Topic: Bitcointalk Charity and its funds - page 5. (Read 4828 times)

This is my first time to see this issue. But since I trust you guys. I suggest that you should provide the screenshot of actual spending receipt on the spreadsheet and also the value in fiat of Bitcoin by the time you convert and used it to purchased items needed for donations. Just indicate the miscellaneous and other extra things that you purchased so that the value will tally and everyone will have a peace of mind.

People just want see that spending will be equal to the total donation. I know that you need to use some money for miscellaneous like transpo, your labor fee and other expenses. Just be honest and declared all the expenses. You can do this.

Hello

I will analyze the images later or tomorrow.

I think many of us in the thread expected something like this from you and the others but it's been a while.

You sound honest but we will have to analyze what you are showing us.

Sorry, it took quite a long time to post again here. Really had a hard time IRL because I got sick and needed to be isolated from my family and work. If you noticed, my posting rates are down because of this and what I’m going through personally, and I do hope you guys understand that to be part of a signature campaign like this is important to me because it helps with my personal expenses.

I know this shouldn’t be an excuse, but this is really what happened and it’s my fault for not posting and updating for a while and I hope that I’m making it up to you guys by posting here.

If you guys are interested in my tests, here it is. I could send the result if you are interested. Thankfully it’s now negative, good for the holidays.

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Back to the main point

Here is a link for my expenses.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PupnusqpO1FJIWPztyX0SfdGYcCubIbF94e3jldW3Fo/edit?usp=sharing

This is a copy of the spreadsheet that was posted, and I just copied my part on it.
It’s going to be quite different from what is previously posted because I haven’t seen the receipt back then and I had to search the internet first for the prices of the items I included in the package.

The balance that I received and converted to PHP



For the receipts, I did manage to recover some. The thermal paper in supermarkets always has this tendency to fade right away.


You can see the breakdown in the spreadsheet.

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You know, I was really trying to help because my intention for this is good and to be tied up and accused of different stuff feels so demotivating. It just made it feel even sadder and harder to defend if all they see is the negative ones and not praise the ones that have been done already.

You know the sad thing about this is that once you thought of somebody not logging in, it’s already a burned account or something but that’s not always the case. Thank you to those who have posted good stuff first and try to understand at first why it’s happening. It’s really what makes the community amazing, TBH.

I do hope to continue this and possibly with better guidance at the helm to prevent this situation again. Together as a community, we aim to be better and help a lot more people in the future.

Happy holidays to everyone.

If he needed to borrow money from lenders, if he needed to use the fund from charity to spend on his relative's treatment then do you think he has financial solvency to return even a one 10th of a bitcoin right now?

We are talking about 2+ bitcoin that was mishandled and I think this is a lot of money for them (in the country they are in) to do nothing but spend time on a beautiful beach for the next 5 years. Then after 5 years take an assignment of building few bitcointalk accounts and give 2 years effort before making another successful scam.

Just a follow up to my rating on cabalism13 I wrote:

While I do feel that the charity auditing is quite in shambles (and I do not recommend these guys to continue running it without at least a logging their work in a spreadsheet with transactions in it), I don't feel like cabalism13 is really out to scam us.

True, money was sent out to them that was used for personal expenses, but I don't think he's simply going to run away with the charity money and disappear from the forum. In his case it would be illogical to do that since he has a bunch of business connections here (that have nothing to do with the charity).

But if anyone who donated to him wants a refund, I think he should definitely honor that and issue refunds to those donors.

My point is to decided if you want to add them in your trust network and leave them a positive feedback.

I can find you users who are getting easily in the trust network just because they earned few hundreds of quick merits, busted scammers or did certain activities which looks positive and now they became DT members with unnecessary positive feedback left by other DT members like "This is a good scam buster I trust him" or "x is very active forum member and contributing in the forum from xxx times".

If someone is very focused in building up their reputation and doing is very fast then there should be things to be worried. This was my point of the last post.

I think I am one of those people who do put everyone in the same line. I have fought for newbies in many occasions. And in many occasions they even did better deal than a highly reputed member in the forum for me.

If you want to deal with them then let them trust you first (if you are old timer and highly trusted in the forum). Don't leave them a feedback and don't add them in your trust network until there is a certain long period they are active in the community and doing good things for it.

I don't think account age matters much, and I definitely wouldn't trust someone just because their account is 5 years old.
This is what theymos said about a Newbie with 2 posts:

Shit!
I feel you bud. In my lending business I lost more money then profited and eventually I decided to stop the service.

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I am not being judgemental for a nation or a race but unfortunately Filipino community is losing their credibility in fact lost all credibility. Remember those guys TYM, asu? If I am not wrong then many more scammers were in fact from Philippine. The numbers are high if we compare with other community.

There is a pattern for them. They join and build up a solid reputation. They do it very fast. TYM, asu, cabalism13, crwth and many more, bL4nkcode is a bit different I guess (Took long time to pull the scam for him).

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I think from now on we should not trust guys who are very focused on building up good reputation that they are getting it too fast. They are fine as long as they are not asking for money or involving them in a trade. We should not also leave them positive tags or in the DT system very quick just because they are contributing in the community. Let them have over x years of legibility, maybe 5 years (?) before giving them a positive feedback or adding them into the DT network.

There are many users who I have seen built up their reputation very quick, in fact the number of merits they earn is a short span seems unbelievable. But consider them with a regular forum user, they should not have even one 10th of the merit they earned or appreciated by the old times. Who knows these guys might have very similar plan? Some day they will pull a successful scam and they are preparing for it?

PS: My own observation by the way. These incidents should give us some lessons.

It's unlikely that this alt will be come active again, but am just placing it here so that it is on the record:

2 Accounts Connected:

bL4nkcode01, bL4nkcode,

2016-02-10, 11:24:27 Date Registered:    bL4nkcode01
2016-02-12, 01:17:03 Date Registered:    bL4nkcode
2016-11-28, 00:59:25 Last Active:    bL4nkcode01
2021-12-22, 08:15:01 Last Active:    bL4nkcode

Proof:

No, and I think you will agree with the extremely low probability that these three accounts can be operated by the same person (especially considering the posting style and the fact that all of these accounts are members of DT1). Speaking of oddities, I meant a general chat in a telegram or other messenger in which these three could coordinate their actions and words, at least this would explain the synchronous offline.

Hope you get your money, and hopefully you have a contingency plan, ^{[as there is indeed a possibility that, looking at such a large number of red marks, debtors will find it inappropriate to pay bills and will eventually leave the forum]}.

Yes, I can confirm that the loan is still active and I have had communication with cabalism13 prior about an extension. Hopefully I end up getting full repayments from cabalism13 and crwth.

I don't know about your options, but these guys not logging in for days certainly speaks volumes to me. I have tagged and supported flags against all 3 at this point.

Since only a few wallets support 2FA, multi-sig would've been the best option, but that wouldn't have changed anything because a single "send $500 to my wallet" message from C13 to BLK would've been enough to get BTC pushed to his wallet, and he already knew why he chose his friend to be the escrow in the first place.

I believe there was a misquote there because I never accused any of them of being scammers, nor did I suggest the charity was involved in any kind of scam attempts; instead, I just stated that these guys have opted not to give a fvck about reporting the charity's activities to anyone.

Yes, there is charity work going on, and I saw some images from crwth and BLK in the charity thread, but at this moment there are questions in everyone's heads, and pictures aren't enough; we need to see something on paper at least once in a while. I secretly hope that this organization will grow and expand beyond the Philippines to include other neighboring countries.

2021-12-19, 18:56:31    Last Active:    cabalism13
2021-12-21, 13:00:09    Last Active:    crwth
2021-12-22, 08:15:01    Last Active:    bL4nkcode


The three options are:

• All three are alts.  I discount this scenario due to the fact there had to be collaboration between at least two parties in promoting the "charitable work" being done.
• There are two users.  I favor this scenario in which two users, for example cabalism13 and crwth are alts are able to persuade the other person (two votes to one) how to spend the funds.
• There are three users. Two users might be able to persuade a third user for some of the time, however, the third person will at some-point form a differing opinion and voice concerns.  That hasn't happened.

I have the same opinion, and I think so far everyone I've seen commenting on the thread has said the same thing. That in the beginning the intention was good. Probably neither they themselves cared too much about keeping receipts nor the community to control it because if you get a $50 donation, another $20 donation and I give you another $25 donation, if you show me some pictures that's enough, but if you get a whole Bitcoin, you have to be very careful.


In the end I deleted my neutral tag and supported the flag, partly because of this argument and partly because of the fact that they disappeared from the forum days ago. If I considered myself innocent I wouldn't do that.

To me they consider themselves somehow guilty and defeated. bL4nkcode used to earn $100 a week from the Best Change signature campaign. That's good money for someone living in the Philippines. crwth didn't write as much but he also made money from the campaign. Think of them as people who have borrowed money on the forum, some as little as $200.

If I considered myself innocent, even if I didn't keep all the receipts, I would have come more to this thread to show my face and fight for my reputation and save my income.

Ok, let's take this possibility as true. What did the other two do? And especially the one who work as escrow for a fund, a keeper of others' money. He just says hell yeah, take whatever you need, after all, is for charity. Now, for whos charity, it doesn't matter. We name our greediness an "urgent need" and take the money.
I'm sorry to say it but there is nothing to wait for here. Their irresponsibility and sloppiness are a fact, as their silence for the matter. I see all the members trying to justify the behavior of these three and these three (who fail to do what they suppose to do), not to be bothered. So why do we have to bother?

That would be multisig, which is more complicated and leads to higher transaction fees.


To quote myself:
I think most people would feel temptation at a high enough amount of money. It's best to prevent that opportunity from happening.

I take back what I said about not posting in this thread, because for whatever reason I feel like I have to respond to comments like yours; you are correct that things don't look good, and the longer this goes on with no reply from any of the members involved, the worse it looks and the worse it probably is. 

It's possible that it could take time to provide a full accounting of funds moved/spent by any one member, but when there's just radio silence that isn't a good sign that anything is being worked on.

I'm pretty sure there's a way to put bitcoin in a wallet with 2FA or something similar, right?  Aren't bitcointalk's funds held in an arrangement like that?  That might have been a good idea with this amateur-hour charity, since if they did that Cabalism13 would have had to ask permission from at least one of the other members before using some of the funds for his own purposes.  Instead, he apparently sought advice from people who had nothing to do with the charity and were in no position to give him permission to do anything with those funds.  At least that's what he claimed.

I bet you they're not, and the only reason I say that is because none of them are your typical fly-by-night scammers, plus I don't believe the charity was started with the intention of scamming anyone.  I think temptation and the availability of a large amount of money got the best of at least one of the members involved.

I'm surprised that this charity has been running for almost two years with approximately 2BTC+ donated and that there are no single receipts of items purchased, only some random pictures of foods and packed items that could be obtained from the internet (I'm not accusing anyone, I'm simply stating the possibility). If C13 was able to withdraw $500 from the charity account for medical care without the authorization of the donators, it's probable that some of the charity funds were used for purposes not mentioned above. I don't know C13's financial situation, but it's risky to put such a large sum of money in the hands of someone who isn't financially sound...

They do not give a fuck they are somewhere drinking beer and laughing at our comments  after all nobody is going to jail.

I cannot confirm anything currently. I have no access to the sheet now myself. I will ask them to make the spreadsheet public, but cannot guarantee they will.