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Quote from: Fortify on March 15, 2022, 06:00:05 PM

It's hard to judge someone who gets into such a situation but often times the world and the future can look bleaker than it really is - sadly the brain has a tendency to reinforce either positive or negative feelings by looking for confirmatory evidence. That can lead to a downward (or upward) spiral which can be tough to escape from, however most gambling related debt can be dealt with as long as the underlying problem is fixed, aka the person needs to stop gambling first because they have likely been chasing losses for a while. Suicide is rarely the answer for a lot of lifes problems but depression can lead to many dark and unnecessary thoughts that need lots of help to solve.

Looking objectively from above at the situation it was probably not as bad as it seemed at that moment. There is always a way out, a way towards recovery. But like you said, the brain tends to focus on one outcome and intensifies the negative feelings. I don't think it's right to put all the blame on the casinos and the gambling industry. There doctors and institutions that deal directly with gambling addictions, if he really wanted he could have gotten help. Unfortunately he didn't see a way out. Also his parents could have helped and try to convince him to see specialist doctors to better control his spending habits. The parents shouldn't help with paying the debt off, because that could look like a form of enabling. UK is a developed nation that has procedures in place for people who have taken on to much debt and can't repay it anymore. In my country this process takes 4-5 years, and after that all your debt will be written off. It's a tragedy and hopefully helps others in a similar situation to wake up and get help.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on March 16, 2022, 12:03:38 AM

I agree not to show them, but if they discovered it on their own through the internet and will never show it to you, that is extremely dangerous. I believe that the best approach is not to tell them directly, but if they find out that you are doing it, explain to them what the risks are and that if you are under the age of 18, you should not play these types of games. As long as they listen, you can explain it to them and persuade them not to do that thing because they will become curious if you do not say anything about it.

The parents are responsible to educate their children about gambling before they discover it by themselves. This way, even your child is expose in gambling, he/she will become aware of the negative effect of it. But every kid has their own behavior and it depends on our parenting style. I think its better to explain it to them instead of waiting before they discover it on their own and become curious.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on March 15, 2022, 10:04:27 PM

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Quote from: maydna on March 15, 2022, 06:28:59 AM

Their children do not need to adopt their parent's experiences but listen to what their parents have to say because there must be something that their children can use for their lives. After all, their children's experiences would be different from their parent's because their world was already different. Maybe not to blame the parents, but at least the parents educate their children to get the best for them. No parent wants to see their children fall into evil, which requires responsibility from each of us.

It depends on how the parents have grown their children. If these children knows how to obey what their parents are saying, they're going to listen to them and do whatever they say.
But if these children don't listen to them anymore, there are only things that can be said of. These parents need to study parenting or these children have been influenced really badly.

Habit of the parent will allow by the children and actually its true, when parent have good habit their children will have good habit depending what their learning and watching from his parent, I think about gambling they will getting learn from his parents as active gambling or not will give habit for his children, better if still active on gambling site never show to your children and could guide them to the right way. I don't think fault with parents still make habit with gambling but need to less activities and show to your children about right way and good habit for them.

I agree not to show them, but if they discovered it on their own through the internet and will never show it to you, that is extremely dangerous. I believe that the best approach is not to tell them directly, but if they find out that you are doing it, explain to them what the risks are and that if you are under the age of 18, you should not play these types of games. As long as they listen, you can explain it to them and persuade them not to do that thing because they will become curious if you do not say anything about it.

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Quote from: tabas on March 15, 2022, 05:52:58 PM

Quote from: maydna on March 15, 2022, 06:28:59 AM

Their children do not need to adopt their parent's experiences but listen to what their parents have to say because there must be something that their children can use for their lives. After all, their children's experiences would be different from their parent's because their world was already different. Maybe not to blame the parents, but at least the parents educate their children to get the best for them. No parent wants to see their children fall into evil, which requires responsibility from each of us.

It depends on how the parents have grown their children. If these children knows how to obey what their parents are saying, they're going to listen to them and do whatever they say.
But if these children don't listen to them anymore, there are only things that can be said of. These parents need to study parenting or these children have been influenced really badly.

Habit of the parent will allow by the children and actually its true, when parent have good habit their children will have good habit depending what their learning and watching from his parent, I think about gambling they will getting learn from his parents as active gambling or not will give habit for his children, better if still active on gambling site never show to your children and could guide them to the right way. I don't think fault with parents still make habit with gambling but need to less activities and show to your children about right way and good habit for them.

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Quote from: KTChampions on March 15, 2022, 04:57:52 PM

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Quote from: KTChampions on March 15, 2022, 02:08:51 PM

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I believe that one should consciously harm oneself only in urgent cases, such as when one is hopelessly ill with cancer and the narcotics that have been denouncing his hellish pains have ceased to work. Euthanasia is an excellent option in such cases.

If a person decides to commit suicide because of some problem, he is just a coward who, instead of fighting the problem, is trying to escape from it in this stupid way.

But this is a stupid way for you, but for him it may be smart. Do you want to deny him the right to make a decision?
As for harm, what about an unhealthy lifestyle? After all, it kills no less inevitably than other quick methods. Do you want to force people to go for a run in the morning? Take away their "extra" dose of sugar, etc.? How far will your concern extend? When I say "you" I mean the state.

It's hard to judge someone who gets into such a situation but often times the world and the future can look bleaker than it really is - sadly the brain has a tendency to reinforce either positive or negative feelings by looking for confirmatory evidence. That can lead to a downward (or upward) spiral which can be tough to escape from, however most gambling related debt can be dealt with as long as the underlying problem is fixed, aka the person needs to stop gambling first because they have likely been chasing losses for a while. Suicide is rarely the answer for a lot of lifes problems but depression can lead to many dark and unnecessary thoughts that need lots of help to solve.

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Quote from: maydna on March 15, 2022, 06:28:59 AM

Their children do not need to adopt their parent's experiences but listen to what their parents have to say because there must be something that their children can use for their lives. After all, their children's experiences would be different from their parent's because their world was already different. Maybe not to blame the parents, but at least the parents educate their children to get the best for them. No parent wants to see their children fall into evil, which requires responsibility from each of us.

It depends on how the parents have grown their children. If these children knows how to obey what their parents are saying, they're going to listen to them and do whatever they say.
But if these children don't listen to them anymore, there are only things that can be said of. These parents need to study parenting or these children have been influenced really badly.

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Quote from: madnessteat on March 15, 2022, 03:27:51 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on March 15, 2022, 02:08:51 PM

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I believe that one should consciously harm oneself only in urgent cases, such as when one is hopelessly ill with cancer and the narcotics that have been denouncing his hellish pains have ceased to work. Euthanasia is an excellent option in such cases.

If a person decides to commit suicide because of some problem, he is just a coward who, instead of fighting the problem, is trying to escape from it in this stupid way.

But this is a stupid way for you, but for him it may be smart. Do you want to deny him the right to make a decision?
As for harm, what about an unhealthy lifestyle? After all, it kills no less inevitably than other quick methods. Do you want to force people to go for a run in the morning? Take away their "extra" dose of sugar, etc.? How far will your concern extend? When I say "you" I mean the state.

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Quote from: madnessteat on March 15, 2022, 03:27:51 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on March 15, 2022, 02:08:51 PM

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I believe that one should consciously harm oneself only in urgent cases, such as when one is hopelessly ill with cancer and the narcotics that have been denouncing his hellish pains have ceased to work. Euthanasia is an excellent option in such cases.

If a person decides to commit suicide because of some problem, he is just a coward who, instead of fighting the problem, is trying to escape from it in this stupid way.

what we'd need is creating a network of support, most of times people who opt for killing themselves could probably find different solutions for their problems having some kind of treatment, therapist or even a support network.

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Quote from: KTChampions on March 15, 2022, 02:08:51 PM

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I believe that one should consciously harm oneself only in urgent cases, such as when one is hopelessly ill with cancer and the narcotics that have been denouncing his hellish pains have ceased to work. Euthanasia is an excellent option in such cases.

If a person decides to commit suicide because of some problem, he is just a coward who, instead of fighting the problem, is trying to escape from it in this stupid way.

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Quote from: Oasisman on March 15, 2022, 06:40:21 AM

When we're talking about vices, abuse is inevitable. You won't even know you're already abusing it because you can always think that you're in the area of moderation.
There's a thin line between addiction and abuse.
Addiction means you're out of control and everything seems chaos and you started lossing everything.
While abuse is sometimes unnoticeable, until you realize you're gradually lossing something. That's the beginning of addiction.

Beautiful words, but what is their practical meaning? Grin

Are you a supporter of strict regulation or do you hold the view that a person is free to act in accordance with his desires? In both cases, examples can be given where the chosen decision will have unpleasant consequences for the individual or society (or for both at once). Initially, the question is whether a person has the right to deliberately harm himself or not.

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Quote from: Oasisman on March 15, 2022, 06:40:21 AM

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Quote from: ultrloa on March 14, 2022, 08:10:51 AM

Gambling is not really bad in the first place its just some people abuse theirselves and didn't know how to escape if they got eaten by gambling.

Abuse is the right word, anything excess can be considered abuse even if it is good if you abuse you will suffer from it, the worst abuse is gambling because you can lose everything, your friends, your income, your sanity, and worse your life and the right action is moderation if you do things in moderation you are on safe side, so check if you are abusing or in moderation when it comes to gambling.

When we're talking about vices, abuse is inevitable. You won't even know you're already abusing it because you can always think that you're in the area of moderation.
There's a thin line between addiction and abuse.
Addiction means you're out of control and everything seems chaos and you started lossing everything.
While abuse is sometimes unnoticeable, until you realize you're gradually lossing something. That's the beginning of addiction.

All things comes on a line or on the same process because you would still really be ending up on getting addicted if you dont able to get rid of it on the first place.If you arent aware on what
you are doing then most likely you would really be experiencing these scenarios.When dealing up with gambling then you should put up into your mind that odds of losing is higher than on
winning for you not to able to create some false mindset or hopes behind which is one of the factors that really push up people on doing such bad decisions or actions.

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Quote from: Accardo on March 11, 2022, 05:25:40 PM

One factor that leads to suicide is debt. I don't know if the young gambler is eligible to borrow in Europe but, the Government frown against that I could remember when a Gambling company was sanctioned for sending out spam messages through email about their gambling platform. Nobody should be blamed about his death. Regarding the fact that it's not quite clear despite his parent's blame on his gambling addiction that it's what caused his death. This is just one part of his habits that they know about. He could have other kinds of lifestyles which must have lead to his suicidal action. One thing is for sure, maybe he is indebt or borrowed to gamble and lost it all.

That factor wouldn't count unless the debtor won't have the capacity to pay back the debt and that's when the thought of suicide begins to set in before they finally give the thought in and choose the wrong step of life.
There was a particular thread I replied how a family friend lost his master's funding to gambling, he was losing it until he realised he had just less than $200 out of $8000 that was given to him as an initial deposit, he drink a sniper (pesticide) but was later rush to the hospital when they discovered and luckily, he survived. The Mum and other siblings never knew him as a gambler because he is the silent type. So, the Moral story is that parent do try their possible best to protect every child but they have a limit on how they can protect their child.

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Quote from: robelneo on March 14, 2022, 08:24:49 AM

Quote from: ultrloa on March 14, 2022, 08:10:51 AM

Gambling is not really bad in the first place its just some people abuse theirselves and didn't know how to escape if they got eaten by gambling.

Abuse is the right word, anything excess can be considered abuse even if it is good if you abuse you will suffer from it, the worst abuse is gambling because you can lose everything, your friends, your income, your sanity, and worse your life and the right action is moderation if you do things in moderation you are on safe side, so check if you are abusing or in moderation when it comes to gambling.

When we're talking about vices, abuse is inevitable. You won't even know you're already abusing it because you can always think that you're in the area of moderation.
There's a thin line between addiction and abuse.
Addiction means you're out of control and everything seems chaos and you started lossing everything.
While abuse is sometimes unnoticeable, until you realize you're gradually lossing something. That's the beginning of addiction.

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Quote from: madnessteat on March 14, 2022, 08:18:07 AM

You can listen to your parents, but it is impossible to adopt their experience. That's why we try a lot of the things they protect us from. I was told from childhood that gambling would not lead to anything good and that I did not play them, but because of my interest I still gambled and continue to do so to this day. Yes, I lost large sums of money, but it was more of an experience than a wake-up call that I should end my life. Only a weak person would do that. So it makes no sense to blame his parents, society or gambling sites. Each of us is responsible for our own lives.

Their children do not need to adopt their parent's experiences but listen to what their parents have to say because there must be something that their children can use for their lives. After all, their children's experiences would be different from their parent's because their world was already different. Maybe not to blame the parents, but at least the parents educate their children to get the best for them. No parent wants to see their children fall into evil, which requires responsibility from each of us.

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Quote from: madnessteat on March 12, 2022, 02:28:11 PM

It feels like you are very disconnected from reality. More scary things have happened than a teacher who gambles. In my opinion, teachers have all the same addictions as other people, they just have to hide it because of their line of work. When I was in high school we had teachers who suffered from alcoholism. I'm sure there are some who use drugs.

Yeah! I totally agreed with that. we also had teachers that have some serious problems which I don't really want to mention for the sake of the users. The only problem is when they want to bring their addictions to the next level where they chose to go for an extreme version of themselves which doesn't really a good idea because the consequences are more strong than before and that's why I think they committed to taking their own life because they don't know what to do anymore. Family counseling is the most important here when they see something is not right, it won't gonna hurt them to sit with the person and talk about it to resolve his problem.

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Quote from: madnessteat on March 13, 2022, 10:39:54 AM

Quote from: maydna on March 13, 2022, 05:42:44 AM

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You can't be around your child 24/7, which means there's still a chance that while you're away he might be doing something he's afraid to admit to you. It can be not only gambling. He could be watching porn, smoking marijuana, etc.

His activities depend directly on his social circle. So if we want our children only the best in life, we must first know all about his friends and limit communication with people you do not like for one reason or another.

You right how care with controlling by parent keep depending attitude and activities our kids depending directly with his social circle and how his surroundings, I know although have parents keep controlling his kids on good way but when get bad circle and ask for gambling way they will allow with his friend or his surroundings have the same ideas, everything always depend how our surroundings keep on the right way and easy with controlling our kids keep on good thing without worry they will allow on gambling site. But still need guide them on the right way and give any impact about joining on gambling site.

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Quote from: ultrloa on March 14, 2022, 08:10:51 AM

Gambling is not really bad in the first place its just some people abuse theirselves and didn't know how to escape if they got eaten by gambling.

Abuse is the right word, anything excess can be considered abuse even if it is good if you abuse you will suffer from it, the worst abuse is gambling because you can lose everything, your friends, your income, your sanity, and worse your life and the right action is moderation if you do things in moderation you are on safe side, so check if you are abusing or in moderation when it comes to gambling.

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Quote from: maydna on March 14, 2022, 07:13:18 AM

Quote from: madnessteat on March 13, 2022, 10:39:54 AM

Quote from: maydna on March 13, 2022, 05:42:44 AM

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You can't be around your child 24/7, which means there's still a chance that while you're away he might be doing something he's afraid to admit to you. It can be not only gambling. He could be watching porn, smoking marijuana, etc.

His activities depend directly on his social circle. So if we want our children only the best in life, we must first know all about his friends and limit communication with people you do not like for one reason or another.

I know we can't, but if they can understand right and wrong, they won't try. The most important thing here is how we can explain things that can be bad for them according to their grasping ability to understand everything they encounter.

As long as we can give understanding to them and they can understand the risks and consequences, I think they will be fine in their social circle. Knowing all the friends in their social circle can help detect early if something is starting to go wrong in their lives so we can prevent it right away.

You can listen to your parents, but it is impossible to adopt their experience. That's why we try a lot of the things they protect us from. I was told from childhood that gambling would not lead to anything good and that I did not play them, but because of my interest I still gambled and continue to do so to this day. Yes, I lost large sums of money, but it was more of an experience than a wake-up call that I should end my life. Only a weak person would do that. So it makes no sense to blame his parents, society or gambling sites. Each of us is responsible for our own lives.

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Quote from: madnessteat on March 13, 2022, 10:39:54 AM

Quote from: maydna on March 13, 2022, 05:42:44 AM

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You can't be around your child 24/7, which means there's still a chance that while you're away he might be doing something he's afraid to admit to you. It can be not only gambling. He could be watching porn, smoking marijuana, etc.

His activities depend directly on his social circle. So if we want our children only the best in life, we must first know all about his friends and limit communication with people you do not like for one reason or another.

Exactly - and we learn we when we make mistakes. Most of the people are so stubborn that they don't learn from mistakes of other, when want to see things with their own eyes and suffer strong set back before they really learn the lesson. Gambling and drinking does not bring any good to the person that is why most of the culture have banned it already. One does not remain in their senses when they gamble or drink and they tend to blame other for their mistakes.

This is normal human nature where people doesn't learn when they didn't experience those bad things unto them. Social circle really contributes on how people deal theirselves in some things they are interested to go thru and its just some other people cannot handle well the things they go on. Gambling is not really bad in the first place its just some people abuse theirselves and didn't know how to escape if they got eaten by gambling.

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Quote from: madnessteat on March 13, 2022, 10:39:54 AM

Quote from: maydna on March 13, 2022, 05:42:44 AM

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You can't be around your child 24/7, which means there's still a chance that while you're away he might be doing something he's afraid to admit to you. It can be not only gambling. He could be watching porn, smoking marijuana, etc.

His activities depend directly on his social circle. So if we want our children only the best in life, we must first know all about his friends and limit communication with people you do not like for one reason or another.

Exactly - and we learn we when we make mistakes. Most of the people are so stubborn that they don't learn from mistakes of other, when want to see things with their own eyes and suffer strong set back before they really learn the lesson. Gambling and drinking does not bring any good to the person that is why most of the culture have banned it already. One does not remain in their senses when they gamble or drink and they tend to blame other for their mistakes.

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