Topic: BitCoins for Edward Snowden. - page 17. (Read 30964 times)

People like you are part of the problem, not the solution.

There is a difference between right and wrong ... that is what the Nurenberg trials were about.

Just because you are following orders does not make it right.

Many of the US govt employees are now well outside constitutional law and they know it. So they are using secret courts and kept politicians heading the 'oversight committees' to cover it up. You should also be advocating for putting those people in jail, that is what THEY signed up for, to protect the constitution ... yet you want to persecute the whistleblower? .... wtf kind of person are you?

if you watch the video carefully, its clear he didn't expect the civil rights violations to go as far as they have.

he says he kept questioning superiors but the answers kept getting more obtuse as they went on.  what he finally saw was nowhere near what he expected.

which is why he quit.

"of course the NSA is gathering data?"  of course they are, but all emails, phone calls, texts, browsing habits (pages) of everyone domestic and intl?  c'mon.

Am I the only one that thinks (a) he deserves to be jailed (rightly or wrongly, it's part of the job he signed up for), and (b) of course the NSA is gathering data!

I for one will never assume I have absolute privacy online or anywhere else.

the NSA is going to have a hard time with Snowden.

he talks like one of them.  even given the situation into which he has placed himself, he talks with an air of confidence, arrogance, clarity, and righteousness that will serve him well.

if they touch him, the public will go "WTF?".  jailing him for telling all of us something we've suspected all along that the NSA is wiretapping everyone and their mother?

Exactly.  He also said:
Once you go on the network, I can identify your machine. You will never be safe whatever protections you put in place.

Don't forget gay and suicidal.

Donated to Ron Paul therefore Libertarian / anti-government / terrorist.  It doesn't take much to set the left/right brain paradigm in motion.  You even see it in this thread.  "Bradley Manning was leftist / reckless / disturbed etc."

It will be interesting to see what sort of fiction the government spin doctors create to discredit and demonize him.

You can bet they're working on it now.

Hopefully the video will be viewed far and wide so that everyone can see how level headed the guy is.

+ 1 for honesty and integrity

I can agree with that. He's done his job ...

Manning was different.  he is a troubled young man from what i've read.  he also was indiscriminate in what he released; namely identities of overseas agents/informants which endangered their lives.  

Snowden is clearly no where near in the same category having been entrusted in a top position.  he's a clear thinking young man which comes thru in the video.  he simply has a conscience that American's can identify with and he's highlighting a violation of liberties we're all concerned with.

I am concerned he ends up in the same place as Bradley Manning.

i think the fact that he went PUBLIC and only revealed info that is damning to the NSA concerning blanket invasion of personal privacy laws in this country will save him in the end.

if they prosecute or assassinate someone for something that has clearly outraged the public sphere, and rightfully so, will be asking for trouble by the NSA.

He has stood and faced down the dragon.  We should ask no more of him.  It is on us to hold the dragon down and kill it.  He deserves to ride off into the sunset.

If he was coward maybe.... seems like USA has too many of them and needs brave guys like this to stand up for what they believe in.

"For evil to flourish requires simply that good men do nothing." - Edward Burke

"The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who in time of great moral crises maintain their neutrality." --Aleghieri Dante (1265 - 1321)

"In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up." --Martin Niemoeller, German Lutheran Pastor

“One man scorned and covered with scars still strove with his last ounce of courage to reach the unreachable stars; and the world was better for this.”

I think that maybe it is better to fight the windmills rather than submit to the darkness.

"Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught." -- J.C. Watts, Oklahoma Congressman

The reason Snowden is a hero, and not some anonymous dead guy in a chinese river is that HE WENT PUBLIC.

Privacy is a nice thing to have, but the real changes and protections of individuals from government power are the individuals willing to go public, at personal risk, with information that their conscience tells them they are wrong to hide. (Now that being said, it's probably MUCH safer to go public than to try to be anonymous, and if you've worked at one of these places, you'd probably know that)

In the meantime, I think the best course of action would be go to https://supporters.eff.org/donate and hit the 'pay with bitcoin' button, and then tell all your friends.

(And then add this copyright message, with your name, to any messages you send)

This message copyright 2013 Troy Benjegerdes. Any duplication, by any means, including in-memory temporary copies made by monitoring hardware, by contractors of any state surveillance agency is a violation of the US federal and international Copyright law, and subject to a $2,000,000 per incident fee. Whistleblowers reporting violations will be entitled to 75% of damages recovered from said violations.

Guy is running from NSA.  He would be better served to go totally off grid.

He can be anonymous as he likes using bitcoins, if he knows what he is doing. Something tells me this guy could keep his bitcoin activity entirely anonymous if he chooses. TOR sticker on his laptop is a good clue.

have you ever heard of Tor?  no ip address there.  or he could just use a Starbucks cafe.

the alpaca socks example was more an example that Snowden won't be necessarily using BTC for "money laundering" or illegal activities.  he'll be using them for normal everyday living activities.

if he stays in HK, there are probably many local vendors who will accept BTC for food and living expenses.  or just plain localbitcoin exchange to fiat.  that will probably apply to any place he might go into hiding as well.

The spend will have an IP address associated with it.  The alpaca sock vendor will be located somewhere and have shipping records of who bought what and how the goods were delivered.

You want to send him money, it is less trackable to mail him fiat.

what are you talking about? 

if he posts an address and ppl send him coins, so what?  since when is that illegal?  and since when would that reveal an ip address?

any spending out of his address would be unknown as to its purposes or usage since you wouldn't know the identity of anyone associated with those receiving addresses.  he could buy alpaca socks for all you know.