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October 04, 2021, 06:50:13 AM
^^ I would love to see a toe to toe battle as well in the early rounds. And maybe Caleb can take advantage of Canelo being a slow starting and could earn some points in the judges eye. Billy Joe did this strategy, but he seems to run out of gas and that's why Canelo was able to take over, forcing Billie Joe to quit. So Caleb will need to start hot and able to sustain it and be ready if Canelo's started to get his rhythm going around round 4. And then switch to being a boxer, uses his jab more. It's going to be a chess match if Caleb wanted to pull an upset.
It depends on the mindset, the first two rounds will set up the tempo of the fight and the direction where it will go, I always believe in what Mike Tyson said, Everybody has a plan until they get hit if Plant can take and see Canelo's punch he had a chance if he can hit and past enough to not get hit, then he'll have a good chance, whatever Plan, Caleb has can be implemented on how Canelo reacts in the first two rounds.
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October 04, 2021, 06:29:51 AM
^^ I would love to see a toe to toe battle as well in the early rounds. And maybe Caleb can take advantage of Canelo being a slow starting and could earn some points in the judges eye. Billy Joe did this strategy, but he seems to run out of gas and that's why Canelo was able to take over, forcing Billie Joe to quit. So Caleb will need to start hot and able to sustain it and be ready if Canelo's started to get his rhythm going around round 4. And then switch to being a boxer, uses his jab more. It's going to be a chess match if Caleb wanted to pull an upset.
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October 04, 2021, 06:20:16 AM
I think the fight they previously had ( not in the ring) makes people to decide more than Plant has no chance of winning. Look at the odds, at 1.08, I think it's almost impossible for Caleb to make an upset here, and Canelo will be waiting and eager to punish him because of his trash talk that is below the belt.

1.08 is still good IMO. In some of the previous fights, Canelo's odds were 1.025 - 1.030. It makes no sense to bet with such odds, but a lot of gamblers would disagree with me and say that it is just assured winning. At the time when the fight was first announced, I made the decision not to make a bet on this match. I knew that the odds would be insanely low. Even if it is an assured win, if the bet remain this low then I am not going to take it. And BTW, although we call it as an "assured win", there is no 100% guarantee. Upsets happen in the boxing ring every now and then.

No assured winning, but the chances are slim. So as bettors we need to be smart, we need to bet on the most likely who are going to win. ML sucks so we need to look at some handicaps for Canelo.

Hope though that both fighters are going to bring their A-game in the table in this fight, both are predicting a knock out victory, but I would like to see both boxers putting a show, a clinic, technician vs technician. And both possesses a knock out power as well.

Would really be nice if we will see a toe-to-toe fight between the two.
Won't disregard the idea about the upset here, look at what happened with Joshua-Usyk.
Though Canelo has a lot of advantages but when it comes to actual battle, we wouldn't know up until both are fighting inside the ring.
The odds are of course in favor of Canelo. But if by chance you are a believer of Caleb's power, the odds are actually good to bet on.
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October 04, 2021, 05:03:37 AM
I think the fight they previously had ( not in the ring) makes people to decide more than Plant has no chance of winning. Look at the odds, at 1.08, I think it's almost impossible for Caleb to make an upset here, and Canelo will be waiting and eager to punish him because of his trash talk that is below the belt.

1.08 is still good IMO. In some of the previous fights, Canelo's odds were 1.025 - 1.030. It makes no sense to bet with such odds, but a lot of gamblers would disagree with me and say that it is just assured winning. At the time when the fight was first announced, I made the decision not to make a bet on this match. I knew that the odds would be insanely low. Even if it is an assured win, if the bet remain this low then I am not going to take it. And BTW, although we call it as an "assured win", there is no 100% guarantee. Upsets happen in the boxing ring every now and then.

No assured winning, but the chances are slim. So as bettors we need to be smart, we need to bet on the most likely who are going to win. ML sucks so we need to look at some handicaps for Canelo.

Hope though that both fighters are going to bring their A-game in the table in this fight, both are predicting a knock out victory, but I would like to see both boxers putting a show, a clinic, technician vs technician. And both possesses a knock out power as well.
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October 04, 2021, 04:54:58 AM
I think the fight they previously had ( not in the ring) makes people to decide more than Plant has no chance of winning. Look at the odds, at 1.08, I think it's almost impossible for Caleb to make an upset here, and Canelo will be waiting and eager to punish him because of his trash talk that is below the belt.

1.08 is still good IMO. In some of the previous fights, Canelo's odds were 1.025 - 1.030. It makes no sense to bet with such odds, but a lot of gamblers would disagree with me and say that it is just assured winning. At the time when the fight was first announced, I made the decision not to make a bet on this match. I knew that the odds would be insanely low. Even if it is an assured win, if the bet remain this low then I am not going to take it. And BTW, although we call it as an "assured win", there is no 100% guarantee. Upsets happen in the boxing ring every now and then.

Not worthy to risk your money as also my opinion. Though maybe it's an assured fight but upset and shit can happen, we don't know how ready Plant is and what preparation he's taking right now to increase his chance of winning this fight, though for most, Alvarez really have the higher edge and bookies recognize that.

All depends now on how bettors will take their sides. If you are okay with small odd, then take Alvarez. maybe decent amount may give you entertaining profits.

Good luck and enjoy watching the fight! Wink

That's true, it all depends on the bettors if they are willing to take that 1.08 and think that it's easy money. Upset could happen in boxer, that's proven in the past, so it's not impossible to see an upset in this fight, and bettors who take that 1.08 should be ready if they lose as no boxer is unbeatable.
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October 04, 2021, 02:03:03 AM
I think the fight they previously had ( not in the ring) makes people to decide more than Plant has no chance of winning. Look at the odds, at 1.08, I think it's almost impossible for Caleb to make an upset here, and Canelo will be waiting and eager to punish him because of his trash talk that is below the belt.

1.08 is still good IMO. In some of the previous fights, Canelo's odds were 1.025 - 1.030. It makes no sense to bet with such odds, but a lot of gamblers would disagree with me and say that it is just assured winning. At the time when the fight was first announced, I made the decision not to make a bet on this match. I knew that the odds would be insanely low. Even if it is an assured win, if the bet remain this low then I am not going to take it. And BTW, although we call it as an "assured win", there is no 100% guarantee. Upsets happen in the boxing ring every now and then.

Not worthy to risk your money as also my opinion. Though maybe it's an assured fight but upset and shit can happen, we don't know how ready Plant is and what preparation he's taking right now to increase his chance of winning this fight, though for most, Alvarez really have the higher edge and bookies recognize that.

All depends now on how bettors will take their sides. If you are okay with small odd, then take Alvarez. maybe decent amount may give you entertaining profits.

Good luck and enjoy watching the fight! Wink
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October 03, 2021, 10:25:15 PM
I think the fight they previously had ( not in the ring) makes people to decide more than Plant has no chance of winning. Look at the odds, at 1.08, I think it's almost impossible for Caleb to make an upset here, and Canelo will be waiting and eager to punish him because of his trash talk that is below the belt.

1.08 is still good IMO. In some of the previous fights, Canelo's odds were 1.025 - 1.030. It makes no sense to bet with such odds, but a lot of gamblers would disagree with me and say that it is just assured winning. At the time when the fight was first announced, I made the decision not to make a bet on this match. I knew that the odds would be insanely low. Even if it is an assured win, if the bet remain this low then I am not going to take it. And BTW, although we call it as an "assured win", there is no 100% guarantee. Upsets happen in the boxing ring every now and then.
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October 03, 2021, 03:41:08 PM
OK.. we're almost in to October and I don't see any real change in the odds for Caleb Plant. For Caleb, the odds remain in +500 to +600 range (which are still overestimating his chances IMO). None of his verbal tirade against Canelo seems to have impressed the fans. If there was an uptick in bets favoring him, then the odds would have definitely changed. That hasn't happened. Neither the fans, or the sportsbooks think that he is having a realistic chance of defeating Canelo. And this may be the most one-sided fight featuring Canelo in the recent times.


Bookies see that fans and bettors are not buying the drama. They still think that Canelo has a high edge over Plant. Though for sure there are still people who will bet for Plant in hope that upset will happen, but the majority still siding for Canelo knowing that talent and skills wise this man have a lot of advantage.

The chance that bookies implied is very small, giving such odd for Plant. If you have spare and you are into gambling, this one might give you some enticing interest to multiply or to grow your money.
And quite honestly there is not a reason to buy the drama at all, Caleb is doing everything that he can to attract more attention to himself while Canelo is just doing what he always does, which is to prepare himself for the fight and give his all when that time comes, and if that is the case then Canelo has very good odds to win this fight easily despite the record of Caleb and all the trash talking that he is doing right now.
I think the fight they previously had ( not in the ring) makes people to decide more than Plant has no chance of winning. Look at the odds, at 1.08, I think it's almost impossible for Caleb to make an upset here, and Canelo will be waiting and eager to punish him because of his trash talk that is below the belt.
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October 03, 2021, 01:24:49 PM
OK.. we're almost in to October and I don't see any real change in the odds for Caleb Plant. For Caleb, the odds remain in +500 to +600 range (which are still overestimating his chances IMO). None of his verbal tirade against Canelo seems to have impressed the fans. If there was an uptick in bets favoring him, then the odds would have definitely changed. That hasn't happened. Neither the fans, or the sportsbooks think that he is having a realistic chance of defeating Canelo. And this may be the most one-sided fight featuring Canelo in the recent times.


Bookies see that fans and bettors are not buying the drama. They still think that Canelo has a high edge over Plant. Though for sure there are still people who will bet for Plant in hope that upset will happen, but the majority still siding for Canelo knowing that talent and skills wise this man have a lot of advantage.

The chance that bookies implied is very small, giving such odd for Plant. If you have spare and you are into gambling, this one might give you some enticing interest to multiply or to grow your money.
And quite honestly there is not a reason to buy the drama at all, Caleb is doing everything that he can to attract more attention to himself while Canelo is just doing what he always does, which is to prepare himself for the fight and give his all when that time comes, and if that is the case then Canelo has very good odds to win this fight easily despite the record of Caleb and all the trash talking that he is doing right now.
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October 03, 2021, 08:37:41 AM
Skils and and mental advantages are both with Alvarez, no doubts that's how bookies see this event.

Obviously, as it reflected on the odds easily, Caleb could be undefeated but taking on Alverez is a nightmare, either he will get KO here or he will suffer from serious injury, just like what happened to the opponent of Canelo in his last fight.

No one would think now that Canelo would lose, if we just look at the previous fights of Canelo, we will be convinced that he is unbeatable. Anyways, for those who would insist, I would like to know what are the reasons why you think Caleb Plant could pull an upset here? willing to listen.

I do think that Canelo will win as well. I also can't see how Caleb Plant will upset Canelo, of course, if he caught Canelo with a good power punch then maybe he can score a knock out, but that chance are very slim. We've seen GGG hit him hard, but Canelo just shake it off and we didn't see him buckle a bit because Canelo has a granite chin as well. So it's really difficult for Caleb, unless really a one hail mary shot that will put Canelo in the canvass and can't beat the 10 count.
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October 03, 2021, 07:41:09 AM
Thanks for this. Yes, there is no 'sense' in betting a odds like 1.0x.

Normally I avoid bets if the odds are below 1.15. Because upsets can happen in any sport at any time and I have lost money in such occasions previously. For his fight against Avni Yıldırım, Canelo had odds of 1.02 in most of the sportsbooks (some others had him at 1.025, and a few at 1.03). For me, it doesn't make any sense to take such a risk. You are risking 50 times the amount which you are going to win under the best scenario. If you are reporting your gambling gains in the IT return, then it would mean more paperwork as well.
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October 03, 2021, 06:59:06 AM
There's no odd yet in sportsbet.io last time I check, but we still have some time once they put in live on their platform.

Stake.com odds on that match:

Caleb Plant - 5.6
Canelo Alvarez - 1.08

I agree that it will remain like that until the date of the match. No profit return for betting on Canelo. My limit on accepting small odds is only at 1.3. Betting at 1.08 is too risky even Canelo has a great chance to win in that match.

Thanks for this. Yes, there is no 'sense' in betting a odds like 1.0x.

Skils and and mental advantages are both with Alvarez, no doubts that's how bookies see this event.

Obviously, as it reflected on the odds easily, Caleb could be undefeated but taking on Alverez is a nightmare, either he will get KO here or he will suffer from serious injury, just like what happened to the opponent of Canelo in his last fight.

Most likely this could happen to Caleb, he will either folded up because of the body shot, or might got hurt in the eye socket when Canelo time his uppercut or left hook. Both are in superb shape, but I have been following Canelo's training and it seems he is unbeatable at his stage. His body and his mind is in perfect condition.
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October 03, 2021, 05:53:00 AM
Skils and and mental advantages are both with Alvarez, no doubts that's how bookies see this event.

Obviously, as it reflected on the odds easily, Caleb could be undefeated but taking on Alverez is a nightmare, either he will get KO here or he will suffer from serious injury, just like what happened to the opponent of Canelo in his last fight.

No one would think now that Canelo would lose, if we just look at the previous fights of Canelo, we will be convinced that he is unbeatable. Anyways, for those who would insist, I would like to know what are the reasons why you think Caleb Plant could pull an upset here? willing to listen.
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October 03, 2021, 04:00:18 AM
Skils and and mental advantages are both with Alvarez, no doubts that's how bookies see this event.

Obviously, as it reflected on the odds easily, Caleb could be undefeated but taking on Alverez is a nightmare, either he will get KO here or he will suffer from serious injury, just like what happened to the opponent of Canelo in his last fight.
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October 03, 2021, 12:23:17 AM

You have justified your statement, and yeah with a limited budget wouldn't give you much for a Canell win.
Good enough if you fully believe that it will be an easy fight for Alvarez and you are not a fan of taking high risk bets.

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However the real risk is betting in favour of Caleb, which the chances for him to win against one of the top pound for pound boxer is slim to none.

Plant is the underdog and there's no doubt about that as even he's also a title holder but the experienced of Alvarez is far better than him, Those heavy fights that Canelo accomplished bring him to this top spot.

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I'm not underestimating Caleb, but Canelo is just a smarter and tougher fighter between this 2, thus that gives us a small odds which barely makes any except betting a huge amount.
Skils and and mental advantages are both with Alvarez, no doubts that's how bookies see this event.
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October 02, 2021, 11:07:36 PM
Too risky? You think that Caleb has chances to win? Personally, I find him weaker than other fightes who Canelo has fought recently. But I would not bet, because there is not surprize in this fight and odds are too small. I would better bet on other event.

Clearly, you didn't understand my post. If it's not risky for you then be brave enough to bet a big amount for Canelo. Caleb is weak right? No chance to win.

Why not support your statement? Why in the end you will say you don't want to bet because odds are too small lol. An excellent argument you have there. Cheesy

Please explain how can 1.08 be risky ? You think that Caleb Plant can surprise boxing industry November 6 ? If Canelo persuasively beat top2 and top3 boxer in worlds ranking, how can a top7 be more dangerous. Btw, during press conference, Plant came to Canelo and pushed him. Canelo responded with a punch and left a cut on Plants face. Canelo has already won before their fight Cheesy

About the small odds. Instead of wasting my limited budget to win with a 1.08 odd, I would better make a bet on a different event and get more. That what I was trying to say.

You have justified your statement, and yeah with a limited budget wouldn't give you much for a Canell win.
However the real risk is betting in favour of Caleb, which the chances for him to win against one of the top pound for pound boxer is slim to none.
I'm not underestimating Caleb, but Canelo is just a smarter and tougher fighter between this 2, thus that gives us a small odds which barely makes any except betting a huge amount.
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October 02, 2021, 10:35:30 PM
I am waiting for the rounds bets and i could not find the sites i usually bet having those odds for round bets, may be i should wait till the day before the fight to see those odds, i would probably place a bet on that aspect rather than going for the money line as the odds are too small and i will be surprised if the fight goes to the distance as i am expecting Canelo Alvarez to finish the fight within 9 rounds.

Yeah.. I checked a few of the sites and couldn't find the odds for round wise win. Anyway, odds for Caleb looks slightly better, when compared to what Caleb Truax had earlier this year. Back then, Canelo was placed at -4,000. This time he is at -800 to -900.

BTW, I found a few odds here, but this site is not a sportsbook (it is more like a boxing analysis and prediction site):
https://bettinginsiderjournal.com/boxing/canelo-vs-plant-prediction-prop-bets/

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Fight goes to decision:   +166
Fight doesn’t go to decision:   -235
Plant wins by TKO/KO:   +1200
Caneo wins by TKO/KO:   -175
Plant wins by decison:   +1000
Canelo wins by decision:   +230
Plant wins in round 1-4:   +3100
Canelo wins in round 1-4:   +600
Plant wins in round 5-8:   +3100
Canelo wins in round 5-8:   +230
Plant wins in round 9-12:   +3100
Canelo wins in round 9-12:   +330
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October 02, 2021, 04:07:01 PM
Too risky? You think that Caleb has chances to win? Personally, I find him weaker than other fightes who Canelo has fought recently. But I would not bet, because there is not surprize in this fight and odds are too small. I would better bet on other event.
I am waiting for the rounds bets and i could not find the sites i usually bet having those odds for round bets, may be i should wait till the day before the fight to see those odds, i would probably place a bet on that aspect rather than going for the money line as the odds are too small and i will be surprised if the fight goes to the distance as i am expecting Canelo Alvarez to finish the fight within 9 rounds.
It's not available for now, it's still too early, yes, just wait probably a day before the actual fight more odds will be displayed. By the way, what betting sites are you using, do they have the odds already on this particular fight? Can you to us so we could also check by ourselves?
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October 02, 2021, 03:12:55 PM
Too risky? You think that Caleb has chances to win? Personally, I find him weaker than other fightes who Canelo has fought recently. But I would not bet, because there is not surprize in this fight and odds are too small. I would better bet on other event.
I am waiting for the rounds bets and i could not find the sites i usually bet having those odds for round bets, may be i should wait till the day before the fight to see those odds, i would probably place a bet on that aspect rather than going for the money line as the odds are too small and i will be surprised if the fight goes to the distance as i am expecting Canelo Alvarez to finish the fight within 9 rounds.
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October 02, 2021, 03:00:07 PM
Too risky? You think that Caleb has chances to win? Personally, I find him weaker than other fightes who Canelo has fought recently. But I would not bet, because there is not surprize in this fight and odds are too small. I would better bet on other event.

Clearly, you didn't understand my post. If it's not risky for you then be brave enough to bet a big amount for Canelo. Caleb is weak right? No chance to win.

Why not support your statement? Why in the end you will say you don't want to bet because odds are too small lol. An excellent argument you have there. Cheesy

Please explain how can 1.08 be risky ? You think that Caleb Plant can surprise boxing industry November 6 ? If Canelo persuasively beat top2 and top3 boxer in worlds ranking, how can a top7 be more dangerous. Btw, during press conference, Plant came to Canelo and pushed him. Canelo responded with a punch and left a cut on Plants face. Canelo has already won before their fight Cheesy

About the small odds. Instead of wasting my limited budget to win with a 1.08 odd, I would better make a bet on a different event and get more. That what I was trying to say.

Good point, your limited budget would take you nowhere if you will bet on the 1.08 odds, maybe wait until more betting odds will be displayed and look for a better odds on this fight, you don't need to just select on who will win, you can could on how Canelo will win.
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