The upside is that people are a little more worried about their privacy, and maybe there will be some limits put on what the government can do before they go as far as to actually do what Snowden was saying.
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It's not exactly nitpicking when the guy lied about everything.
The upside is that people are a little more worried about their privacy, and maybe there will be some limits put on what the government can do before they go as far as to actually do what Snowden was saying.
The upside is that people are a little more worried about their privacy, and maybe there will be some limits put on what the government can do before they go as far as to actually do what Snowden was saying.
If this is the price I have to pay to significantly reduce the chance my legs will be blown off, then so be it.
Oh, so you admit that you're what's wrong with America?
Governments being fascist and evil INCREASES the number of terrorists. But continue to live in your silly dream world where the NSA spying on grandma actually helps to reduce terrorist attacks.
Oh, by the way, asking if someone is 13 is just as much an ad hom as that person calling you a complete idiot. Just thought I'd point that out. Carry on...
(Please, let's all carry on nitpicking about how much money Snowden made and his girlfriend's occupation and how long he worked for the NSA contractor. I think we can tell who in this thread sees the big picture and who has spent too much time watching the evening news.)
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Meh. He doesn't get kudos from me for being a narcissist. Nor does his pole dancing girlfriend.
I have always assumed that the govt could intercept my fone calls etc. I'd laugh if they did. They'd probably be sitting their listening to elevator music while I'm on hold with my company.
If this is the price I have to pay to significantly reduce the chance my legs will be blown off, then so be it. |
I have always assumed that the govt could intercept my fone calls etc. I'd laugh if they did. They'd probably be sitting their listening to elevator music while I'm on hold with my
If this is the price I have to pay to significantly reduce the chance my legs will be blown off, then so be it.
You're a complete idiot if you think it is about reducing the chances of "getting your legs blown off" ... and besides from 20 million to 1 down to 20.1 million to 1 ... worth it?
You don't have to assume they are intercepting your 'fone' calls ... they ARE ... everyone one of them and they are storing them in a massive database for all time. It is not that there is some snivelly little NSA Stasi guy with headphones listenis
LOL, "complete idiot"? Really? Are you 13?
Sorry but I think this whole thing is overblown and in a few months time, this guy's moment in the sun will disappear like a fart in the wind.
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The latest facts show that he wasn't exactly a hero after all...
http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel
http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel
Ummm, the facts are no-one can know the facts about these programs because they have placed themselves "legally" above scrutiny. The tech giants are legally bound to lie about any involvement so you cannot trust them and the secret court rulings on who does what are ... well secrets. The web of deceit is deep and tangled ... believe whatever 'facts' you like I guess.
NSA is not above telling lies
I would say maybe the point is just about the facilitation, the convenience of working through the client-side tool. Instead of making the FEDs work (i.e, send user information on a strictly one per warrant basis, and in a uniform format), the tech companies and ISPs choose to make it comfortable for them, which increases the risk of abuse.
http://www.boozallen.com/media-center/press-releases/48399320/statement-reports-leaked-information-060913
His income was also a lot less than he stated.
His income was also a lot less than he stated.
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The latest facts show that he wasn't exactly a hero after all...
http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel
http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel
Ummm, the facts are no-one can know the facts about these programs because they have placed themselves "legally" above scrutiny. The tech giants are legally bound to lie about any involvement so you cannot trust them and the secret court rulings on who does what are ... well secrets. The web of deceit is deep and tangled ... believe whatever 'facts' you like I guess.
NSA is not above telling lies
We do know that Snowden at least lied about himself. That should say a lot about the rest of it.
Does the NSA always tell the truth?
If, as you say in your post, that Snowden lied, that illustrates the fact that NSA/CIA agents lie and are not to be trusted.
He wasn't even an agent. Just a contractor - and only for 3 months.
i asked you for some evidence. a link perhaps?
yeah, let's make this about the leaker because that really is the issue isn't it ... 
I'm just wondering how a personal transaction-graph built up from all of this intercepted material is NOT a violation of 4th amendment? Doesn't that constitute a search?
I'm just wondering how a personal transaction-graph built up from all of this intercepted material is NOT a violation of 4th amendment? Doesn't that constitute a search?
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The latest facts show that he wasn't exactly a hero after all...
http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel
http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel
Ummm, the facts are no-one can know the facts about these programs because they have placed themselves "legally" above scrutiny. The tech giants are legally bound to lie about any involvement so you cannot trust them and the secret court rulings on who does what are ... well secrets. The web of deceit is deep and tangled ... believe whatever 'facts' you like I guess.
NSA is not above telling lies
We do know that Snowden at least lied about himself. That should say a lot about the rest of it.
Does the NSA always tell the truth?
If, as you say in your post, that Snowden lied, that illustrates the fact that NSA/CIA agents lie and are not to be trusted.
He wasn't even an agent. Just a contractor - and only for 3 months.
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The latest facts show that he wasn't exactly a hero after all...
http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel
http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel
Ummm, the facts are no-one can know the facts about these programs because they have placed themselves "legally" above scrutiny. The tech giants are legally bound to lie about any involvement so you cannot trust them and the secret court rulings on who does what are ... well secrets. The web of deceit is deep and tangled ... believe whatever 'facts' you like I guess.
NSA is not above telling lies
We do know that Snowden at least lied about himself. That should say a lot about the rest of it.
where are the facts of this?
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The latest facts show that he wasn't exactly a hero after all...
http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel
http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel
Ummm, the facts are no-one can know the facts about these programs because they have placed themselves "legally" above scrutiny. The tech giants are legally bound to lie about any involvement so you cannot trust them and the secret court rulings on who does what are ... well secrets. The web of deceit is deep and tangled ... believe whatever 'facts' you like I guess.
NSA is not above telling lies
We do know that Snowden at least lied about himself. That should say a lot about the rest of it.
Does the NSA always tell the truth?
If, as you say in your post, that Snowden lied, that illustrates the fact that NSA/CIA agents lie and are not to be trusted.
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The latest facts show that he wasn't exactly a hero after all...
http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel
http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel
Ummm, the facts are no-one can know the facts about these programs because they have placed themselves "legally" above scrutiny. The tech giants are legally bound to lie about any involvement so you cannot trust them and the secret court rulings on who does what are ... well secrets. The web of deceit is deep and tangled ... believe whatever 'facts' you like I guess.
NSA is not above telling lies
We do know that Snowden at least lied about himself. That should say a lot about the rest of it.
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The latest facts show that he wasn't exactly a hero after all...
http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel
http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel
Ummm, the facts are no-one can know the facts about these programs because they have placed themselves "legally" above scrutiny. The tech giants are legally bound to lie about any involvement so you cannot trust them and the secret court rulings on who does what are ... well secrets. The web of deceit is deep and tangled ... believe whatever 'facts' you like I guess.
NSA is not above telling lies
You're a complete idiot if you think it is about reducing the chances of "getting your legs blown off" ... and besides from 20 million to 1 down to 20.1 million to 1 ... worth it?
You don't have to assume they are intercepting your 'fone' calls ... they ARE ... everyone one of them and they are storing them in a massive database for all time. It is not that there is some snivelly little NSA Stasi guy with headphones listening to your porn calls they just store them all up and data-mine the whole lot of them for when someone decides it is your turn to be gone after ....
You don't have to assume they are intercepting your 'fone' calls ... they ARE ... everyone one of them and they are storing them in a massive database for all time. It is not that there is some snivelly little NSA Stasi guy with headphones listening to your porn calls they just store them all up and data-mine the whole lot of them for when someone decides it is your turn to be gone after ....
+1
Edward Snowden is a modern day hero and deserves support for everyone who wants to preserve basic liberties, democracy and privacy. Do not let them demonise this guy.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance
We just need to snag a BTC address for him
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance
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In footage shot by The Guardian newspaper, Edward Snowden said he packed his bags for Hong Kong three weeks ago, leaving behind a "very comfortable life'' in Hawaii, a salary of $200,000, a girlfriend, a stable career and a loving family.
"I'm willing to sacrifice all of that because I can't in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they're secretly building." Snowden said.
"I'm willing to sacrifice all of that because I can't in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they're secretly building." Snowden said.
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But he believed that the value of the internet, along with basic privacy, is being rapidly destroyed by ubiquitous surveillance. "I don't see myself as a hero," he said, "because what I'm doing is self-interested: I don't want to live in a world where there's no privacy and therefore no room for intellectual exploration and creativity."
Once he reached the conclusion that the NSA's surveillance net would soon be irrevocable, he said it was just a matter of time before he chose to act. "What they're doing" poses "an existential threat to democracy", he said.
Once he reached the conclusion that the NSA's surveillance net would soon be irrevocable, he said it was just a matter of time before he chose to act. "What they're doing" poses "an existential threat to democracy", he said.
We just need to snag a BTC address for him
.The latest facts show that he wasn't exactly a hero after all...
http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel
Smart or not smart, you can't escape from the hands of the USA govt.
Heroes are not afraid of evil regimes. 
NSA surveillance: anger mounts in Congress at 'spying on Americans'
After a closed-door briefing of the House of Representatives, lawmakers call for a review of the Patriot Act.
Europe warns US: you must respect the privacy of our citizens
EU officials demand answers on what data snooping programmes entail and whether they breach human rights.
After a closed-door briefing of the House of Representatives, lawmakers call for a review of the Patriot Act.
Europe warns US: you must respect the privacy of our citizens
EU officials demand answers on what data snooping programmes entail and whether they breach human rights.
This is what makes me sick about politicians. They all knew this was going on, but they are only now pretending to care because of the negative spin in the media.
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Meh. He doesn't get kudos from me for being a narcissist. Nor does his pole dancing girlfriend.
I have always assumed that the govt could intercept my fone calls etc. I'd laugh if they did. They'd probably be sitting their listening to elevator music while I'm on hold with my company.
If this is the price I have to pay to significantly reduce the chance my legs will be blown off, then so be it. |
I have always assumed that the govt could intercept my fone calls etc. I'd laugh if they did. They'd probably be sitting their listening to elevator music while I'm on hold with my
If this is the price I have to pay to significantly reduce the chance my legs will be blown off, then so be it.
You're a complete idiot if you think it is about reducing the chances of "getting your legs blown off" ... and besides from 20 million to 1 down to 20.1 million to 1 ... worth it?
You don't have to assume they are intercepting your 'fone' calls ... they ARE ... everyone one of them and they are storing them in a massive database for all time. It is not that there is some snivelly little NSA Stasi guy with headphones listening to your porn calls they just store them all up and data-mine the whole lot of them for when someone decides it is your turn to be gone after ....
I agree with you.
Anyone who has been reading the news has known that the NSA was monitoring transatlantic communication at the nodes of where the cables come into the US.
Also, the NSA is not looking at the actual content of our communication. They were merely creating a network graph of who talks to whom. Yes, that IS an intrusion, but they were working on the assumption that if you know who someone's friends are, you know who they are. I am interested in Bitcoin because I want to make money, and because I believe that if there is a form of currency that makes trade between individuals and small companies in different countries easier, the world will benefit. Snowden violated his employment agreement. He also screwed his life. He made a very bad investment.
Anyone who has been reading the news has known that the NSA was monitoring transatlantic communication at the nodes of where the cables come into the US.
Also, the NSA is not looking at the actual content of our communication. They were merely creating a network graph of who talks to whom. Yes, that IS an intrusion, but they were working on the assumption that if you know who someone's friends are, you know who they are. I am interested in Bitcoin because I want to make money, and because I believe that if there is a form of currency that makes trade between individuals and small companies in different countries easier, the world will benefit. Snowden violated his employment agreement. He also screwed his life. He made a very bad investment.
I guess I'm the only one that thinks this guy is a nimrod.
He throws away his life, all to tell us the profound news that the US Govt is snooping on our communications.
ROFL
Anyhow, I'll throw in a bitcoin... a bitcoin to whoever catches the rat.
He throws away his life, all to tell us the profound news that the US Govt is snooping on our communications.
ROFL
Anyhow, I'll throw in a bitcoin... a bitcoin to whoever catches the rat.
Did you listen to his interview? He said that he could wiretap anyone at any time from his workstation. Judges, your neighbor, your accountant, even the President. I pay pretty close attention to the news and was not aware of this. Sure we all joke about it being true to an extent, but it's not like there are media outlets regularly informing us of this massive data aggregation. And it is absolutely massive and secret, seeing how all major tech and cellular companies are complicit, yet ordered to deny it when asked.
The man has more courage than most of us here, I can assure you of that.
Meh. He doesn't get kudos from me for being a narcissist. Nor does his pole dancing girlfriend.
I have always assumed that the govt could intercept my fone calls etc. I'd laugh if they did. They'd probably be sitting their listening to elevator music while I'm on hold with my
If this is the price I have to pay to significantly reduce the chance my legs will be blown off, then so be it.
Snowden violated his employment agreement. He also screwed his life. He made a very bad investment.
according to you.
if you see something illegal going on in your workplace, you should report it. that he did.
as far as screwing his life, did you listen to what he said? he's comfortable with the difficult decision he's made. he understands that it will irreversibly alter his life, probably for the worse, but sometimes principles are worth fighting for.
and as far as an investment, that's the wrong way to look at this.
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plus, he put it the context of blatant disregard and hubris from his bosses at NSA. we've got a problem and it's big.
plus, he put it the context of blatant disregard and hubris from his bosses at NSA. we've got a problem and it's big.
With slowly developing scandal of IRS suppression of small government advocacy groups (eg patriot/tea party/etc), the ability for a secret, well funded agency that answers to the Executive Branch to monitor activity to this level is especially troubling.
Essentially, I can be reasonably certain that all of the metadata regarding my household and much of the actual content of activity is sitting in a "protected" database at NSA, just waiting for someone to decide that I am a threat to the government and get a secret warrant to look at it. All of this with out ANY notice to me.
As a US citizen, I find this extremely disturbing since the government that is able to do this should only exist because of the collective agreement of US citizens.
"I'm not in favor of abolishing the government. I just want to shrink it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub." - Grover Norquist
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