[Boxing] Beterbiev vs. Bivol - Undisputed Light Heavyweight Championship - page 3.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on October 13, 2024, 05:03:56 AM

Quote from: pawel7777 on October 13, 2024, 02:51:47 AM

Anyhow, I'm not going to pretend I'm good at round scoring, so will withhold from judging if the decision was fair or not, but I thought Bivol did enough to have his hand raised.
Frank Warren agrees and Eddie Hearne was absolutely fuming calling the scoring a joke:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJySfnNPbW4

Fight highlights for those who missed the fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3DsPdmvKlA

Even Berterbiev himself is not happy about the result because he knew to himself that he didn’t won dominantly.

I watch the fight without any bias between 2 fighter since I don’t place any bet but score wise the match should be to Bivol. I think the judge consider a huge impact punch instead of the landed punch.

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But it is what it is and I think we most likely will see an immediate rematch, as I can't think of any better option for either of them.

Definitely, there’s a rematch on this since both fighter is not happy with the result.

I guess Beterbiev might be not happy, as his "KO in every fight" record is spoiled. As well as it was a majority decision. This opens an opportunity for result speculation. Some people in media say that Bivol was robbed. Personally I would organize a rematch to put and end in their competition. I think it would be fair, and both fighters would be happy and ready for that.

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 13, 2024, 06:01:34 AM

And since the end is controversial, it is rightful that a rematch was to be made by Turki here. Fans are screaming for that, the end is not settled as we could be split as who win here and then that absurd score of one of the judges. It could be a draw for all we know if the judges score it right.

A rematch is definitely necessary, but for now, Beterbiev made history as the first undisputed Light Heavyweight Champion. Bivol will need to step it up next time because if he can't hurt Beterbiev, the outcome might be the same. Was the issue with his wife affecting him during the fight? Honestly, he seemed fine to me; he just didn’t do enough to convince the judges.

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Quote from: Polkeins on October 13, 2024, 04:59:29 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on October 12, 2024, 07:08:31 PM

And Beterbiev won the fight, in a split decision, unifying all the belts at Light Heavyweight, scores were 116-112 (Pawel Kardyni), 115-113 (Glenn Feldman) and 114-114 (Manuel Oliver Palomo).

But for me it could have gone either way, I do not see Beterbiev getting Bivol in trouble. So this fight ends in a controversial win by Beterbiev.

Not sure how you guys see this fight, it could also be a draw, in my opinion. Although I have Bivol winning here, and I have heard in some boxing forum that Bivol was robbed here.

I agree with you that Beterbiev's victory was not visible, rather a draw or Bivol's victory by rounds 7-5.
The fight was very competitive and although Biterbiev threw more punches, Bivol's punches were more accurate, but due to the fact that Biterbiev's punches are very strong it looked like Bivol was flying to the ropes, but in fact Biterbiev was hitting the block and didn't do much damage.
I think that if Bivol would have taken the end of rounds more confidently, there would have been no doubt in his victory, but unfortunately for him very often in the end of rounds Bitterbiev looked better.
The judge who gave the score 116-112 for Beterbiev should be checked separately looks like he had any interest in Bitterbiev's victory or just not professional.

I do agree with that score though, it looks like Beterbiev for him is the runaway winning when it was really a very close fight for us. I think Bivol lost due to his non active specially in the championship rounds. He is supposedly to be the busier fighter, but it seems that he can't get his shots and can't pull the trigger like he did against Canelo, his average punch is way below what he did in his previous fight.

And since the end is controversial, it is rightful that a rematch was to be made by Turki here. Fans are screaming for that, the end is not settled as we could be split as who win here and then that absurd score of one of the judges. It could be a draw for all we know if the judges score it right.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on October 13, 2024, 05:03:56 AM

Quote from: pawel7777 on October 13, 2024, 02:51:47 AM

Anyhow, I'm not going to pretend I'm good at round scoring, so will withhold from judging if the decision was fair or not, but I thought Bivol did enough to have his hand raised.
Frank Warren agrees and Eddie Hearne was absolutely fuming calling the scoring a joke:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJySfnNPbW4

Fight highlights for those who missed the fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3DsPdmvKlA

Even Berterbiev himself is not happy about the result because he knew to himself that he didn’t won dominantly.

I watch the fight without any bias between 2 fighter since I don’t place any bet but score wise the match should be to Bivol. I think the judge consider a huge impact punch instead of the landed punch.

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But it is what it is and I think we most likely will see an immediate rematch, as I can't think of any better option for either of them.

Definitely, there’s a rematch on this since both fighter is not happy with the result.

Yes, he seems to admit that it's controversial result that's why he said that he is not happy. And it just shows how these two are, they are really warrior and shows respect on each other and call the fight as it is.

Hopefully there will be rematch, others says that Bivol won and being robbed, but he says as well that he has no excuses and take his first lost. But definitely, another fight is good so that we can see how it is. Who knows, Bivol might win the second one and so to set up a grudge third match.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on October 13, 2024, 02:51:47 AM

Anyhow, I'm not going to pretend I'm good at round scoring, so will withhold from judging if the decision was fair or not, but I thought Bivol did enough to have his hand raised.
Frank Warren agrees and Eddie Hearne was absolutely fuming calling the scoring a joke:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJySfnNPbW4

Fight highlights for those who missed the fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3DsPdmvKlA

Even Berterbiev himself is not happy about the result because he knew to himself that he didn’t won dominantly.

I watch the fight without any bias between 2 fighter since I don’t place any bet but score wise the match should be to Bivol. I think the judge consider a huge impact punch instead of the landed punch.

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But it is what it is and I think we most likely will see an immediate rematch, as I can't think of any better option for either of them.

Definitely, there’s a rematch on this since both fighter is not happy with the result.

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 12, 2024, 07:08:31 PM

And Beterbiev won the fight, in a split decision, unifying all the belts at Light Heavyweight, scores were 116-112 (Pawel Kardyni), 115-113 (Glenn Feldman) and 114-114 (Manuel Oliver Palomo).

But for me it could have gone either way, I do not see Beterbiev getting Bivol in trouble. So this fight ends in a controversial win by Beterbiev.

Not sure how you guys see this fight, it could also be a draw, in my opinion. Although I have Bivol winning here, and I have heard in some boxing forum that Bivol was robbed here.

I agree with you that Beterbiev's victory was not visible, rather a draw or Bivol's victory by rounds 7-5.
The fight was very competitive and although Biterbiev threw more punches, Bivol's punches were more accurate, but due to the fact that Biterbiev's punches are very strong it looked like Bivol was flying to the ropes, but in fact Biterbiev was hitting the block and didn't do much damage.
I think that if Bivol would have taken the end of rounds more confidently, there would have been no doubt in his victory, but unfortunately for him very often in the end of rounds Bitterbiev looked better.
The judge who gave the score 116-112 for Beterbiev should be checked separately looks like he had any interest in Bitterbiev's victory or just not professional.

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I mentioned some time ago that betting on Beterbiev winning by decision could be a good idea, as the odds were something around 7.0 (iirc), I wish I followed up with making such bet, but oh well...

Anyhow, I'm not going to pretend I'm good at round scoring, so will withhold from judging if the decision was fair or not, but I thought Bivol did enough to have his hand raised.
Frank Warren agrees and Eddie Hearne was absolutely fuming calling the scoring a joke:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJySfnNPbW4

But it is what it is and I think we most likely will see an immediate rematch, as I can't think of any better option for either of them.

Fight highlights for those who missed the fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3DsPdmvKlA

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 12, 2024, 07:08:31 PM

And Beterbiev won the fight, in a split decision, unifying all the belts at Light Heavyweight, scores were 116-112 (Pawel Kardyni), 115-113 (Glenn Feldman) and 114-114 (Manuel Oliver Palomo).

But for me it could have gone either way, I do not see Beterbiev getting Bivol in trouble. So this fight ends in a controversial win by Beterbiev.

Not sure how you guys see this fight, it could also be a draw, in my opinion. Although I have Bivol winning here, and I have heard in some boxing forum that Bivol was robbed here.

This important fight for the undisputed light heavyweight championship has ended how I very much speculated this to occur. However I was wrong on the decision, this ended with a majority decision, I speculated only a split decision heheheh.

Beterbiev did not give Bivol much trouble, however, it was very clear that Bivol was having difficulty on Beterbiev's tactics. He did not want to give distance to Bivol who very much needed this. Also, the decision of the judges is fair if Beterbiev or Bivol was declared the winner. If this was declared a draw, this is also fair I reckon.

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 12, 2024, 07:08:31 PM

And Beterbiev won the fight, in a split decision, unifying all the belts at Light Heavyweight, scores were 116-112 (Pawel Kardyni), 115-113 (Glenn Feldman) and 114-114 (Manuel Oliver Palomo).

But for me it could have gone either way, I do not see Beterbiev getting Bivol in trouble. So this fight ends in a controversial win by Beterbiev.

Not sure how you guys see this fight, it could also be a draw, in my opinion. Although I have Bivol winning here, and I have heard in some boxing forum that Bivol was robbed here.

I only get to see the highlights and delayed telecast because of the time difference, but judging on how the fight went on, it should have been the other way around. I have Bivol winning by at least one round, the fight was going Bivol's way, and he was in fact accumulating points, Both fighters have some great moments, but it was Bivol who had relevant rounds.

It really was a controversial fight, and this was indeed a great fight, so Turki Alalshikh announced he is planning a rematch, and it will be held again in Saudi Arabia, We all deserve a rematch. This is the kind of fight worth watching again and what the community wants to see.

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Beterbiev becomes the undisputed champion in what was an excellent fight that was extremely competitive. Bivol was in control early on but when Beterbiev started applying pressure it changed the momentum in his favor.

The deciding factor was Beterbiev’s aggression in the championship rounds. All three judges scored the final three rounds in his favor. Bivol was too tired at that point to do anything effective. He mostly moved backwards and threw some weak punches. It was still a close fight and many people even believe Bivol should have won. I thought Beterbiev’s strong closing clinched the fight for him and he is a deserving winner.

When two fighters who are so evenly matched and their fight is a back and forth chess match, there will always be some room for debate. Perhaps they will settle the score in a rematch. Canelo and Benavidez are not on the same level as these fighters so I would rather see them fight each other again, but I can’t blame Beterbiev if he wants to take the fight that will make him more money.

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And Beterbiev won the fight, in a split decision, unifying all the belts at Light Heavyweight, scores were 116-112 (Pawel Kardyni), 115-113 (Glenn Feldman) and 114-114 (Manuel Oliver Palomo).

But for me it could have gone either way, I do not see Beterbiev getting Bivol in trouble. So this fight ends in a controversial win by Beterbiev.

Not sure how you guys see this fight, it could also be a draw, in my opinion. Although I have Bivol winning here, and I have heard in some boxing forum that Bivol was robbed here.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on October 11, 2024, 04:48:13 PM

This is it, only 1 day to go to this epic fight.

Full weight in video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy-rwrQJsZc

Judging by the body language, both seem to be properly prepared and ready to go, with a slight advantage to Bivol who appeared to be a bit sharper and more focussed.
Beterbiev unnecessarily engaged in an argument with Hearn during the press conference, which made him look stressed and insecure.
I'm not going to bet on this one, but if I had to, my money would go on Bivol.

Of course they are both ready for this fight, because they realize that the winner will be the absolute world champion in the heavyweight category, who will own 4 belts, which has not happened for a long time.
So for both boxers this is probably the main fight of their lives, especially for Biterbiev, who will be 40 years old next year, which is a very respectable age for a light heavyweight, but Bivol has a better chance to have a couple more good fights, because Bivol is still 5 years younger.
It's been a long time since we've had such a good fight with such quality boxers.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on October 11, 2024, 04:48:13 PM

This is it, only 1 day to go to this epic fight.

Full weight in video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy-rwrQJsZc

Judging by the body language, both seem to be properly prepared and ready to go, with a slight advantage to Bivol who appeared to be a bit sharper and more focussed.
Beterbiev unnecessarily engaged in an argument with Hearn during the press conference, which made him look stressed and insecure.
I'm not going to bet on this one, but if I had to, my money would go on Bivol.

Or if looks like Hearn was able to get into the head of Beterbiev, and I think this is the first time that Beterbiev has lost his composure during a press conference. Usually, he is just laid back and just answers questions.

But here, he is irritated, perhaps Eddie Hearn has that personality that everyone doesn't like, maybe his British accent or the way his demeanor. So let's see if Bivol has the upper hand before the fight as Beterbiev might lose focus on the first couple of rounds.

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In any case, I have another speculation on what might occur for this fight and what might be the ending. It might also be very much possible that because of the older age of Beterbiev and the injury on his knee, this might end with Beterbiev with a victory, however, this victory will be given to him by the judges which will be his first victory by decision.

Why do speculate this? Beterbiev might make it appear for the judges that his power punches to Bivol's body will be enough to give him the victory.

Honestly, I don’t see Beterbiev winning by decision. All his fights end in KOs, so if this one goes to decision, the edge won’t be in his favor, and I’d be surprised if he wins. To keep it simple, it’s either Beterbiev by KO or the other boxer by decision.

However, this is why I very much argue on Beterbiev to have the victory through the judges' decision because of his older age and the injury on his knee. This might also be a split decision, I reckon, because Bivol will certainly be measuring his distance and he also does not have a glass jaw. But the judges will witness the fight and who will make the stronger power punches that will certainly make it appear that he is the winner? I have a very good speculation that this might be Beterbiev.

That is the thing if Beterbiev is going to win, he doesn't need to go judges scorecard, he really need to win by knockout so that his winning streak will still continue. On the other hand, Bivol could be contented on winning by decision as that's what he used against Canelo before. Canelo is the favorite that time, but Bivol uses his distance very well and that long reach to keep Canelo away. I think he will used the same strategy.

In any case, gonna be a good fight, we have debated each one of them, strength's and what could be the factor of either Bivol or Beterbiev winning the fight. So will find out later if our arguments are true and then we bet base on that, so goodluck to everyone who have put their bet already.

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Quote from: Botnake on October 10, 2024, 12:53:53 AM

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In any case, I have another speculation on what might occur for this fight and what might be the ending. It might also be very much possible that because of the older age of Beterbiev and the injury on his knee, this might end with Beterbiev with a victory, however, this victory will be given to him by the judges which will be his first victory by decision.

Why do speculate this? Beterbiev might make it appear for the judges that his power punches to Bivol's body will be enough to give him the victory.

Honestly, I don’t see Beterbiev winning by decision. All his fights end in KOs, so if this one goes to decision, the edge won’t be in his favor, and I’d be surprised if he wins. To keep it simple, it’s either Beterbiev by KO or the other boxer by decision.

However, this is why I very much argue on Beterbiev to have the victory through the judges' decision because of his older age and the injury on his knee. This might also be a split decision, I reckon, because Bivol will certainly be measuring his distance and he also does not have a glass jaw. But the judges will witness the fight and who will make the stronger power punches that will certainly make it appear that he is the winner? I have a very good speculation that this might be Beterbiev.

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Yeah, both made the weight very easy, and I think that this guys have been walking around this weight for sometime now that they didn't have any issues making the weight. And both looks fresh, even the older boxer, Beterbiev. So it's really hard to see where the fight or how it will end, but Bivol is still the favorite here, so I guess it's better to bet on him.

And this is the first LHW unification since the 4 belt era so both of them are making history in this fight. For sure, gamblers here although they already have in their mind who to bet, they might change it base on the looks of this two in the final weigh-in.

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This is it, only 1 day to go to this epic fight.

Full weight in video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy-rwrQJsZc

Judging by the body language, both seem to be properly prepared and ready to go, with a slight advantage to Bivol who appeared to be a bit sharper and more focussed.
Beterbiev unnecessarily engaged in an argument with Hearn during the press conference, which made him look stressed and insecure.
I'm not going to bet on this one, but if I had to, my money would go on Bivol.

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The knockout artist is a slight underdog in this fight, likely due to his recent injury and the fact that, at 39 years old, age is not on his side in a sport like boxing. This is an exciting matchup and a strong candidate for Fight of the Year. Thanks to HE Turki for making this happen.

Looks like the odds have shifted, huh? Last time I checked, Beterbiev was the clear favorite, but now with this little injury news, things are changing. Hopefully, it won't hold him back from performing at his best, because this is probably the biggest fight of the year (at least in my opinion). I want to see both of them going all out, especially Beterbiev, who’s known for those KOs.

But if that injury slows him down, we know how smart Bivol is. He might just dance around, play it safe, and take the fight to the judges, which could end up in his favor. What do you think?

All of us are fully aware of Beterbiev and Bivol's divorce issues but we can only speculate because its hard to predict if the two that are going to battle in the ring are warriors with undefeated streaks, undefeated fighters who has gone through a lot of battles have strong mental preparation heading to the fight.
Honestly, sometimes I go for Beterbiev and sometimes Bivol because the fight could go either way, it really depends on who has the better strategy and who can implement that strategy well. I may end up not betting at all because the bout is very much even and you are lucky to bet who will ended up the winner of this match.

We should bet on this fight as this is predicted to be an all-time classic that we should not miss lol.

I agree that it is hard to pick as this is a 50-50 fight and in order to have a deeper analysis we should break down their strengths and weaknesses.

Beterbiev’s strength, as we all know, lies in his punching power. However, coming into this fight, he might be less mobile due to a knee injury he sustained and the fact that he is already 39 years old.

Bivol’s strengths include excellent leg movement, effective jabs, and combination punching. However, his weaknesses are questionable punching power and potential distractions due to family problems as he heads into this fight.

I think Bivol's has a good punching power, but if you look at how he throws it though, it's not generating speed that's why we can say that he doesn't have that power as compare to Beterbiev who has every bad intention when he throws.

But good analysis, Beterbiev is coming from a injury and we already know that he doesn't move that fight, all he do since he has that knockout power, is to follow his opponent. While Bivol has more movement and will used it in this fight. I do not see him being affected by the drama in his personal life, you can see in the press conference that there is no sign on him, but to fight and become a unified champion regardless on who he is going to face.

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Here is the final press conference,

Both have their game face already, specially Bivol, and then Eddie Hearn really getting into the skin of Beterbiev as he says that he is arrogant. This might fuel some motivation as well on the part of Beterbiev.

So just a couple of sleep and we will see this great fight, both are expecting to be in their best shape here, and if Beterbiev age shows here and his ring rust, it might be Bivol winning in a hard fought 12 rounds and maybe by majority decision but very very close scoring by the judges.

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Quote from: coin-investor on October 10, 2024, 09:51:43 AM

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The knockout artist is a slight underdog in this fight, likely due to his recent injury and the fact that, at 39 years old, age is not on his side in a sport like boxing. This is an exciting matchup and a strong candidate for Fight of the Year. Thanks to HE Turki for making this happen.

Looks like the odds have shifted, huh? Last time I checked, Beterbiev was the clear favorite, but now with this little injury news, things are changing. Hopefully, it won't hold him back from performing at his best, because this is probably the biggest fight of the year (at least in my opinion). I want to see both of them going all out, especially Beterbiev, who’s known for those KOs.

But if that injury slows him down, we know how smart Bivol is. He might just dance around, play it safe, and take the fight to the judges, which could end up in his favor. What do you think?

All of us are fully aware of Beterbiev and Bivol's divorce issues but we can only speculate because its hard to predict if the two that are going to battle in the ring are warriors with undefeated streaks, undefeated fighters who has gone through a lot of battles have strong mental preparation heading to the fight.
Honestly, sometimes I go for Beterbiev and sometimes Bivol because the fight could go either way, it really depends on who has the better strategy and who can implement that strategy well. I may end up not betting at all because the bout is very much even and you are lucky to bet who will ended up the winner of this match.

We should bet on this fight as this is predicted to be an all-time classic that we should not miss lol.

I agree that it is hard to pick as this is a 50-50 fight and in order to have a deeper analysis we should break down their strengths and weaknesses.

Beterbiev’s strength, as we all know, lies in his punching power. However, coming into this fight, he might be less mobile due to a knee injury he sustained and the fact that he is already 39 years old.

Bivol’s strengths include excellent leg movement, effective jabs, and combination punching. However, his weaknesses are questionable punching power and potential distractions due to family problems as he heads into this fight.

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