only difference poker can be see how we analyse the game is since we all have our own way of playing these games.

I think one aspect why online and offline bluffing is so different is that you can touch your chips. When sitting in an offline casino we have all our money in front of us, to raise it go all in we actually need to move our chips in the middle. While online we just click a button, I find that the connection to the money behind the gambling is getting a bit lost when playing online. That is also why bluffing works better in a physical casino in my opinion.

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Quote from: joker_josue on May 31, 2021, 06:39:05 AM

Now, the way of playing has to be different.
In the offline game, bluffing can involve several aspects, such as facial expression and table posture.
In the online game, these aspects no longer apply. Therefore, the only bluff that can be used is the level of betting behavior, and whether or not to go to the game.

Many didn't mind really the bluffs at all in online, they prefer to focus mostly in their cards when online and decide depending only on their cards. Unlike in real casinos that there are many aspect too look at like their previous game, the confidence of player in betting or playing or the aura the player is portraying. The only difference poker can be see how we analyse the game is since we all have our own way of playing these games.

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Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 07:37:45 PM

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Not an expert but usually in order to avoid being read by the other player is that what comes to my mind first that's the thing I will do, an example it comes to my mind that I will bluff then that's what i'm going to do. I'm not quite sure if that would work to other players but I think you should try to discover your own way not to be read by others.

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would you say that the techniques and tricks for online and offline pocker are almost like 2 different games?
with similar rules
or its not as different as that?

The main rules will be the same.

Now, the way of playing has to be different.
In the offline game, bluffing can involve several aspects, such as facial expression and table posture.
In the online game, these aspects no longer apply. Therefore, the only bluff that can be used is the level of betting behavior, and whether or not to go to the game.

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If Texas hold'em in Facebook, that is one old game that I played before with my friends. I can't memorize the cards, but many of my friends can do that. Perhaps, that can work for some people and not for others because playing poker games needs many things to win, and that is not easy.

If that is poker online, we can not use the way we use offline poker, and we need to find another way to trick the opponent.

would you say that the techniques and tricks for online and offline pocker are almost like 2 different games?
with similar rules
or its not as different as that?

I guess so. The technique can be the same, but the tricks might not the same because we can't bluff the other opponent directly as we can't see their face. You can use the technique that you already usually used, and you can have a chance to win.

I think the rules can be the same because poker games will have the same rules, whether offline or online. Perhaps, each offline and online casino can additional rules in the table, but the basic rules will be the same.

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If Texas hold'em in Facebook, that is one old game that I played before with my friends. I can't memorize the cards, but many of my friends can do that. Perhaps, that can work for some people and not for others because playing poker games needs many things to win, and that is not easy.

If that is poker online, we can not use the way we use offline poker, and we need to find another way to trick the opponent.

would you say that the techniques and tricks for online and offline pocker are almost like 2 different games?
with similar rules
or its not as different as that?

Rules are just the same but on how the game is played in some essence would really be different and you can tell it out directly on just by seeing both situations.

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