[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Caleb Plant - page 30.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on August 28, 2021, 04:26:41 PM

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The last time I checked he was at +550. Anyway I will be going for him. Canelo is not looking like he is invincible. Already we had an upset a few days ago (Yordenis Ugás vs Manny Paquiao) and I guess the time is right for another one.

It's risky but it's a big jackpot if Caleb Plant upsets Canelo and you bet on Caleb Plant, but I beg to disagree on the comparison when it comes to upset, upsets can happen but it is not something people expected, and no one expects an upset it just comes when all least expects it to happen, could be a lucky punch or the other boxer is injured or come unprepared.

^ That is possible for Caleb even it seems he is probably an underdog here and the odds were in favor of Alvarez, that is right, we can compare this fight to the fight of Manny Pacquaio and not all underdog has no chance to win. This is a very interesting fight and the perfect match, they are almost the same stat that could be anytime Caleb will possibly be upset Alvarez in the middle of the 12 rounds.
The odds are here, https://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/saul-alvarez-v-caleb-plant/winner, there is a chance that Caleb will probably become in a favor of the odds.

Caleb at +600, that's a pretty decent odd and I understand why Canelo is heavily favored because he beat all his opponents this year without any struggle. Put him an opponent of any size and he will dismantle it, he becomes a technical fighter, he works using his mind and you can see why he is very smart in the ring, not too aggressive to KO an opponent but always find an opening to hurt his opponent.

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The last time I checked he was at +550. Anyway I will be going for him. Canelo is not looking like he is invincible. Already we had an upset a few days ago (Yordenis Ugás vs Manny Paquiao) and I guess the time is right for another one.

It's risky but it's a big jackpot if Caleb Plant upsets Canelo and you bet on Caleb Plant, but I beg to disagree on the comparison when it comes to upset, upsets can happen but it is not something people expected, and no one expects an upset it just comes when all least expects it to happen, could be a lucky punch or the other boxer is injured or come unprepared.

^ That is possible for Caleb even it seems he is probably an underdog here and the odds were in favor of Alvarez, that is right, we can compare this fight to the fight of Manny Pacquaio and not all underdog has no chance to win. This is a very interesting fight and the perfect match, they are almost the same stat that could be anytime Caleb will possibly be upset Alvarez in the middle of the 12 rounds.
The odds are here, https://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/saul-alvarez-v-caleb-plant/winner, there is a chance that Caleb will probably become in a favor of the odds.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 27, 2021, 11:50:52 PM

Quote from: Dave1 on August 27, 2021, 11:23:28 PM

That is true, but you have to understand that Joshua was overlooking Ruiz that time and thinking ahead of a Fury fight, and he avenge his defeat. And same as where you got your quote with, Tyson was upset by Buster Douglas, a 42:1 underdog.

But don't you think that Canelo is underestimating Caleb Plant? I doubt that, he has a good team behind him, guiding him on every direction. Unless he was hit by Plant like a hail mary shot in the chin or in his ear, then we might see an upset.

I wasn't even following boxing in 1990 when Buster Douglas scored a KO victory over Mike Tyson. But it just shows how common upsets are in professional boxing. If the odds given above are true, then this has to be one of the biggest upsets in any sporting event. And I am sure that Caleb Plant has much better odds than +4200. The last time I checked he was at +550. Anyway I will be going for him. Canelo is not looking like he is invincible. Already we had an upset a few days ago (Yordenis Ugás vs Manny Paquiao) and I guess the time is right for another one.

Why not, maybe he can pull one of the biggest upset or not. That's why boxing is very unpredictable because it will only take one punch to change the outcome. And if you really like the underdog, then Caleb Plant is a live one here.

Canelo though looks invincible to me, he is just about to get into the peak of his boxing career, skills wise and he has a good coach as well. In any case, good luck to your bet.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 27, 2021, 11:50:52 PM

The last time I checked he was at +550. Anyway I will be going for him. Canelo is not looking like he is invincible. Already we had an upset a few days ago (Yordenis Ugás vs Manny Paquiao) and I guess the time is right for another one.

It's risky but it's a big jackpot if Caleb Plant upsets Canelo and you bet on Caleb Plant, but I beg to disagree on the comparison when it comes to upset, upsets can happen but it is not something people expected, and no one expects an upset it just comes when all least expects it to happen, could be a lucky punch or the other boxer is injured or come unprepared.

Not everyone thinks that the favorite will win, mostly, it's called an upset if the betting odds of the favorites are very high that he is not likely to lose, just like the Pacquiao vs Ugas, the odds of Ugas is only +275 and he is even the champion, and yet when he defeated Pacquiao, we called it an upset.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 27, 2021, 11:50:52 PM

The last time I checked he was at +550. Anyway I will be going for him. Canelo is not looking like he is invincible. Already we had an upset a few days ago (Yordenis Ugás vs Manny Paquiao) and I guess the time is right for another one.

It's risky but it's a big jackpot if Caleb Plant upsets Canelo and you bet on Caleb Plant, but I beg to disagree on the comparison when it comes to upset, upsets can happen but it is not something people expected, and no one expects an upset it just comes when all least expects it to happen, could be a lucky punch or the other boxer is injured or come unprepared.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 27, 2021, 11:50:52 PM

Already we had an upset a few days ago (Yordenis Ugás vs Manny Paquiao) and I guess the time is right for another one.

Can't feel the same about the fight between Canelo and Caleb. These guys are on the prime and since they are on prime they should have an equal provided odds but it's not. Caleb Plant is a strong boxer too, a champion and ranked as 2nd best active super-middleweight but with the odds provided, he just becomes an ordinary boxer against Canelo. Now you should get my point.

Goodluck with your bet. Upset means a big profit to you.

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Quote from: Dave1 on August 27, 2021, 11:23:28 PM

That is true, but you have to understand that Joshua was overlooking Ruiz that time and thinking ahead of a Fury fight, and he avenge his defeat. And same as where you got your quote with, Tyson was upset by Buster Douglas, a 42:1 underdog.

But don't you think that Canelo is underestimating Caleb Plant? I doubt that, he has a good team behind him, guiding him on every direction. Unless he was hit by Plant like a hail mary shot in the chin or in his ear, then we might see an upset.

I wasn't even following boxing in 1990 when Buster Douglas scored a KO victory over Mike Tyson. But it just shows how common upsets are in professional boxing. If the odds given above are true, then this has to be one of the biggest upsets in any sporting event. And I am sure that Caleb Plant has much better odds than +4200. The last time I checked he was at +550. Anyway I will be going for him. Canelo is not looking like he is invincible. Already we had an upset a few days ago (Yordenis Ugás vs Manny Paquiao) and I guess the time is right for another one.

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They still have time to practice some kind of unique skills to surprise each other because as we saw yesterday, an unexpected strategy is the most effective one. No matter how good your opponent if you come with a nice and smooth strategy that will leave him clueless to counter, he won't gonna beat you, or you might end up winning with TKO because upsets will make your opponent lose control of the fight.

Not really in my opinion, this isn't an eSports, what they need to do is outsmart each other because this match and I suppose every boxing match is a mind game that can make someone win if they are successful outsmarting them, of course the punches and endurance are a part of it too but dumb punches don't win matches.

Skills and knowledge about how your opponents fought, this has big impacts in every fight.

Whoever fighter inside the ring they are all after the lapses coming from their opponents, once they've seen a good opening they will grab it immediately knowing that it won't be always there for them, both fighters have that capabilities to win only fans and analyst gives their own opinions about the fighter but if chance gives them some good insight, they will take it down to win the fight.

In the words of the legendary Mike Tyson ‘Everybody has a plan until they are punched in the mouth’ this is why predicting the outcome of a fight is always difficult as a single punch can be more than enough to change the whole fight, and what better example than the Ruiz vs Joshua fight in which Ruiz connected Joshua with a punch behind his ear and since that moment Joshua was unable to recover and this created one of the biggest upsets during this decade.

That is true, but you have to understand that Joshua was overlooking Ruiz that time and thinking ahead of a Fury fight, and he avenge his defeat. And same as where you got your quote with, Tyson was upset by Buster Douglas, a 42:1 underdog.

But don't you think that Canelo is underestimating Caleb Plant? I doubt that, he has a good team behind him, guiding him on every direction. Unless he was hit by Plant like a hail mary shot in the chin or in his ear, then we might see an upset.

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Quote from: harizen on August 27, 2021, 07:23:08 PM

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Unless Plant has that advantage, there is a chance that he can upset Canelo but going toe to toe might be a dangerous plan for him as Canelo is well known to have a granite chin and Plant might be the one to go down if this scenario happens in the ring.

Agree. Every possible way to defeat Canelo needs risky actions - fight the guy within his comfort zone and try to find a hole to pinned him down. It's no secret that fighting Canelo in close combat is like saying "no choice" although Caleb surely knows that and already plans on how to at least takes advantage against Canelo.

Caleb knows the distance between him and Canelo so surely he's been in the situation already that he undergoes a brainstorming on how to defeat the dominant Canelo and try to upset the fight.

And we haven't seen Canelo really getting in the danger zone so we really don't know how he will react if he was behind the scorecard or something.

That chin though hasn't been broken so it will be a big job for Plant to even land a flush shot on Canelo's chin. If he has power then maybe Canelo will feel that, but after that he could recover as well. One way is to really box Canelo, like what Lara did years ago as he was close to upset Canelo that time. But Caleb Plant is no boxer as he is a square foot fighter and willing to go toe to toe.

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Quote from: South Park on August 27, 2021, 07:18:33 PM

In the words of the legendary Mike Tyson ‘Everybody has a plan until they are punched in the mouth’ this is why predicting the outcome of a fight is always difficult as a single punch can be more than enough to change the whole fight, and what better example than the Ruiz vs Joshua fight in which Ruiz connected Joshua with a punch behind his ear and since that moment Joshua was unable to recover and this created one of the biggest upsets during this decade.

This only applies to weak fighters or fighters who underestimate their opponent, Canelo is not a weak fighter or one who underestimates his opponents, he only comes prepared and with plans to execute, and he executed those plans perfectly, in boxing planning and preparation is very important, Canelo is the kind of fighter with a lot of plans in his arsenal and he employs it at the right time and at the right opponent.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on August 27, 2021, 06:53:44 PM

Unless Plant has that advantage, there is a chance that he can upset Canelo but going toe to toe might be a dangerous plan for him as Canelo is well known to have a granite chin and Plant might be the one to go down if this scenario happens in the ring.

Agree. Every possible way to defeat Canelo needs risky actions - fight the guy within his comfort zone and try to find a hole to pinned him down. It's no secret that fighting Canelo in close combat is like saying "no choice" although Caleb surely knows that and already plans on how to at least takes advantage against Canelo.

Caleb knows the distance between him and Canelo so surely he's been in the situation already that he undergoes a brainstorming on how to defeat the dominant Canelo and try to upset the fight.

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Quote from: Obito on August 23, 2021, 03:53:00 AM

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They still have time to practice some kind of unique skills to surprise each other because as we saw yesterday, an unexpected strategy is the most effective one. No matter how good your opponent if you come with a nice and smooth strategy that will leave him clueless to counter, he won't gonna beat you, or you might end up winning with TKO because upsets will make your opponent lose control of the fight.

Not really in my opinion, this isn't an eSports, what they need to do is outsmart each other because this match and I suppose every boxing match is a mind game that can make someone win if they are successful outsmarting them, of course the punches and endurance are a part of it too but dumb punches don't win matches.

Skills and knowledge about how your opponents fought, this has big impacts in every fight.

Whoever fighter inside the ring they are all after the lapses coming from their opponents, once they've seen a good opening they will grab it immediately knowing that it won't be always there for them, both fighters have that capabilities to win only fans and analyst gives their own opinions about the fighter but if chance gives them some good insight, they will take it down to win the fight.

In the words of the legendary Mike Tyson ‘Everybody has a plan until they are punched in the mouth’ this is why predicting the outcome of a fight is always difficult as a single punch can be more than enough to change the whole fight, and what better example than the Ruiz vs Joshua fight in which Ruiz connected Joshua with a punch behind his ear and since that moment Joshua was unable to recover and this created one of the biggest upsets during this decade.

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Quote from: aioc on August 27, 2021, 06:27:49 PM

It will have a significant impact if Plant knows how to use this advantage remember Mayweather beat him by exploring his advantage, Floyd is good defensively and perfects offensively, if he can polish his defense he has a good chance, style makes a fight as they say Plant should be ready to employ different styles and be ready go toe to toe like what GGG did, Canelo is good predator he is good at trapping his opponent.

Yeah, I agree that Caleb Plant should make use of his advantages but unfortunately, that advantage of him is not like that of Mayweather. The latter has lateral speed and footwork thus Canelo was having a hard time hitting Mayweather.

Unless Plant has that advantage, there is a chance that he can upset Canelo but going toe to toe might be a dangerous plan for him as Canelo is well known to have a granite chin and Plant might be the one to go down if this scenario happens in the ring.

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After the defeat of Billy Joe Saunders in the fight with Canelo, bookmakers no longer believe
that the Mexican star can be stopped by at least someone in the middle division.

Plant is 12 centimeters taller than his opponent, and his arm span is 9 centimeters larger.
I wonder if the parameters can affect the chances of winning?

No, I don't think it will have a significant impact on the fight. Caleb Plant might have a advantage with his reach, but the question is how can he effectively use it against Alvarez who also have a superb head movement. Kovalev at LHW has also that same advantage but Canelo nullified it with superior timing. Saunders also did that in the beginning, but the uppercut put a dent on his eye because of Canelo's power.

It will have a significant impact if Plant knows how to use this advantage remember Mayweather beat him by exploring his advantage, Floyd is good defensively and perfects offensively, if he can polish his defense he has a good chance, style makes a fight as they say Plant should be ready to employ different styles and be ready go toe to toe like what GGG did, Canelo is good predator he is good at trapping his opponent.

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Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

I guess a lot of us would also disagree that Canelo cheated GGG, that was a close fight and I think Canelo deserves that win. We want to see the 3rd match, but it seems like it's not gonna happen but what Canelo has been showing, he showed dominance in boxing and if GGG and Canelo will fight for the 3rd time, I guess Canelo has the edge as he is the younger fighter and a more active one.

I saw the two fights and I'm not a fan of both fighters but I agree with the decision of the judges on both fights the first and the second match, it's a close fight and the fight could go either way, it's on the appreciation of the judges but yeah I agree on you that there should be a third match to settle once and for all and there's a possibility of a fourth match if GGG wins but Canelo is on another level now.

It was a split decision, so it was really close, as a fan, we could be biased because we are seeing a close fight, but the judges, know better as that is their job, so we have to respect the outcome of the fight. Besides, Canelo is not undefeated, he lose against Mayweather via Unanimous decision and that's his only lose in his career, and yet he still become one of the best fighters in our generation now.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on August 27, 2021, 05:53:21 AM

Quote from: finist4x on August 27, 2021, 03:44:38 AM

After the defeat of Billy Joe Saunders in the fight with Canelo, bookmakers no longer believe
that the Mexican star can be stopped by at least someone in the middle division.

Plant is 12 centimeters taller than his opponent, and his arm span is 9 centimeters larger.
I wonder if the parameters can affect the chances of winning?

No, I don't think it will have a significant impact on the fight. Caleb Plant might have a advantage with his reach, but the question is how can he effectively use it against Alvarez who also have a superb head movement. Kovalev at LHW has also that same advantage but Canelo nullified it with superior timing. Saunders also did that in the beginning, but the uppercut put a dent on his eye because of Canelo's power.

Alvarez still in his prime he's only 31 years old, and that reach advantage won't have that much impact.

unlike with how Pacquiao and Ugas where the age gap really plays the big role, as even Pacquiao still have
Those heavy punches but his speed is no longer the same. I just remembered how Ugas use the reached advantage
over Pacquiao and he really done it well to win the fight.

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Quote from: finist4x on August 27, 2021, 03:44:38 AM

After the defeat of Billy Joe Saunders in the fight with Canelo, bookmakers no longer believe
that the Mexican star can be stopped by at least someone in the middle division.

Plant is 12 centimeters taller than his opponent, and his arm span is 9 centimeters larger.
I wonder if the parameters can affect the chances of winning?

No, I don't think it will have a significant impact on the fight. Caleb Plant might have a advantage with his reach, but the question is how can he effectively use it against Alvarez who also have a superb head movement. Kovalev at LHW has also that same advantage but Canelo nullified it with superior timing. Saunders also did that in the beginning, but the uppercut put a dent on his eye because of Canelo's power.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 26, 2021, 12:10:56 AM

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

Seems like you are holding a bit of grudge against Alvarez mate

. No worries since its your opinion.
I don't think though that a 3rd match between them will happen again but it would be good if we see them fight again for the third time.

Well after the Saunders fight, it seems that it is the main plan of Alvarez. To unify all the belts and now he is one win away before achieving that. I just watched some of the highlights of Plant and he is a sneaky counter puncher and good in defending himself too thru head movement - the same as what Alvarez was doing in his past fights. TBH, its really hard to predict who can win but it seems like Alvarez again is the favorite to win on this match.

Quote from: finist4x on August 27, 2021, 03:44:38 AM

Plant is 12 centimeters taller than his opponent, and his arm span is 9 centimeters larger.
I wonder if the parameters can affect the chances of winning?

We saw how Ugas maximized his arm span and length when he fought Pacquiao. Jabs, jabs and more jabs.
This might happen to this fight too. Not necessarily jabs but Plant will maximize his length and reach advantage for sure. On the other hand, I know that Alvarez can adjust to it and he also defeated fighters who are taller and have a longer reach than him. Still, its hard to predict who will win because both of them are strong.

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After the defeat of Billy Joe Saunders in the fight with Canelo, bookmakers no longer believe
that the Mexican star can be stopped by at least someone in the middle division.

Plant is 12 centimeters taller than his opponent, and his arm span is 9 centimeters larger.
I wonder if the parameters can affect the chances of winning?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 26, 2021, 11:45:10 PM

My statements are not based on any news article. I am a big fan of GGG and I watched both matches live. I was also following the scorecard provided by CBS Sports and other third parties. At the end of the fight, GGG was ahead on everyone's scorecard. Compubox had GGG winning 10 out of the 12 rounds. But to our surprise, the judges scored the fight in a different way. Dave Moretti had GGG at 115 and Canelo at 113. Don Trella had it 114-114. And the surprise package was Adalaide Byrd, who scored the fight 118–110 for Canelo. I believe that Byrd was not watching the same fight everyone else was watching. Even if it was a close fight (which I am not going to agree), how can anyone have a score of 118-110?

It's not robbed nor cheated score, but it's more depends how the judge gave the score based on his view/point. I was shocked too about the 118-110 score which is Canelo really dominating the fights for 10 rounds, because when I watch the match it's really close fight (it's up to you do determine whether close or not). But Canelo still deserve the win, his straight punch is more accurate to GGG face and has a lot power compared GGG gave more punches to Canelo but not so accurate.

More over, if Adalaide Byrd is not fair and not professional as a judge of course she will get fired, but the fact isn't.

There's still a chance Caleb Plant could win on this match, but it's just a little opportunity I guess.

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