Topic: Bitcointalk Charity and its funds - page 10. (Read 4950 times)

Nope.
I can only assume the lack of details about all transactions is because they know publishing it won't work in their favour.

Are we even sure there will be anymore responses from them in this thread? Been a few days and there has been plenty of time to present evidence of activities, proofs of funds and where they went, or anything else relevant.

Yes, of course. The fact that the other two have responded when asked for explanations with a more correct tone does not imply that they have done everything right. And there is another thing:


We will have to see what explanations are given for this in particular.

Escrow should have prevented this from happening instead of sharing in the money.

In this regard I just want to say that I think I liked the tone and the way the other two members responded better than the way cabalism13 did.

It is a matter that smells bad and I think that if it were not for the previous good reputation that the three of them had, they would have been negative tagged much earlier, in view of the facts exposed in this thread.

I hope the other two members will give us satisfactory explanations.

Thanks for that explanation; I got the feeling from reading part of the other thread that cabalism13 had more to do with it other than just being an escrow, but that certainly doesn't excuse him from misappropriating funds.  It's the same level of wrongdoing if not worse IMO.

Are we both reading the same thread?  Stealing from a charity isn't a life circumstance that could happen to any of us, if only because not everyone will ever have control over the entire amount of money donated by others for charitable purposes.  Cabalism13 isn't going to be able to wiggle his way out of this one, but I'll be very interested to see what the other two end up saying and doing.

And his/their reputation(s) weren't ruined in a matter of days, though it may seem that way.  They were in the process of being ruined whenever the first bit of money was spent on non-charity things or sent to Binance to gamble or split up between the three members in question.  I'm sure they were hoping it would go unnoticed if they stayed quiet, because they knew a thread like this would be the result, as well as an indelible black mark smeared on their reputations.  Well, that goes for cabalism13 for now; I'll await the story from the other two.

You are creating the scenario worst I guess; by bringing this issue, you seem to be more doubtful TBH. If someone is talking about something personal; bring the proof that you have utilized the fund for good cause & that should be your answer to them.

This is really the worst. The address is supposed to be from escrow aka bl4nkcode. Why were bl4nkcode silent or even crwth? Since they were actively involved with the project & bl4nkcode was supposed to be escrow, why did he not say a word when cabalism13 asked to PM for an address?

The only thing that made me ask about the latest funds on the official thread is this offer.
The purpose of my question is how much money we got from these (hidden) addresses, because main charity address on the OP clearly shows 0BTC. How can donations by private PM achieve full transparency? It might be too late if the program committee wants to publish the addresses for altcoins donations, we never know what actually happened between June 2 and December 15 and don't know which addresses were actually given to donors (if any).

Such practice is not a common standard for charity programmes. What I do know is that even legal charities will publish the recipient's account address even if it doesn't have an account address explorer like blockchain. I think this program is completely broken now and can't be continued again if managed by the same person. I suggest disbanding and removing charity address (BTC) from the OP.

It's not about his reputation; his account is insignificant in comparison to the sums at stake, and tagged or not, he can always find his way around here. We're talking about future philanthropy because we don't want the wonderful donors' minds to be swayed.

The charity's credibility, transparency, accountability, and flexibility were all lost at this point. The contribution address for USDT, XRP, ETH, and BNB was not made public. CB13 and the other two words are not convincing enough.

This is especially important when we know that 1 Bitcoin was trading around $69k last month.
Now let me play a advocate role here and say that it's nothing strange if they converted Bitcoin to fiat currency to buy groceries and stuff for charity, because most shops don't accept BTC.
All they need is to provide some evidence for spending and converting coins to fiat and all this story would finish quickly.

What made me even more confused is when I saw a post from C13 when he suggested that one gambler addict should send Bitcoins to his ''Charity'' project to solve his gambling addiction, and I don't know how ethical this is, but whatever.
Let me finish this by saying this, I think that charity is a wonderful thing and everyone should practice this on personal level as much as he/she can.
It's also obvious that this guys helped some people in the past, I respect that and I hope this situation will be resolved soon.

I read this thread and I really don't like where this is going. charity is a very delicate matter, and running one must have a high degree of responsibility because any abuse will hinder some sincere intentions in the future.
I am very surprised that we do not have concrete answers from these three members here, especially from the bL4nkcode who performs with his escrow service here.
I hope I am wrong and that they use this time to collect all the data on transactions in order to document and present them publicly.


is this suspicious only to me as completely non-transparent and what is escrow for here, signed address...

If we look at the whole situation from only one angle, then it seems to be exactly as you wrote. For the time being, I will treat the whole thing as a combination of various life circumstances that could have happened to any of us - and I hope that all three members will be able to prove that this is the case. In case the opposite turns out, we all know how DT members and others will react - you build a reputation for years and destroy it in a few days.

They all three are not escrow agents. cabalism13 started the charity out of his own interest and was inspired by other charities from which one was hosted by the forum member and ex-moderator (?) Dabs. cabalism13 started the charity. bl4nkcode is providing escrow service for a few years now and as he was from the same local as cabalism13, it was a default pick as escrow. crwth was possibly involved as a volunteer though it's not clear his involvement at all. cabalism13 announced the charity with escrow bl4nkcode signed message, I can't see crwth was mentioned anywhere in the announcement thread and suddenly crwth was sharing about some of his activities which has no prior discussion. Maybe they had PM or discussion in their local.

And the reason the money were split into three parts was not realized because nothing else has been done since the funds were separated to increase activity. BTW, unless yahoo62278 brought it up, I had no idea that this charity was still active. There was a time when our local board needed some funds to assist families of some of our members who had died, but the charity thread was inactive and dusty, showing a ZREO (0) balance, while the funds were converted to local fiat and shared among some users. I'm not accusing anyone, but this act alone demonstrates how the organization has been operated for years in an unprofessional manner.

Do we have to wait until the Christmas season to feed the less privilege? when there are hundreds of thousands of children on the streets every day? If there are no hungry or poor people in your neighborhood, this charity only requires $400 to clothe as many homeless children as possible.
 - COLD IS COMING!

This makes it even more look like "opportunity makes the thief". When there's more money involved, I'd expect more accurate accounting, not less.

In May and November last year 1BTC was donated. Those were worth $9k and $16k at the time. I can imagine it's suddenly a lot more work to distribute a lot of money than it was with $30 at a time when this thing started. I can also imagine it's also a lot easier staying honest with $30 than it is when someone hands you 3 annual salaries. That doesn't mean you're a thief, but in my opinion it does mean you have to work extra hard to make sure nobody gets any reason to doubt anything you did! By not doing that, all we can do is guess and speculate, and that's entirely due to your lack of transparency.

It used to say it in the title: $1 Is A Big Thing For Them. I've seen the pictures of shopping carts with groceries. However, 2BTC can buy many hundreds if not thousands of full shopping carts. Where are those pictures?
Until the first 1BTC was donated, the pictures of this charity looked really good, and look like all the money was well spend. But this was much less than 1BTC, probably even less than a tenth of that. Which means I'd expect at least ten times more items to be donated later on.
Then:
After this, there were still pictures posted, but none of it looks like it came even close to spending 1.6BTC. But I can only guess, as no amounts are specified.
The spreadsheet is not publicly accessible:

Also good to know: when cabalism13 announced to pull funds out of escrow, 0.55387486BTC worth 18,308.30USD was moved.

This didn't age well:

At this point even the donation addresses were no longer public.

It's partially on a local board, which makes it even harder to get the full picture.

Then again, 1.5 years ago he wrote this already:

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It wouldn't hurt to include the full 2.12264434BTC in the spreadsheet, so all numbers can be verified in the overview.

Eh, yeah--exactly.  

I know this isn't my fight and I wasn't a donator, but how was it that these three members were chosen as escrow agents?  I don't know the full story behind this charity, as I haven't read that other thread yet (just due to personal time constraints).  If someone could give a brief TL;DR history of this apparent debacle, I'd be greatly appreciative.

Also, if cabalism13 used charity funds for his grandfather's medications (or so he says), I can pretty much guarantee you it didn't end there--if it even started there in the first place.  Once someone has crossed a boundary like that it gets so much easier to do it repeatedly.  And if there weren't receipts kept....well, it's not hard to put two and two together here.  

I'm also wondering when exactly any of these members were going to give an accounting of the funds and their activities if yahoo62278 hadn't pushed them to.

I am personally familiar with the project because I have personally donated several times, and as long as it involved smaller amounts the transparency was at a high level and the whole charity was run in a professional way. When someone donated 1 BTC and it was decided to transfer the funds to stablecoins things got a little out of hand with the obvious lack of activity of the members who ran the whole project.

This should never have happened, because someone will always start digging and find any irregularities, which will result in questions that need to be answered without any doubt. I would advise everyone involved in this to be as transparent as possible and to clarify all transactions.

A lot of good has been done through this project, let's give people some time to show all the evidence - and if someone has borrowed part of the funds for personal needs in case of emergency, let them apologize and return the funds. I do not approve of such actions, but everyone would help their family member in any way to save his life, and that needs to be understood.

I do hope that everything will go well here. Sadly, there wasn't any update with regards to the charity thread with any activity. But I'm currently helping compile all the transactions and ask for their breakdown with the funds that were gotten for activities. I have mine and just need to input it into the final spreadsheet. It would be easier to see how it breaks down if it's okay to use as a reference/copy the spreadsheet by Royse777.

As for some updates with charity, I have some remaining funds for the last remaining activity that I have reserved for the holidays. It will be on December 19. I'll update the charity thread by then.

I do hope everything clears out by then.

Surprising reply! Why are you asking to tag? Had OP created the thread to tag you? He just asked for a proper explanation and proof of your charity's progress. This isn't about tagging your account, this is about transparency about your charity activities. I really appreciate these kinds of initiatives, but they should be held in a transparent way. Look like you become angry due to asking questions. The thread hasn't been created to hear your farewell speech and we won't stay with us forever.

No matter you stopped charity activities due to a busy schedule, but you should update about the situation before asking a question from the community. Since you have been raising funds through the forum, so this community reserve the right to ask you to provide real-time updates. I am curious what did you mean by shitty proof, but it's not expected from you. Splitting funds shouldn't problem as long as they provide proof of distribution, either to you or in the thread. And one more thing, you do not reserve the right to spend charity funds for your family illness. No matter who gives you permission as long as not permitted by the donator to do so.

Thank you for compliments and for sending me merits.
Congratulations on getting married, and I hope you are enjoying your life now that you created all this mess with your donations charity scheme.
If you can use donation funds for family medications (like you admitted yourself), why are you acting surprised with my speculation that you used part of same donation for your wedding celebration also?

No problem sir, I have the skills to do that and I am here to serve and protect, btw I never accused you of anything, it was just my speculation because of your recent inactivity.
Please let me know when you need next donation, maybe for your kids, grandkids or pets.

Happy Holidays.