Hm. What are the chip pinouts, protocols, and voltages required to fire it? I may have just the board to put 8 of these chips on............
As far as I know BitFury has not even released said info for their 28nm chip. (If I'm wrong, someone please to point where it is...) Even as a preliminary-spec sure as hell aren't going to release info on the 16nm chip... 
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Most, but definitely not all.
Everyone seems to talk about decentralization and how much they care about bitcoin, but then do the opposite. One of the main reasons I mine with a certain pool and not others.
Few people in this sub care about Bitcoin, most just care about making money.
The new chip/miner design is so simple, that even a DIY at home is very easy! That's why Bitfury are so sure, there will be miners available at the end of March, just because there is not much to do.
Do your kids like LEGO? Do you want a LEGO type miner? Just put together the parts and start mining - even a kid could do it!
Hm. What are the chip pinouts, protocols, and voltages required to fire it? I may have just the board to put 8 of these chips on............Do your kids like LEGO? Do you want a LEGO type miner? Just put together the parts and start mining - even a kid could do it!
Everyone seems to talk about decentralization and how much they care about bitcoin, but then do the opposite. One of the main reasons I mine with a certain pool and not others.
Not quite sure why everyone is surprised that a Manufacturer does not deal with individual customers? It's the same with most everything else we buy from Cars to Televisions. I assume that Dealers & Retailers will emerge for us to buy from?
Rich
Rich
When the Manufacturer claims that he is trying to help with decentralization, I do expect that he will deal with individual customers. Considering the variety of members I don't think that you can get better decentralization than here. But when the Manufacturer prefers to deal only with large customers I can only say that they have LIED.
If they don't want to deal with individual sales then setup vetted distributors to take the hassle of dealing with The Public. There are reputable folks here itchin' to do that with the BTC in-hand to do some decent size outright chip buys or-- AFTER proof of them working outside of a lab -- handle group-financed buys.
Not to mention, um privately let a few folks here who know what they are doing have a few engineering/sales samples along with chip data sheets and any other useful tips/info that would come in handy. Enough so they can initially at least make a full-up POC 2-4TH/s miner for the Community. As in most likely those involved eventually releasing all final design data or at least enough for DIY's to play with after fair recompense for time/effort/blood, sweat and tears involved in the process is garnered though sales..
Not quite sure why everyone is surprised that a Manufacturer does not deal with individual customers? It's the same with most everything else we buy from Cars to Televisions. I assume that Dealers & Retailers will emerge for us to buy from?
Rich
Rich
When the Manufacturer claims that he is trying to help with decentralization, I do expect that he will deal with individual customers. Considering the variety of members I don't think that you can get better decentralization than here. But when the Manufacturer prefers to deal only with large customers I can only say that they have LIED.
Btw bitmaintech is taking money for presales as I do not think they have shipped since February
I am glad you bring this up. So far I have yet to hear or read any info on batch ten shipping.
Btw bitmaintech is taking money for presales as I do not think they have shipped since February
I ran two group buys for avalon6 sold 17 then 18. We could do one right now. But pricing is not acceptable.
875 is too high. But the gear is for sale to the public.
Btw bitmaintech is taking money for presales as I do not think they have shipped since February
875 is too high. But the gear is for sale to the public.
Btw bitmaintech is taking money for presales as I do not think they have shipped since February
Avalon uses a third-party reseller (at least for orders outside China, not sure about inside) with a MOQ of 10 units. Not openly small-customer hostile, but not exactly friendly either.
I know the A2 is an Innosilicon chip, but is the Terminator an Innosilicon product or built by a third party? Also, pretty sure that's a scrypt miner so not bitcoin (just covering technicalities).
I know the A2 is an Innosilicon chip, but is the Terminator an Innosilicon product or built by a third party? Also, pretty sure that's a scrypt miner so not bitcoin (just covering technicalities).
Well we had more dealers and resellers, but then manufacturers started selling direct (and undercutting the dealers) and kinda killed off a lot of 'em.
For now at least the only one standing from all that and willing to sell ready-to-run rigs to the Public is Bitmain.
Avalon counts right now, though they don't seem to be repricing the Avalon 6 to keep it at all competative.
Innosilicon counted 'till very recently (both their A2 Terminators and their Farm Boys, 'till they ran out of inventory on the A2 chips to make those with).
Very soon IN THEORY, BW.com (which is part-owned by Lketc, so they sorta-count) if and when they start selling the B-Eleven publicly.
The list IS short, but it's not JUST Bitmain.
Now we just have to see the BitFury 16nm chip in other hands and running at full speed on full boards.
Have you seen this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitfury-designs-released-under-cc-by-sa-1360038 and the files from http://dl.bitfury.com/28nm/ ?
The new chip/miner design is so simple, that even a DIY at home is very easy! That's why Bitfury are so sure, there will be miners available at the end of March, just because there is not much to do.
Do your kids like LEGO? Do you want a LEGO type miner? Just put together the parts and start mining - even a kid could do it!
Not quite sure why everyone is surprised that a Manufacturer does not deal with individual customers? It's the same with most everything else we buy from Cars to Televisions. I assume that Dealers & Retailers will emerge for us to buy from?
Rich
Agreed. Just try and buy the latest chips (or any at all) directly from Intel, AMD,etc and unless you are stocking a very large DC, after snickering they will point you to PCMall or such.Rich
As long as Bitmain doesn't immediately crush any thought of building a miner for less than they can sell their next one for, even on a smaller volume scale, then there is still a chance for Something Else, eg the BtiFury chip sold to integrators/distributors. Now we just have to see the BitFury 16nm chip in other hands and running at full speed on full boards.
Well we had more dealers and resellers, but then manufacturers started selling direct (and undercutting the dealers) and kinda killed off a lot of 'em.
Aye, that they did. Thing is, to paraphrase what was said in the BitFury link above, the Pulbic can be a ravanous mob when things don't go exactly as planned. AM, AMT/Bitmine.ch, BFL and others showed that very well and publicly. By not selling ready to run rigs to the public BitFury avoided all that pain and kept it to themselves and their private investors.For now at least the only one standing from all that and willing to sell ready-to-run rigs to the Public is Bitmain. Why? Without getting nit-picky about it, a. They don't do pre-orders (with the public at least) on chips/rigs that don't exist outside of a lab yet like the others did. b. They don't start drumming up interest in upcoming miners before really ready to ship. And along that, also bleeding dry the last stock of chips they have of a family step.
Put the two together and they (Bitmain) are freed from forcing a product out the door before it has a decent chance of working as-advertised. Yes they have DOA's from time to time but considering the huge # of miners they build per run, I'll give them that.
Well we had more dealers and resellers, but then manufacturers started selling direct (and undercutting the dealers) and kinda killed off a lot of 'em.
I hope sometime they will move to smaller customers
I doubt it.
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“We decided to not deal with thousands of small clients, because it’s a headache. The headache you get from small clients who are paying $5 is much bigger, because for him $5 is the last money. For a big client, $1m, $5m – it’s nothing because he has another $5m.”
http://www.logicoins.org/bitfury-ceo-were-not-a-bitcoin-mining-company/
Sorry for the language
Not quite sure why everyone is surprised that a Manufacturer does not deal with individual customers? It's the same with most everything else we buy from Cars to Televisions. I assume that Dealers & Retailers will emerge for us to buy from?
Rich
Rich
I hope sometime they will move to smaller customers
I doubt it.
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“We decided to not deal with thousands of small clients, because it’s a headache. The headache you get from small clients who are paying $5 is much bigger, because for him $5 is the last money. For a big client, $1m, $5m – it’s nothing because he has another $5m.”
http://www.logicoins.org/bitfury-ceo-were-not-a-bitcoin-mining-company/
I said the container costs $8 million
I wish they would finally come up with a reliable quote. All attempts to get any information from them were ignored until now...
I think the problem is people email them that simply have no where near the capital to be buyers. If only serious buyers would ask for quotes it would be much different.
But now I think they have to weed out the real customers with lot's of backing, from home/hobby miners. And once they do get a customer like this I have no doubt a NDA is signed to keep their secrets secret. Which makes sense from being a private company competing against others.
I hope sometime they will move to smaller customers, but I think big customers take first place.... which makes sense financially. Our main hope is some company buy's bulk chips and releases a miner to us hobby miners I think. Although I would love if Bitfury did it direct to hobby miners on a miner.
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