Topic: Bitcointalk Charity and its funds - page 2. (Read 4933 times)

I apologize for not having a response in quite while. As I mentioned on my earlier reply, my place was hit and affected with the super typhoon, due to this I've been struggling connecting online with rotational b/out here as the main source of electricity was hit pretty hard in the center part of the country, can't do the spreadsheet and not available to upload images for tx proofs.

As crwth posted all his activities, kindly check my tracks as well, start on january this year,  spreadsheet link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_8z6U0jrM73gfCczQGNzOtyUUSNL2dus4kvQTpCHdtA/edit#gid=788997071.
The meals/snack might be vague coz I really forget the specifics of the amount as most of these don't have receipts given, I just round off as what I remember the amount is.

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This were the time where funds sent to crwth and cabalism, check (tx below). Also, check the track records of crwth on his spreadsheet posted earlier.


To cabalism - https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/917fc3c5eaf5154dae2e79477b0496dad4750238ff242474681bef5e544ddb92 and https://etherscan.io/tx/0x16a2883d0c1fb8971a296c82934b8943454f46f00114fe026e94530bbdc6f861
To crwth is an internal transfer on binance.

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Activity: 02-24-21:
Funds used: 168,392 PHP
Conversion & Withdrawal:


Recovered receipts:





Activity: 12-05-21, 12-12-21, 12-19-21
Funds used: 88320 PHP
Conversion & Withdrawal:

This is the outgoing tx to binance, TXID.


Withdrawal/conversion

Recovered receipts:




Unfortunately, this is the only I recovered as this kind of paper dont fade away easily unlike thermal papers used by grocery stores.

Total fund used on all activities, 256, 712 PHP or around 5523.15 USD/T

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As for the comparison of number of funds received for the activities, I guess I received the less compared crwth and cabalism considering I only held 1 activity before 2021, and funds were sent for almost the same amount for the 3 of us in january 2021, check my sheet and crwth sheet.

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While the way of me handling of charity funds is in questioned, I totally admit that this is my first time handling charity funds and the process may poorly processed and amateurly done but that's the basic way I think it could work for. I mean, they will tell me what activity they were trying to do, where, when, the estimate cost, then that's it, lately I will send the funds as agreed.

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Others:
For the alts issue, sorry they/were not.

For the question of me having a loan to cabalism, it was used for a business related as described on the trust page reference, not for personal use.

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I hope that cabalism do list his previous tracks as well, as he made an activity recently. Again, I apologize and I admit that this charity/activity was done poorly esp. showing the receipts, transparency, but hear me out, all the donated funds were used to help others and all posted activities are all happened.
The main purpose of those people involved is to help. If you can observe I only do activities when there's a calamity whether a typhoon hits, flash floods, etc. near me. I volunteered coz I feel it is important to help others esp. those who in need.
As this may end as still doubtful, I hope this good deeds will still continue (of helping people) even in little ways.

Thank you! Happy holidays and wishing you all a happy, healthy and prosperous new year!

You are right. I have presented the amount in my spreadsheet & the total sum is $40,943 at the time of the move.

Again, the amount which has been spent earlier isn't considered as a part of the scam since there were few updates on the thread. If we consider that, this is the total amount in question according to my understanding which has been presented in the post & spreadsheet.

@off-topic responses- Can we have another thread to have that off-topic discussion?

Please accept my apologies for derailing the discussion; I simply want to clarify some things with @Timelord2067.

As far as I know, I have removed TYM and Silent26 on week 77 and 106 respectively. The reason being is TYM committed a loan default not only on @DireWolfM14 but also to me^[1][2].

Furthermore, I continue to trust crwth and finaleshot to this day since I believe they are 2 different people who are not alts of a notorious scammer in the Philippine Section. Those are also the same people who assisted me when get started in cryptocurrency journey particularly in this forum. Reading the entire thread in which cabalism13 is implicated in the mishandling of charity funds is particularly surprising and is something I did not expect.

[1] https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54061366
[2] https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54104002

Again sorry for derailing the topic 

One of Best_Change campaign rules is that participant will be removed without payment if he gets negative feedback during his stay in their campaign.
It does say he left campaign himself, but it's possible that manager saw negative feedback on his profile and removed him.
I am not sure who exactly is managing Best_Change campaign and counting posts, but they can clarify this for us.

I am sure that he received many notifications from people who mentioned his username, but it's sure not a good sign to see him being away and not logged in for nine days.
The way things are going now, I doubt we are going to see this two back again, and at very least nobody will ever trust them again.

Indeed, he could have been notified for using his name and he could have been seeing this thread without logging in, after all. So the last login date can very well mean nothing.

If he's followed this thread without logging in, he's well aware of the flag and the tags.

It's worth noting that bL4nkcode was last online on December 21, while the Flag and negative feedback started on December 22. That means he hasn't seen it by himself on his own account, unless he used an alt.

Some days after this thread was created I PMed Best_Change to let him know about the matter. He would probably have seen it anyway but I thought it was my duty. So he is well aware of what's happened. I'm not sure wether bl4nkcode contacted him to say he was leaving the campaign or what, but yeah, I don't think he's going to come here to defend his case.

I was just curious to see if BestChange (Best_Change) still kept bL4nkcode, cabalism13 and crwth. I thought all three were in BestChange campaign then found out cabalism13 was never there. With crwth there should not be any problem after all these but with bL4nkcode there is an interesting finding.

bL4nkcode Left the campaign!

Assuming BestChange gave a wrong reason as they kicked him out which is obvious, no one would like someone with red paint for scamming but if bL4nkcode indeed asked to leave then we are pretty confirmed that bL4nkcode is not coming here to defend the case which means he is fine with the accusation against him which should give us a clear indication that he indeed had this intention to scam the fund with cabalism13. The small part which sent to crwth was just to show that the charity was still alive more like a part of the plan.

I had intended to make that my last post here, however, with your indulgence, I would like to point out a deep flaw in @Poker Player's Trolling of me here.

But first, this is what I wrote on their Trust Feedback page.  It carries *neutral* weight.  Likewise, I have never dispensed preemptive, nore retaliatory DT Trust against Poker Player.

I wrote:


Look at the whole post in one reduced go - no mention of Poker Player.

That can only mean I do not consider Poker Player connected to either of the two listed in my post.

Therefore, when Poker Player tells you that I consider Poker Player to have alts, Poker Player knows that to be not true.  i.e. a lie.  Poker Player is lying to you and Trolling me.

How naim027 can also be under that same misunderstanding makes you wonder - doesn't it? [link 1][link 2]

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For those of you who did not follow the links in this quote, allow me to quote the relevant section:


Again, when PP says I consider these users to be alts, Poker Player knows this to be not true.

A lie.

Poker Player is Trolling you with what they know to be a lie about me and what I have said.

How do we know this:

Simple.

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That's correct.  My distrust of crewth is preemptive DT distrust as I and others have preemptively distrusted both cabalism13 and bl4nkcode in the last week.

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I see @theymos has been online in the last six hours.

Just add up from 1CHAriTyyuCzLdXshSDVohyjgxTxW9Bhx:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/d865320664274afac20bd6a9f9d6c9292542669941f1652315c1f2e5f0f6c9fe 485.19 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/fd3785d343acc814bca7a7e5b351d5f63cdf02d78860db3fdb8f0c25b0b1bf99 18,308.30 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/10c50da072ab0f1dce6319f2c7cd5e1363286ce3b4910e42c2fbb1209482ec3f 4,063.08 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/3d6c06cacd715eefe38fa287ad322c5ebfa269903cc223067554d83621f4fa56 548.50 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/3fef34bdbf9dd646b7e29bd927c28d79a80662293184cbedb92ceafd56c7f5a3 242.75 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/7eece40317b1b892e37589e2a4cd3e6facd19c43e01591f7de4645565c4a5d80 1,763.68 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/149ccc659a016df98e52c8fab7058ba5244f4b1e5b363ff49d3e2cb0792bc78d 1,763.68 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/dbf8ddc85aef5ae42548298151f8ceb929699178eaefd318c4981c50973a48ba 768.18 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/aec0e245ed26b749ddb476e6aac7fb1738788bef9c70871ecd074ab1376390fc 4,436.59 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/cac4a43bec672a43cfd2e8264828e326f3f88599bd15cc2f020d29f7847b798b 1,465.20 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/2c006055c2f474d6da3427f53282d900ee08190d6b012ac900abdde68a30a2cb 2,413.74 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/9e39e0b829668914933295c9c979078da33da4865cd64bddf2bc404e0b6349a7 2,821.29 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/319b639e5e5ede18f21b602ee22c206e420ba5b222448ba79a6a59c5253d5ade 1,431.90 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/337886aa1e55c55e0cfe2aa3a1295118a1dee0bd0054d5bc721426e1671bb91e 337.86 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/32a36423bec5c49f5768764ea5faea4138679e975a0769eb7d264caf5f781a87 39.43 USD
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/cf6fc731af33fc79837c9c8d901ff580b1aa755d2ab296d86cc5070d1501db4b 59.14 USD
Without double checking the numbers (I may have missed a transaction), it adds up to 40,948.51 USD based on Blockchair's USD estimate at the time funds were moved from the escrow address.

We should always be very sceptical and overly scrutinise these sorts of charities as we are with things like new escrows as this stuff can easily happen and once people have money in their sole possession it's easy to get greedy especially when it's potentially a life changing amount. It's always easy to fake your 'charity' work as well. Anyone can fake some receipts or even buy a van full of food and supplies and take a couple of pictures giving a couple of bags to people and then just pocket the rest. You could even just return most of the stuff you bought once you've got some pictures of it etc. Without any sort of checks and balances the money can go anywhere. I remember a few years back there was a trend of fake giveaways/"charity" work on YouTube. Film yourself giving money or goods to some homeless people and then when the cameras are off they were just taking it back and only letting them keep a very small fraction of it.


I don't think the thread should be locked until the issue is resolved. I looked over the thread yesterday and the pictures of the 'charity' work that was posted could've probably cost them less than $1000 in total. You could probably fill up a couple of vans full of cheap food, water and basic supplies in the UK or US for that and I imagine that stuff is a fraction of the price in the Philippines. Unfortunately if they can't really provide any evidence of where the money is gone I think greed probably got to them. Does anyone have an idea of how much the money was worth when it was moved from the escrow? I keep seeing figures of 1 and 2 bitcoins and if that was moved at the all time high then it could be a lot of money.

I hate to believe that but so far none of them tried to prove our speculation wrong which made me think as well they successfully did a scam. They sent funds to crwth to run the activity as he was involved from the beghinning. If they didn't give it to crwth, crwth would suspect them & raise his voice. Hence, the trick I guess.

I do not think any of them is coming up here and giving us any words. If they were to then they would have been done that long ago. The whole thing about this Charity were looking good until the 2nd 1 BTC donation made and bitcoin price were to too high. Once the price of BTC started to picking up both cabalism13 and bl4nkcode got greedy but somehow they involved crwth to give a small amount for whatever the reason they thought.

The splitting between both seems like 50-50 agreements

I would lock this thread but I want to wait til the holidays are over and see if the other 2 pop in and give a reasonable explanation as to the facts and try to clear up any 8ssues users have.

I'm not accusing you of being bigoted, and I'm sorry if that's the impression you got.  I guess my second comment only made matters worse, but again that was not my intent.  If there's one common complaint against you it's that you see relatively circumstantial pieces of information as proof of some nefarious activities, and come to conclusions based on that circumstantial evidence.  I've known you to perceive a variety of articles as evidence, and creed is not any more prevalent than others.

In this particular situation it appears to me that the primary piece of evidence is that the Merit and Trust circles filter down to a specific nationality.  But that's not enough.  Merit and Trust circles form as a result of regional location, race, ethnicity, nationality, and culture on a regular basis around here.  It's very common around the forum among the Russians, Germans, Italians, Filipinos, and probably more than any other, the Americans.

I also want to add that I do appreciate the effort you've put into finding more about the two loan scammers.  I don't want to come off as ungrateful.  I would love nothing more than to prevent them from scamming again, and see them brought to justice.  However, the attempt to link the three charity admins to those loan scammers is tenuous at best, and unhelpful.  Continuing to discuss it here isn't adding value to this thread.

18 months ago I identified a cluster of UID's who had previously engaged in merit swapping and DT trust swapping (even passwords being changed in the same 24 hour period) which elevated asu and theyoungmillionaire into positions to then scam lots of money.  Lots of naval gazing ensued as people decried they never saw that coming.

The "Elephant" in the room (other than apparently this whole page is off topic) is that two of those - 18 months ago - I identified as a part of that merit/dt backscratching cluster that were in need of watching are cabalism13 and crwth.

cabalism13 still hasn't come back online, neither has bL4nkcode.

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I knew nothing of this "charity" until this thread began, however, had I been aware at the time, I would have asked @theymos if they endorse the use of the name BitCoinTalk as a part of the Charities name? 

And, as the charity is representing itself as having the official blessing of the Forum by taking its name, then why were there no checks and balances in place by admin or mods to ensure when the large donations roll in we don't find ourselves in a situation where two of three adminstrators/UID's falling silent while the third offers a covid test and a couple of vague receipts (which aren't listed on the spreadsheet screen shots) as proof only after hard questions start being asked.  (and still won't elaborate on where the other two are)

The real Elephant in the room is why none of you other good people who were aware of its creation asked those tough questions when this "charity" was formed in the name of the Forum.

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Time to lock this thread, @yahoo62278

I don't think this is an issue that has to do with nationality, and I'm not sure Timelord2067 implied anything of the sort.  However, if there's any fact that might cause more suspicion as to the members involved and where they live, it's that bitcoin can buy a lot more in the Philippines than in a lot of other countries.  That's not to say that someone living in a country with a higher cost of living wouldn't be tempted by having access to a large amount of bitcoin, but I mean come on....first of all, it's easy to pilfer when the available amount is large and maybe a small amount goes unaccounted for (initially at least); and second, it's just straight-up more tempting to run off with an amount of money if it has more purchasing power in your country vs. one where it wouldn't.  I think the second part is common sense.

Having said all that, I don't know exactly how much more a bitcoin will buy you in the Philippines compared to the UK, Germany, or wherever.  I'll also reiterate that the members being Filipino in itself has nothing to do with this situation.  The same actions taken by anyone else in any other country would no doubt be under the same scrutiny, because they speak for themselves.  Hell, I didn't even know where Cabalism13, crwth, and bl4nkcode were from until it was mentioned here (or I forgot). 

No, you didn't.  But it does seem like the elephant in the room that no one wants to discuss.  There are a lot of members here from the Philippines, and some might be alts of one another but I think it's unfair to link them all to the loan scammers whenever some ethical or moral questions come up.  It could be that I got the wrong impression, and if that's the case please accept my apology.

It's basically how you explained it. It's more of what you can do or the idea of how you will do it then that's it.

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I'm just really weirded out on the things he is saying that are not related to the topic at hand. When I posted my side here, he focused on the part where it's not related to the subject of this topic. I specifically posted there "Back to the main point" and still didn't focus on it immediately.