[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Caleb Plant - page 31.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 26, 2021, 06:20:49 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 25, 2021, 11:10:56 PM

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd).

That's a big accusation. I don't know on what part Canelo cheated but their fight was intense.

Maybe you are reading speculations and controversies much rather than the technical side. I like to have their rematch too to finally closed the door. Better to place a bet on Caleb Plant if you don't like Canelo. The odds are attractive and worth risking a bet. Who knows upset will happened.

My statements are not based on any news article. I am a big fan of GGG and I watched both matches live. I was also following the scorecard provided by CBS Sports and other third parties. At the end of the fight, GGG was ahead on everyone's scorecard. Compubox had GGG winning 10 out of the 12 rounds. But to our surprise, the judges scored the fight in a different way. Dave Moretti had GGG at 115 and Canelo at 113. Don Trella had it 114-114. And the surprise package was Adalaide Byrd, who scored the fight 118–110 for Canelo. I believe that Byrd was not watching the same fight everyone else was watching. Even if it was a close fight (which I am not going to agree), how can anyone have a score of 118-110?

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Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

I guess a lot of us would also disagree that Canelo cheated GGG, that was a close fight and I think Canelo deserves that win. We want to see the 3rd match, but it seems like it's not gonna happen but what Canelo has been showing, he showed dominance in boxing and if GGG and Canelo will fight for the 3rd time, I guess Canelo has the edge as he is the younger fighter and a more active one.

I saw the two fights and I'm not a fan of both fighters but I agree with the decision of the judges on both fights the first and the second match, it's a close fight and the fight could go either way, it's on the appreciation of the judges but yeah I agree on you that there should be a third match to settle once and for all and there's a possibility of a fourth match if GGG wins but Canelo is on another level now.

GGG is an old man now. The fans were robbed of the opportunity to see the trilogy. If they fought again I wouldn't expect it to be competitive. GGG has not been very active in recent years and Canelo has moved to higher weight classes.

And in GGG last fight, we has not that sensational anymore, so maybe Alvarez has taken something out of GGG in the second fight because he was not the same fighter anymore. And he is about 40 years old already, we have seen Pacquiao fighting at 42 and it didn't look good.

So I agree that it won't be as competitive as before since father time is also catching up with GGG and we all know that no one can beat it, no matter how great you are specially in boxing.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 26, 2021, 06:20:49 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 25, 2021, 11:10:56 PM

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd).

That's a big accusation. I don't know on what part Canelo cheated but their fight was intense.

Maybe you are reading speculations and controversies much rather than the technical side. I like to have their rematch too to finally closed the door. Better to place a bet on Caleb Plant if you don't like Canelo. The odds are attractive and worth risking a bet. Who knows upset will happened.

Maybe he was referring to their first fight wherein it was a draw and majority thinks that GGG did enough to win the fight. And then in the second fight, it was really close and it can go either way. But Canelo was the winner and then GGG wanted a trilogy, actually it was very close to happen until Canelo bolted out Oscar Dela Hoya Golden Boy promotions.

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Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

I guess a lot of us would also disagree that Canelo cheated GGG, that was a close fight and I think Canelo deserves that win. We want to see the 3rd match, but it seems like it's not gonna happen but what Canelo has been showing, he showed dominance in boxing and if GGG and Canelo will fight for the 3rd time, I guess Canelo has the edge as he is the younger fighter and a more active one.

I saw the two fights and I'm not a fan of both fighters but I agree with the decision of the judges on both fights the first and the second match, it's a close fight and the fight could go either way, it's on the appreciation of the judges but yeah I agree on you that there should be a third match to settle once and for all and there's a possibility of a fourth match if GGG wins but Canelo is on another level now.

GGG is an old man now. The fans were robbed of the opportunity to see the trilogy. If they fought again I wouldn't expect it to be competitive. GGG has not been very active in recent years and Canelo has moved to higher weight classes.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 25, 2021, 11:10:56 PM

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd).

That's a big accusation. I don't know on what part Canelo cheated but their fight was intense.

Maybe you are reading speculations and controversies much rather than the technical side. I like to have their rematch too to finally closed the door. Better to place a bet on Caleb Plant if you don't like Canelo. The odds are attractive and worth risking a bet. Who knows upset will happened.

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Quote from: Kasabus on August 26, 2021, 06:32:50 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 25, 2021, 11:10:56 PM

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

I guess a lot of us would also disagree that Canelo cheated GGG, that was a close fight and I think Canelo deserves that win. We want to see the 3rd match, but it seems like it's not gonna happen but what Canelo has been showing, he showed dominance in boxing and if GGG and Canelo will fight for the 3rd time, I guess Canelo has the edge as he is the younger fighter and a more active one.

I saw the two fights and I'm not a fan of both fighters but I agree with the decision of the judges on both fights the first and the second match, it's a close fight and the fight could go either way, it's on the appreciation of the judges but yeah I agree on you that there should be a third match to settle once and for all and there's a possibility of a fourth match if GGG wins but Canelo is on another level now.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on August 26, 2021, 01:07:51 PM

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Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

You're really mad of Canelo mate, might take a backseat and chill for awhile because you might get the wrong and end up with nothing but disappointment. Look at the skills of the two and compare them, you can't wish someone to lose if you know that they're somehow better than their opponents right? Give credit where credits due.

There's no evidence that the cheating happened, it's just speculation and some fans see that way as they are biased, so they'll not appreciate a specific fighter. Canelo maybe has not faced an opponent like GGG after their fight, but let's give him the credit for winning most of his fights easily because he has been training hard to improve and develop his skills.

The loss to Mayweather was a wake-up call for him, if they'll meet again, I'm sure Canelo will teach that runner a lesson.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 25, 2021, 11:10:56 PM

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

You're really mad of Canelo mate, might take a backseat and chill for awhile because you might get the wrong and end up with nothing but disappointment. Look at the skills of the two and compare them, you can't wish someone to lose if you know that they're somehow better than their opponents right? Give credit where credits due.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 25, 2021, 11:10:56 PM

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

If he beat Caleb Plant then he has clean this division already. But he also said that this is his weight classes. So we really don't know for sure if he is still willing to move up to LHW, although he had done it before and beat Kovalev. There are 2 champions that are waiting for him, Bivol and Beterviev, but those two are non-American and not that popular so if the money might not be there. But it will be a good fight for sure for Canelo for either one of those champions.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 25, 2021, 11:10:56 PM

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

I guess a lot of us would also disagree that Canelo cheated GGG, that was a close fight and I think Canelo deserves that win. We want to see the 3rd match, but it seems like it's not gonna happen but what Canelo has been showing, he showed dominance in boxing and if GGG and Canelo will fight for the 3rd time, I guess Canelo has the edge as he is the younger fighter and a more active one.

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Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 25, 2021, 03:46:30 AM

Quote from: Xinarae* on August 24, 2021, 10:06:59 PM

It will take some time to put on the caleb plant, but I think alvarez will stop him at 10 th round he is very influential and hard to beat for boxing.

I don't predict any round but I'm betting on Alvarez to win its hard to give the exact round, Plant is capable of giving a knock out he has a good knock out percentage he can upset Alvarez, I don't think the word influential is appropriate on this match but I'm glad that finally, we will know who is the undisputed king of Middleweight whoever wins in this match will have a great future as well as legacy.

Then the odds are not going to be attractive I believed for Alvarez at ML.

He might have a good knock out percentage, my most of his fights are won by decision. And Alvarez has a good chin too, so I don't see him knocking him out. GGG hit Alvarez flash, but he didn't flinch, do you think that Plant is more powerful than GGG? Alvarez is already the king of Middleweight division no doubt about that. This might be a cherry on top if he beats Plant.

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Skills and knowledge about how your opponents fought, this has big impacts in every fight.

Whoever fighter inside the ring they are all after the lapses coming from their opponents, once they've seen a good opening they will grab it immediately knowing that it won't be always there for them, both fighters have that capabilities to win only fans and analyst gives their own opinions about the fighter but if chance gives them some good insight, they will take it down to win the fight.

Of course skills and knowledge has big impact, it's the core of the match and what the fighters aspire to improve upon. Yes, opening could be a good way to win but what if those opening was a bait that was opened for a reason so you can take it and have them counter attack your strike on that opening.

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They still have time to practice some kind of unique skills to surprise each other because as we saw yesterday, an unexpected strategy is the most effective one. No matter how good your opponent if you come with a nice and smooth strategy that will leave him clueless to counter, he won't gonna beat you, or you might end up winning with TKO because upsets will make your opponent lose control of the fight.

Not really in my opinion, this isn't an eSports, what they need to do is outsmart each other because this match and I suppose every boxing match is a mind game that can make someone win if they are successful outsmarting them, of course the punches and endurance are a part of it too but dumb punches don't win matches.

Skills and knowledge about how your opponents fought, this has big impacts in every fight.

Whoever fighter inside the ring they are all after the lapses coming from their opponents, once they've seen a good opening they will grab it immediately knowing that it won't be always there for them, both fighters have that capabilities to win only fans and analyst gives their own opinions about the fighter but if chance gives them some good insight, they will take it down to win the fight.

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Quote from: yazher on August 23, 2021, 03:41:12 AM

Quote from: Obito on August 23, 2021, 02:53:00 AM

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They still have time to practice some kind of unique skills to surprise each other because as we saw yesterday, an unexpected strategy is the most effective one. No matter how good your opponent if you come with a nice and smooth strategy that will leave him clueless to counter, he won't gonna beat you, or you might end up winning with TKO because upsets will make your opponent lose control of the fight.

Not really in my opinion, this isn't an eSports, what they need to do is outsmart each other because this match and I suppose every boxing match is a mind game that can make someone win if they are successful outsmarting them, of course the punches and endurance are a part of it too but dumb punches don't win matches.

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Quote from: Xinarae* on August 24, 2021, 10:06:59 PM

It will take some time to put on the caleb plant, but I think alvarez will stop him at 10 th round he is very influential and hard to beat for boxing.

I don't predict any round but I'm betting on Alvarez to win its hard to give the exact round, Plant is capable of giving a knock out he has a good knock out percentage he can upset Alvarez, I don't think the word influential is appropriate on this match but I'm glad that finally, we will know who is the undisputed king of Middleweight whoever wins in this match will have a great future as well as legacy.

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Quote from: Kong Hey Pakboy on August 25, 2021, 01:29:03 AM

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Canelo Alvarez vs caleb plant are both good fighters but this fight can be very tough for alvarez canelo is strong and big and he has world class skills.

For real though, who is going to have a tough time? Mind your grammar next time or structure so no one gets confused. For me, Canelo will be the favorite in this match since he's a much better fighter than Caleb but that doesn't mean that Caleb doesn't have a chance, he's a champion too after all but he has to put extra work if he wants to win against Canelo.

Yes, Canelo will be the favourite in this fight, remember that Canelo broke Billy Joe Saunders orbital bone in their fight. So you can see how powerful Canelo is, to be able to hurt someone with that uppercut. He also took Callum Smith's 0 and then KO one of the best LHW in Kovalev 2 years ago. So he is on a path to destroy everyone in his way. So I'm predicting that Canelo will win against Plant, maybe another KO victory for him if Plant is not careful.

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Quote from: Xinarae* on August 24, 2021, 10:06:59 PM

Canelo Alvarez vs caleb plant are both good fighters but this fight can be very tough for alvarez canelo is strong and big and he has world class skills.

For real though, who is going to have a tough time? Mind your grammar next time or structure so no one gets confused. For me, Canelo will be the favorite in this match since he's a much better fighter than Caleb but that doesn't mean that Caleb doesn't have a chance, he's a champion too after all but he has to put extra work if he wants to win against Canelo.

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Canelo Alvarez vs caleb plant are both good fighters but this fight can be very tough for alvarez canelo is strong and big and he has world class skills. Alvarez wanted the best at 168 and caleb probably did but I don’t think anyone 168 or below can beat alvarez at this point in his career e his very good very strong and very smart. It will take some time to put on the caleb plant, but I think alvarez will stop him at 10 th round he is very influential and hard to beat for boxing.

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Quote from: Kemarit on August 24, 2021, 09:13:52 PM

Hah, not worth the money on Canelo ML line here. Might be looking for other options like a KO win and what round it will end.

It's hard to go against Canelo right now, of course we can't rule out an upset, but then again it is Canelo who is so dominant in this last fights that his opponent as just turtling out because of the power on both his hands. I would say that his left hook has improved a lot and that body shot can put you on the floor for good minutes because it's hard to recover from it.

Both boxers have quite impressive winning careers, so of course it will be very difficult to predict who will win in that fight, but I think the fight will last until the last round so the numbers will determine the winner, I think although Canelo Alvarez's fight record is better than Plant, but Alvares can't underestimate Caleb Plant who is currently the super middleweight king of the IBF version with an undefeated record and for sure Caleb Plant will certainly defend his IBF belt with all his might.

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