I followed this topic closely and it's sad to see again members with good reputation being on the edge of ruining it themselves in a second. Nevertheless, yahoo's and others' questions are pertinent and demand answers.
It's also interesting to see that the members running this charity still talk about their next events like everything is in order. I am also eager to see what will happen after the deadline mentioned by cabalism...
However, what I find to be even more interesting is the total amount of money debated. While some talk about 2 BTC and others about 0.4 BTC or smaller amounts, if you take a look again at the last screenshot posted by yahoo in OP, you can see this dialog:
cabalism13: "And lastly afaik, that last money was transferred to bank's Binance address and was converted I think about ~350k".
yahoo62272: "350k? I didn't think the balance was that high. Under 2 BTC last I remember".
cabalism13: "It was".
Now perhaps this went unnoticed, as I did not see anybody talking about this amount, or maybe I misunderstood the conversation, but from what I see here, the total amount would be "350k" which, I assume, represents "350.000 USD"? If this is so, then this is (or should be) a game changer. Because 0.4 BTC or even 2 BTC, even at current price or even at ATH are not even remotely close to this amount of money. Does this amount still exist?
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I'm not seeing the connection between the boards I have on ignore and my feelings toward one member (cabalism13) who's obviously guilty of misappropriating funds. As far as red being irresistible...come on. Are you seriously criticizing me for tagging him? Why in the world would I not? And it's not as if I've been on a tagging spree lately, which you can verify by taking a look at my sent feedback.
As things stand @cabalism13 has admitted to using $500 for personal use which is completely inappropriate - but I can understand the life or death situation of a family member - wouldn't most of us here do the same and then return that funds back? You have the right as a DT member to leave the fedback you want, but I was confident that everyone would wait for the final outcome - especially since we now know that the Philippines was recently hit by a typhoon.
I get that you want to give all three members the benefit of the doubt, but with cabalism13 there's no doubt about what he's admitted to doing, and I suspect there's more layers of this stinky onion that have yet to be peeled away.
Can you clarify what exactly you mean by "more layers of this stinky onion that have yet to be peeled away"? Do you think there is anyone other than the three members of the forum who participated in this and got some financial benefit?
You're right, but I felt I needed to reply to Lucius, and I also need to state that I don't have a problem with him and never did--and I'm not going to bicker with him about this, and I'm sorry his money was involved in this thing.
Technically speaking, I donated a few times at the beginning of the campaign - and I was pleased with how the money was spent, everything was very well documented. After someone started donating 1 BTC, it no longer made sense to donate smaller amounts until that large amount was spent.
Lucius, let's agree that we have two different reactions as to what's going on in this thread and leave it at that, eh? I'd shake your hand and buy you a beer if I could.
Of course, as I have already written, it is difficult for me to accept that such a good thing as charity could turn into something we have to discuss in this way. Especially when it comes to people who have been esteemed members of this community so far, and I still hope that they can justify this status at least to some extent - although each day of silence only heightens the suspicion.
Thanks for the offer for beer, I would accept the offer if I was not a few thousand kilometers away and besides I can't leave the country because I don't have a covid passport
Frankly, I did not read all messages and follow a whole case here. I know my post can not help to resolve it for cabalism13 but I have something to say.
First, in my opinion, he made bad decisions and the only things to do is resolve the case with exactly a leftover of charity fund before any wrong decisions were made.
Second, I can say something he said is true but as said, I completely knows that it does not mean anything to resolve this case.
Months ago, when I contacted cabalism13, he told me that his Mom was infected, hospitalized, etc. and he superb worried about that.
Again, run charity and use charity fund transparently and well are different things I know.
Only one thing I can verify, his father had bad health issues months ago. Not only me, I think DarkStar_ can verify it as well. I believe cabalism13 actually told it with DarkStar_ as well in his loans with DarkStar_
Again, as said, it does not help to resolve this case. Only cabalism13 can do it. Refund the charity address, provide receipts, balance sheet, etc.
I doubt that if he did not clearly have plans to manage such thing, now he will not be able to provide all receipts, etc.
Even if cabalism13 resolves this case somehow, his reputation would be harmed. That is bad and I don't expect it.
Sum up, I felt that cabalism13 is a good guy with good heart but he did make serious mistakes that should be fixed!
To cabalism13, I do it proactively for all things we have together so far. I know it can not help you anyway but deeply in my heart, I think I have to say something I know rather than keep silence.
First, in my opinion, he made bad decisions and the only things to do is resolve the case with exactly a leftover of charity fund before any wrong decisions were made.
Second, I can say something he said is true but as said, I completely knows that it does not mean anything to resolve this case.
To cut it short, BUSY,... (you can find my position on Paxful, tran can verify that)
Cabalism13 and me have been working in Paxful since 2020. I started there on May 2020 and cabalism13 even started before me. He invited me to join Paxful as community manager.Quote
The activity stopped on June, due to pandemic and several lockdowns here in the philippines and due to the continuous grow of BTC we decided not to turn it back into crypto and just make use of it whenever and wherever they see fit.
We talked about that many times and he sent me many photos that he is preparing things for charity. I appreciated what he and his team did and somewhat they really did charity activities. Additionally, they still did charity operations even months after the pandemic appearance and I don't know when it stopped but in chat with me, he said multiple times that Covid-19 was worse in his nation. I knew it on media as well. Phillipines had worse situation even before Vietnam, a few months perhaps. In Vietnam, we had serious lockdown since August this year.Months ago, when I contacted cabalism13, he told me that his Mom was infected, hospitalized, etc. and he superb worried about that.
Again, run charity and use charity fund transparently and well are different things I know.
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My only mistake here is not updating and giving the proof and receipts
It is what cabalism13 and his team should do better.Quote
To be honest, yes. I have used 500$ from the funds back then for the medications of my deceased grandfather, I even asked before I did that on my Filipino Community
It's another thing he made bad decision, I agree. It's unacceptable to touch charity fund for reasons are not related to charity I totally agree here.Only one thing I can verify, his father had bad health issues months ago. Not only me, I think DarkStar_ can verify it as well. I believe cabalism13 actually told it with DarkStar_ as well in his loans with DarkStar_
Again, as said, it does not help to resolve this case. Only cabalism13 can do it. Refund the charity address, provide receipts, balance sheet, etc.
I doubt that if he did not clearly have plans to manage such thing, now he will not be able to provide all receipts, etc.
Even if cabalism13 resolves this case somehow, his reputation would be harmed. That is bad and I don't expect it.
Sum up, I felt that cabalism13 is a good guy with good heart but he did make serious mistakes that should be fixed!
To cabalism13, I do it proactively for all things we have together so far. I know it can not help you anyway but deeply in my heart, I think I have to say something I know rather than keep silence.
On the flip side, they did post some proof and images of donating food, helping homeless, helping animal rehabilitation, and last one was posted back in May 2021.
However, I think they should post some proof of transactions, and that can't be so hard to do:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56247230
However, I think they should post some proof of transactions, and that can't be so hard to do:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56247230
Seven random photos of bulk food in shopping trolleys (under the circumstances) without any receipts as "proof of purchase" is not very convincing when you think about it...
The problem with this reasoning is that we can't prove anything as long as they don't provide all data. By that reasoning, they can't be guilty as long as they hide whatever happened. I'd say that shouldn't apply to at least cabalism13 and bl4nkcode: both of them should have made sure this couldn't have happened and both of them should have made sure all expenses were clearly documented. I'm not sure (yet) about crwth's role in all this.
cabalism13 set the thread in motion asking for donations, while bl4nkcode carried the funds (how do we know this? - bl4nkcode signed a message using the actual wallet address for donations). The funds are apparently no longer there.
At this point blame goes cabalism13 - 45% / bl4nkcode - 45% and 10% to crewth for not saying anything.
I will leave the questions and accusations as is, until cabalism provide the whole list of the past transactions and activities in a single sheet.
Also, I apologize for the lack of response and misunderstandings, hope this will be resolve already to clear all the misunderstandings.
Also, I apologize for the lack of response and misunderstandings, hope this will be resolve already to clear all the misunderstandings.
Simple question: - Where's the money?
On the contrary, we are giving them plenty of time to justify and document something that, being the handling of funds for a charity, should be already documented and justified, publicly exposed in the charity's thread.
I'm sure they are fully aware of it and doing and compiling it as speak. They got some pretty good reputations here to ruin just by lack of some documents which I assume being worked on already. I think some ducmentations or let say photos of goods has been posted only the tally of funds or receipts in accordance to the money spent were missing. Anyway let's wait patiently. 
I will leave the questions and accusations as is, until cabalism provide the whole list of the past transactions and activities in a single sheet.
Also, I apologize for the lack of response and misunderstandings, hope this will be resolve already to clear all the misunderstandings.
Also, I apologize for the lack of response and misunderstandings, hope this will be resolve already to clear all the misunderstandings.
Yeah, OK. I was waiting for your response and crwth's one but if there has been a typhoon affecting you I can wait as long as necessary.
Anyway, apart from the activities in a sheet, I think you should provide supporting documentation, if not for all, at least for most activities, and it remains to be seen how you justify that a charity in which you were escrow, went on to split the funds between three and accept funds in other cryptocurrencies in addresses that weren't public.
I think we should loosen up a bit here
While I agree in general with what you say, I would not say that we have to loosen up because we have not tightened up. On the contrary, we are giving them plenty of time to justify and document something that, being the handling of funds for a charity, should be already documented and justified, publicly exposed in the charity's thread. I would say on the contrary that we are being quite benevolent and patient with the two of them. Another thing is cabalism13, he is no longer spared, and the last tag by owlcatz is quite expressive.
Incidentally, I looked at their profiles and bl4nkcode hasn't posted anything these days when he usually posts quite a bit. This is total speculation on my part, but it could be that if he thinks he is going to be red tagged maybe he doesn't think it's worth it to keep posting. Obviously, this could be just a coincidence.
Probably a coincidence.Check out:
I feel you, we're in the same boat here, due to the typhoon the whole area I'm located experienced power and internet outage for several days already since the S. typhoon hit the area.
I think we should loosen up a bit here if those guys arent able to respond since Philippines is in really bad shape right now due to the typhoon struck. Some areas on Philippines don't have communication due to heavy hit of the storm. Maybe that's why they aren't responding and taking some action about the incident first. I guess posting here isn't a priority if your family safety is at staked. Your suggested timeline should also consider article below maybe their on the same case.
Check out.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/16/asia/super-typhoon-rai-philippines-intl-hnk/index.html
I will leave the questions and accusations as is, until cabalism provide the whole list of the past transactions and activities in a single sheet.
Also, I apologize for the lack of response and misunderstandings, hope this will be resolve already to clear all the misunderstandings.
Also, I apologize for the lack of response and misunderstandings, hope this will be resolve already to clear all the misunderstandings.
Probably one of the worst typhoons that I have experienced in my life. At least my family and I have survived.
I feel you, we're in the same boat here, due to the typhoon the whole area I'm located experienced power and internet outage for several days already since the S. typhoon hit the area. There will be a distribution or turnover of goods from the charity and other orgs (soon) but will be held in the leyte area only, more particular in the southern part. 
The problem with this reasoning is that we can't prove anything as long as they don't provide all data. By that reasoning, they can't be guilty as long as they hide whatever happened. I'd say that shouldn't apply to at least cabalism13 and bl4nkcode: both of them should have made sure this couldn't have happened and both of them should have made sure all expenses were clearly documented. I'm not sure (yet) about crwth's role in all this.
C13 has clearly used the privilege against self-incrimination, and there is nothing we can do at this point but watch and wait for the drama to die, unless we want to use vigilante justice, which is still awful and unlawfuland giving a date, as I said before.
Incidentally, I looked at their profiles and bl4nkcode hasn't posted anything these days when he usually posts quite a bit. This is total speculation on my part, but it could be that if he thinks he is going to be red tagged maybe he doesn't think it's worth it to keep posting. Obviously, this could be just a coincidence.
I also looked at his activity on the forum since the thread was started, and he's only made 1 post on this thread and 16 others outside of it, indicating that he is unconcerned about the thread and the potential consequences. Too bad he (they) made us all look stupid because they clearly don't care what we say or do.Incidentally, I looked at their profiles and bl4nkcode hasn't posted anything these days when he usually posts quite a bit. This is total speculation on my part, but it could be that if he thinks he is going to be red tagged maybe he doesn't think it's worth it to keep posting. Obviously, this could be just a coincidence.
Should we say they're buying time because the charity thread is still idle and no photographs or statistics on how the money was used are not shown
Probably one of the worst typhoons that I have experienced in my life. At least my family and I have survived.
I'm glad your family is safe, sorry for the lost of properties for, these are things beyond our human control. 
This is total speculation on my part, but it could be that if he thinks he is going to be red tagged maybe he doesn't think it's worth it to keep posting. Obviously, this could be just a coincidence.
Not necessarily. Maybe he is sincerely preparing the accounting part which is more important for his reputation than any other works he has. I wouldn’t be so optimistic on this. I used to believe bl4nkcode as escrow though his role in this charity is now questionable. Either way, we should give them time to present themselves instead of speculation. 
A little off-topic though, not part of the liquidation or audit process/discussion.
The Philippines now is hit by a super Typhoon Rai or Odette, I think if there's still funds remaining, they can use it to help the victims.
Super Typhoon Rai slams into the Philippines as tens of thousands evacuate
This is a super Typhoon as strong as Typhoon Haiyan which destroys Leyte last 2013, so Filipinos really need help.
The Philippines now is hit by a super Typhoon Rai or Odette, I think if there's still funds remaining, they can use it to help the victims.
Super Typhoon Rai slams into the Philippines as tens of thousands evacuate
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(CNN)Super Typhoon Rai, known locally as Odette, slammed into the eastern coast of the Philippines on Thursday afternoon, bringing torrential rain and the threat of widespread flooding across the archipelago.
The storm intensified rapidly as it approached the coast, strengthening from a Category 1 to a Category 5 storm in just 24 hours.
By the time it made landfall on Siargao Island, a popular tourist and surfing destination on the central east coast, the storm had reached sustained winds of 260 kilometers per hour (160 miles per hour) with gusts over 300 kilometers per hour (185 miles per hour).
The storm intensified rapidly as it approached the coast, strengthening from a Category 1 to a Category 5 storm in just 24 hours.
By the time it made landfall on Siargao Island, a popular tourist and surfing destination on the central east coast, the storm had reached sustained winds of 260 kilometers per hour (160 miles per hour) with gusts over 300 kilometers per hour (185 miles per hour).
This is a super Typhoon as strong as Typhoon Haiyan which destroys Leyte last 2013, so Filipinos really need help.
Speaking of the Typhoon Odette, I was one of the greatly affected. The super typhoon directly hit my city causing extreme damages. As early as 9 PM Philippines time, the entire city has gone blackout. Now around 11 PM onward, we've felt the extreme strong winds and rains (and caused one of my glass tiles to fell down and break) and other stuff stored at the back we're being blown away like crazy.
This is currently outside of my home. The tree fell just a few feet away from our property. The most important thing is that my family and I are safe as we just stayed home and hang on for dear life. Luckily that our roof wasn't blown away unlike the others. Electricity has also restored here in the area, but there are majority of other areas whose electricity aren't restored yet as it's announcement that they're working on it and estimate completion would be 2-3 days.
Earlier my cousin called me if he can stay in our home for the meantime because his home has no electricity and his room's roof was completely rip apart by the super typhoon. My friend from the other city in the province also reached me out for help as his home was completely destroyed. I just donated to him via online payment because they're running out of food and supplies. As for my other relatives and friends, they have said that their roof was gone, experiencing flash floods, etc. Others who are in the province are still asking help to be rescued, their homes are completely gone, etc.
Probably one of the worst typhoons that I have experienced in my life. At least my family and I have survived.
I'm not sure (yet) about crwth's role in all this.
I'd say he's the one most likely to come out of this all right. And the one who responded best, offering to provide the necessary information
... their breakdown with the funds that were gotten for activities. I have mine and just need to input it into the final spreadsheet.
and giving a date, as I said before.
Incidentally, I looked at their profiles and bl4nkcode hasn't posted anything these days when he usually posts quite a bit. This is total speculation on my part, but it could be that if he thinks he is going to be red tagged maybe he doesn't think it's worth it to keep posting. Obviously, this could be just a coincidence.
I don’t dispute the fact that things happened that shouldn’t have happened, but also that everyone should be admitted not guilty until proven otherwise
The problem with this reasoning is that we can't prove anything as long as they don't provide all data. By that reasoning, they can't be guilty as long as they hide whatever happened. I'd say that shouldn't apply to at least cabalism13 and bl4nkcode: both of them should have made sure this couldn't have happened and both of them should have made sure all expenses were clearly documented. I'm not sure (yet) about crwth's role in all this. 
For a person who has 80% forum boards on ignore (including the Service board until a few days ago), it's a little weird that you're the loudest in the Reputation board, as well as firing the first DT shot while everyone else waits for the final outcome. Red is irresistible, isn't it?
I'm not seeing the connection between the boards I have on ignore and my feelings toward one member (cabalism13) who's obviously guilty of misappropriating funds. As far as red being irresistible...come on. Are you seriously criticizing me for tagging him? Why in the world would I not? And it's not as if I've been on a tagging spree lately, which you can verify by taking a look at my sent feedback. I get that you want to give all three members the benefit of the doubt, but with cabalism13 there's no doubt about what he's admitted to doing, and I suspect there's more layers of this stinky onion that have yet to be peeled away. I haven't tagged the crwth or bL4nkcode yet, because I'm awaiting their responses and it may turn out that they can provide an explanation for what they did and account for the funds that were split amongst them that wouldn't justify a neg.
Also, if you donated to this charity I'd expect you (or anyone else who did) to be at least as "loud" as me.
Hey guys, better if we don't get into personal comments here.
You're right, but I felt I needed to reply to Lucius, and I also need to state that I don't have a problem with him and never did--and I'm not going to bicker with him about this, and I'm sorry his money was involved in this thing. Lucius, let's agree that we have two different reactions as to what's going on in this thread and leave it at that, eh? I'd shake your hand and buy you a beer if I could. 
A little off-topic though, not part of the liquidation or audit process/discussion.
The Philippines now is hit by a super Typhoon Rai or Odette, I think if there's still funds remaining, they can use it to help the victims.
Super Typhoon Rai slams into the Philippines as tens of thousands evacuate
This is a super Typhoon as strong as Typhoon Haiyan which destroys Leyte last 2013, so Filipinos really need help.
Not to take away from the charity or what it does, but personally I think they need to worry about showing their past actions and providing an accurrate account of the spending before another dime is spent.The Philippines now is hit by a super Typhoon Rai or Odette, I think if there's still funds remaining, they can use it to help the victims.
Super Typhoon Rai slams into the Philippines as tens of thousands evacuate
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(CNN)Super Typhoon Rai, known locally as Odette, slammed into the eastern coast of the Philippines on Thursday afternoon, bringing torrential rain and the threat of widespread flooding across the archipelago.
The storm intensified rapidly as it approached the coast, strengthening from a Category 1 to a Category 5 storm in just 24 hours.
By the time it made landfall on Siargao Island, a popular tourist and surfing destination on the central east coast, the storm had reached sustained winds of 260 kilometers per hour (160 miles per hour) with gusts over 300 kilometers per hour (185 miles per hour).
The storm intensified rapidly as it approached the coast, strengthening from a Category 1 to a Category 5 storm in just 24 hours.
By the time it made landfall on Siargao Island, a popular tourist and surfing destination on the central east coast, the storm had reached sustained winds of 260 kilometers per hour (160 miles per hour) with gusts over 300 kilometers per hour (185 miles per hour).
This is a super Typhoon as strong as Typhoon Haiyan which destroys Leyte last 2013, so Filipinos really need help.
The accounting should be the priority, but they can do it all together as it's easy to account transactions especially if the ones who would account are the ones who initiate or do the transactions. Cabalism13 per his post, said that his wife is a bookkeeper, so accounting should not be a problem on his side.
My wife is currently a BOOKKEEPER on a Bank,
A little off-topic though, not part of the liquidation or audit process/discussion.
The Philippines now is hit by a super Typhoon Rai or Odette, I think if there's still funds remaining, they can use it to help the victims.
Super Typhoon Rai slams into the Philippines as tens of thousands evacuate
This is a super Typhoon as strong as Typhoon Haiyan which destroys Leyte last 2013, so Filipinos really need help.
Not to take away from the charity or what it does, but personally I think they need to worry about showing their past actions and providing an accurrate account of the spending before another dime is spent. The Philippines now is hit by a super Typhoon Rai or Odette, I think if there's still funds remaining, they can use it to help the victims.
Super Typhoon Rai slams into the Philippines as tens of thousands evacuate
Quote
(CNN)Super Typhoon Rai, known locally as Odette, slammed into the eastern coast of the Philippines on Thursday afternoon, bringing torrential rain and the threat of widespread flooding across the archipelago.
The storm intensified rapidly as it approached the coast, strengthening from a Category 1 to a Category 5 storm in just 24 hours.
By the time it made landfall on Siargao Island, a popular tourist and surfing destination on the central east coast, the storm had reached sustained winds of 260 kilometers per hour (160 miles per hour) with gusts over 300 kilometers per hour (185 miles per hour).
The storm intensified rapidly as it approached the coast, strengthening from a Category 1 to a Category 5 storm in just 24 hours.
By the time it made landfall on Siargao Island, a popular tourist and surfing destination on the central east coast, the storm had reached sustained winds of 260 kilometers per hour (160 miles per hour) with gusts over 300 kilometers per hour (185 miles per hour).
This is a super Typhoon as strong as Typhoon Haiyan which destroys Leyte last 2013, so Filipinos really need help.
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Hey guys, better if we don't get into personal comments here.
I understand that in reputation threads it is easier to end up getting into personal comments than if you are discussing, for example, the price of Bitcoin. It happened to me recently.
Let's leave this thread to see if the three people involved give sufficient explanations and if not everyone can take whatever action they see fit.
Are we both reading the same thread? Stealing from a charity isn't a life circumstance that could happen to any of us, if only because not everyone will ever have control over the entire amount of money donated by others for charitable purposes. Cabalism13 isn't going to be able to wiggle his way out of this one, but I'll be very interested to see what the other two end up saying and doing.
We read the same thread, but from a different perspective. I actively participated as a donor in this charity, and I had the opportunity to get to know a little better the people who organized it, especially @cabalism13. I don’t dispute the fact that things happened that shouldn’t have happened, but also that everyone should be admitted not guilty until proven otherwise - but some are guided by the “shoot first, then ask questions” principle.
For a person who has 80% forum boards on ignore (including the Service board until a few days ago), it's a little weird that you're the loudest in the Reputation board, as well as firing the first DT shot while everyone else waits for the final outcome. Red is irresistible, isn't it?
Are we even sure there will be anymore responses from them in this thread? Been a few days and there has been plenty of time to present evidence of activities, proofs of funds and where they went, or anything else relevant.
Ho Ho Ho...Let's wait until mid January 2022, holiday season started like C13 said after he rested his case and wished us all a happy holidays
Are we even sure there will be anymore responses from them in this thread? Been a few days and there has been plenty of time to present evidence of activities, proofs of funds and where they went, or anything else relevant.
According to crwth:
As for some updates with charity, I have some remaining funds for the last remaining activity that I have reserved for the holidays. It will be on December 19. I'll update the charity thread by then.
I do hope everything clears out by then.
I do hope everything clears out by then.
I am going to give him until December 20 to see what he says. And since I'm going to give him until that date, I'm going to wait until the same day to see if bL4nkcode gives reasonable explanations. Being the escrow, I think he has more to explain than crwth.
I've already tagged cabalism13 (second after The Pharmacist three days ago).
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