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Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 11:02:03 AM

The first implementation should be credited if you want to be honest.

They claimed they weren't even aware of it as they were focused on developing their own seg witness from the work that was developed back in 2011.
Firstly, not giving credit due to other open source projects is not an example of dishonesty. Secondly, not being aware of other implementations code would make such an endeavor impossible.

You assume bad faith without evidence.

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Quote from: hdbuck on December 07, 2015, 11:05:03 AM

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Quote from: BitUsher on December 07, 2015, 10:39:46 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 10:15:29 AM

Yes, and the market will decide which fork is the best fork.

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/gold-collapsing-bitcoin-up.16/page-145#post-4899

Ok, great ... I'm happy there are multiple proposals and multiple implementations and people can vote by choosing their favorite.
Why the offtopic attacks on blockstream or Wuille? Wouldn't it be healthier to present your case, develop your repository and perform tests?

The first implementation should be credited if you want to be honest. And yes, Bitcoin Unlimited, my favorite implementation is developing, testing and everything it needs to be my favorite implementation.

bwahahaha

Bitcoin Unlimited is so out there and irrelevant even Mr. Political Correctness himself Mr. Jeff Garzik didn't bother mentioning it in his review of existing block size related BIP proposals.

BU's existence is not even acknowledged by the developer community and only "exists" in the sense that a marginal cargo cult confined within an obscure forum on the internet pretends it is actually something.

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Quote from: hdbuck on December 07, 2015, 11:05:03 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 11:02:03 AM

Quote from: BitUsher on December 07, 2015, 10:39:46 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 10:15:29 AM

Yes, and the market will decide which fork is the best fork.

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/gold-collapsing-bitcoin-up.16/page-145#post-4899

Ok, great ... I'm happy there are multiple proposals and multiple implementations and people can vote by choosing their favorite.
Why the offtopic attacks on blockstream or Wuille? Wouldn't it be healthier to present your case, develop your repository and perform tests?

The first implementation should be credited if you want to be honest. And yes, Bitcoin Unlimited, my favorite implementation is developing, testing and everything it needs to be my favorite implementation.

bwahahaha

Dear hdbuck, how do you feel watching your beloved 1MB slowly disappearing? Is it a traumatic experience?

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Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 11:02:03 AM

Quote from: BitUsher on December 07, 2015, 10:39:46 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 10:15:29 AM

Yes, and the market will decide which fork is the best fork.

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/gold-collapsing-bitcoin-up.16/page-145#post-4899

Ok, great ... I'm happy there are multiple proposals and multiple implementations and people can vote by choosing their favorite.
Why the offtopic attacks on blockstream or Wuille? Wouldn't it be healthier to present your case, develop your repository and perform tests?

The first implementation should be credited if you want to be honest. And yes, Bitcoin Unlimited, my favorite implementation is developing, testing and everything it needs to be my favorite implementation.

bwahahaha

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Quote from: BitUsher on December 07, 2015, 10:39:46 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 10:15:29 AM

Yes, and the market will decide which fork is the best fork.

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/gold-collapsing-bitcoin-up.16/page-145#post-4899

Ok, great ... I'm happy there are multiple proposals and multiple implementations and people can vote by choosing their favorite.
Why the offtopic attacks on blockstream or Wuille? Wouldn't it be healthier to present your case, develop your repository and perform tests?

The first implementation should be credited if you want to be honest. And yes, Bitcoin Unlimited, my favorite implementation is developing, testing and everything it needs to be my favorite implementation.

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Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 10:15:29 AM

Yes, and the market will decide which fork is the best fork.

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/gold-collapsing-bitcoin-up.16/page-145#post-4899

Ok, great ... I'm happy there are multiple proposals and multiple implementations and people can vote by choosing their favorite.
Why the offtopic attacks on blockstream or Wuille? Wouldn't it be healthier to present your case, develop your repository and perform tests?

The only appropriate time to be critical of a proposal is for specific and technical objections and not petty matters like some alt developed code similar to what has been discussed for years. You are too emotionally involved and not focused on coming to a rough consensus that is best for bitcoin.

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Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 10:15:29 AM

Quote from: BitUsher on December 07, 2015, 10:05:36 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 10:02:47 AM

No, I knew what will come:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162684.msg12955016;topicseen#msg12955016

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 09:58:17 AM

My prediction came true. The pressures of the marketplace force them to raise the block capacity. The business model of an artificial fee market (which you are cheerleading) is officially REKT anyway. Means: dead. Which is great.

All I care about is bitcoin moving forward with the best solutions decided upon by a rough consensus. I am happy that Hearn and Gavin forced the issue to come to head , and ecstatic that luke-jr and sipa came up with better solutions which were partially motivated through there hand being forced at the threat of a fork.

Yes, and the market will decide which fork is the best fork.

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/gold-collapsing-bitcoin-up.16/page-145#post-4899

lel bitco.in forum is surely the place to be for market makers.

keep the jokes coming zara, you are very funny. ^^

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Quote from: BitUsher on December 07, 2015, 10:05:36 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 10:02:47 AM

No, I knew what will come:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162684.msg12955016;topicseen#msg12955016

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 09:58:17 AM

My prediction came true. The pressures of the marketplace force them to raise the block capacity. The business model of an artificial fee market (which you are cheerleading) is officially REKT anyway. Means: dead. Which is great.

All I care about is bitcoin moving forward with the best solutions decided upon by a rough consensus. I am happy that Hearn and Gavin forced the issue to come to head , and ecstatic that luke-jr and sipa came up with better solutions which were partially motivated through there hand being forced at the threat of a fork.

Yes, and the market will decide which fork is the best fork.

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/gold-collapsing-bitcoin-up.16/page-145#post-4899

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Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 10:02:47 AM

No, I knew what will come:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162684.msg12955016;topicseen#msg12955016

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 09:58:17 AM

My prediction came true. The pressures of the marketplace force them to raise the block capacity. The business model of an artificial fee market (which you are cheerleading) is officially REKT anyway. Means: dead. Which is great.

There were only a couple devs that wanted to keep the 1MB limit , most were in favor of raising it from my recollection, albeit not as aggressive as BIP101. What does any of this matter though? Do you want a mantle or award ? All I care about is bitcoin moving forward with the best solutions decided upon by a rough consensus. I am happy that Hearn and Gavin forced the issue to come to head , and ecstatic that luke-jr and sipa came up with better solutions which were partially motivated through there hand being forced at the threat of a fork.

Why attack blockstream or Wuille's amazing contributions? Andreas is right, This discussion has become toxic.... In the future we need more conferences and developers getting together to strengthen solidarity early on.

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Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 10:02:47 AM

Quote from: BitUsher on December 07, 2015, 09:59:38 AM

Quote from: brg444 on December 07, 2015, 09:49:33 AM

Don't bother with him.

Most of it is panick from the fact that once again Core prevails and him and his shitty crew is on the verge of being irrelevant (if we pretend they weren't already).

Ohh... I understand, he is bitter and lashing out because he didn't think blockstreem would develop better solutions than BIP 101. I hope he comes around and assumes that everyone has good faith whether they are Gavin or Wuille. This is really petty and we need to get beyond this for the sake of bitcoin.

No, I knew what will come:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162684.msg12955016;topicseen#msg12955016

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Quote from: BitUsher on December 07, 2015, 09:59:38 AM

Quote from: brg444 on December 07, 2015, 09:49:33 AM

Don't bother with him.

Most of it is panick from the fact that once again Core prevails and him and his shitty crew is on the verge of being irrelevant (if we pretend they weren't already).

Ohh... I understand, he is bitter and lashing out because he didn't think blockstreem would develop better solutions than BIP 101. I hope he comes around and assumes that everyone has good faith whether they are Gavin or Wuille. This is really petty and we need to get beyond this for the sake of bitcoin.

No, I knew what will come:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162684.msg12955016;topicseen#msg12955016

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Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 09:58:17 AM

My prediction came true. The pressures of the marketplace force them to raise the block capacity. The business model of an artificial fee market (which you are cheerleading) is officially REKT anyway. Means: dead. Which is great.

Moral victories is for minor league coaches - Jay-Z

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Quote from: brg444 on December 07, 2015, 09:49:33 AM

Don't bother with him.

Most of it is panick from the fact that once again Core prevails and him and his shitty crew is on the verge of being irrelevant (if we pretend they weren't already).

Ohh... I understand, he is bitter and lashing out because he didn't think blockstreem would develop better solutions than BIP 101. I hope he comes around and assumes that everyone has good faith whether they are Gavin or Wuille. This is really petty and we need to get beyond this for the sake of bitcoin.

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Quote from: brg444 on December 07, 2015, 09:53:49 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 09:50:40 AM

Quote from: brg444 on December 07, 2015, 09:40:48 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 09:34:37 AM

Quote from: BitUsher on December 07, 2015, 09:24:28 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 05:47:17 AM

The original implementation of segregated witness was also CryptoNote coins, as I mention here. Wuille's presentation fails to credit this alternative cryptocurrency at all (as did the Elements sidechains presentations/implementation/notes). Ironically the second time a major Bitcoin soft fork has come from an alt.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3vqkat/segregated_witness_allows_us_to_soft_fork_a_block/cxptr9e

Offtopic? Why does CryptoNote need to be mentioned here or the presentation?

Because ...

The original implementation of segregated witness was also CryptoNote coins, as I mention here. Wuille's presentation fails to credit this alternative cryptocurrency at all (as did the Elements sidechains presentations/implementation/notes). Ironically the second time a major Bitcoin soft fork has come from an alt.

Are you panicking yet?

Why? My prediction came true.

Why?

My prediction came true. The pressures of the marketplace force them to raise the block capacity. The business model of an artificial fee market (which you are cheerleading) is officially REKT anyway. Means: dead. Which is great.

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Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 09:50:40 AM

Quote from: brg444 on December 07, 2015, 09:40:48 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 09:34:37 AM

Quote from: BitUsher on December 07, 2015, 09:24:28 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 05:47:17 AM

The original implementation of segregated witness was also CryptoNote coins, as I mention here. Wuille's presentation fails to credit this alternative cryptocurrency at all (as did the Elements sidechains presentations/implementation/notes). Ironically the second time a major Bitcoin soft fork has come from an alt.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3vqkat/segregated_witness_allows_us_to_soft_fork_a_block/cxptr9e

Offtopic? Why does CryptoNote need to be mentioned here or the presentation?

Because ...

The original implementation of segregated witness was also CryptoNote coins, as I mention here. Wuille's presentation fails to credit this alternative cryptocurrency at all (as did the Elements sidechains presentations/implementation/notes). Ironically the second time a major Bitcoin soft fork has come from an alt.

Are you panicking yet?

Why? My prediction came true.

Why? Because Core prevails and your shitty attempt at a governance coup failed.

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Quote from: brg444 on December 07, 2015, 09:40:48 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 09:34:37 AM

Quote from: BitUsher on December 07, 2015, 09:24:28 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 05:47:17 AM

The original implementation of segregated witness was also CryptoNote coins, as I mention here. Wuille's presentation fails to credit this alternative cryptocurrency at all (as did the Elements sidechains presentations/implementation/notes). Ironically the second time a major Bitcoin soft fork has come from an alt.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3vqkat/segregated_witness_allows_us_to_soft_fork_a_block/cxptr9e

Offtopic? Why does CryptoNote need to be mentioned here or the presentation?

Because ...

The original implementation of segregated witness was also CryptoNote coins, as I mention here. Wuille's presentation fails to credit this alternative cryptocurrency at all (as did the Elements sidechains presentations/implementation/notes). Ironically the second time a major Bitcoin soft fork has come from an alt.

Are you panicking yet?

Why? My prediction came true. The pressures of the marketplace force them to raise the block capacity. The business model of an artificial fee market (which you are cheerleading) is officially REKT anyway.
The stalemate could go on for some months, but the market will enforce a decision.

u/hugolp 2 points an hour ago

and a way to really annoy /u/mike_hearn with a really humungous soft fork.

Is this just a joke or would it really annoy him? If so why?

u/edmundedgar 3 points an hour ago

For a long time he's been making an argument - I think correctly FWIW - that hard forks should be preferred over soft forks. Soft forks are a nasty hack where old nodes are tricked into thinking they're validating transactions, but really they're not because the rules have changed in some way they're not aware of.

This is a huge monster soft fork where by old nodes are completely unaware that the signatures they need to validate even exist.

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Quote from: BitUsher on December 07, 2015, 09:45:20 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 09:34:37 AM

Because ...

The original implementation of segregated witness was also CryptoNote coins, as I mention here. Wuille's presentation fails to credit this alternative cryptocurrency at all (as did the Elements sidechains presentations/implementation/notes). Ironically the second time a major Bitcoin soft fork has come from an alt.

If the ideas didn't come from Cryptonote developers(In fact cryptonote developers took the ideas from the bitcoin community) and none of the code was borrowed or forked from Cryptonote than what is the point? It is quite possible that the blocksteam devs weren't even aware of Cryptonote seg witness and were simply carrying on with developing what was being discussed since 2011 in the bitcoin community.

Even if the ideas were taken ... what is the point? This is open source... why are you bitter? Are you a cryptonote pumper?

Don't bother with him.

Most of it is panic from the fact that once again Core prevails and him and his shitty crew is on the verge of being irrelevant (if we pretend they weren't already).

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Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 09:34:37 AM

Because ...

The original implementation of segregated witness was also CryptoNote coins, as I mention here. Wuille's presentation fails to credit this alternative cryptocurrency at all (as did the Elements sidechains presentations/implementation/notes). Ironically the second time a major Bitcoin soft fork has come from an alt.

If the ideas didn't come from Cryptonote developers(In fact cryptonote developers took the ideas from the bitcoin community) and none of the code was borrowed or forked from Cryptonote than what is the point? It is quite possible that the blocksteam devs weren't even aware of Cryptonote seg witness and were simply carrying on with developing what was being discussed since 2011 in the bitcoin community.

Even if the ideas were taken ... what is the point? This is open source... why are you bitter? Are you a cryptonote pumper?

Shouldn't you be happy for bitcoin that Wuille and Luke-jr solved some major problems with bitcoin with an ingenious solution that has been discussed since 2011?

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Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 09:34:37 AM

Quote from: BitUsher on December 07, 2015, 09:24:28 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 05:47:17 AM

The original implementation of segregated witness was also CryptoNote coins, as I mention here. Wuille's presentation fails to credit this alternative cryptocurrency at all (as did the Elements sidechains presentations/implementation/notes). Ironically the second time a major Bitcoin soft fork has come from an alt.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3vqkat/segregated_witness_allows_us_to_soft_fork_a_block/cxptr9e

Offtopic? Why does CryptoNote need to be mentioned here or the presentation?

Because ...

The original implementation of segregated witness was also CryptoNote coins, as I mention here. Wuille's presentation fails to credit this alternative cryptocurrency at all (as did the Elements sidechains presentations/implementation/notes). Ironically the second time a major Bitcoin soft fork has come from an alt.

You seem rather panicked?

Are you panicking yet?

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Quote from: BitUsher on December 07, 2015, 09:24:28 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on December 07, 2015, 05:47:17 AM

The original implementation of segregated witness was also CryptoNote coins, as I mention here. Wuille's presentation fails to credit this alternative cryptocurrency at all (as did the Elements sidechains presentations/implementation/notes). Ironically the second time a major Bitcoin soft fork has come from an alt.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3vqkat/segregated_witness_allows_us_to_soft_fork_a_block/cxptr9e

Offtopic? Why does CryptoNote need to be mentioned here or the presentation?

Because ...

The original implementation of segregated witness was also CryptoNote coins, as I mention here. Wuille's presentation fails to credit this alternative cryptocurrency at all (as did the Elements sidechains presentations/implementation/notes). Ironically the second time a major Bitcoin soft fork has come from an alt.

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