[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Caleb Plant - page 28.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 01, 2021, 10:20:21 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on September 01, 2021, 04:40:59 PM

That's the right term. Canelo is using his brain in each fight that he has. Observing and not rushing things out, he just waiting for the right timing and not to allow his opponent to reorganize once he throw solid punches.

We've seen him from all those previous fights where he won and continue to dominate his division.

Plant needs to outsmart Canelo if he wanted to win this fight, he can use the same tactics observing and trying to absorb those heavy
punches that Canelo may throw to him and find the better angles where to hit back and try to make killer punch to win.

The last time Canelo lost was 8 years ago, against Floyd Mayweather Jr. (fight for WBA light middleweight title). You can check the highlights of the fight here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hws-4eDDchw

Floyd wasn't overly aggressive in the beginning. He used his maneuverability and reflexes to frustrate Canelo. But almost a decade has passed since this fight and Canelo has improved a lot. So I am not sure whether Plat will be successful if he tries with the same approach.

Watching the highlights, I'm impressed with Mayweather's performance here as he was not running, he fought Canelo toe to toe and the fans seem to be happy watching the fight. Canelo has really improved, but we did not also see a new Mayweather with a good defensive style, so the competition is not too high though.

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If I predict the boxing between Canelo vs Caleb, it will be postponed to next year or cancelled, the management of both camps has nothing in common in the negotiation agreement last august, This statement was broadcast live on private TV which stated that Canelo did not agree with their scheduled match schedule for September 18 this year, Canelo asked for a guarantee against him of £ 28 million, No one has agreed on a budget of that size, if Canelo's request is not fulfilled, my prediction is that the boxing between Canelo vs Caleb will change course, two possibilities are canceled or continued, there is still no meeting point between the two of them when they do determine the match schedule.

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Quote from: Fredomago on September 01, 2021, 04:40:59 PM

That's the right term. Canelo is using his brain in each fight that he has. Observing and not rushing things out, he just waiting for the right timing and not to allow his opponent to reorganize once he throw solid punches.

We've seen him from all those previous fights where he won and continue to dominate his division.

Plant needs to outsmart Canelo if he wanted to win this fight, he can use the same tactics observing and trying to absorb those heavy
punches that Canelo may throw to him and find the better angles where to hit back and try to make killer punch to win.

The last time Canelo lost was 8 years ago, against Floyd Mayweather Jr. (fight for WBA light middleweight title). You can check the highlights of the fight here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hws-4eDDchw

Floyd wasn't overly aggressive in the beginning. He used his maneuverability and reflexes to frustrate Canelo. But almost a decade has passed since this fight and Canelo has improved a lot. So I am not sure whether Plat will be successful if he tries with the same approach.

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Quote from: Fredomago on August 30, 2021, 01:50:24 PM

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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 06, 2021, 09:57:51 AM

Another fight that wont give Canelo anything except money and a chance to get injured by an opponent from higher weight division.
If Canelo is up to money that much, he should challenge one of Paul brothers. That will be an easy fight and easy money.

How many more year Canelo is planning to be in business? I think it is time for him to retire (not because of age, but because there are no more strong opponents left) or move to other division.

I don't think he should retire this early. He is a strong and a reputable boxer. He can still fight against more opponents that are on the same level of him in terms of fighting in a match. If you'll watch closely during his matches, he always throws powerful punches and is very strategic. He knows when to attack and how to aim directly at the target. This makes him a very good opponent because surely, everytime you will watch his game, you will be entertained by his charisma inside the boxing ring.

He can still make more money if he will continue his boxing career. Besides, I think he is enjoying his profession and not just after money alone.

He can still make more money, so why bother to retire as early as now, somehow new challenger will come up and fans will demand for him to continue showing his greatness.

The more entertaining fight the more fans that will continue to support him, He dominated this level and when another challenger calls for him he needed to defend his title and for sure that where he will get more money, the promoters will assure him to bank out huge amount as assurance whatever happened after the fight.

Boxers already retire when they are wash up, Alvarez is just reaching his peak that's why nobody can beat him at this point. Maybe when he is on his 40's, maybe his ass are going to get serve, but currently no, not even the brandish Caleb Plant has a chance against him.

Yeah, money is good for him and everyone that surrounds him, so they will continue to fight as long as Canelo can still pull the trigger.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on September 01, 2021, 04:10:13 PM

Billy Joe Saunders' first loss but was a devastating one, we saw the power of Canelo in that fight, he was not too aggressive in getting his opponent but he is using his brain to ensure that he will win the fight and slowly dismantle the opponent. I can't remember anymore how many undefeated fighters he beaten during the pandemic.

That's the right term. Canelo is using his brain in each fight that he has. Observing and not rushing things out, he just waiting for the right timing and not to allow his opponent to reorganize once he throw solid punches.

We've seen him from all those previous fights where he won and continue to dominate his division.

Plant needs to outsmart Canelo if he wanted to win this fight, he can use the same tactics observing and trying to absorb those heavy
punches that Canelo may throw to him and find the better angles where to hit back and try to make killer punch to win.

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Quote from: DarkDays on August 30, 2021, 05:59:55 PM

Plant is going to get his god damn ass beat.

He's always talking smack on YouTube about how he's got a similar resume to Canelo, and that Canelo has never fought anybody like him lol.

Meanwhile, Canelo is out there destroying light heavyweights and embarrassing the UK's great hope against him (Saunders).

Can't wait to see Plant faceplant the canvas.

I expected Billy Joe Saunders to perform better, as he had an unbeaten record. But he couldn't even last the full 12 rounds. And that was just three months ago. Canelo is still fresh from that victory. The last time when someone lasted for full 12 rounds against Canelo was in 2020, when Callum Smith (also from the United Kingdom) lost by UD. And before that it was Daniel Jacobs in 2019. Much was talked about Sergey Kovalev, but he got knocked out. Given this record, I don't have much hope for Caleb Plant.

I have the same expectation, but actually at the start, Joe Saunders was doing well, until he got hit with clean shots and that made him slowed down. I don't have any information on the update of the eye injury he suffered in his fight, I hope he is okay now and would be able to fight again soon.

Billy Joe Saunders' first loss but was a devastating one, we saw the power of Canelo in that fight, he was not too aggressive in getting his opponent but he is using his brain to ensure that he will win the fight and slowly dismantle the opponent. I can't remember anymore how many undefeated fighters he beaten during the pandemic.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 30, 2021, 10:15:32 PM

Quote from: DarkDays on August 30, 2021, 05:59:55 PM

Plant is going to get his god damn ass beat.

He's always talking smack on YouTube about how he's got a similar resume to Canelo, and that Canelo has never fought anybody like him lol.

Meanwhile, Canelo is out there destroying light heavyweights and embarrassing the UK's great hope against him (Saunders).

Can't wait to see Plant faceplant the canvas.

I expected Billy Joe Saunders to perform better, as he had an unbeaten record. But he couldn't even last the full 12 rounds. And that was just three months ago. Canelo is still fresh from that victory. The last time when someone lasted for full 12 rounds against Canelo was in 2020, when Callum Smith (also from the United Kingdom) lost by UD. And before that it was Daniel Jacobs in 2019. Much was talked about Sergey Kovalev, but he got knocked out. Given this record, I don't have much hope for Caleb Plant.

I have the same expectation, but actually at the start, Joe Saunders was doing well, until he got hit with clean shots and that made him slowed down. I don't have any information on the update of the eye injury he suffered in his fight, I hope he is okay now and would be able to fight again soon.

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In the words of the legendary Mike Tyson ‘Everybody has a plan until they are punched in the mouth’ this is why predicting the outcome of a fight is always difficult as a single punch can be more than enough to change the whole fight, and what better example than the Ruiz vs Joshua fight in which Ruiz connected Joshua with a punch behind his ear and since that moment Joshua was unable to recover and this created one of the biggest upsets during this decade.

This only applies to weak fighters or fighters who underestimate their opponent, Canelo is not a weak fighter or one who underestimates his opponents, he only comes prepared and with plans to execute, and he executed those plans perfectly, in boxing planning and preparation is very important, Canelo is the kind of fighter with a lot of plans in his arsenal and he employs it at the right time and at the right opponent.

I disagree, this applies to every single fight and I gave a direct example of this happening in what created one of the biggest upsets in the whole history of boxing, if that is not enough to convince you that something like this can happen in every single fight then I do not know what it is going to take for you to accept it, you may have a plan but suddenly you find yourself in a situation that you were not expecting and the plan has to be changed completely, it happens and it is one of the reasons why boxing is so exciting.

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Quote from: DarkDays on August 30, 2021, 05:59:55 PM

Plant is going to get his god damn ass beat.

He's always talking smack on YouTube about how he's got a similar resume to Canelo, and that Canelo has never fought anybody like him lol.

Meanwhile, Canelo is out there destroying light heavyweights and embarrassing the UK's great hope against him (Saunders).

Can't wait to see Plant faceplant the canvas.

I expected Billy Joe Saunders to perform better, as he had an unbeaten record. But he couldn't even last the full 12 rounds. And that was just three months ago. Canelo is still fresh from that victory. The last time when someone lasted for full 12 rounds against Canelo was in 2020, when Callum Smith (also from the United Kingdom) lost by UD. And before that it was Daniel Jacobs in 2019. Much was talked about Sergey Kovalev, but he got knocked out. Given this record, I don't have much hope for Caleb Plant.

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Plant is going to get his god damn ass beat.

He's always talking smack on YouTube about how he's got a similar resume to Canelo, and that Canelo has never fought anybody like him lol.

Meanwhile, Canelo is out there destroying light heavyweights and embarrassing the UK's great hope against him (Saunders).

Can't wait to see Plant faceplant the canvas.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on August 30, 2021, 09:22:28 AM

He can still make more money if he will continue his boxing career. Besides, I think he is enjoying his profession and not just after money alone.

In today's boxing that old-timers getting out of retirement, it was encouraging some veteran boxers to stay in the profession even they are now in the retirement age and even showing some signs of slowing down.

They got inspired by Floyd Mayweather Jr. that still generating good income even at retirement because of exhibition match where people are paying not because of the fight or match but on the boxer's name and reputation.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on August 30, 2021, 09:22:28 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on August 06, 2021, 09:57:51 AM

Another fight that wont give Canelo anything except money and a chance to get injured by an opponent from higher weight division.
If Canelo is up to money that much, he should challenge one of Paul brothers. That will be an easy fight and easy money.

How many more year Canelo is planning to be in business? I think it is time for him to retire (not because of age, but because there are no more strong opponents left) or move to other division.

I don't think he should retire this early. He is a strong and a reputable boxer. He can still fight against more opponents that are on the same level of him in terms of fighting in a match. If you'll watch closely during his matches, he always throws powerful punches and is very strategic. He knows when to attack and how to aim directly at the target. This makes him a very good opponent because surely, everytime you will watch his game, you will be entertained by his charisma inside the boxing ring.

He can still make more money if he will continue his boxing career. Besides, I think he is enjoying his profession and not just after money alone.

He can still make more money, so why bother to retire as early as now, somehow new challenger will come up and fans will demand for him to continue showing his greatness.

The more entertaining fight the more fans that will continue to support him, He dominated this level and when another challenger calls for him he needed to defend his title and for sure that where he will get more money, the promoters will assure him to bank out huge amount as assurance whatever happened after the fight.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 06, 2021, 09:57:51 AM

Another fight that wont give Canelo anything except money and a chance to get injured by an opponent from higher weight division.
If Canelo is up to money that much, he should challenge one of Paul brothers. That will be an easy fight and easy money.

How many more year Canelo is planning to be in business? I think it is time for him to retire (not because of age, but because there are no more strong opponents left) or move to other division.

I don't think he should retire this early. He is a strong and a reputable boxer. He can still fight against more opponents that are on the same level of him in terms of fighting in a match. If you'll watch closely during his matches, he always throws powerful punches and is very strategic. He knows when to attack and how to aim directly at the target. This makes him a very good opponent because surely, everytime you will watch his game, you will be entertained by his charisma inside the boxing ring.

He can still make more money if he will continue his boxing career. Besides, I think he is enjoying his profession and not just after money alone.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 29, 2021, 10:30:31 PM

When Golden Boy was planning for the trilogy fight in 2019, Canelo opposed it. Why a sudden change of heart now? GGG is no longer in the same shape as he was 2-3 years ago. And since the second match against Canelo in 2018, he has participated in only three fights (Steve Rolls, Sergiy Derevyanchenko and Kamil Szeremeta). If there was a trilogy match, it had to happen in 2019 or 2020. Now it is too late. For GGG, the next fight is scheduled for December this year, and that is going to be against Ryota Murata (WBA middleweight champion).

Maybe if he doesn't have any options left, or at least big money fight in the future, then maybe he will give GGG his trilogy for a huge pay. I agree, if he fights GGG in the next couple of years, then GGG might not be in his prime so there's no more reasons for Canelo to fight him as it might be a mismatch and the fight should happen right after the second fight because it is controversial decision. It will be good in paper, but in the actual fight, it might be like a Pacquiao performance.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 30, 2021, 06:25:04 AM

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If Plant won, then it will be his and his promoters' decisions to ask for more, upsetting Canelo is really tough, but we never know until we see them inside the ring fighting.

There are materials that both camps will use to find which aspect they can get the benefits of and try to work it out when meet their opponents inside.

Winning against Canelo will bring him on much higher place and the money that will flow for him is far from his imagination.
let see if he has that luck aside from his skills that very important during the fight.

Plant is someone who has nothing to lose and in this fight, he is the underdog (and that too by a distance). Defeating Canelo is not that impossible. If an ageing GGG could come close to doing that in 2017, then there is no reason why a young Plant couldn't do it. For me, this fight has eerie resemblance to the recent match between Manny Pacquiao and Yordenis Ugás. The weight class is different, but there also no one really expected Ugas to score an upset victory. If by any chance Canelo losses to Plant, then he will witness a steep fall in his market value.

I think if he has pride he would also lose something in this fight.

Caleb Plant is undefeated with 21 wins (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/684493), though he knows that he is the underdog of this fight, no boxer that are willing to fight the favorites that are thinking he could not win, I'm sure he is confident he could hurt and beat Canelo Alvarez.

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Quote from: Fredomago on August 30, 2021, 06:14:32 AM

If Plant won, then it will be his and his promoters' decisions to ask for more, upsetting Canelo is really tough, but we never know until we see them inside the ring fighting.

There are materials that both camps will use to find which aspect they can get the benefits of and try to work it out when meet their opponents inside.

Winning against Canelo will bring him on much higher place and the money that will flow for him is far from his imagination.
let see if he has that luck aside from his skills that very important during the fight.

Plant is someone who has nothing to lose and in this fight, he is the underdog (and that too by a distance). Defeating Canelo is not that impossible. If an ageing GGG could come close to doing that in 2017, then there is no reason why a young Plant couldn't do it. For me, this fight has eerie resemblance to the recent match between Manny Pacquiao and Yordenis Ugás. The weight class is different, but there also no one really expected Ugas to score an upset victory. If by any chance Canelo losses to Plant, then he will witness a steep fall in his market value.

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Still good money for Caleb and this good be his biggest paycheck, $10 million + ppv, most likely in the tune of $11 million++ regardless. Kovalev and Jacobs has made their names though that's why a slight higher purse.

Yeah, if he somehow upset Canelo, then maybe they will set up a rematch and he can make double his money, risk worth taking at this point of his career.

What makes you think that he will settle for just $10 million for the rematch, in case he wins this one? Caleb is yet to make his name like Canelo, and that is why he agreed to such a lop-sided deal ($10 million for him and $40 million for Canelo as the guaranteed purse). If he upsets Canelo, then the next time he is not going to settle for an amount which is lower than that given to Canelo. It can be 30-20 (in Caleb's favor) or at least 25-25. This is the fight of his life. If he loses this one, then in all probability he will not get a similar opportunity for the remainder of his career.

Read again, I say he can make it "double", so a minimum of $20 million will be on the table for him for the rematch. However, I still think that Canelo will be on the A-side even after he lost, so he will still get a lion share of the purse.

And as far as I know, Canelo said that he is open for a trilogy with GGG, but Golovkin needs to go up to 168 lbs.

So there is still a chance that we can see the trilogy, but GGG will be in his 40's already.

If Plant won, then it will be his and his promoters' decisions to ask for more, upsetting Canelo is really tough, but we never know until we see them inside the ring fighting.

There are materials that both camps will use to find which aspect they can get the benefits of and try to work it out when meet their opponents inside.

Winning against Canelo will bring him on much higher place and the money that will flow for him is far from his imagination.
let see if he has that luck aside from his skills that very important during the fight.

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When Golden Boy was planning for the trilogy fight in 2019, Canelo opposed it. Why a sudden change of heart now? GGG is no longer in the same shape as he was 2-3 years ago. And since the second match against Canelo in 2018, he has participated in only three fights (Steve Rolls, Sergiy Derevyanchenko and Kamil Szeremeta). If there was a trilogy match, it had to happen in 2019 or 2020. Now it is too late. For GGG, the next fight is scheduled for December this year, and that is going to be against Ryota Murata (WBA middleweight champion).

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 29, 2021, 07:11:12 AM

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Still good money for Caleb and this good be his biggest paycheck, $10 million + ppv, most likely in the tune of $11 million++ regardless. Kovalev and Jacobs has made their names though that's why a slight higher purse.

Yeah, if he somehow upset Canelo, then maybe they will set up a rematch and he can make double his money, risk worth taking at this point of his career.

What makes you think that he will settle for just $10 million for the rematch, in case he wins this one? Caleb is yet to make his name like Canelo, and that is why he agreed to such a lop-sided deal ($10 million for him and $40 million for Canelo as the guaranteed purse). If he upsets Canelo, then the next time he is not going to settle for an amount which is lower than that given to Canelo. It can be 30-20 (in Caleb's favor) or at least 25-25. This is the fight of his life. If he loses this one, then in all probability he will not get a similar opportunity for the remainder of his career.

Read again, I say he can make it "double", so a minimum of $20 million will be on the table for him for the rematch. However, I still think that Canelo will be on the A-side even after he lost, so he will still get a lion share of the purse.

And as far as I know, Canelo said that he is open for a trilogy with GGG, but Golovkin needs to go up to 168 lbs.

So there is still a chance that we can see the trilogy, but GGG will be in his 40's already.

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Canelo Alvarez hasn't closed the door on facing his biggest rival one more time. On Thursday, Alvarez indicated he wasn't opposed to facing Gennadiy Golovkin for a third fight after Alvarez finishes the current task of unifying the super middleweight division.

"The truth is, I'm open for anything," Alvarez said through an interpreter two days before he faces Billy Joe Saunders at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.

The stipulation, however, is that Golovkin move up to the 168-pound division. Both of their previous fights have been at the middleweight limit of 160 pounds.

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/31400260/canelo-alvarez-open-trilogy-bout-gennadiy-golovkin

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His biggest fight was against Triple G which he won via split decision, I wish we can see another fight like that where the match is even and just a few points are the deciding factor in the end to declare the winner. During that fight, Triple G was the favorite and Canelo was the underdog, I guess we will not see the same odds in his coming fights.

https://www.si.com/boxing/2017/09/15/canelo-alvarez-gennady-golovkin-odds-favorite-betting-line

However, according to https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzowitz/2020/03/17/canelo-alvarez-vs-gennadiy-golovkin-3-odds-show-canelo-as-a-large-betting-favorite/.. if there's a trilogy, Canelo would be the heavy favorites.

No surprise there. Gennady Golovkin is nearing 40 and his body and reflexes are not the same as it was in 2017. And I can remember the first fight, when GGG showed a lot of fatigue towards the end (but still he outplayed Canelo in at least 8 of the 10 initial rounds). The same happened in 2018 as well. Now there is not much of a chance for rematch, as Golovkin has fallen out of favor with Golden Boy Promotions. He is currently under a deal with DAZN for a total of 6 fights and won't be able to take part in a rematch with Canelo until the deal expires.

So this means that Trilogy will not happen anymore, it's just pity that we are supposed to see a good fight but since there's no chance, then we will just be seeing fights of Canelo that he will dominate easily. Thing is, Canelo keeps fighting, and although his opponent has some quality in papers, but in a real fight you don't see the real competitiveness.

Most probably, unless he will break the contract he is currently in which is unlikely as he would have to pay for the damages which are not helpful for his ending career. We just have to accept that they would not anymore fight, maybe in the future it will happen but via exhibition fight only.

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