I totally agree with every word that the above member has said about the gambling industry.
If they can rake back what a player has won they will do it no matter what. They will always find a way to say that you have broken their set of predetermined rules so you have to forfeit your winnings.
Topic: Bitstarz Removes 3.45 Btc Balance According to Breaking Bonus Terms - page 3. (Read 11028 times)
November 27, 2016, 08:25:04 PM
November 27, 2016, 08:04:33 PM
In my case, it is more important to state that this casino terms had been contradict each other at that time. I mentioned that rule in my first post.
If there were no contradiction, i'd feel better thinking that "i am wrong, i should read/understand better" However at that time this casino had 2 different terms and conditions.
Argument 2 is what they are still lying about to implement "system" to protect users from max bet.
I also went to Askgamblers and CM. They rejected my case instantly. In addition to Dean's argument... He is right. Bitstarz and other scam casino sites hurts bitcoin ecosystem so much. When you check and analyze this topic, you'll see that %90 of users granted me. Dean also paid and reflect like a real honorable human to save bitcoin ecosystem.
However as i stated before, this topic will stay open until they will pay my and other customers' stolen money. I'll pay back this to Dean. This scam "bitstarz" casino should be isoleted from bitcoin ecosystem and every user should be warned about them before deposit.
Quote
Should the Casino become aware of any user who has accepted the bonus or a promotion with sole purpose of creating a positive expected value on bonus return by using known practices aimed at securing a cash out of said bonus or at any way try to take advantage of bonuses received by BitStarz, then BitStarz will enforce immediate confiscation of winnings and closure of the account with the right to withhold any further withdrawals. An example of advantage play would be delaying any game round in any game, including free spins features and bonus features, to a later time when you have no more wagering requirement and/or performing new deposit(s) while having free spins features or bonus features still available in a game. In the interests of fair gaming, equal, zero or low margin bets or hedge betting, shall all be considered irregular gaming for bonus play-through requirement purposes. Other examples of irregular game play include but are not limited to, placing single bets equal to or in excess of 30% or more of the value of the bonus credited to their account until such time as the wagering requirements for that bonus have been met. Should the Casino deem that irregular game play has occurred, the Casino reserves the right to withhold any withdrawals and/or confiscate all winnings.
If there were no contradiction, i'd feel better thinking that "i am wrong, i should read/understand better" However at that time this casino had 2 different terms and conditions.
Argument 2 is what they are still lying about to implement "system" to protect users from max bet.
I also went to Askgamblers and CM. They rejected my case instantly. In addition to Dean's argument... He is right. Bitstarz and other scam casino sites hurts bitcoin ecosystem so much. When you check and analyze this topic, you'll see that %90 of users granted me. Dean also paid and reflect like a real honorable human to save bitcoin ecosystem.
However as i stated before, this topic will stay open until they will pay my and other customers' stolen money. I'll pay back this to Dean. This scam "bitstarz" casino should be isoleted from bitcoin ecosystem and every user should be warned about them before deposit.
The online gambling industry is incredibly shady, that's what is so interesting about bitcoin gambling. The barriers to entry are so much lower which have allowed a younger crowd to enter and build the type of transparent services that didn't exist prior. All deposit bonuses are predatory scams, it's silly for bitstarz to consider themselves a bitcoin casino when they are basically just a run of the mill fiat casino that accepts bitcoin.
November 27, 2016, 05:14:22 PM
In my case, it is more important to state that this casino terms had been contradict each other at that time. I mentioned that rule in my first post.
If there were no contradiction, i'd feel better thinking that "i am wrong, i should read/understand better" However at that time this casino had 2 different terms and conditions.
Argument 2 is what they are still lying about to implement "system" to protect users from max bet.
I also went to Askgamblers and CM. They rejected my case instantly. In addition to Dean's argument... He is right. Bitstarz and other scam casino sites hurts bitcoin ecosystem so much. When you check and analyze this topic, you'll see that %90 of users granted me. Dean also paid and reflect like a real honorable human to save bitcoin ecosystem.
However as i stated before, this topic will stay open until they will pay my and other customers' stolen money. I'll pay back this to Dean. This scam "bitstarz" casino should be isoleted from bitcoin ecosystem and every user should be warned about them before deposit.
Quote
Should the Casino become aware of any user who has accepted the bonus or a promotion with sole purpose of creating a positive expected value on bonus return by using known practices aimed at securing a cash out of said bonus or at any way try to take advantage of bonuses received by BitStarz, then BitStarz will enforce immediate confiscation of winnings and closure of the account with the right to withhold any further withdrawals. An example of advantage play would be delaying any game round in any game, including free spins features and bonus features, to a later time when you have no more wagering requirement and/or performing new deposit(s) while having free spins features or bonus features still available in a game. In the interests of fair gaming, equal, zero or low margin bets or hedge betting, shall all be considered irregular gaming for bonus play-through requirement purposes. Other examples of irregular game play include but are not limited to, placing single bets equal to or in excess of 30% or more of the value of the bonus credited to their account until such time as the wagering requirements for that bonus have been met. Should the Casino deem that irregular game play has occurred, the Casino reserves the right to withhold any withdrawals and/or confiscate all winnings.
If there were no contradiction, i'd feel better thinking that "i am wrong, i should read/understand better" However at that time this casino had 2 different terms and conditions.
Argument 2 is what they are still lying about to implement "system" to protect users from max bet.
I also went to Askgamblers and CM. They rejected my case instantly. In addition to Dean's argument... He is right. Bitstarz and other scam casino sites hurts bitcoin ecosystem so much. When you check and analyze this topic, you'll see that %90 of users granted me. Dean also paid and reflect like a real honorable human to save bitcoin ecosystem.
However as i stated before, this topic will stay open until they will pay my and other customers' stolen money. I'll pay back this to Dean. This scam "bitstarz" casino should be isoleted from bitcoin ecosystem and every user should be warned about them before deposit.
November 26, 2016, 04:41:46 PM
Didn't they already say they were implementing a fix for the issue and working on it as we speak so this won't happen in the future and bets made using bonus funds will be restricted to the amounts the ToS require? Pretty sure they did.
Sure, but the fact remains that they still haven't fixed it or compensated people for the money they unfairly took.
I like how your last 6 posts have all been defending a quasi scam, I hope you're at least getting paid for it
Nope, not getting paid for it at all. I'm just staying on top of these threads because I play there and have an interest in seeing the eventual outcome. I still don't see their actions as unfair though. Like I said, I play there and I know the rules.
November 26, 2016, 04:20:32 PM
Didn't they already say they were implementing a fix for the issue and working on it as we speak so this won't happen in the future and bets made using bonus funds will be restricted to the amounts the ToS require? Pretty sure they did.
Sure, but the fact remains that they still haven't fixed it or compensated people for the money they unfairly took.
I like how your last 6 posts have all been defending a quasi scam, I hope you're at least getting paid for it
November 26, 2016, 04:12:47 PM
Why don't you hire someone to manage your PR, You seem to be failing pretty hard at listening to players that aren't restricted to complain about things they want changed so it's not a industry wide acceptance that you can steal a large sum of money from a player!
I won't be playing at your casino in the future after your last comment. Gambling budget of 5-10k USD per month and any other player that has half a brain that reads that will be inclined to do the same.
I won't be playing at your casino in the future after your last comment. Gambling budget of 5-10k USD per month and any other player that has half a brain that reads that will be inclined to do the same.
Didn't they already say they were implementing a fix for the issue and working on it as we speak so this won't happen in the future and bets made using bonus funds will be restricted to the amounts the ToS require? Pretty sure they did.
It's also pretty disingenuous to say they "stole" a large sum of money from a player when it was that player who failed to follow the rules. Read the rules and ask questions if you don't understand them. That would save a lot of hassle. Regardless, if they implement a technical fix that keeps this from happening in the future, then that's pretty good on them.
November 26, 2016, 05:02:59 AM
Why don't you hire someone to manage your PR, You seem to be failing pretty hard at listening to players that aren't restricted to complain about things they want changed so it's not a industry wide acceptance that you can steal a large sum of money from a player!
I won't be playing at your casino in the future after your last comment. Gambling budget of 5-10k USD per month and any other player that has half a brain that reads that will be inclined to do the same.
I won't be playing at your casino in the future after your last comment. Gambling budget of 5-10k USD per month and any other player that has half a brain that reads that will be inclined to do the same.
November 25, 2016, 12:21:46 PM
Did bitstarz close their main thread? That is a horrible decision to take, A casino should never cut off communication.
I thought they were starting to get their act together by requesting Net entertainment to change their software so they could enforce max bet rules during bonus wagering, But with this sort of action shows they aren't committed to the player at all.
I thought they were starting to get their act together by requesting Net entertainment to change their software so they could enforce max bet rules during bonus wagering, But with this sort of action shows they aren't committed to the player at all.
Yet they are in all the top 5 lists you see on so called Bitcoin gambling news and review sites
Just goes to show how shady the whole industry is.
Just pay enough money to the top ranked google sites and you can keep running your scams.
Its easy for them to get on top of the lists when they pay with unfairly seized players money.
Try commenting anything against them at AskGamblers and they will not approve your comment.
Sites are ranked how much they pay or how great is their affiliate deal. Legitimate review sites are rare.
I have been thinking about making such a site Dean, A review and complaint site for gambling sites without affiliate links or paid ads.
Just dealing with real player issues day in and day out would bring too much negativity to my life.
Hi there,
I mean, you're free to believe whatever you want. But looking objectively at some of the largest advocates for fair play (thinking
especially of CM who's been there since the 90s) and claiming that they're just a bunch of scum bags, then I'd might ask myself
who should revise their arguments here.
On top of that, we at BitStarz is a fairly small player looking at the casinos that AG and CM are dealing with, and there's no way
that they'd take our side in this if they weren't sure we're right. They would never jeopardize their reputation to defend such a
minor casino like us.
Then again, you've got you own opinion, which you of course are entitled to. But looking at their experience dealing with cases
like this over the years, I'd at least listen to their arguments and ask myself why sites that have been around for decades aren't
seeing things from the same perspective.
BitStarz
November 25, 2016, 11:39:45 AM
Did bitstarz close their main thread? That is a horrible decision to take, A casino should never cut off communication.
I thought they were starting to get their act together by requesting Net entertainment to change their software so they could enforce max bet rules during bonus wagering, But with this sort of action shows they aren't committed to the player at all.
I thought they were starting to get their act together by requesting Net entertainment to change their software so they could enforce max bet rules during bonus wagering, But with this sort of action shows they aren't committed to the player at all.
Yet they are in all the top 5 lists you see on so called Bitcoin gambling news and review sites
Just goes to show how shady the whole industry is.
Just pay enough money to the top ranked google sites and you can keep running your scams.
Its easy for them to get on top of the lists when they pay with unfairly seized players money.
Try commenting anything against them at AskGamblers and they will not approve your comment.
Sites are ranked how much they pay or how great is their affiliate deal. Legitimate review sites are rare.
I have been thinking about making such a site Dean, A review and complaint site for gambling sites without affiliate links or paid ads.
Just dealing with real player issues day in and day out would bring too much negativity to my life.
November 25, 2016, 09:46:30 AM
Did bitstarz close their main thread? That is a horrible decision to take, A casino should never cut off communication.
I thought they were starting to get their act together by requesting Net entertainment to change their software so they could enforce max bet rules during bonus wagering, But with this sort of action shows they aren't committed to the player at all.
I thought they were starting to get their act together by requesting Net entertainment to change their software so they could enforce max bet rules during bonus wagering, But with this sort of action shows they aren't committed to the player at all.
Yet they are in all the top 5 lists you see on so called Bitcoin gambling news and review sites
Just goes to show how shady the whole industry is.
Just pay enough money to the top ranked google sites and you can keep running your scams.
Its easy for them to get on top of the lists when they pay with unfairly seized players money.
Try commenting anything against them at AskGamblers and they will not approve your comment.
Sites are ranked how much they pay or how great is their affiliate deal. Legitimate review sites are rare.
Yeah exactly. It's why you don't really see BetKing (and other legit sites) on these kind of sites.
Not sure what can be done really. Would be good to setup something legit with no affiliate links and no paid to advertise.
But the cost of SEO to rank higher than these sites would probably be huge.
Also probably not worth bothering about
November 25, 2016, 09:18:42 AM
Did bitstarz close their main thread? That is a horrible decision to take, A casino should never cut off communication.
I thought they were starting to get their act together by requesting Net entertainment to change their software so they could enforce max bet rules during bonus wagering, But with this sort of action shows they aren't committed to the player at all.
I thought they were starting to get their act together by requesting Net entertainment to change their software so they could enforce max bet rules during bonus wagering, But with this sort of action shows they aren't committed to the player at all.
Yet they are in all the top 5 lists you see on so called Bitcoin gambling news and review sites
Just goes to show how shady the whole industry is.
Just pay enough money to the top ranked google sites and you can keep running your scams.
Its easy for them to get on top of the lists when they pay with unfairly seized players money.
Try commenting anything against them at AskGamblers and they will not approve your comment.
Sites are ranked how much they pay or how great is their affiliate deal. Legitimate review sites are rare.
November 25, 2016, 06:25:22 AM
Did bitstarz close their main thread? That is a horrible decision to take, A casino should never cut off communication.
I thought they were starting to get their act together by requesting Net entertainment to change their software so they could enforce max bet rules during bonus wagering, But with this sort of action shows they aren't committed to the player at all.
I thought they were starting to get their act together by requesting Net entertainment to change their software so they could enforce max bet rules during bonus wagering, But with this sort of action shows they aren't committed to the player at all.
Yet they are in all the top 5 lists you see on so called Bitcoin gambling news and review sites
Just goes to show how shady the whole industry is.
Just pay enough money to the top ranked google sites and you can keep running your scams.
November 25, 2016, 05:50:09 AM
Did bitstarz close their main thread? That is a horrible decision to take, A casino should never cut off communication.
I thought they were starting to get their act together by requesting Net entertainment to change their software so they could enforce max bet rules during bonus wagering, But with this sort of action shows they aren't committed to the player at all.
I thought they were starting to get their act together by requesting Net entertainment to change their software so they could enforce max bet rules during bonus wagering, But with this sort of action shows they aren't committed to the player at all.
Yeah. Disappointed and slightly surprised. Would expect that kind of behavior from any other softswiss site I guess. So only slightly.
This topic will remain open and i'll keep posting until bitstarz pays my stolen funds and rebuild their system for prevention on max bet thing.
I think your behavior is rather inappropriate. Yes, you were undoubtedly ripped off, and I'm sorry that it happened to you. However, you were paid out in full with a generous gesture by betking. At this point, you're no longer out of pocket and continually campaigning to have them pay you doesn't sit right with me.
If you want to campaign that they reimburse betking, or pay out all the other people who were in your exact position (which they damn well should!) but were not so lucky as to have someone donate them the money; then I'd fully support you. But demanding they pay you to close the thread, is just being opportunistic.
November 25, 2016, 05:41:24 AM
Did bitstarz close their main thread? That is a horrible decision to take, A casino should never cut off communication.
I thought they were starting to get their act together by requesting Net entertainment to change their software so they could enforce max bet rules during bonus wagering, But with this sort of action shows they aren't committed to the player at all.
I thought they were starting to get their act together by requesting Net entertainment to change their software so they could enforce max bet rules during bonus wagering, But with this sort of action shows they aren't committed to the player at all.
October 31, 2016, 12:31:45 PM
This topic will remain open and i'll keep posting until bitstarz pays my stolen funds and rebuild their system for prevention on max bet thing.
I think your behavior is rather inappropriate. Yes, you were undoubtedly ripped off, and I'm sorry that it happened to you. However, you were paid out in full with a generous gesture by betking. At this point, you're no longer out of pocket and continually campaigning to have them pay you doesn't sit right with me.
If you want to campaign that they reimburse betking, or pay out all the other people who were in your exact position (which they damn well should!) but were not so lucky as to have someone donate them the money; then I'd fully support you. But demanding they pay you to close the thread, is just being opportunistic.
October 31, 2016, 11:07:35 AM
Hi all,
Very valid point earlier that I'd like to mention again. The max bonus only applied
to BONUSES. If you play with cash money, you can play however you like and withdraw
anytime you like. Accepting bonuses is not mandatory, it's voluntarily.
Mike
Very valid point earlier that I'd like to mention again. The max bonus only applied
to BONUSES. If you play with cash money, you can play however you like and withdraw
anytime you like. Accepting bonuses is not mandatory, it's voluntarily.
Mike
And automatic.
Hi there,
You only get bonuses if you set your account to receive bonuses and tick the tick-box
on the deposit page that states that you wish to receive bonuses. On top of that, if you
made a deposit of 50 mBTC and without making any bet, you have 100 mBTC in your balance, I'd personally
would start to ask question as to how I doubled my money without placing a bet. Especially
since the bonuses are also displayed on the deposit page with the terms and conditions.
Furthermore, the player has the opportunity to forfeit the bonus without consequence prior
to starting to place any game rounds and also have the opportunity to forfeit their bonus and
winnings from bonus and withdraw their cash at a later stage.
Mike
Mike,
A player that goes to bitstarz.com, clicks on terms and conditions, reads all 5,290 words before checking the box to agree.
They will not be aware of your max bet rule and they will automatically be given a bonus with their deposit.
unless
They decline the bonus by checking this box:
or
they find their way to part 3, section 12 of the separate bonus terms (over 2,000 words total)
Worst case scenario for them, imo, is they actually win a little bit and you decide to let them slide.
They make several more deposits, violating the rule each time before finally having a big win.
Then they find out.
October 31, 2016, 10:16:37 AM
Hi there,
We've been over this so many times now. But I'll say it again. Max bet with bonus is a common thing, and the major casinos
out there are doing it. Technical implementations to get it restricted technically takes time, but it's on the way. Ultimately
it's the player's responsibility to follow the terms of the site they're using, and it doesn't go for just casinos, it goes for Netflix,
iTunes, or whatever you may use.
If you do not agree with the terms, then perhaps another site will suit you better.
Mike
We've been over this so many times now. But I'll say it again. Max bet with bonus is a common thing, and the major casinos
out there are doing it. Technical implementations to get it restricted technically takes time, but it's on the way. Ultimately
it's the player's responsibility to follow the terms of the site they're using, and it doesn't go for just casinos, it goes for Netflix,
iTunes, or whatever you may use.
If you do not agree with the terms, then perhaps another site will suit you better.
Mike
I was replying to Trayber and I was using the past tense.
Hi all,
Very valid point earlier that I'd like to mention again. The max bonus only applied
to BONUSES. If you play with cash money, you can play however you like and withdraw
anytime you like. Accepting bonuses is not mandatory, it's voluntarily.
Mike
Very valid point earlier that I'd like to mention again. The max bonus only applied
to BONUSES. If you play with cash money, you can play however you like and withdraw
anytime you like. Accepting bonuses is not mandatory, it's voluntarily.
Mike
And automatic.
+1
I apologize!
October 31, 2016, 10:15:54 AM
Hi all,
Very valid point earlier that I'd like to mention again. The max bonus only applied
to BONUSES. If you play with cash money, you can play however you like and withdraw
anytime you like. Accepting bonuses is not mandatory, it's voluntarily.
Mike
Very valid point earlier that I'd like to mention again. The max bonus only applied
to BONUSES. If you play with cash money, you can play however you like and withdraw
anytime you like. Accepting bonuses is not mandatory, it's voluntarily.
Mike
And automatic.
Hi there,
You only get bonuses if you set your account to receive bonuses and tick the tick-box
on the deposit page that states that you wish to receive bonuses. On top of that, if you
made a deposit of 50 mBTC and without making any bet, you have 100 mBTC in your balance, I'd personally
would start to ask question as to how I doubled my money without placing a bet. Especially
since the bonuses are also displayed on the deposit page with the terms and conditions.
Furthermore, the player has the opportunity to forfeit the bonus without consequence prior
to starting to place any game rounds and also have the opportunity to forfeit their bonus and
winnings from bonus and withdraw their cash at a later stage.
Mike
October 30, 2016, 05:39:13 PM
Hi all,
Very valid point earlier that I'd like to mention again. The max bonus only applied
to BONUSES. If you play with cash money, you can play however you like and withdraw
anytime you like. Accepting bonuses is not mandatory, it's voluntarily.
Mike
Very valid point earlier that I'd like to mention again. The max bonus only applied
to BONUSES. If you play with cash money, you can play however you like and withdraw
anytime you like. Accepting bonuses is not mandatory, it's voluntarily.
Mike
And automatic.
This topic will remain open and i'll keep posting until bitstarz pays my stolen funds and rebuild their system for prevention on max bet thing.
You are not legit while you seize customers' funds.
October 29, 2016, 11:44:33 PM
Hi there,
We've been over this so many times now. But I'll say it again. Max bet with bonus is a common thing, and the major casinos
out there are doing it. Technical implementations to get it restricted technically takes time, but it's on the way. Ultimately
it's the player's responsibility to follow the terms of the site they're using, and it doesn't go for just casinos, it goes for Netflix,
iTunes, or whatever you may use.
If you do not agree with the terms, then perhaps another site will suit you better.
Mike
We've been over this so many times now. But I'll say it again. Max bet with bonus is a common thing, and the major casinos
out there are doing it. Technical implementations to get it restricted technically takes time, but it's on the way. Ultimately
it's the player's responsibility to follow the terms of the site they're using, and it doesn't go for just casinos, it goes for Netflix,
iTunes, or whatever you may use.
If you do not agree with the terms, then perhaps another site will suit you better.
Mike
I was replying to Trayber and I was using the past tense.
Hi all,
Very valid point earlier that I'd like to mention again. The max bonus only applied
to BONUSES. If you play with cash money, you can play however you like and withdraw
anytime you like. Accepting bonuses is not mandatory, it's voluntarily.
Mike
Very valid point earlier that I'd like to mention again. The max bonus only applied
to BONUSES. If you play with cash money, you can play however you like and withdraw
anytime you like. Accepting bonuses is not mandatory, it's voluntarily.
Mike
And automatic.
+1
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