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Quote from: noormcs5 on March 08, 2022, 09:07:37 PM

I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

Yes, the parents are the first culprits, but they have already paid for it with the death of their child.
But gambling houses and especially governments are also largely to blame for this, and have they already paid? Certainly not.

Governments receive a huge share of casino profits and spend very little of it on measures to prevent and educate people against gambling addiction.

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Quote from: Accardo on March 11, 2022, 05:25:40 PM

One factor that leads to suicide is debt. I don't know if the young gambler is eligible to borrow in Europe but, the Government frown against that I could remember when a Gambling company was sanctioned for sending out spam messages through email about their gambling platform. Nobody should be blamed about his death. Regarding the fact that it's not quite clear despite his parent's blame on his gambling addiction that it's what caused his death. This is just one part of his habits that they know about. He could have other kinds of lifestyles which must have lead to his suicidal action. One thing is for sure, maybe he is indebt or borrowed to gamble and lost it all.

Some parents are too busy to monitor their kids each day but how come they didn't even know just for once on what was their sons been doing? I agree they can't just blame it to the casino if it's their fault for not always available to their son since gambling is a big responsibility once you are in it.

Parents know this if they were responsible enough for their son but now it's too late they just throw the blame because of their fault in the first place. It wouldn't happen if most parents would know how to take care of their children.

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Quote from: South Park on March 11, 2022, 05:50:14 PM

Quote from: magneto on March 11, 2022, 04:22:42 PM

Let's not jump the gun here.

I think that there are certainly a lot of improvements that could be made when it comes to the traditional/crypto gambling industry, voluntary self exclusion being one of the things that never seems to get enforced 100% of the time.

Note that this is not always the casino's fault, as players often try to circumvent these measures themselves.

But yes, media depiction of gambling is almost always negative and these fringe cases really paint the industry in a bad light. Hopefully this changes.

I have always wondered why is this the case? Why the media portrayal of casinos and gamblers is always so negative? After all if a person wants to spend some of the money they have earned through their own effort in gambling games then that is their decision and no one else has the right to question them, now it is true that people can get addicted to gambling but the majority of the people can gamble responsibly without any problem, and yet the depictions of the industry are always negative for some reason.

because media is highlighting the negative consequences owed to gambling. very few articles will tackle the positive side of gambling. in most cases, only the negative ones are being published. moderate gambling may do good with your mental health but if you are already deep into it and you resort to some other activities not deemed to be normal, that's when you will start having issues with gambling.
but on this case, i guess, parents should not totally hold the bad fate of his son to gambling. there's more than meets the eyes here. they should start asking, why their son was hooked into gambling? am not in anyway blaming anyone here, but people should know the real score here.

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Quote from: magneto on March 11, 2022, 04:22:42 PM

Let's not jump the gun here.

I think that there are certainly a lot of improvements that could be made when it comes to the traditional/crypto gambling industry, voluntary self exclusion being one of the things that never seems to get enforced 100% of the time.

Note that this is not always the casino's fault, as players often try to circumvent these measures themselves.

But yes, media depiction of gambling is almost always negative and these fringe cases really paint the industry in a bad light. Hopefully this changes.

I have always wondered why is this the case? Why the media portrayal of casinos and gamblers is always so negative? After all if a person wants to spend some of the money they have earned through their own effort in gambling games then that is their decision and no one else has the right to question them, now it is true that people can get addicted to gambling but the majority of the people can gamble responsibly without any problem, and yet the depictions of the industry are always negative for some reason.

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One factor that leads to suicide is debt. I don't know if the young gambler is eligible to borrow in Europe but, the Government frown against that I could remember when a Gambling company was sanctioned for sending out spam messages through email about their gambling platform. Nobody should be blamed about his death. Regarding the fact that it's not quite clear despite his parent's blame on his gambling addiction that it's what caused his death. This is just one part of his habits that they know about. He could have other kinds of lifestyles which must have lead to his suicidal action. One thing is for sure, maybe he is indebt or borrowed to gamble and lost it all.

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Quote from: Johnyz on March 11, 2022, 04:41:15 PM

Quote from: TopT3ns on March 11, 2022, 11:33:06 AM

I think although keep controlling about children keep away from gabling site but when growing up they will know about with gambling, but trough still not use saving money or selling their property maybe take gambling as funny moment only and not really try waste all money how get return much profit. I see right now about children not any busy time with gambling but most of them looks serious with gaming and maybe after pass above 20 years old they will know and try lucky with gambling. I think looks not great ideas when parent as guider for their children about gambling world, looks not any respect with parent educate their children with gambling.

Its hard to educate your Children if the parent is not familiar with gambling as well, this is why they are blaming the system because they failed to be the teacher first. Yes, our Children will gamble once they are already on the legal age and that is out of our control anymore, but during their younger years, we can already start educating them about the risk of gambling, so they can know the negative effect of too much gambling. Guiding them while they are still young can affect their life’s decision.

Exactly, if they are not educated about gambling, they would only tell their children to stay away because they only see the risk and that gambling will ruin their lives. However, kids nowadays are very curious, they like to try everything and since we are in the digital world and online gambling is very easy of course with crypto, even kids can really find a chance to gamble if they are not monitored.

Blaming the system or gambling itself is wrong because it's there to entertain, not to ruin our lives, we are only responsible for ruining our lives if we are ignorant of the risk in gambling.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on March 11, 2022, 11:33:06 AM

I think although keep controlling about children keep away from gabling site but when growing up they will know about with gambling, but trough still not use saving money or selling their property maybe take gambling as funny moment only and not really try waste all money how get return much profit. I see right now about children not any busy time with gambling but most of them looks serious with gaming and maybe after pass above 20 years old they will know and try lucky with gambling. I think looks not great ideas when parent as guider for their children about gambling world, looks not any respect with parent educate their children with gambling.

Its hard to educate your Children if the parent is not familiar with gambling as well, this is why they are blaming the system because they failed to be the teacher first. Yes, our Children will gamble once they are already on the legal age and that is out of our control anymore, but during their younger years, we can already start educating them about the risk of gambling, so they can know the negative effect of too much gambling. Guiding them while they are still young can affect their life’s decision.

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I already commented on this in a past post, people shouldn't blame gambling sites or real world or even online casinos because the responsibility to use money and play is the person's, it's not the casino's responsibility to say how each person should use his money and how he should manage his private life, that needs to be clear. in all casinos or anything related to gambling they put in the TOS that minors are prohibited from using the casinos or gambling sites and the reason is quite simple: all people over 18 are adults responsible for themselves . Now about the issue of minors playing, this issue is the responsibility of the child's parents, not the casinos' responsibility

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Quote from: noormcs5 on March 08, 2022, 09:07:37 PM

Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry. Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

This is very common behavior, people love to play the shift blame game, after all it seems his problems began when he was still underage, so where were the parents? Now maybe they did the best that they could and their son still ended up like that, but if that is the case then trying to shift the blame to the gambling or medical industry makes even less sense.

At the end of the day most of the time the good or bad that happens in our lives is our responsibility, so if this person is facing huge challenges at such a young age then we can conclude that it is entirely his fault this is the case.

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Let's not jump the gun here.

I think that there are certainly a lot of improvements that could be made when it comes to the traditional/crypto gambling industry, voluntary self exclusion being one of the things that never seems to get enforced 100% of the time.

Note that this is not always the casino's fault, as players often try to circumvent these measures themselves.

But yes, media depiction of gambling is almost always negative and these fringe cases really paint the industry in a bad light. Hopefully this changes.

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Quote from: Saisher on March 10, 2022, 09:19:28 PM

Casinos have done their part issuing warning to those who signed up and play, they have strong warnings against those who exceed time and pour a lot of money into their casinos, they even had features to protect their players but unfortunately, players will always find a way to ignore and get past those features, in the end, if they suffer from losses they will blame the casinos when everything is pointing to their own action.

Let's be honest. The casinos and gambling houses are made to make the highest profits possible and they don't care whether a minor is being indulged into gambling. Trust me, hardly any casino cares about it as long as the kid is losing money, they will continue to let them play. If the kid somehow wins big, they can always ask KYC and even swallow their winnings.

I am not going to blame casinos though because you can't expect them to refuse potential revenue. The real problem here is the parents who allow their kids to gamble and if they say they weren't aware of their gambling habits, then it's a parenting problem more than anything.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on March 08, 2022, 09:07:37 PM

Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry. Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

I have started gambling when I was 14 years old but I have gone through a mild addiction at that time. now my parents are very grateful because my life is better, I can control myself more when gambling, I realize that I have to be responsible for myself

can't blame gambling or parents who don't supervise because everyone must be responsible for each of them

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Quote from: madnessteat on March 11, 2022, 07:41:03 AM

Anyone can become addicted to gambling, regardless of their job. Many parents are not even aware that their children are gambling because most gamblers tend not to spread the word and this is quite normal. I am sure that most forum members who gamble are of the same opinion and limit the circle of people who are privy to their affairs.

Actually teaching is one job that requires peace of mind. A teacher going through a gambling problem is actually a disturbing sign for society because that would basically mean the students are not learning anything about life, if at all about the subject itself.

For some reason people are hesitant about sharing their gambling addiction and they feel it would make them look terrible while actually it's just another form of disease and nothing wrong with admitting to it and working on it.

I am seeing more and more such cases lately and feels depressing to see where society is going because gambling itself isn't a problem but problem gambling is a serious issue and must be addressed.

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I think although keep controlling about children keep away from gabling site but when growing up they will know about with gambling, but trough still not use saving money or selling their property maybe take gambling as funny moment only and not really try waste all money how get return much profit. I see right now about children not any busy time with gambling but most of them looks serious with gaming and maybe after pass above 20 years old they will know and try lucky with gambling. I think looks not great ideas when parent as guider for their children about gambling world, looks not any respect with parent educate their children with gambling.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on March 10, 2022, 11:35:21 AM

Quote from: safari88 on March 10, 2022, 08:35:18 AM

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You got it right there, somehow I feel like you're a parent now, aren't you? Well, that doesn't matter some are good at advicing when they aren't on that position (pun intended). Not a parent yet but I totally agree that's still on the parents to blame even the case isn't directly pointing at them. I've seen how we grow being disciplined over things and I just realized right now how lucky I've been grounded when I did wrong.

Can't say for sure about depression but it's really dangerous as a cancer, if the case from the OP was pointing at depression then the blame was still at the parents. I just can't help but think how they regret this tragic event to bury their own child, though that wouldn't change at all for them but to those who are still gonna save another child with the same scenario. This should be an eye opener to anyone especially if they're a parent, I am reminding myself as a future parent.

This tragedy is an eye opener, indeed. Parents, basically a family, must stay connected with one another. I believe that through that connectedness, the relationship could be a way to prevent and steer away family members from tragic situations like addiction, wrong peers and many more. It could be understood that the parents are pointing the fault to gambling, the gambling and medical experts because of their emotions and all, but they must also acknowledge the shortcomings on their part.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on March 11, 2022, 07:16:06 AM

Yeah, I might have understood it more if the teacher has no parents or no one to run to. How did they raise him? Do they even know what is really happening to him during those times when he is addicted to gambling? They are the first wall that should stop it or seek help for him.
Then, he is a teacher, so how come? That's even harder to explain when his profession is to teach. For me, teachers are mostly with optimistic minds and with lots of patience so that makes me more confused with how it ended up with suicide.

Gambling addiction is applicable to all the people who plays gambling, even if you're a teacher, a doctor, an engineer, or whatever profession you do have, we're just humans, we have emotions that we canty control most of the time. My guess was that he is hight indebted to someone, I mean like a loanshark, that warned him already that if he didn't pay up on time, something would happen.

Or the other reason is that he is just depressed and stressed on how he will get back his losses, but it turned out not pretty well, so he decided to end his own life which is not really the right choice.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on March 11, 2022, 07:16:06 AM

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Anyone can become addicted to gambling, regardless of their job. Many parents are not even aware that their children are gambling because most gamblers tend not to spread the word and this is quite normal. I am sure that most forum members who gamble are of the same opinion and limit the circle of people who are privy to their affairs.

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Yeah, I might have understood it more if the teacher has no parents or no one to run to. How did they raise him? Do they even know what is really happening to him during those times when he is addicted to gambling? They are the first wall that should stop it or seek help for him.
Then, he is a teacher, so how come? That's even harder to explain when his profession is to teach. For me, teachers are mostly with optimistic minds and with lots of patience so that makes me more confused with how it ended up with suicide.

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Parents should accept full responsibility and don't blame external factors that caused this suicide. Parents have to keep control over activities of their children and check his mental health that can be hurt by addictive activities. Twitch gamblers are great example, governments don't want to ban gambling streams for obvious reasons but addicted gamblers get burnt in this trap almost new victim every day. Hopefully, no more suicide news on media related to gambling addiction.

Suicide and gambling addiction aren't going anywhere. Only a person who is weak in spirit can commit suicide and thereby bring grief to his relatives. As long as a person is physically healthy, he has an opportunity to get out of any trouble. Gambling addiction and even huge debts for that reason are not a reason to commit suicide.

People are always trying to find someone to blame for all their misfortunes, but in most cases they are to blame themselves.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on March 08, 2022, 09:07:37 PM

Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry. Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

In response to this, it is necessary to take a look at ourself, not all children's activities can be monitored by parents, especially now the average parent is busy working for the needs of their family life. but it's true that today's parents are required to be able to direct and control their children as usual as possible because of course many people also do gambling but are not detected, approach as a friend to children is important.

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