I still want to believe that funds were spent properly, but things definitely don't look nice. Even if they spent all money for good case, this is not how things should be done. If you decided to make charity campaign, publicity and transparency should be main thing. After all, all these money were donated by people, it's not your own property. If I would do such thing, I would try to keep receipts of every purchase and add record of it to spreadsheet. Because it's not enough to add vague information that $50 were spent on potato or $100 on rice without any receipt.
What I unlike most in this situation that these users don't bother to reply to accusation properly and seems that they don't give a shit about it. And coincidence or not, but soon after accusation they become basically inactive on forum.
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Never say never. you can't know what can happen to you and that you may need money urgently.
Yes, you are right, never say never just in case.
Let's hope that the loans situation ends up positively and they pay back what they owe.
If I understand correctly, he asked for $2K in June that he was going to pay back in 2 or 3 months and at most 6. He should have paid it all back already and according to row 174 of the spreadsheet (if I understand it correctly) he has made a partial payment of $500 of the total $2,686 he has to pay back, plus he has left BTC and bnb as collateral, but he has not paid it all back yet.
the delay does not necessarily mean a problem and if both parties agree, extending the repayment period is ok.
I guess lender DarkStar_ probably knows about this drama and I hope this all ends positively.
Incidentally, I see several people I know from the forum in the spreadsheet and I am surprised. No way you're going to see me paying 2.70%-6.60% monthly interest. I must be financially very healthy because it seems crazy to me.
Never say never. you can't know what can happen to you and that you may need money urgently.
then third (reference) 2021/06/04 - $2000 (which is still open, if the data in DarkStar_ spreadsheet are correct)
If I understand correctly, he asked for $2K in June that he was going to pay back in 2 or 3 months and at most 6. He should have paid it all back already and according to row 174 of the spreadsheet (if I understand it correctly) he has made a partial payment of $500 of the total $2,686 he has to pay back, plus he has left BTC and bnb as collateral, but he has not paid it all back yet.
I guess now that his bitcointalk account is ruined the temptation to not pay may be even greater.
Incidentally, I see several people I know from the forum in the spreadsheet and I am surprised. No way you're going to see me paying 2.70%-6.60% monthly interest. I must be financially very healthy because it seems crazy to me.
I don't insinuate anything, it's just illogical for me to lend money to someone and at the same time ask for a loan from a third party. whether he resold the loan, yet at that time blankcode had a good enough reputation to get a loan from Darkstar (just my assumption) there was no need for a mediator.
It is certainly curious
Edited to say that I see in row 213 that crwth has an active non-secured loan. The same. I hope he is honest and pays it back but in a non-secured loan where the only collateral is your Bitcointalk account, if the account is ruined, there may be a temptation not to pay back the loan.
Are you suggesting they're alts?
I don't think they are alts. cabalism13 is quite different than the rest two from what I have observed; not sure about the other two though.I also don't think they are alt accounts, but there is certainly an interesting history between them.
bl4nkcode take a loan from cabalism, 20000 PHP (which is around $400 today as Google says) on Apr 16. '21.
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5679/56796511.html
| cabalism13 | 2021-06-16 | Reference | Got a loan >$400 from him for 2 months. Paid. Thank you. |
this is nothing unusual, but it is interesting that cabalism is taking a loan from DarkStar_
first on (reference) 2021/04/05 - $200
second (reference) 2021/04/26 - $400 (just 10 days after he accept to lend almost the same amount to blankcode)
then third (reference) 2021/06/04 - $2000 (which is still open, if the data in DarkStar_ spreadsheet are correct)
I don't insinuate anything, it's just illogical for me to lend money to someone and at the same time ask for a loan from a third party. whether he resold the loan, yet at that time blankcode had a good enough reputation to get a loan from Darkstar (just my assumption) there was no need for a mediator.
I can still access it from my email. Wondering why it's private instead of making it public.
Can you save it in Google Docs and share your own copy?Let me know if more tabs are required; I didn't because I guess these aren't necessary.
It would be good if yahoo62278 would confirm the data are the same as the one shared by cabalism13; just to make sure I didn't tamper with any data.
I can still access it from my email. Wondering why it's private instead of making it public.
Can you save it in Google Docs and share your own copy?
Earlier, I had sent a PM to bl4nkcode to explain some of the points/questions I had which I posted here in the thread but he did neither respond to PM nor here in this thread. This is ridiculous that none of them giving an F*** here.
Are you suggesting they're alts?
I don't think they are alts. cabalism13 is quite different than the rest two from what I have observed; not sure about the other two though.Quote
I should have saved the spreadsheet.
If you need it, you can PM me. I have some screenshots. I can still access it from my email. Wondering why it's private instead of making it public. 
That's false. You can track their habits and expenses, like was a company. They also have articles of association, payrolls, expenses, accounting in general. However, this charity fund, isn't an "entity", an rl organization. So having a simple excel for tracking where they donate, I guess it wasn't hard.
It's not false at all because I was talking about external checking and auditing, and public (including you) can't exactly track and verify how FidelityCharitable or SaveTheChildren (for example) spends their received bitcoins.Internal checking is something totally different and I already mentioned that in my post.
I don't argue with you, I understand it wrong. Of course, internal checking is different from external.
In this case though, those guys are not an entity like SaveTheChildren (a 501(c)(3) organization). We can't make a comparison between three guys in a public forum asking members to help, with any type of established charity organization. They should be keeping receipts, a spreadsheet would be the least they could do, and they should have been transparent from the moment that they decide to start this charity. They don't even care to answer here.
That's false. You can track their habits and expenses, like was a company. They also have articles of association, payrolls, expenses, accounting in general. However, this charity fund, isn't an "entity", an rl organization. So having a simple excel for tracking where they donate, I guess it wasn't hard.
It's not false at all because I was talking about external checking and auditing, and public (including you) can't exactly track and verify how FidelityCharitable or SaveTheChildren (for example) spends their received bitcoins.Internal checking is something totally different and I already mentioned that in my post.
It’s been days and they all aren’t replying...
I look and read closely this thread from the start and to be honest, this behavior pisses me off. They have been accused of mishandling/ abusing charity money from our community, and still nothing, not even a post. Two of them posted regularly like nothing happened, while the third person told us with such simplicity to just...f**k off! Of course, when they ask for our money, was pretty talkative and "active".
IMO all three of them deserve a red tag, even if they can prove that they didn't abuse the charity money. Because they are all responsible for informing, keeping receipts, and communicating everything that they want to do with a charity fund and not hunting them for explanations. If yahoo62278 didn't notice it, they will let us know? Not a chance in a million.
If you sent that 0.2 btc to any organization that accepts Bitcoin donations for charity, how exactly would you track their spending habits and check they are not abusing this money?
I think that everybody remembers notorious fake hunanrightsfoundation who is still acepting donations for who knows what, maybe for arming his hezbollah paramilitary units.
Even for legit big charity organizations you can't really see and verify how they are spending money, but I am sure they are keeping transactions in private for personal records.
Someone could even hold grudge and complain about donations for bitcointalk forum and paying for new invisible forum software
I think that everybody remembers notorious fake hunanrightsfoundation who is still acepting donations for who knows what, maybe for arming his hezbollah paramilitary units.
Even for legit big charity organizations you can't really see and verify how they are spending money, but I am sure they are keeping transactions in private for personal records.
Someone could even hold grudge and complain about donations for bitcointalk forum and paying for new invisible forum software
That's false. You can track their habits and expenses, like was a company. They also have articles of association, payrolls, expenses, accounting in general. However, this charity fund, isn't an "entity", an rl organization. So having a simple excel for tracking where they donate, I guess it wasn't hard.
Relevant addresses:
33tZjC2ZdVib9JLdWZH4rg7HzhuuTG5WZd - crwth
32RYTtV6xGTX55i5QdfA7T8iWgAd2QK7yo - legendster
33c9Df6J6vkGU1cuX84AePoeH2qzuzbcF1 - cabalism13
3LjVmpw2wDWawaPGa8Lj5JYjYciXDAePbW - cabalism13
3LvwmWgo6kS64Rtz5JVwpq3v1R8NXckX2W - crwth
351ZYYihVwJnKKv9iAdGeFxhaJ3t7zzrcA - bl4nkcode
bc1qlk9s9tmsv79hk345s98atht534fac3qu0nrayu - probably cabalism13
1a3eegDyFQAotunG5CknN4JntFzfZC3Mo - not sure who own
bc1qxu65xsfjecr8cxc3ywsp2pjzqp35dvs69tulem - not sure who own
3KwDEEzZycWYC73juBsrbjJjB1zumrx37v - marlboroza
bc1q20yenlspxprxk9dqttc6gue8yz02auth89jdvq - not sure who own (0.56622723 BTC received worth of $18789#1)
33tZjC2ZdVib9JLdWZH4rg7HzhuuTG5WZd - crwth
32RYTtV6xGTX55i5QdfA7T8iWgAd2QK7yo - legendster
33c9Df6J6vkGU1cuX84AePoeH2qzuzbcF1 - cabalism13
3LjVmpw2wDWawaPGa8Lj5JYjYciXDAePbW - cabalism13
3LvwmWgo6kS64Rtz5JVwpq3v1R8NXckX2W - crwth
351ZYYihVwJnKKv9iAdGeFxhaJ3t7zzrcA - bl4nkcode
bc1qlk9s9tmsv79hk345s98atht534fac3qu0nrayu - probably cabalism13
1a3eegDyFQAotunG5CknN4JntFzfZC3Mo - not sure who own
bc1qxu65xsfjecr8cxc3ywsp2pjzqp35dvs69tulem - not sure who own
3KwDEEzZycWYC73juBsrbjJjB1zumrx37v - marlboroza
bc1q20yenlspxprxk9dqttc6gue8yz02auth89jdvq - not sure who own (0.56622723 BTC received worth of $18789#1)
- 33tZjC2ZdVib9JLdWZH4rg7HzhuuTG5WZd - is part of Wallet [00000dd86b] which has 7,860,540 total transactions (i.e. it's an online wallet/address) and is attributed to crwth
- 32RYTtV6xGTX55i5QdfA7T8iWgAd2QK7yo - is part of Wallet [00002dbb51] which has 1,116,489 total transactions (i.e. it's an online wallet/address)
- 33c9Df6J6vkGU1cuX84AePoeH2qzuzbcF1 - is part of Wallet [00000dd86b] which has 7,860,540 total transactions (i.e. it's an online wallet/address) and is attributed to cabalism13
- 3LjVmpw2wDWawaPGa8Lj5JYjYciXDAePbW - is part of Wallet [00000dd86b] which has 7,860,540 total transactions (i.e. it's an online wallet/address) and is attributed to cabalism13
- 3LvwmWgo6kS64Rtz5JVwpq3v1R8NXckX2W - is part of Wallet [824a27b6c9] and has just two wallet addresses:Quote3J8cyEFx5n4twscaFPtsXbqez8vRfs1JcX 0. 1 632402
3LvwmWgo6kS64Rtz5JVwpq3v1R8NXckX2W 0. 1 632402 - 351ZYYihVwJnKKv9iAdGeFxhaJ3t7zzrcA - is part of Wallet [aecaac8472] and has just two wallet addresses:Quote351ZYYihVwJnKKv9iAdGeFxhaJ3t7zzrcA 0. 1 632490
39FPTdMxZaS4QtYQWfjb3LucnKy49ydPkh 0. 1 632490 - bc1qlk9s9tmsv79hk345s98atht534fac3qu0nrayu - is part of Wallet [ddbf7dd4a9] and is the sole wallet address
- 1a3eegDyFQAotunG5CknN4JntFzfZC3Mo is part of Wallet [Bittrex.com] which has 8,432,605 total transactions (i.e. it's an online wallet/address)
- bc1qxu65xsfjecr8cxc3ywsp2pjzqp35dvs69tulem - is part of Wallet [60b5a51434] and has just two wallet addresses:Quotebc1qflr28lwmtss4j62ayg53q4fvugctajap336ssk 0. 1 659937
bc1qxu65xsfjecr8cxc3ywsp2pjzqp35dvs69tulem 0. 1 659937 - 3KwDEEzZycWYC73juBsrbjJjB1zumrx37v - is part of Wallet [5da4e581b8] and is the sole wallet address.
- bc1q20yenlspxprxk9dqttc6gue8yz02auth89jdvq - is part of Wallet [00039e3f52] of which there are 138,594 transactions. (i.e. it's an online wallet/address)
Honestly speaking I do not think it's anymore to convince you but to convince all of us. There are no points now to make private update.
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What are the odds they all stop posting and stay offline at the same time?
bL4nkcode and crwth are active (well logged in two days before should not mean in active).
Odds?
Give me 5 options to chose.
Edit: Wrong observation. I was checking his last posting date.
although I have been getting regular replies from cabalism on telegram. His last message to me was the spreadsheet and him telling me he would be offline mostly until the new year. The other 2 I haven't really reached out to.
Honestly speaking I do not think it's anymore to convince you but to convince all of us. There are no points now to make private update. It’s been days and they all aren’t replying...
What are the odds they all stop posting and stay offline at the same time?it seems strange to me that all three guys provided vague facts, I would understand if this behavior was traced only in one participant in this case, but not in three at once.
Are you suggesting they're alts?800 + 1200 + 1600 + 1800 + 650 + 1400 + 8500 + 1500 +1000 + 500 = 18,950
1 PHP = 0.020 USD means all together $377.56
No way!
We are taking about 2.12264434 BTC at btc price between $10k to $65k+ I believe?
I only showed the numbers I noticed for being "round", it's not the full spreadsheet. Due to the lack of any receipts I can't know what is or isn't correct, but I can make a wild assumption about round numbers.1 PHP = 0.020 USD means all together $377.56
No way!
We are taking about 2.12264434 BTC at btc price between $10k to $65k+ I believe?
I should have saved the spreadsheet.
It’s been days and they all aren’t replying...
What are the odds they all stop posting and stay offline at the same time? 
It’s been days and they all aren’t replying...
You can find the sheet here- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z3nZePiflhAuPh6y_f9LxmL1997vdfeYsQo_hUyspT8/edit?usp=sharing
Is this spreadsheet created by you based on information you provided in this post, or it's coming from original Charity team?Did you read the below quoted post? Please read if you haven’t. I had a look on the spreadsheet and found this without spending much time.
I just had a quick look on the spreadsheet.
I was sent this spreadsheet this morning. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/119Y3xOq4FzUhXKyPN11N_Mtwn37VmkqUj2IQiBi08pQ/edit?fbclid=IwAR1BDCGvy_ohYhRq6AMigOoo0gvY15hYS3Oxl4b3xBuJsAyBgXYjAg1ZwxU#gid=1160771654
This is obviously different from previous spreadsheet and I can't access it because it's locked for reading and I don't have google account here.Can someone post screenshot or transfer data to other document that is open for reading, if it's not erased or locked.
the document is locked and no longer available. I opened it for a moment when Yahoo had just shared it here, but it was awkward for me to watch anything on the mobile phone.
they didn't seem to expect yahoo to share it here, so in the end, it is still locked.
I guess less transparent can't be.
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I was sent this spreadsheet this morning. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/119Y3xOq4FzUhXKyPN11N_Mtwn37VmkqUj2IQiBi08pQ/edit?fbclid=IwAR1BDCGvy_ohYhRq6AMigOoo0gvY15hYS3Oxl4b3xBuJsAyBgXYjAg1ZwxU#gid=1160771654
I cannot verify the amounts spent are correct. This is from cabalism13
The spreadsheet is asking for access. Why can't we make is public?I cannot verify the amounts spent are correct. This is from cabalism13
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These numbers are in USD or in their local currency?
I'm guessing it's in PHP.800 + 1200 + 1600 + 1800 + 650 + 1400 + 8500 + 1500 +1000 + 500 = 18,950
1 PHP = 0.020 USD means all together $377.56
No way!
We are taking about 2.12264434 BTC at btc price between $10k to $65k+ I believe?
Someone could even hold grudge and complain about donations for bitcointalk forum and paying for new invisible forum software
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