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Quote from: ajareselde on July 30, 2016, 01:58:31 PM

He is obviously asking for more money, that's for sure.

That aside, my question remains ; if he (Jason) is legally correct, why doesn't he sue betcoin, or betsoft, or whoever the hell thinks costed him that jackpot amount ?
And don't talk about costs please, because anyone can pay for lawyer and lawsuit knowing that he will win it. But that's just the point - he can't win because he already settled the case.

And even after all logic goes away, i still can understand Jason, but i can't understand Witch hunters claiming to talk in Jason's best interest, when all they do is
clearly attack betcoin.ag specific , even tho there are tons of sites using Betsoft. Now that's something you don't do unless you have personal interest in site being attacked.

Betcoin.ag could and should have done things differently in my opinion, but they are far away from scam many claim them to be. If you think otherwise, and/or feel wronged
by them; by all means take legal action.

All this whining and flaming is getting old.

Do you need it spelled out for you? OK, let's assume that he hires a lawyer. Where is that lawyer going to file a case? If they file it in a U.S. court, it will be immediately thrown out because overseas companies are not within their jurisdiction. So now he needs to find out where the laws do apply to Betcoin. According to their terms of service, it appears they're operating under the laws of Hong Kong or possibly Curacao. So now he hires a lawyer in Hong Kong to file a court case there. It's going to get thrown out, or maybe he'll get arrested, because he's just admitted to online gambling in Hong Kong, which is strictly illegal. OK, let's find a lawyer in Curacao, because maybe that's where they have an e-gaming license. The reason that businesses get e-gaming licenses in Curacao is because they don't care if your company is reputable or not and won't prosecute you as long as you give them money for a license. Now what?

If he had been playing in a B&M casino in Las Vegas, he would have some legal avenues to pursue, but he wasn't. Obviously, the issue with playing on overseas casinos like Betcoin with sketchy or no licensing is that if something like this happens, you have no legal recourse, as demonstrated in jasonort's situation.

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Quote from: ajareselde on July 30, 2016, 02:11:21 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 30, 2016, 02:00:28 PM

He is absolutely not asking for more money. wtf is wrong with you?

I guess i was molested as a child... I'm sorry but that question above, coming from you tilted my brain for a sec.
If you really think he is not, then you are more delusional than anyone here, and there are a lot of candidates.

wtf?

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 30, 2016, 02:00:28 PM

He is absolutely not asking for more money. wtf is wrong with you?

I guess i was molested as a child... I'm sorry but that question above, coming from you tilted my brain for a sec.
If you really think he is not, then you are more delusional than anyone here, and there are a lot of candidates.

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He is absolutely not asking for more money. wtf is wrong with you?

do I really need to explain how ridiculous you're being by implying Jason had an option to sue anyone?

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Quote from: marlais on July 30, 2016, 12:48:48 PM

Quote from: ajareselde on July 30, 2016, 07:54:28 AM

Well i certainly wouldn't go around forums and whine about how i think someone did me wrong, and i most certainly wouldnt say :

Quote from: jasonort on July 06, 2016, 05:55:09 PM

I am pleased to say that this matter has been resolved to my satisfaction by all parties involved. Responsibility has been taken by Betcoin.ag for lack of clarification from their customer support, Betsoft has acknowledged that the wording on the pay table may have been cause for misunderstanding with respect to jackpot eligibility. Both parties have been very helpful and cooperative in resolving this and made the necessary adjustments.

and then continue asking for more money after settlement, and after saying all that.

I'm not a shill behind alt account, you are. I'm just annoyed that bunch of people are abusing this case to attack competition.

I haven't seen any post by jasonort asking for more money after the settlement, although it's certainly possible that I missed it because Betcoin has been deleting his posts. The one big post that I saw was this one:

https://www.betcoin.ag/setting-record-straight

asking that people not quote him in forums as proof that Betcoin is good or bad (like what you just did), and asking Betcoin to answer some legitimate questions about the chain of custody of wagers, why they are deleting posts, and more generally asking for greater transparency. From the "P.S." portion, it sounds like he's not comfortable playing slots on Betcoin until some changes are made.

As razzle pointed out, he doesn't have a legal leg to stand on in this situation, so it would be a costly waste of time to retain a lawyer and try to fight it in the courts. Sounds like he learned an expensive lesson. His only recourse at this point is to make what happened public knowledge on forums or wherever he can think of (within the terms of his settlement, of course) and attempt to get some better explanations so it doesn't happen to him or anyone else again, either because they've fixed the issue or because people will know which games/sites to avoid. Who can blame him?

He is obviously asking for more money, that's for sure.

That aside, my question remains ; if he (Jason) is legally correct, why doesn't he sue betcoin, or betsoft, or whoever the hell thinks costed him that jackpot amount ?
And don't talk about costs please, because anyone can pay for lawyer and lawsuit knowing that he will win it. But that's just the point - he can't win because he already settled the case.

And even after all logic goes away, i still can understand Jason, but i can't understand Witch hunters claiming to talk in Jason's best interest, when all they do is
clearly attack betcoin.ag specific , even tho there are tons of sites using Betsoft. Now that's something you don't do unless you have personal interest in site being attacked.

Betcoin.ag could and should have done things differently in my opinion, but they are far away from scam many claim them to be. If you think otherwise, and/or feel wronged
by them; by all means take legal action.

All this whining and flaming is getting old.

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Quote from: jasonort on July 29, 2016, 12:44:55 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 27, 2016, 05:55:51 PM

Betcoin.ag has just erased my entire post on their forums. I gave them every opportunity to explain their side of this. I did not throw them under the bus. I was civil. And now they erase my post and just expect me to disappear? Game on.

This should be interesting..

*gets popcorn ready*

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Quote from: ajareselde on July 30, 2016, 07:54:28 AM

Well i certainly wouldn't go around forums and whine about how i think someone did me wrong, and i most certainly wouldnt say :

Quote from: jasonort on July 06, 2016, 05:55:09 PM

I am pleased to say that this matter has been resolved to my satisfaction by all parties involved. Responsibility has been taken by Betcoin.ag for lack of clarification from their customer support, Betsoft has acknowledged that the wording on the pay table may have been cause for misunderstanding with respect to jackpot eligibility. Both parties have been very helpful and cooperative in resolving this and made the necessary adjustments.

and then continue asking for more money after settlement, and after saying all that.

I'm not a shill behind alt account, you are. I'm just annoyed that bunch of people are abusing this case to attack competition.

I haven't seen any post by jasonort asking for more money after the settlement, although it's certainly possible that I missed it because Betcoin has been deleting his posts. The one big post that I saw was this one:

https://www.betcoin.ag/setting-record-straight

asking that people not quote him in forums as proof that Betcoin is good or bad (like what you just did), and asking Betcoin to answer some legitimate questions about the chain of custody of wagers, why they are deleting posts, and more generally asking for greater transparency. From the "P.S." portion, it sounds like he's not comfortable playing slots on Betcoin until some changes are made.

As razzle pointed out, he doesn't have a legal leg to stand on in this situation, so it would be a costly waste of time to retain a lawyer and try to fight it in the courts. Sounds like he learned an expensive lesson. His only recourse at this point is to make what happened public knowledge on forums or wherever he can think of (within the terms of his settlement, of course) and attempt to get some better explanations so it doesn't happen to him or anyone else again, either because they've fixed the issue or because people will know which games/sites to avoid. Who can blame him?

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Quote from: ajareselde on July 30, 2016, 07:54:28 AM

Quote from: RazzleDazzle on July 30, 2016, 06:59:38 AM

LOL, I'm sure you'd follow your own line of reasoning if you were the one that got screwed for hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's pretty obvious from the thread that Betcoin/Betsoft tried to keep him quiet by giving him part of his winnings but not the entire thing. It's pretty obvious he took the deal because it was either that or 0. It's pretty obvious that he just wanted Betcoin to come out and publicly say that they weren't gonna let this sort of stuff happen again to one of their players. It's pretty obvious that Betcoint deleted his posts and just tried to sweep everything under the rug. Duh.

LOL at suing them. Yup, just file an action in an US court, it's that easy. Wait no...you have to serve them in whatever random island they operate out of, hire firms with an expertise in HK law (because for some odd reason Betcoin has that as their choice of law, despite online gambling being outright illegal in HK), and fund a lengthly lawsuit. Yea, that seems very doable.

Maybe next time, shill more tactfully or think before typing.

Well i certainly wouldn't go around forums and whine about how i think someone did me wrong, and i most certainly wouldnt say :

Quote from: jasonort on July 06, 2016, 05:55:09 PM

I am pleased to say that this matter has been resolved to my satisfaction by all parties involved. Responsibility has been taken by Betcoin.ag for lack of clarification from their customer support, Betsoft has acknowledged that the wording on the pay table may have been cause for misunderstanding with respect to jackpot eligibility. Both parties have been very helpful and cooperative in resolving this and made the necessary adjustments.

and then continue asking for more money after settlement, and after saying all that.

I'm not a shill behind alt account, you are. I'm just annoyed that bunch of people are abusing this case to attack competition.

Well I certainly wouldn't go around promoting a scummy site like Betcoin. Even if they paid me. I guess you would though huh.

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Quote from: RazzleDazzle on July 30, 2016, 06:59:38 AM

LOL, I'm sure you'd follow your own line of reasoning if you were the one that got screwed for hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's pretty obvious from the thread that Betcoin/Betsoft tried to keep him quiet by giving him part of his winnings but not the entire thing. It's pretty obvious he took the deal because it was either that or 0. It's pretty obvious that he just wanted Betcoin to come out and publicly say that they weren't gonna let this sort of stuff happen again to one of their players. It's pretty obvious that Betcoint deleted his posts and just tried to sweep everything under the rug. Duh.

LOL at suing them. Yup, just file an action in an US court, it's that easy. Wait no...you have to serve them in whatever random island they operate out of, hire firms with an expertise in HK law (because for some odd reason Betcoin has that as their choice of law, despite online gambling being outright illegal in HK), and fund a lengthly lawsuit. Yea, that seems very doable.

Maybe next time, shill more tactfully or think before typing.

Well i certainly wouldn't go around forums and whine about how i think someone did me wrong, and i most certainly wouldnt say :

Quote from: jasonort on July 06, 2016, 05:55:09 PM

I am pleased to say that this matter has been resolved to my satisfaction by all parties involved. Responsibility has been taken by Betcoin.ag for lack of clarification from their customer support, Betsoft has acknowledged that the wording on the pay table may have been cause for misunderstanding with respect to jackpot eligibility. Both parties have been very helpful and cooperative in resolving this and made the necessary adjustments.

and then continue asking for more money after settlement, and after saying all that.

I'm not a shill behind alt account, you are. I'm just annoyed that bunch of people are abusing this case to attack competition.

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Quote from: ajareselde on July 30, 2016, 04:02:46 AM

Quote from: jasonort on July 29, 2016, 12:44:55 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 27, 2016, 05:55:51 PM

https://i.gyazo.com/79dd01f845582372e2e85f8fa203857f.png

Betcoin.ag has just erased my entire post on their forums. I gave them every opportunity to explain their side of this. I did not throw them under the bus. I was civil. And now they erase my post and just expect me to disappear? Game on.

I don't get one thing jason; If you believe you are wronged, why don't you start legal action against them ? Instead you cry around forums which doesn't help you at all.

And what happened to this :

Quote from: jasonort on July 06, 2016, 05:55:09 PM

I am pleased to say that this matter has been resolved to my satisfaction by all parties involved. Responsibility has been taken by Betcoin.ag for lack of clarification from their customer support, Betsoft has acknowledged that the wording on the pay table may have been cause for misunderstanding with respect to jackpot eligibility. Both parties have been very helpful and cooperative in resolving this and made the necessary adjustments.

You said that you are pleased with outcome, what now ? You want more money ? That's close to extortion.

All the bullshit aside, stop acting like a child and either sue them, or move on. It's that simple.

LOL, I'm sure you'd follow your own line of reasoning if you were the one that got screwed for hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's pretty obvious from the thread that Betcoin/Betsoft tried to keep him quiet by giving him part of his winnings but not the entire thing. It's pretty obvious he took the deal because it was either that or 0. It's pretty obvious that he just wanted Betcoin to come out and publicly say that they weren't gonna let this sort of stuff happen again to one of their players. It's pretty obvious that Betcoint deleted his posts and just tried to sweep everything under the rug. Duh.

LOL at suing them. Yup, just file an action in an US court, it's that easy. Wait no...you have to serve them in whatever random island they operate out of, hire firms with an expertise in HK law (because for some odd reason Betcoin has that as their choice of law, despite online gambling being outright illegal in HK), and fund a lengthly lawsuit. Yea, that seems very doable.

Maybe next time, shill more tactfully or think before typing.

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Quote from: jasonort on July 29, 2016, 12:44:55 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 27, 2016, 05:55:51 PM

Betcoin.ag has just erased my entire post on their forums. I gave them every opportunity to explain their side of this. I did not throw them under the bus. I was civil. And now they erase my post and just expect me to disappear? Game on.

I don't get one thing jason; If you believe you are wronged, why don't you start legal action against them ? Instead you cry around forums which doesn't help you at all.

And what happened to this :

Quote from: jasonort on July 06, 2016, 05:55:09 PM

I am pleased to say that this matter has been resolved to my satisfaction by all parties involved. Responsibility has been taken by Betcoin.ag for lack of clarification from their customer support, Betsoft has acknowledged that the wording on the pay table may have been cause for misunderstanding with respect to jackpot eligibility. Both parties have been very helpful and cooperative in resolving this and made the necessary adjustments.

You said that you are pleased with outcome, what now ? You want more money ? That's close to extortion.

All the bullshit aside, stop acting like a child and either sue them, or move on. It's that simple.

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Quote from: jasonort on July 29, 2016, 12:44:55 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 27, 2016, 05:55:51 PM

Betcoin.ag has just erased my entire post on their forums. I gave them every opportunity to explain their side of this. I did not throw them under the bus. I was civil. And now they erase my post and just expect me to disappear? Game on.

I think you should perform action against them, you should fight them into court since the amount u have won is alot and should no matter what be paid to you. Betcoin.ag is a scam company, they only pay small winnings.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 27, 2016, 05:55:51 PM

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Betcoin.ag has just erased my entire post on their forums. I gave them every opportunity to explain their side of this. I did not throw them under the bus. I was civil. And now they erase my post and just expect me to disappear? Game on.

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Anyone following the Betcoin issues should also check their sig campaign thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15709511;topicseen#msg15709511

its the only place betcoin has been willing to respond, so its kind of turned into the new home for the discussion.

(I know, complicated)

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Quote from: CL-Ed on July 25, 2016, 06:39:00 PM

But those games are not there anymore right? Right, because they were fakes. They were pirated games running on a server under the control of the pirates. Novomatic do not license their games to unregulated casinos, and they are currently not available anywhere for legitimate play in Bitcoin. Let me be clear - anywhere that you find a Novomatic game that is playable in BTC or mBTC, the game is a fake and you are being cheated.

If you ever played these games at Betcoin, you were cheated. If so you should be contacting the casino and demanding a refund for any losses incurred on them. I won't hold my breath waiting for them to give it to you.

You might consider posting this information in the main Betcoin.ag thread as well. This thread is more about the jasonort incident and Betsoft, and your post will probably be overlooked by most people looking for Betcoin information. Here is a link to the main thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betcoinpokercom-betcoinag-big-tourneys-bonus-freerolls-ring-games-real-poker-386266

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Hi folks. Thanks to Twitchyseal I was made aware of Betcoin's funny article about us (CasinoListings.com) that they wrote in an attempt to deflect from the bad publicity that their and Betsoft's actions have caused. After reading that and looking around their site I found this very interesting article that they published on October 9, 2014:

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Book of Ra Deluxe Slot & 30 New Slots Added to BetcoinCasino.com Lineup

BetcoinCasino.com is excited to announced the inclusion of 31 new slots into the slot lineup at BetcoinCasino.com taking our total number of games available to over 200. The new games are headlined by one of the worlds most popular slots Book of Ra Deluxe.

The new games also include:

Sizzling Hot deluxe, Dolphin's Pearl Deluxe, Lucky Lady's Charm Deluxe, Lord of the Ocean Deluxe, Just Jewels Deluxe, Book of Ra, Columbus Deluxe, Dolphin Treasure, Queen of the Nile, Beetle Mania Deluxe, Dolphin's Pearl, 50 Dragons, Queen of the Nile II, Xtra Hot, 50 Lions, Power Stars, Geisha, Pelican Pete, Sun and Moon, Tiki Torch, Double Happiness, Lucky Count, Wild Panda, Miss Kitty

The new games are not a part of the bonus program for now, and are available for play by doing a transfer from your account. Simply, click on a game and then click Money Transfer. Transfer the specified funds and then you can play.

We are working to bring the most complete casino experience to you and appreciate any questions, suggestions and concerns that you may have.

But those games are not there anymore right? Right, because they were fakes. They were pirated games running on a server under the control of the pirates. Novomatic do not license their games to unregulated casinos, and they are currently not available anywhere for legitimate play in Bitcoin. Let me be clear - anywhere that you find a Novomatic game that is playable in BTC or mBTC, the game is a fake and you are being cheated.

If you ever played these games at Betcoin, you were cheated. If so you should be contacting the casino and demanding a refund for any losses incurred on them. I won't hold my breath waiting for them to give it to you.

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Yesterday, shortly after the following exchange in chat:

Cjmoles left me the following negative feedback (lies obviously):

It seems he wasn't rewarded as generously as ajundftd, just a step 3 (25mbtc) ticket Sad

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The following is from Betcoins "JasonOrt Case Resolution" on July 6th.

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...Throughout this entire process jasonort can attest to the fact that the Betcoin.ag staff made ourselves available nearly 24/7 to answer every question and provide proper updates when available as we would have done for all of our great players. jasonort was also clear to never blame Betcoin.ag for this issue as this was clearly a software issue and would have happened on any other online casino.

Throughout this entire circumstance jasonort continued to play at Betcoin.ag and so did many new and old Betcoin.ag players. We are very thankful for that. We will always do the right thing at Betcoin.ag for our great players...

It's now been 6 days since JasonOrts Set the Record Straight and ask Betcoin 3 questions post.

Instead of responding to JasonOrt, Betcoin is deleting posts to keep Jasons thread from appearing on the "recent activity".

From player chat: (I edited it down, archived complete version: https://archive.is/jrhWQ )

Another recently deleted explained why a new player decided to make the following post about me (none of it is true) Twitchyseal Offered Me Money on Instagram to Lie About Betcoin

The entire archived post can be found here (it's long): https://gyazo.com/caf33a91785fc3570d7c736db3e8c9c8

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