I don't want the lynch mob thinking I am from BFL.
Topic: BFL: Chips have shipped, on their way to US (Read 25640 times)
I will be sure to put newlines at the end of my sentences from now on.
I don't want the lynch mob thinking I am from BFL.
I don't want the lynch mob thinking I am from BFL.
Double spaces after sentences are normal when typing on a typewriter. It used to be the accepted practice but is now considered outmoded when using a keyboard. I would say that the only thing it really proves is that the typist learned to type on a typewriter, or from a typing teacher without current skills. Two spaces after sentences is no longer considered correct by any current style guild (APA, MLA, etc).
Yes, that was intentional.
Yes, that was intentional.
Geez PG...
Then you must be BFL as well then, since you (and billion others) use SP when writing. I do that as well... unless I'm writing something more official papers (legal/business etc). Although the formal way is DS, few if any would probably notice or care if you use SP.
Then you must be BFL as well then, since you (and billion others) use SP when writing. I do that as well... unless I'm writing something more official papers (legal/business etc). Although the formal way is DS, few if any would probably notice or care if you use SP.
If the money is good and you don't have to deliver anything, as they have proven so far, there are easy and legal ways to siphon all the money out of the company and into your own pocket.
I like the DS analysis, even if it is borderline paranoia. Maybe there is sth to be found about KnC too...
I like the DS analysis, even if it is borderline paranoia. Maybe there is sth to be found about KnC too...
It gets better:
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Phin,
Just my opinion, but the double-space thing is weak sauce. It's not completely valueless in hypothesis testing, but nearly so.
As a slight asside, I think I remember from typing class (and I learned, under great duress, on a manual typewriter) that double-spaces were appropriate in separating sentences.
Your point is well taken, for I did take typing in HS in the late 70's, and a DS was indeed the norm at the beginning of a sentence, as well as before the Zip Code.
But, what I have done is spend Bryan's quarter and offer up a clue. Jody is over 60 years old and has been typing her entire life, but doesn't use a DS. It's a hard habit to break, one I chose in breaking while writing online early on.
A much younger person would probably not use DS in their pennings, yet there's a handful of BFL diehards at such a tender age choosing to do so.
Josh is well versed...I repeat, Josh is well versed in creating discontent online to further an agenda. This fact is well documented.
It gets better:
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Phin,
Just my opinion, but the double-space thing is weak sauce. It's not completely valueless in hypothesis testing, but nearly so.
As a slight asside, I think I remember from typing class (and I learned, under great duress, on a manual typewriter) that double-spaces were appropriate in separating sentences.
It gets better:
The above is indicative of all of Lab_Rat's posts: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/labrat-70379
Now compare that with: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bfllabrat-70315
I would really appreciate being whitelisted. It's in place to prevent bots, spammers, and scammers. I'm none of the above and have a previous account that I no longer wish to be associated with. Going through this process a second time is not enjoyable.
The above is indicative of all of Lab_Rat's posts: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/labrat-70379
Now compare that with: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bfllabrat-70315
I think it mostly depends on if you think that ButterflyLabs is going to ship on time and where you think you are or will be on the pre-order list. From what i understand they are going to start shipping to the pre-orders next month, but no guarantee on when you will get yours if you are just now ordering.
Interesting catch PG.
Here's something just as interesting:
Since the majority of our resources are focused on our Mini Rig and BitForce 'SC' ASIC fronts right now, this will be a very very limited program, and will be strictly limited to just forty (40) FPGA Litecoin boards (LTC Singles). After the run of 40 LTC Singles, there will be no more. You do not have to be a current BFL Single owner to purchase an LTC Single and in fact there will be no preferential treatment given to people who are trading their BFL Singles in. We will go strictly by the pre-order list, and then first-come-first-serve if there are any units left. These converted and LTC Singles will be available to anybody who wants to buy them.
We currently have a prototype mining at ~718kh/s at around 78W using the standard power supply we include with our regular BFL Singles. We are pricing these at $499 or LTC equivalent for pre-orders, but (and if any are left) they will be priced at $599 at launch date some time in October and will carry our standard 6-month warranty.
Starting right now, you can reserve up to five (5) LTC Singles, and keeping with the spirit of the program, we will accept Litecoins and only Litecoins for pre-order. If you'd like to reserve 1-5 of the 40 LTC Singles, you can send a 2000 LTC deposit for each unit you'd like order to the following address, which will be counted toward your final purchase:
mod notice: BFL confirms this to be a fraud
Be sure to send a copy of your Transaction ID to [email protected] and include how many units you wish to reserve. Please limit your pre-order to 5 units, though we admit this will be mostly an honor-system sort of thing. BFL-Engineer will be here shortly to fill in any technicals.
Regards,
BFL-Scrypt
I'm busted. This was a scam attempt. But since nobody was actually hurt, I don't get a Scammer tag right?
Again, a double space poster. But there's an even weirder part. Scrypt declared it a scam attempt. An attempt to steal money. Yes! But nobody sent any. Prior to any money changing hands, an email would need to be sent. To what andress, you ask? This one: [email protected].
Toward the end of that thread, theymos bans him.
Bottomline, he could have done better and claimed a troll attempt, for that would make sense. But admitting to trying to steal money via a butterflylabs.com email account is totally bazard.
Folks, I think we have a serious situation on our hands, and you don't want to know what I'm thinking. But I will state this: I believe BFL has been playing good-cop/bad-cop and they're going for the long con. It's beginning to all add up now, and I don't mean in BFL's favor.
Then explain this
Who are you..........identify yourself Interesting catch PG.
Here's something just as interesting:
Since the majority of our resources are focused on our Mini Rig and BitForce 'SC' ASIC fronts right now, this will be a very very limited program, and will be strictly limited to just forty (40) FPGA Litecoin boards (LTC Singles). After the run of 40 LTC Singles, there will be no more. You do not have to be a current BFL Single owner to purchase an LTC Single and in fact there will be no preferential treatment given to people who are trading their BFL Singles in. We will go strictly by the pre-order list, and then first-come-first-serve if there are any units left. These converted and LTC Singles will be available to anybody who wants to buy them.
We currently have a prototype mining at ~718kh/s at around 78W using the standard power supply we include with our regular BFL Singles. We are pricing these at $499 or LTC equivalent for pre-orders, but (and if any are left) they will be priced at $599 at launch date some time in October and will carry our standard 6-month warranty.
Starting right now, you can reserve up to five (5) LTC Singles, and keeping with the spirit of the program, we will accept Litecoins and only Litecoins for pre-order. If you'd like to reserve 1-5 of the 40 LTC Singles, you can send a 2000 LTC deposit for each unit you'd like order to the following address, which will be counted toward your final purchase:
mod notice: BFL confirms this to be a fraud
Be sure to send a copy of your Transaction ID to [email protected] and include how many units you wish to reserve. Please limit your pre-order to 5 units, though we admit this will be mostly an honor-system sort of thing. BFL-Engineer will be here shortly to fill in any technicals.
Regards,
BFL-Scrypt
I'm busted. This was a scam attempt. But since nobody was actually hurt, I don't get a Scammer tag right?
Again, a double space poster. But there's an even weirder part. Scrypt declared it a scam attempt. An attempt to steal money. Yes! But nobody sent any. Prior to any money changing hands, an email would need to be sent. To what andress, you ask? This one: [email protected].
Toward the end of that thread, theymos bans him.
Bottomline, he could have done better and claimed a troll attempt, for that would make sense. But admitting to trying to steal money via a butterflylabs.com email account is totally bazard.
Folks, I think we have a serious situation on our hands, and you don't want to know what I'm thinking. But I will state this: I believe BFL has been playing good-cop/bad-cop and they're going for the long con. It's beginning to all add up now, and I don't mean in BFL's favor.
Never met another Sonny.
Though I will add that double spaces are common all over the planet
Though I will add that double spaces are common all over the planet
That is true, even on this forum, and even Satoshi. But on a percentage basis, 4 different people from a small sample, all of which are the only ones posting/ed on this forum is rather particular.
Is it safe to assume that Sonny K = Sonny Vleisides?
Never met another Sonny.
Though I will add that double spaces are common all over the planet
Though I will add that double spaces are common all over the planet
Maybe Sonny wrote BFL_Josh's template and Josh just posted it?
hmm
hmm
My theory is that Josh has been with BFL a lot longer than what we've been led to believe.
Remember when members here were ready to go to KC and check out BFL, but Josh jumped in and said no need, for he's already there? In fact, directly across the street. Here's the pics, all!
What are the odds that four people in a small group all double space at the beginning of a sentence: BFL; Sonny V; Sonny K; Josh?
They're in a little trap if they want to claim that BFL is Sonny V. They never did answer the question as to who is Sonny K. Did Kano or Luke meet Sonny K? If they did, did he look like Sonny Vleisides?
Maybe Sonny wrote BFL_Josh's template and Josh just posted it?
hmm
hmm
Interesting catch PG.
Thanks, smoothie!
Apologies for reposting this, but desire the following to be above the fold.
When is the 1 year anniversary for the first announcement of BFL ASICs?
Ain't this special! You never guess what I discovered while seeking to answer your question, revealed at the end of the following quote. Unless another confirmed date is presented, I'm guessing May 27, 2012.
We're scared
full custom ASIC is great!!!!! You would invest probably more than whole BTC worth then if you would go with say 45-nm!!!! You are serious player I think this is the time, when security of SHA256 for block-chain generation should be .... IMPROVED But let's go step by step First deliver mini-rigs with nice performance and cost, then ASIC, then do buy-in, and then everything would be secure, under NDA of course Or 
? Will you start again taking money for future product with "variable" performance ? 
Let me first say that I deeply respect the work you've done. I really mean that. It's spectacular and we're deeply impressed. So believe me when I say that we take no pleasure in undermining your plans.
As you know, you've only announced yourself within the last week or so while we've been working on our full product range in public view for 10 months. The SC product plan and it's timing has been illustrated on our product lineup page that full time.
We started out under attack from similar comments like yours above... it's deja vu. I think your first post was met with similar sarcasm. That's just how it is. You've got to take your lumps in the public forum. Even the good Ngzhang once publicly accused us of being a scam product. In sum, we've seen all this before and we're past it. We've since shipped a quantity of product into the field that would surprise most people. So if you want to cast doubt, go right ahead. Honestly, we expect nothing less.
I would hope that at some point the hostility becomes unnecessary.
Best regards,
BFL
Now, for what I discovered, but first a couple more quotes to drive the point home.
Q. Are you going to stop being such a jerk on the forums to some people?
A. Maybe. It depends. Actually, yes. As a pool operator and an independent individual I have far more latitude and freedom to express my displeasure with some of the more intense stupidity that can be encountered on the internet. As a representative of a company, I am, unfortunately, a bit more constrained from explaining to various people exactly why they are idiots. As such, I will likely be ignoring a lot of the more of the ludicrous posts than I have before. To those of you who enjoyed reading my rants, I am sorry that they will be far fewer and betweener.
When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?
Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report.
With the bump in power requirements on the MR and the new screen, we had to make changes, although the new screen is already certified. We are doing all the devices at once, since they all share the same board.
I quoted posts by users BFL, BFL_Sonny, Inaba (Josh) and BFL_Josh. What's the common denominator with them all? The majority of the time they all put an extra space when starting a new sentence.
I'll leave it to others to show/prove that the writing styles of BFL and Josh are similar.
I just thought of one more before I was about to post this: http://redstarmining.blogspot.com/2012_03_01_archive.html
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Reply from BFL about our purchase
I just got a reply from BFL -
On 5 March 2012 18:27, BFLabs <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Matthew,
Please excuse the delay in confirming your order. We have been focusing on production over new customer inquiry and are just now catching up. Your PayPal payment has been received in full and your BitForce SHA256 Single is secure. Your date of purchase is 02/24/2012. I will keep you informed as to the expected delivery date of your order.
Thanks again for your interest in our product.
Kind regards,
Sonny K
I just got a reply from BFL -
On 5 March 2012 18:27, BFLabs <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Matthew,
Please excuse the delay in confirming your order. We have been focusing on production over new customer inquiry and are just now catching up. Your PayPal payment has been received in full and your BitForce SHA256 Single is secure. Your date of purchase is 02/24/2012. I will keep you informed as to the expected delivery date of your order.
Thanks again for your interest in our product.
Kind regards,
Sonny K
Note the extra space at the beginning of the sentence(s).
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Hi *****,
We have begun shipping of the product. However, the lead time on new orders is 4-6 weeks from the date of purchase. Now that we're underway with production, this could be much faster but it's best to assume 4-6 weeks when making a purchase decision.
Kind regards,
Sonny K
BF Labs Inc.
We have begun shipping of the product. However, the lead time on new orders is 4-6 weeks from the date of purchase. Now that we're underway with production, this could be much faster but it's best to assume 4-6 weeks when making a purchase decision.
Kind regards,
Sonny K
BF Labs Inc.
Interesting catch PG.
When is the 1 year anniversary for the first announcement of BFL ASICs?
Ain't this special! You never guess what I discovered while seeking to answer your question, revealed at the end of the following quote. Unless another confirmed date is presented, I'm guessing May 27, 2012.
We're scared
full custom ASIC is great!!!!! You would invest probably more than whole BTC worth then if you would go with say 45-nm!!!! You are serious player I think this is the time, when security of SHA256 for block-chain generation should be .... IMPROVED But let's go step by step First deliver mini-rigs with nice performance and cost, then ASIC, then do buy-in, and then everything would be secure, under NDA of course Or ? Will you start again taking money for future product with "variable" performance ? Let me first say that I deeply respect the work you've done. I really mean that. It's spectacular and we're deeply impressed. So believe me when I say that we take no pleasure in undermining your plans.
As you know, you've only announced yourself within the last week or so while we've been working on our full product range in public view for 10 months. The SC product plan and it's timing has been illustrated on our product lineup page that full time.
We started out under attack from similar comments like yours above... it's deja vu. I think your first post was met with similar sarcasm. That's just how it is. You've got to take your lumps in the public forum. Even the good Ngzhang once publicly accused us of being a scam product. In sum, we've seen all this before and we're past it. We've since shipped a quantity of product into the field that would surprise most people. So if you want to cast doubt, go right ahead. Honestly, we expect nothing less.
I would hope that at some point the hostility becomes unnecessary.
Best regards,
BFL
Now, for what I discovered, but first a couple more quotes to drive the point home.
Q. Are you going to stop being such a jerk on the forums to some people?
A. Maybe. It depends. Actually, yes. As a pool operator and an independent individual I have far more latitude and freedom to express my displeasure with some of the more intense stupidity that can be encountered on the internet. As a representative of a company, I am, unfortunately, a bit more constrained from explaining to various people exactly why they are idiots. As such, I will likely be ignoring a lot of the more of the ludicrous posts than I have before. To those of you who enjoyed reading my rants, I am sorry that they will be far fewer and betweener.
When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?
Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report.
With the bump in power requirements on the MR and the new screen, we had to make changes, although the new screen is already certified. We are doing all the devices at once, since they all share the same board.
I quoted posts by users BFL, BFL_Sonny, Inaba (Josh) and BFL_Josh. What's the common denominator with them all? The majority of the time they all put an extra space when starting a new sentence.
I'll leave it to others to show/prove that the writing styles of BFL and Josh are similar.
I just thought of one more before I was about to post this: http://redstarmining.blogspot.com/2012_03_01_archive.html
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Reply from BFL about our purchase
I just got a reply from BFL -
On 5 March 2012 18:27, BFLabs <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Matthew,
Please excuse the delay in confirming your order. We have been focusing on production over new customer inquiry and are just now catching up. Your PayPal payment has been received in full and your BitForce SHA256 Single is secure. Your date of purchase is 02/24/2012. I will keep you informed as to the expected delivery date of your order.
Thanks again for your interest in our product.
Kind regards,
Sonny K
I just got a reply from BFL -
On 5 March 2012 18:27, BFLabs <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Matthew,
Please excuse the delay in confirming your order. We have been focusing on production over new customer inquiry and are just now catching up. Your PayPal payment has been received in full and your BitForce SHA256 Single is secure. Your date of purchase is 02/24/2012. I will keep you informed as to the expected delivery date of your order.
Thanks again for your interest in our product.
Kind regards,
Sonny K
Note the extra space at the beginning of the sentence(s).
Quote
Hi *****,
We have begun shipping of the product. However, the lead time on new orders is 4-6 weeks from the date of purchase. Now that we're underway with production, this could be much faster but it's best to assume 4-6 weeks when making a purchase decision.
Kind regards,
Sonny K
BF Labs Inc.
We have begun shipping of the product. However, the lead time on new orders is 4-6 weeks from the date of purchase. Now that we're underway with production, this could be much faster but it's best to assume 4-6 weeks when making a purchase decision.
Kind regards,
Sonny K
BF Labs Inc.
When is the 1 year anniversary for the first announcement of BFL ASICs?
Middle of June about?
When is the 1 year anniversary for the first announcement of BFL ASICs?
Courtesy of: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/2661-received-mildly-rude-call-bfl.html
Posted by JunkieXL:
Posted by JunkieXL:
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I couldn't reply...it was a voicemail.
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What I have taken from this whole experience has been extreme disappointment. When the second generation of ASIC comes out, I think I'll be going to a competitor unless there is an awesome upgrade plan of some kind.
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What I have taken from this whole experience has been extreme disappointment. When the second generation of ASIC comes out, I think I'll be going to a competitor unless there is an awesome upgrade plan of some kind.
Jesus lord-a-mercy! Can you say 'glutton for punishment?'
Courtesy of: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/2661-received-mildly-rude-call-bfl.html
Posted by JunkieXL:
Posted by JunkieXL:
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I couldn't reply...it was a voicemail.
I sort of feel powerless now and that BFL has me by the balls. The call I received over the weekend (won't say who it was) but you can tell they are at their wits end and they just don't care. This person was responding to my e-mails. Basically it was to ask me to stop asking questions because they have a plethora of e-mails to answer.
I was being accused of asking the same questions...might have had me confused with someone else. Long story short, the questions I ask they have no info for right now and that I should just wait until more info becomes available.
Fair enough but the rudeness in this reply made me realize how little they care about customers now. I wish I could say that was all there was to the reply, but it got worse. It went on to further add how I'm not the highest paying customer...as if to say I don't matter as much as others. Words were attempted to be used carefully but it was a train wreck of a voicemail that exposed how they truly feel. I won't say what this person was replying to, but it was an olive branch statement I made which is why the rudeness surprised me. I was considering buying more and asked them a few things.
I think because my rigs cost them a lot more in hardware costs to manufacture now due to the power consumption screw up estimates...it felt like an attempt to make me want to cancel and I feel they would be very happy if I did.
This post probably doesn't have much purpose as I'm being cryptic to protect who it was that called me. I don't want to start a shit storm. I'm just curious if others have been treated similarly? I understand what they are going through. A lot of people are angry and there are a ton of flames to fan. I'm just a bit surprised.
What I have taken from this whole experience has been extreme disappointment. When the second generation of ASIC comes out, I think I'll be going to a competitor unless there is an awesome upgrade plan of some kind.
I sort of feel powerless now and that BFL has me by the balls. The call I received over the weekend (won't say who it was) but you can tell they are at their wits end and they just don't care. This person was responding to my e-mails. Basically it was to ask me to stop asking questions because they have a plethora of e-mails to answer.
I was being accused of asking the same questions...might have had me confused with someone else. Long story short, the questions I ask they have no info for right now and that I should just wait until more info becomes available.
Fair enough but the rudeness in this reply made me realize how little they care about customers now. I wish I could say that was all there was to the reply, but it got worse. It went on to further add how I'm not the highest paying customer...as if to say I don't matter as much as others. Words were attempted to be used carefully but it was a train wreck of a voicemail that exposed how they truly feel. I won't say what this person was replying to, but it was an olive branch statement I made which is why the rudeness surprised me. I was considering buying more and asked them a few things.
I think because my rigs cost them a lot more in hardware costs to manufacture now due to the power consumption screw up estimates...it felt like an attempt to make me want to cancel and I feel they would be very happy if I did.
This post probably doesn't have much purpose as I'm being cryptic to protect who it was that called me. I don't want to start a shit storm. I'm just curious if others have been treated similarly? I understand what they are going through. A lot of people are angry and there are a ton of flames to fan. I'm just a bit surprised.
What I have taken from this whole experience has been extreme disappointment. When the second generation of ASIC comes out, I think I'll be going to a competitor unless there is an awesome upgrade plan of some kind.
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