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legendary
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November 24, 2023, 09:39:54 AM
Sorry, I didn't want to take DB. I wanted to buy the whole operation and refund the users.

I don't need the DB.

I guess that wasn't the intention, although it looked that way.
If you take my advice, I would tell you to avoid this deal anyway. Betnomi as a casino has been inactive for some time, which certainly cancels most of what they did on their promotion. Add to that the negative reputation they have at the moment, they do not represent a desirable investment.

Also, keep in mind that (at least according to Sorsis) part of the team left and pretty much compromised the whole business. As a potential new manager, you may not get the most accurate insight into all the problems and potential shortcomings.
hero member
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November 24, 2023, 07:24:13 AM
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By how their handle the case

Do you think, people are gonna to use it anymore? IMO, they will back to the industry but using a different brand name. Everyone know right now, while they're facing some problem they tried to hide it on the public.

These is not gonna to be a big deal, If they not leaving user without information, silence and ignore any discussion about the case.

For sure there are doubts to use their new casino but if they show some great changes especially with the people working it also in support side maybe it can change the doubts to trust. For now they should be true to their words about the refund since this is what people looking forward to them. If they can do it in short period of time without any delays and all of affected users will get their money then it maybe a game changer for them.

For now people doesn't care about their newly launching plan but rather they are looking for the refund process to happen. Gaining trust maybe hard for them to gain again so this is a lot of work that need to fix up so they can regain back their reputation from people in this forum/
copper member
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November 24, 2023, 07:15:51 AM
Betnomi Refund Plan
Code:
1. First name, Last name (if you are KYC verified)
2. Username (request will be ignored if the username does not exist)
3. Email address (request will be ignored if the email does not match)
4. Refund Amount (approximate balance is acceptable)
5. Wallet address (we will process only in the cryptocurrency you have)

This whole thing has more holes than Swiss cheese.
legendary
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November 24, 2023, 07:15:25 AM
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By how their handle the case

Do you think, people are gonna to use it anymore? IMO, they will back to the industry but using a different brand name. Everyone know right now, while they're facing some problem they tried to hide it on the public.

These is not gonna to be a big deal, If they not leaving user without information, silence and ignore any discussion about the case.
hero member
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November 24, 2023, 07:03:11 AM
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A long time ago.

People who are asking on their telegram, they deleted the message + kicked the person. My account is also getting banned because asking these on their telegram, not everyone is a forum geeks.

They don't have access to the site (to change MT into refund information) + people getting kicked. So, the people who are getting kick from their group will not receive any update (they're have higher chance not gonna get the refund due don't get any information at all).

If thats the case then it is really that indeed shady and something that do talks about obvious shady and it did really end up on being a scam.
Did hover into OP's current feedback rating and i do see on latest which is on Efialtis.

https://www.btcgosu.com/blog/news/betnomi-exit-scam-users-left-in-limbo-as-crypto-gambling-operator-shuts-down/

Very detailed information on how Betnomi did really become on this current situation. Just as expected for Btcgosu
on which information are really that indeed precise and concise. Good thing now that they are really that making that refund
on which it is something ethical that they should do after a long time silence.
sr. member
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November 24, 2023, 06:57:38 AM
It is nice to see that Betnomi is coming back to refund their users money.

Therefore, we have decided to permanently cease operations and stop using the Betnomi brand in our best interests.
What if all users have been refunded and you build back good reputation, are you coming back or no Betnomi again?

We'd be looking forward to seeing when you will refund all customers back their money.

To a large extent, I believe they will get to build reputation to greater heights if they successfully refund everyone and if they can refund 100% of all their investor's fund.  But if it goes otherwise, they should expect nothing less of zero reputation.

Refunding totally invested funds might build reputation enough to get same investors on board their next brand as they believe you have their best interest at heart.
legendary
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November 24, 2023, 06:48:40 AM
And two, how will you confirm the required submission entries you propose[2], if you don't have that very database to match them up?
Sorsis is making the stories with a lot of mistakes and telling lies to hide the lies. He has included a few many conditions for the users to be eligible for the refund. They won't be able to verify those conditions without having the full database of Betnomi. They don't have the complete database as it was sold by them to a third party.


While it is a red flag, some sites prob could care less if they are exiting the market. Unless someone was on the inside whistleblowing, noone would know really except the buyer and seller. I don't think that's on the table in this case, I am assuming Betnomi is trying to make users whole again and rebuild. Only time will tell at this point.
They are trying to get another chance to scam the people again. Betnomi has nothing left to rebuild it's reputation and trust from the users. OP (Sorsis) has already mentioned in the main post that the 'database was compromised and potentially sold'. And Betnomi's users have an idea about this since last 4 months.

Betnomi website is still in maintenance and not working, but something strange happened today with unique email I used for registering on Betnomi website.
I received spam email from someone called CryptoBonuses and it was redirecting to website Crashout, that all looks a lot like scam.
Maybe Betnomi data was hacked or something else happened, but this is first time I heard about this websites.
sr. member
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November 24, 2023, 02:53:47 AM
Would you consider selling me your all operations/platforms/database in exchange for refunding all of your users?

with an ESCROW of course.

No, no, selling users' databases, is a big red flag and should not be considered.
When registering, Betnomy users certainly did not consent to the trading of their data. It's like that on all online services.
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Sorry, I didn't want to take DB. I wanted to buy the whole operation and refund the users.

I don't need the DB.
legendary
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November 24, 2023, 12:14:42 AM
Would you consider selling me your all operations/platforms/database in exchange for refunding all of your users?

with an ESCROW of course.

No, no, selling users' databases, is a big red flag and should not be considered.
When registering, Betnomy users certainly did not consent to the trading of their data. It's like that on all online services.
While it is a red flag, some sites prob could care less if they are exiting the market. Unless someone was on the inside whistleblowing, noone would know really except the buyer and seller. I don't think that's on the table in this case, I am assuming Betnomi is trying to make users whole again and rebuild. Only time will tell at this point.
legendary
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November 23, 2023, 07:26:23 PM
Would you consider selling me your all operations/platforms/database in exchange for refunding all of your users?

with an ESCROW of course.

No, no, selling users' databases, is a big red flag and should not be considered.
When registering, Betnomy users certainly did not consent to the trading of their data. It's like that on all online services.
legendary
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Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
November 23, 2023, 05:27:17 PM
If we had access to the actual site database, we would simply restore the site and allow users to withdraw their funds directly. Unfortunately, this is not the case, and we can only do what we can with the resources available to us.
So that means that someone else still have the full access to original database with all the information from customers  Shocked
What prevents them to take all coins from accounts, send mass emails claiming it is coming from Betnomi?
This mess you created reminds me more on a flea market, than on on serious casino.  Roll Eyes

Rather than taking coins or something like it, this mostly translates to security flaws, fishing campaigns against the former users of the platform, stuff like that.
It is certainly interesting Betnomi does not longer have a copy of the data base of their users anymore while the people who went rogue managed to secure a copy to sell by themselves in the dark market.

Also, regardless of the apparent mess we see and which was created by people in this casino, at least there is a real effort being done to repair what happened to all gamblers who trusted this platform. Hopefully, this screw-ups won't stop the progress which is being done.
legendary
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November 23, 2023, 05:09:08 PM
If we had access to the actual site database, we would simply restore the site and allow users to withdraw their funds directly. Unfortunately, this is not the case, and we can only do what we can with the resources available to us.
So that means that someone else still have the full access to original database with all the information from customers  Shocked
What prevents them to take all coins from accounts, send mass emails claiming it is coming from Betnomi?
This mess you created reminds me more on a flea market, than on on serious casino.  Roll Eyes
hero member
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November 23, 2023, 04:52:10 PM
Regarding the suggestion to send an email to users, this is clearly the most effective way to resolve this issue. However, as we mentioned in our initial statement, we do not have access to the database. We do have a limited version of the database that is shared with regulators for compliance purposes. If we had access to the actual site database, we would simply restore the site and allow users to withdraw their funds directly. Unfortunately, this is not the case, and we can only do what we can with the resources available to us.
It means you guys have lost the database of the users who had their money on your platform and now you guys have just limited information about the users and on the basis of that information you guys are trying to accomplish the refunding program.

If I'm not wrong then most of the platforms have some kind of backup of their databases every once in a while but it seems like that you guys forgot about that back-up thing. I still hope that you guys may get success in refunding all those users who lost their money, and trust me that would be the best step any trusted platform would ever take. I know that users won't trust the Betnomi again but at least they won't call it a scam-exit thing.


Would you consider selling me your all operations/platforms/database in exchange for refunding all of your users?

with an ESCROW of course.

Does that have any relation with what they are doing? I mean what would you possibly do with their operations/platforms/database? Won't it be a really hard thing to refund all those users who have lost their money due to the incompetency of the Betnomi.
legendary
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November 23, 2023, 04:18:29 PM
Any claim to the contrary is blatantly false and unfounded. If the entries of one of the users are correct, then only arallmuus has not yet received the promised prize. For other users, custom wallets were delivered by postal service as promised. We have several more of these devices, and we plan to distribute them all soon

I can testify that I havent received this but Betnomi did pmed me before about this. I didnt even know at that time that I was one of the recipient

Betnomi actually pmed me like a day or two after the whole site got shutted down asking for my delivery address so I was actually worried if their account was compromised at that time then I replied them with asking them to sort the their site's issue before sending me those ledger because it wasnt that trivial compared to the chaos back then
legendary
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November 23, 2023, 02:32:11 AM
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Regarding the suggestion to send an email to users, this is clearly the most effective way to resolve this issue. However, as we mentioned in our initial statement, we do not have access to the database. We do have a limited version of the database that is shared with regulators for compliance purposes. If we had access to the actual site database, we would simply restore the site and allow users to withdraw their funds directly. Unfortunately, this is not the case, and we can only do what we can with the resources available to us.

No, you said you you manage to successfully retrieve a backup of your database. No mention of limited version[1]. Two things that might be interesting to point out; One, did you imply that the irresponsible person who stole your database has your customer's email addresses, and you somehow still couldn't get your hand into it although this is now a court case? If we have to exhaust every option [since you're trying your best to refund] I believe a court-appointed entity can get a hand into the database and blast an email announcing this, especially since the aim here is to make your customer whole again. And two, how will you confirm the required submission entries you propose[2], if you don't have that very database to match them up?

[1]
Fortunately, we have successfully retrieved a backup of our database and are working with regulators to develop a plan for fully refunding all users. This plan will be announced in the coming days.

[2]
1. First name, Last name (if you are KYC verified)
2. Username (request will be ignored if the username does not exist)
3. Email address (request will be ignored if the email does not match)
4. Refund Amount (approximate balance is acceptable)
5. Wallet address (we will process only in the cryptocurrency you have)
sr. member
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November 23, 2023, 01:33:19 AM
Would you consider selling me your all operations/platforms/database in exchange for refunding all of your users?

with an ESCROW of course.
legendary
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November 23, 2023, 01:10:17 AM
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A long time ago.

People who are asking on their telegram, they deleted the message + kicked the person. My account is also getting banned because asking these on their telegram, not everyone is a forum geeks.

They don't have access to the site (to change MT into refund information) + people getting kicked. So, the people who are getting kick from their group will not receive any update (they're have higher chance not gonna get the refund due don't get any information at all).
hero member
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November 22, 2023, 06:17:17 PM
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Well, In this case

A lot of people are not gonna know this information, the site being on MT mode since 3+month while people check everyday you guys deleted and kick people for any question or other think about these case on your telegram.

Let's see in the end how much people total people + fund being refunded.
If this is the case then they should really be refraining on kicking people into their TG but instead it would be better to make some announcement about refunding.

If they are really that serious on giving out money or refunding their users then they should really be that announcing in all possible channels and not
really just that on this thread alone as if it looks that they are really just that limiting that kind of exposure for other or users
couldnt be able to see this announcement.  Cool

hero member
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November 22, 2023, 03:55:11 PM

Regarding the suggestion to send an email to users, this is clearly the most effective way to resolve this issue. However, as we mentioned in our initial statement, we do not have access to the database. We do have a limited version of the database that is shared with regulators for compliance purposes. If we had access to the actual site database, we would simply restore the site and allow users to withdraw their funds directly. Unfortunately, this is not the case, and we can only do what we can with the resources available to us.

The onions is still on the company to reach out to all those that have lost hope to recover what they had in the platform. Quite a number of complaints came in here on this platform and of course some customers are not part of this platform, that means you have to make effort to send mails to those. You have to be very loud about the refund process and not just on this platform.

You have to go public and on your website if you want to show sincerity. You have to also extend the window for withdrawal because one month is small considering the numbers of people who won't get the news from now till a month time.
legendary
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November 22, 2023, 03:19:37 PM
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Well, In this case

A lot of people are not gonna know this information, the site being on MT mode since 3+month while people check everyday you guys deleted and kick people for any question or other think about these case on your telegram.

Let's see in the end how much people total people + fund being refunded.
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