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Topic: Bitstarz Removes 3.45 Btc Balance According to Breaking Bonus Terms - page 8. (Read 11042 times)

hero member
Activity: 896
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I knew it for a long time Bitstarz are scammers just yesterday they stole me 0.08 btc, i will not put more details but "mike" the hero supporter know about it.

Hi there,

I'd like to throw some light on this situation as I think that when someone uses the word "scammer" I always appreciate
it's being presented with some kind of evidence too. We all want a fair gaming situation here and it's important that if
there are any experienced issues, this should be presented in the open with a fair argument so we can work it out as
civilized people.

In your case (if I recall correctly) you were playing rounds to a total of 0.08 BTC and the your got disconnected for some
reason, and the came to talk to us on the live chat claiming you got disconnected and now the slot "forgot your 0.08 BTC
you put in" and you had to start all over. So, let's kill a myth right here, it has absolutely nothing to do with the progress
of your continued playing unless there's a progress feature in the game such as in Immortal Romance where you collect
achievements and whatnot. I do apologize for the disconnection however as I know it's quite frustrating when you're
in the middle of something.

Also, the argument that we sat there and waited for you and disconnected you on purpose, I'm sorry mate but that's not
the case either.

I'm happy to answer any questions any of you have, but I think it's fair for both of us, player and operator that we play with
open cards (pun intended for sure) before we throw out words as liars and scammers. Let's keep this friendly and to the point.

Regards,

Mike


You are "happy" to answer questions. FYI, your victims need ACTION and not happily-answered questions, you fraudster!

Pay your customers and stop stealing from them! Aren't you ashamed of putting food in your stomach (and those of your family, if you have any) using money you defrauded your customers of?

newbie
Activity: 17
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hero member
Activity: 798
Merit: 503
In all this all I can add is, bitstarz exploited the terms to the disadvantage of Op which is not good from the point I'm looking at it BITSTARZ owe him to install a notification that he is going above the limit not to hide inside a tiny term that even 99% of the players there does not even bother to read. And good for you to have exploited it but you made more damage than what you withheld from him and I am sure it has cost you a lot...
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
Why did bitstarz casino accept bet higher than 0.025 if they are against bitstarz casino TOS?
If bitstarz accept any bet higher than 0.025 that means TOS is not valid. Second, if you accept bet that means you(Bitstarz casino) agrees that player can put bet higher in TOS(Because you took players bet as valid in that moment he put that bet on table).

You don't have any warnings for maximum bets, and you don't have any restrictions in your games, so ALL BETS ARE VALID!

In other hand, you can change your TOS in next 5 min, and write there: bets higher than 0.00000001BTC are against our rules, and in that point you can clear all users accounts!


Imagine, you walk into a real(not online) casino, put your bets, win some money, and than bouncer come and kick you out of casino saying you bet more money than its in their TOS!

hero member
Activity: 1232
Merit: 503
I'll just give this a bump.
I was just browsing through the gambling section and came across this.
I read the whole thread. I actually had no idea there where issues like this with Bitstarz.

That is a well-deserved red trust.     

same thing i read all of the pages it only takes a minute so im impressed betking actually gave his 3 btc bitstarz also scammed 20 btc from a guy here in bitcointalk it seems they changed their rules
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 503
Crypto.games
I'll just give this a bump.
I was just browsing through the gambling section and came across this.
I read the whole thread. I actually had no idea there where issues like this with Bitstarz.

That is a well-deserved red trust.     
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
But I think the real reason is pretty apparent, bitstarz wants players to break the rules so that down the line if they win money can they confiscate all the players money and cite their ToS.

Yeah, that is some shady shit.
They let you bet an amount, accept the bet, knowing that its breaking the rules, so they can take your money.

I would definitely avoid this site.
If they are pulling things like this, there is no telling what else is going on behind the scenes.
It's poor management, rules, and user interface at best. At worst its total fraud.
legendary
Activity: 1463
Merit: 1886
Or you just play by the rules at Bitstarz. Every online casino has their own terms and conditions to abide by. If you are not willing to do so then you can't complain when they take back your balance due to breaking the terms set by that casino. It's pretty simple actually. And also don't use bonuses. That's where most of the problems occur. People get greedy though and take the bonus then overbet the terms allowed and come here crying when the casino revokes the balance and winnings.

I have trouble believing that a rational and impartial person could believe that it's ok for a casino to knowingly accept a bet that is "against the rules" which then they can use down the line to take the entire sum of a players money (even unrelated winnings and balance). The reality is players are never going to read every single dot point of the ToS, and if your UI allows them to make a certain type of bet, they will make that type of bet. None of the players are trying to defraud or do anything wrong, they're just trying to gamble and accidentally break these rules.

And if betting more than X is such a grave violation of the rules that it demands a player be punished by having their entire balance taken -- don't you think that bitstarz should add code to prevent players doing it? All this pain could simply be prevented with just two lines of code and it would never happen again. It doesn't even need to be handled gracefully, the server should just not process it.

But I think the real reason is pretty apparent, bitstarz wants players to break the rules so that down the line if they win money can they confiscate all the players money and cite their ToS.
sr. member
Activity: 337
Merit: 253
That is really bad to remove your balance this way, they should pay player their winnings, I think best is to avoid Bitstarz after listening to so much bad review from many players.

Or you just play by the rules at Bitstarz. Every online casino has their own terms and conditions to abide by. If you are not willing to do so then you can't complain when they take back your balance due to breaking the terms set by that casino. It's pretty simple actually. And also don't use bonuses. That's where most of the problems occur. People get greedy though and take the bonus then overbet the terms allowed and come here crying when the casino revokes the balance and winnings.
staff
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That is really bad to remove your balance this way, they should pay player their winnings, I think best is to avoid Bitstarz after listening to so much bad review from many players.
hero member
Activity: 1008
Merit: 1012
That is a considerable amount to lose and surprised they did come to an agreement to atleast allow to take half of the balance and not take it all.
Very sad because now this casino will have a reputation that many will consider when they are looking to join a new casino site and will turn away instantly from this one when they see it.
Nobody would want to see themselves being a situation like this one.
legendary
Activity: 2198
Merit: 1014
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Hello

I really can't believe you are willing to send my stolen funds. OMG

Here is my btc address

1Pb4m9dPYhyegUruhwKysw5nuZarULGmCP

Let's see what happens Smiley

Hi,

I just sent you 3.45 Bitcoin to the address you provided.

Good luck

WOW  Shocked

Blown away by BetKing here - amazing move!

WOW, betking paid 3.45 btc for a huge advertisement of his site. That site must be very legit.

It is one of the most trusted bitcoin casinos. I am sure he did not pay him for advertisement purposes.
hero member
Activity: 609
Merit: 500
Hello

I really can't believe you are willing to send my stolen funds. OMG

Here is my btc address

1Pb4m9dPYhyegUruhwKysw5nuZarULGmCP

Let's see what happens Smiley

Hi,

I just sent you 3.45 Bitcoin to the address you provided.

Good luck

WOW  Shocked

Blown away by BetKing here - amazing move!

WOW, betking paid 3.45 btc for a huge advertisement of his site. That site must be very legit.
legendary
Activity: 1043
Merit: 1032
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Hello

I really can't believe you are willing to send my stolen funds. OMG

Here is my btc address

1Pb4m9dPYhyegUruhwKysw5nuZarULGmCP

Let's see what happens Smiley

Hi,

I just sent you 3.45 Bitcoin to the address you provided.

Good luck

WOW  Shocked

Blown away by BetKing here - amazing move!
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1005
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I don't agree that these terms are unreasonable, but in the interest of fairness, it is unprofessional for Bitstarz to remove the entire balance because the player made higher bets (less than 30% too) without being aware of the terms.

I think it's a lot more than unprofessional, it's unethical and scammy.

For instance, my site rules say you can't bet more than 1 BTC. I'm not comfortable with the variance of bets bigger than that (since our edge is so low). So what do we do? We don't allow people to make the bet. If you try, the server will reject the bet (regardless if it would've been a win or loss).  If it were Bitstarz they'd allow people to make the bet and then if person happened to win too much over the coarse of playing, check their history for rule violations and use that an excuse to seize the whole account (even if it wasn't material to the win)


As they've done it multiple times, and repeatedly defend that behavior -- I guess they've made a business decision to be a scammy casino.

I agree. It is unprofessional, unethical and scammy. ;(
legendary
Activity: 1463
Merit: 1886
I don't agree that these terms are unreasonable, but in the interest of fairness, it is unprofessional for Bitstarz to remove the entire balance because the player made higher bets (less than 30% too) without being aware of the terms.

I think it's a lot more than unprofessional, it's unethical and scammy.

For instance, my site rules say you can't bet more than 1 BTC. I'm not comfortable with the variance of bets bigger than that (since our edge is so low). So what do we do? We don't allow people to make the bet. If you try, the server will reject the bet (regardless if it would've been a win or loss).  If it were Bitstarz they'd allow people to make the bet and then if person happened to win too much over the coarse of playing, check their history for rule violations and use that an excuse to seize the whole account (even if it wasn't material to the win)


As they've done it multiple times, and repeatedly defend that behavior -- I guess they've made a business decision to be a scammy casino.
legendary
Activity: 1302
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Whynthe does it matter what you bet ? If you go all in and lose that's it. Ita much harder winning by using bigger bets then smaller ones so I have no idea what this casino is talking about. They just making excuses not to pay. Its fine when you losing money but as soon as you win they get so butthurt. Just wow.

It matters because the higher the bet, the bigger the Return to Player.

For example, a player plays a game with 5% house edge. There are 40 outcomes; multipliers (each with equal probability) - 38, 0, 0, 0, 0 ... 0. (high variance)
A player deposits 0.5, claims 100% bonus, goes YOLO. Repeats 40 times. He loses 39 times but wins once.
Total deposited : 20
Total cashout : 38 - (39 * 0.5 * 0.05) = 37.025
RTP : 185.125%

I don't agree that these terms are unreasonable, but in the interest of fairness, it is unprofessional for Bitstarz to remove the entire balance because the player made higher bets (less than 30% too) without being aware of the terms (they could at least mention it in the bonus/deposit page).
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 500
That's total bullshit. I'm not using them anymore and nor should anyone else. Whynthe does it matter what you bet ? If you go all in and lose that's it. Ita much harder winning by using bigger bets then smaller ones so I have no idea what this casino is talking about. They just making excuses not to pay. Its fine when you losing money but as soon as you win they get so butthurt. Just wow.
newbie
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Merit: 0
Hi worthyou,

As a casino owner who has always made it top priority to provide a trusted and safe place for players to play I am tired of seeing players get screwed over time and time again by other Bitcoin casinos.

In future I would recommend you play only on provably fair sites that have a solid reputation, proven to be trustworthy and no history of withdrawal issues.

There are a few you have been suggested in this thread already and obviously I suggest https://betking.io where we have the highest betting limits, instant withdrawals and proof of funds so you know you will be paid if you win.

I would like to offer you some consolation by sending you 3.45 Bitcoin that you had taken from you unfairly by Bitstarz.

You can either pm me a Bitcoin address or a https://betking.io user id and I can tip it to you on the site. No obligation to play, instant withdrawal if you like.

All the best


Good to see that there is still hope for Bitcoin gaming. I wish someone would have done this when Bitstarz scammed me out of 20 bitcoins the same way as worthyou lol.
hero member
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