Topic: [Boxing] Beterbiev vs. Bivol - Undisputed Light Heavyweight Championship (Read 3554 times)
October 20, 2024, 10:39:39 PM
@FinneysTrueVision. Also, this rematch will be a very important fight for the sport of boxing in the light heavyweight division. There can certainly be an argument to not organize this immediate rematch if the fight on Bivol vs. Beterbiev 1 did not have a arguable outcome. However, it was very arguable and this certainly causes it to have an argument for the IBF to reconsider their decision on forcing Beterbiev to fight the mandatory challenger.
October 19, 2024, 11:02:04 PM
However, boxing is the most corrupt sport. The skeptical me is thinking that the IBF has only made this declaration for a mandatory defense on the championship because they want to be bribed by the very wealthy arab Turki.
That is how they used to operate up until their president and several members were charged with racketeering. Bob Arum testified against them and admitted to paying them to have his fighters ranked. They want to avoid having legal problems again, which is why they are so strict with their rules but it is absurd that such irrelevant fighters like Michael Eifert and William Scull are being named mandatories just because they can’t get bigger names to agree to participate in eliminators. The reasonable thing to do would be to keep the mandatory position vacant instead of giving it to random guys from the bottom of the rankings.
October 19, 2024, 10:39:26 PM
I don't think they had a rematch clause. If there was one, we would probably know about it even before the fight.
As for the rematch:
- Bivol wants it
- Beterbiev wants it
- Turki Alalshikh wants it and has already said he'll do it if both fighters agree
- none of them will get more money by fighting any other boxer.
BUT, fresh news came out that: Artur Beterbiev has been ordered to defend his undisputed titles against lesser-known IBF mandatory challenger Michael Eifert
I don't know if this is some weird decision by IBF to try to extort some money out of Beterbiev's team or the Saudis, or will they change their stance under the pressure of boxing fans. Alternatively Beterbiev could just drop the IBF belt and maybe try to win it back later.
As for the rematch:
- Bivol wants it
- Beterbiev wants it
- Turki Alalshikh wants it and has already said he'll do it if both fighters agree
- none of them will get more money by fighting any other boxer.
BUT, fresh news came out that: Artur Beterbiev has been ordered to defend his undisputed titles against lesser-known IBF mandatory challenger Michael Eifert
I don't know if this is some weird decision by IBF to try to extort some money out of Beterbiev's team or the Saudis, or will they change their stance under the pressure of boxing fans. Alternatively Beterbiev could just drop the IBF belt and maybe try to win it back later.
A fight with Canelo could probably earn them more money, although it would be close because they would still be considered the B-side against him. It is also unclear if Canelo would even want to fight Beterbiev since he has been picking easy opponents lately.
The IBF makes some really strange decisions. Eifert doesn’t have a very good record and his most notable win was against Jean Pascal, who was many years past his prime. The IBF is strict about enforcing their rules, which would be fine if they had mandatory challengers like David Benavidez, but their rankings are atrocious and undeserving fighters often make their way to the top.
These are the rules that they cannot break unless they will use a business tactic that is very much similar to uncle Dana and the UFC where they only want to create the most exciting fights even if this is breaking the rules of their rankings. This is where the UFC can get much inflows of profit and revenues. On the IBF, WBA, WBC and WBO, they only get their revenues from fees imposed on boxing promoters. They do not have a financial motivation to create the most exciting fights hehehehehe.
However, boxing is the most corrupt sport. The skeptical me is thinking that the IBF has only made this declaration for a mandatory defense on the championship because they want to be bribed by the very wealthy arab Turki.
October 19, 2024, 12:57:03 PM
Bivol recently posted told, that when he has won last time, he had more than 1000 phone calls, but when he lost, he had only 4, and 3 of them were from his mother. That is really sad. Imho would be better if they give draw 
Now what? Planning rematch going further? Isnt they both have beaten all top opponent of their division, so it is unknown what they should do next?
Now what? Planning rematch going further? Isnt they both have beaten all top opponent of their division, so it is unknown what they should do next? 
October 18, 2024, 05:42:21 AM
I don't think they had a rematch clause. If there was one, we would probably know about it even before the fight.
As for the rematch:
- Bivol wants it
- Beterbiev wants it
- Turki Alalshikh wants it and has already said he'll do it if both fighters agree
- none of them will get more money by fighting any other boxer.
BUT, fresh news came out that: Artur Beterbiev has been ordered to defend his undisputed titles against lesser-known IBF mandatory challenger Michael Eifert
I don't know if this is some weird decision by IBF to try to extort some money out of Beterbiev's team or the Saudis, or will they change their stance under the pressure of boxing fans. Alternatively Beterbiev could just drop the IBF belt and maybe try to win it back later.
As for the rematch:
- Bivol wants it
- Beterbiev wants it
- Turki Alalshikh wants it and has already said he'll do it if both fighters agree
- none of them will get more money by fighting any other boxer.
BUT, fresh news came out that: Artur Beterbiev has been ordered to defend his undisputed titles against lesser-known IBF mandatory challenger Michael Eifert
I don't know if this is some weird decision by IBF to try to extort some money out of Beterbiev's team or the Saudis, or will they change their stance under the pressure of boxing fans. Alternatively Beterbiev could just drop the IBF belt and maybe try to win it back later.
A fight with Canelo could probably earn them more money, although it would be close because they would still be considered the B-side against him. It is also unclear if Canelo would even want to fight Beterbiev since he has been picking easy opponents lately.
But we haven't heard Beterbiev mentions Canelo in any of his interviews, maybe they are not that interested on him, or maybe Canelo doesn't want to because he knows that Beterbiev might be a nightmare fight for him because of Beterbiev's power.
The IBF makes some really strange decisions. Eifert doesn’t have a very good record and his most notable win was against Jean Pascal, who was many years past his prime. The IBF is strict about enforcing their rules, which would be fine if they had mandatory challengers like David Benavidez, but their rankings are atrocious and undeserving fighters often make their way to the top.
I have said before, IBF is really a kill joy here. Doesn't really makes any sense to insert their fighter in Eifert where boxing fans is talking about the rematch between the 2 Russians. Yes, Jean Pascal is way past his prime when Eifert beat him. Pascal is a 2010 era boxer, Lol. And if you look at their top 5, most of them are relatively unknown. Hopefully, they will back out and let the rematch go with all the belts on the line still, so that it will be respectful at least to Bivol.
October 18, 2024, 12:41:33 AM
I don't think they had a rematch clause. If there was one, we would probably know about it even before the fight.
As for the rematch:
- Bivol wants it
- Beterbiev wants it
- Turki Alalshikh wants it and has already said he'll do it if both fighters agree
- none of them will get more money by fighting any other boxer.
BUT, fresh news came out that: Artur Beterbiev has been ordered to defend his undisputed titles against lesser-known IBF mandatory challenger Michael Eifert
I don't know if this is some weird decision by IBF to try to extort some money out of Beterbiev's team or the Saudis, or will they change their stance under the pressure of boxing fans. Alternatively Beterbiev could just drop the IBF belt and maybe try to win it back later.
As for the rematch:
- Bivol wants it
- Beterbiev wants it
- Turki Alalshikh wants it and has already said he'll do it if both fighters agree
- none of them will get more money by fighting any other boxer.
BUT, fresh news came out that: Artur Beterbiev has been ordered to defend his undisputed titles against lesser-known IBF mandatory challenger Michael Eifert
I don't know if this is some weird decision by IBF to try to extort some money out of Beterbiev's team or the Saudis, or will they change their stance under the pressure of boxing fans. Alternatively Beterbiev could just drop the IBF belt and maybe try to win it back later.
A fight with Canelo could probably earn them more money, although it would be close because they would still be considered the B-side against him. It is also unclear if Canelo would even want to fight Beterbiev since he has been picking easy opponents lately.
The IBF makes some really strange decisions. Eifert doesn’t have a very good record and his most notable win was against Jean Pascal, who was many years past his prime. The IBF is strict about enforcing their rules, which would be fine if they had mandatory challengers like David Benavidez, but their rankings are atrocious and undeserving fighters often make their way to the top.
October 18, 2024, 12:33:02 AM
I don't know if this is some weird decision by IBF to try to extort some money out of Beterbiev's team or the Saudis, or will they change their stance under the pressure of boxing fans. Alternatively Beterbiev could just drop the IBF belt and maybe try to win it back later.
Given the magnitude of this fight, I believe the IBF will change its stance and allow the rematch between Bivol and Beterbiev to happen, albeit with a smaller purse, as these boxing organizations often capitalize on any opportunity to make money. Fortunately, HE Turki is willing to stage the rematch. In my opinion, he is the only person capable of paying both boxers a substantial amount to face each other.
October 17, 2024, 10:10:00 PM
That will be the best course of action here from His Excellency Turki Alalshikh. Put another fight between the two and see who is going to win the second fight and they should get a good judges here to avoid controversial scoring.
Agreed. Also, the arab Turki will certainly add more bigger money in the purse for this rematch which should certainly be very difficult for Beterbiev to reject the contract on the negotiation table. He is reaching a boxer's age of retirement already. He is very lucky to have an opponent similar to Bivol that would certainly make the fans pay much money to watch. There are other good boxers who do not have the big name opponents that they need in their division to cause promoters to spend money on marketing and make many people watch the fight.
On the rematch, if this occurs before Beterbiev becomes 45 years old, I very much speculate that the ending will be similar if Bivol cannot knockout Beterbiev.
October 17, 2024, 09:09:23 PM
Yes, regardless of what have been said already, Bivol already accepted his defeat and with that, they should move on and then discussed the possibility of a immediate rematch maybe next week. They can be contacted directly or thru their respective managers.
HE Turk is a power broker, he made this great fight for us and so he has the power right now to make the rematch and sit down and talk to both parties and then maybe at the end of the day, everything can be settled specially about the money split (although I don't think that this could be a barrier).
HE Turk is a power broker, he made this great fight for us and so he has the power right now to make the rematch and sit down and talk to both parties and then maybe at the end of the day, everything can be settled specially about the money split (although I don't think that this could be a barrier).
Is there no rematch clause for this fight?
As far as know, no, there is no rematch clause whatsoever, however, with how the fight ends, for sure Turki is not satisfied by it. And so he has all the power in his hands to talk with both sides and scheduled a rematch and if he is really for the good of boxing as he claimed, he will do it in a hearbeat.
At this point, if Beterbiev agrees, then the rematch will definitely happen. I see no issue with Beterbiev; he’s always been a humble warrior, and I believe he’d be willing to give Bivol another shot, especially since the fight ended controversially. But what’s his wife’s take on this now? Wasn’t she cheering for Beterbiev to win instead of her husband (or are they already divorced)?
We've seen Beterbiev reaction and his statement if we are going to interpret it, he wanted to be the clear winner in this fight. And so far, his streak ends here as he was not able to knockout Bivol. So maybe he wanted as well to have a rematch and maybe looking for a knockout win. I'm not sure about Bivol's ex-wife, they have been in a bitter war since their divorce and it just shows that Bivol is not affected by this news.
October 17, 2024, 02:19:50 PM
I wasn't able to watch the full fight between Bivol and Artur Beterbiev, just the highlights on YouTube. Most of the comments I read said the decision was a robbery, which was a Majority Decision (MD) that they would have accepted if it were a draw, lol. Watching those highlights for it was reasonanble resuly. For sure, there will be a rematch, which means more money again for both boxers and the promoters. If this rematch happens, hopefully we can see a knockout win.
Robbery gets banded about too easy these days and maybe hyperbolic but it was close but I also did think Bivol won. General opinion seems to favour him as well.
Yes, regardless of what have been said already, Bivol already accepted his defeat and with that, they should move on and then discussed the possibility of a immediate rematch maybe next week. They can be contacted directly or thru their respective managers.
HE Turk is a power broker, he made this great fight for us and so he has the power right now to make the rematch and sit down and talk to both parties and then maybe at the end of the day, everything can be settled specially about the money split (although I don't think that this could be a barrier).
HE Turk is a power broker, he made this great fight for us and so he has the power right now to make the rematch and sit down and talk to both parties and then maybe at the end of the day, everything can be settled specially about the money split (although I don't think that this could be a barrier).
Is there no rematch clause for this fight?
At this point, if Beterbiev agrees, then the rematch will definitely happen. I see no issue with Beterbiev; he’s always been a humble warrior, and I believe he’d be willing to give Bivol another shot, especially since the fight ended controversially. But what’s his wife’s take on this now? Wasn’t she cheering for Beterbiev to win instead of her husband (or are they already divorced)?
No, I don't believe so. They both had belts so someone had to lose them, but Turki will make it happen no doubt and Bivol has stated he wants a rematch. Since it was so close and arguably controversial with Beterbiev winning I'm sure it will happen. It's still the biggest fight for both of them and I think people will want to see it again. I haven't heard anything from Beterbiev but since he won he might just want to move on but if the money is right everyone has a price.
October 17, 2024, 01:33:45 PM
Is there no rematch clause for this fight?
At this point, if Beterbiev agrees, then the rematch will definitely happen. I see no issue with Beterbiev; he’s always been a humble warrior, and I believe he’d be willing to give Bivol another shot, especially since the fight ended controversially. But what’s his wife’s take on this now? Wasn’t she cheering for Beterbiev to win instead of her husband (or are they already divorced)?
At this point, if Beterbiev agrees, then the rematch will definitely happen. I see no issue with Beterbiev; he’s always been a humble warrior, and I believe he’d be willing to give Bivol another shot, especially since the fight ended controversially. But what’s his wife’s take on this now? Wasn’t she cheering for Beterbiev to win instead of her husband (or are they already divorced)?
I don't think they had a rematch clause. If there was one, we would probably know about it even before the fight.
As for the rematch:
- Bivol wants it
- Beterbiev wants it
- Turki Alalshikh wants it and has already said he'll do it if both fighters agree
- none of them will get more money by fighting any other boxer.
BUT, fresh news came out that: Artur Beterbiev has been ordered to defend his undisputed titles against lesser-known IBF mandatory challenger Michael Eifert
I don't know if this is some weird decision by IBF to try to extort some money out of Beterbiev's team or the Saudis, or will they change their stance under the pressure of boxing fans. Alternatively Beterbiev could just drop the IBF belt and maybe try to win it back later.
October 17, 2024, 11:34:13 AM
Is there no rematch clause for this fight?
At this point, if Beterbiev agrees, then the rematch will definitely happen. I see no issue with Beterbiev; he’s always been a humble warrior, and I believe he’d be willing to give Bivol another shot, especially since the fight ended controversially. But what’s his wife’s take on this now? Wasn’t she cheering for Beterbiev to win instead of her husband (or are they already divorced)?
There is no mention of a rematch on their contract but knowing these two fighters, they will agree to do it again because the fight was very controversial and they want to settle it on their rematch, These two are known to come to fight and they will always say yes as long as the price is right and knowing Turki he will is willing to give what the boxers wants and deserves.
I think they will get more on this rematch because of the hype it generated and the satisfaction the boxing community experienced, and I'm sure it will be better and more exciting.
October 17, 2024, 09:21:33 AM
Yes, regardless of what have been said already, Bivol already accepted his defeat and with that, they should move on and then discussed the possibility of a immediate rematch maybe next week. They can be contacted directly or thru their respective managers.
HE Turk is a power broker, he made this great fight for us and so he has the power right now to make the rematch and sit down and talk to both parties and then maybe at the end of the day, everything can be settled specially about the money split (although I don't think that this could be a barrier).
HE Turk is a power broker, he made this great fight for us and so he has the power right now to make the rematch and sit down and talk to both parties and then maybe at the end of the day, everything can be settled specially about the money split (although I don't think that this could be a barrier).
Is there no rematch clause for this fight?
At this point, if Beterbiev agrees, then the rematch will definitely happen. I see no issue with Beterbiev; he’s always been a humble warrior, and I believe he’d be willing to give Bivol another shot, especially since the fight ended controversially. But what’s his wife’s take on this now? Wasn’t she cheering for Beterbiev to win instead of her husband (or are they already divorced)?
October 17, 2024, 04:43:14 AM
Bivol's camp is free to complain if they feel cheated, but the easiest way to settle this is with a rematch. I’m sure the promoter would love to do it again since the hype is still alive after that controversial decision by the judges. These fighters are warriors, they don’t want it settled on paper but in the ring. So, let’s get that rematch soon, maybe early next year, and see who really wins. Maybe with a new set of judges to make it fairer.
Eddie Hearn did not hold back in his complaints about how unfair the decision was, but Bivol impressed me a lot by refusing to make any excuses and fully accepting the loss. A similar could be said about Beterbiev, who openly expressed his disappointment with his own performance and with how the fight went down. That's a true sportsmanship.
Both have already said they'd be willing to fight an immediate rematch and frankly, that's the only sensible option in terms of both, the sport challenge and the money.
Yes, regardless of what have been said already, Bivol already accepted his defeat and with that, they should move on and then discussed the possibility of a immediate rematch maybe next week. They can be contacted directly or thru their respective managers.
HE Turk is a power broker, he made this great fight for us and so he has the power right now to make the rematch and sit down and talk to both parties and then maybe at the end of the day, everything can be settled specially about the money split (although I don't think that this could be a barrier).
October 17, 2024, 04:28:31 AM
I wasn't able to watch the full fight between Bivol and Artur Beterbiev, just the highlights on YouTube. Most of the comments I read said the decision was a robbery, which was a Majority Decision (MD) that they would have accepted if it were a draw, lol. Watching those highlights for it was reasonanble resuly. For sure, there will be a rematch, which means more money again for both boxers and the promoters. If this rematch happens, hopefully we can see a knockout win.
And that's were almost everyone here agree, that the fight should really be a draw, and just like what you have said, even in the highlights it seems that the fight are really very close, what's more if you have seen the fight itself. Maybe not just a draw for you, but perhaps Bivol have done enough as he has a good lead going into the championship rounds that Beterbiev might have overcome to make the fight even or a draw. But there is a talk of a rematch already so maybe next year, it will be immediate. I'm not sure if there will be knockout though, Bivol is tough and has a good chin and he plays good defense as well. Hopefully, those governing body are not going to force Beterbiev to fight their mandatory next so that the full belt will still be in the line if there is a rematch. 
October 16, 2024, 06:53:41 PM
I wasn't able to watch the full fight between Bivol and Artur Beterbiev, just the highlights on YouTube. Most of the comments I read said the decision was a robbery, which was a Majority Decision (MD) that they would have accepted if it were a draw, lol. Watching those highlights for it was reasonanble resuly. For sure, there will be a rematch, which means more money again for both boxers and the promoters. If this rematch happens, hopefully we can see a knockout win.
October 16, 2024, 04:53:59 PM
Bivol's camp is free to complain if they feel cheated, but the easiest way to settle this is with a rematch. I’m sure the promoter would love to do it again since the hype is still alive after that controversial decision by the judges. These fighters are warriors, they don’t want it settled on paper but in the ring. So, let’s get that rematch soon, maybe early next year, and see who really wins. Maybe with a new set of judges to make it fairer.
Eddie Hearn did not hold back in his complaints about how unfair the decision was, but Bivol impressed me a lot by refusing to make any excuses and fully accepting the loss. A similar could be said about Beterbiev, who openly expressed his disappointment with his own performance and with how the fight went down. That's a true sportsmanship.
Usually promoters have been the loud mouth when it comes to their fighters losing, This is one example, Eddie Hearn boxer, Jack Catterall won, he has nothing to say. But hear at what Bob Arum, he is really fuming mad with the scoring,
Go move in the 00:40 second mark.
Both have already said they'd be willing to fight an immediate rematch and frankly, that's the only sensible option in terms of both, the sport challenge and the money.
That will be the best course of action here from His Excellency Turki Alalshikh. Put another fight between the two and see who is going to win the second fight and they should get a good judges here to avoid controversial scoring.
October 16, 2024, 04:37:23 PM
Bivol's camp is free to complain if they feel cheated, but the easiest way to settle this is with a rematch. I’m sure the promoter would love to do it again since the hype is still alive after that controversial decision by the judges. These fighters are warriors, they don’t want it settled on paper but in the ring. So, let’s get that rematch soon, maybe early next year, and see who really wins. Maybe with a new set of judges to make it fairer.
Eddie Hearn did not hold back in his complaints about how unfair the decision was, but Bivol impressed me a lot by refusing to make any excuses and fully accepting the loss. A similar could be said about Beterbiev, who openly expressed his disappointment with his own performance and with how the fight went down. That's a true sportsmanship.
Both have already said they'd be willing to fight an immediate rematch and frankly, that's the only sensible option in terms of both, the sport challenge and the money.
October 16, 2024, 09:42:12 AM
Yes, no one could forget about the scoring on the fight GGG vs Canelo fight, and as I have said, GGG could have been rewarded by the win, but the judges really screw him up and had the fight on a draw.
So in this case, it should be at least a draw for me, but there is one judges who awarded Beterbiev with a 4 point swing. And someone already posted the numbers in this fight and as we can see numbers don't lie as Bivol is ahead. Hopefully that referee that has given the fight ot Beterbiev should be investigated and then suspended from judging big fights again in the future.
So in this case, it should be at least a draw for me, but there is one judges who awarded Beterbiev with a 4 point swing. And someone already posted the numbers in this fight and as we can see numbers don't lie as Bivol is ahead. Hopefully that referee that has given the fight ot Beterbiev should be investigated and then suspended from judging big fights again in the future.
Bivol's camp is free to complain if they feel cheated, but the easiest way to settle this is with a rematch. I’m sure the promoter would love to do it again since the hype is still alive after that controversial decision by the judges. These fighters are warriors, they don’t want it settled on paper but in the ring. So, let’s get that rematch soon, maybe early next year, and see who really wins. Maybe with a new set of judges to make it fairer.
Bivol has taken the result like a true gentleman; he even congratulated Beterbiev and offered no excuse for his performance. Its the people that have watched the match that are not comfortable with the match; even his Highness Turki was not convinced with the results and he had Bivol leading by two rtounds after the fight.
Its good and we welcome a rematch, The match is not only entertaining but a real treat the boxing community. We all know the boxing community loves to see hard contested match, hopefully we'll read the announcement of the rematch it seems both boxers are ok with the rematch.
I have this feeling that we will have a trilogy because both fighters are capable of winning against each other.
October 16, 2024, 09:01:39 AM
Yes, no one could forget about the scoring on the fight GGG vs Canelo fight, and as I have said, GGG could have been rewarded by the win, but the judges really screw him up and had the fight on a draw.
So in this case, it should be at least a draw for me, but there is one judges who awarded Beterbiev with a 4 point swing. And someone already posted the numbers in this fight and as we can see numbers don't lie as Bivol is ahead. Hopefully that referee that has given the fight ot Beterbiev should be investigated and then suspended from judging big fights again in the future.
So in this case, it should be at least a draw for me, but there is one judges who awarded Beterbiev with a 4 point swing. And someone already posted the numbers in this fight and as we can see numbers don't lie as Bivol is ahead. Hopefully that referee that has given the fight ot Beterbiev should be investigated and then suspended from judging big fights again in the future.
Bivol's camp is free to complain if they feel cheated, but the easiest way to settle this is with a rematch. I’m sure the promoter would love to do it again since the hype is still alive after that controversial decision by the judges. These fighters are warriors, they don’t want it settled on paper but in the ring. So, let’s get that rematch soon, maybe early next year, and see who really wins. Maybe with a new set of judges to make it fairer.
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