[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Caleb Plant - page 29.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 29, 2021, 08:13:45 AM

Quote from: Viscore on August 29, 2021, 07:59:44 AM

His biggest fight was against Triple G which he won via split decision, I wish we can see another fight like that where the match is even and just a few points are the deciding factor in the end to declare the winner. During that fight, Triple G was the favorite and Canelo was the underdog, I guess we will not see the same odds in his coming fights.

https://www.si.com/boxing/2017/09/15/canelo-alvarez-gennady-golovkin-odds-favorite-betting-line

However, according to https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzowitz/2020/03/17/canelo-alvarez-vs-gennadiy-golovkin-3-odds-show-canelo-as-a-large-betting-favorite/.. if there's a trilogy, Canelo would be the heavy favorites.

No surprise there. Gennady Golovkin is nearing 40 and his body and reflexes are not the same as it was in 2017. And I can remember the first fight, when GGG showed a lot of fatigue towards the end (but still he outplayed Canelo in at least 8 of the 10 initial rounds). The same happened in 2018 as well. Now there is not much of a chance for rematch, as Golovkin has fallen out of favor with Golden Boy Promotions. He is currently under a deal with DAZN for a total of 6 fights and won't be able to take part in a rematch with Canelo until the deal expires.

So this means that Trilogy will not happen anymore, it's just pity that we are supposed to see a good fight but since there's no chance, then we will just be seeing fights of Canelo that he will dominate easily. Thing is, Canelo keeps fighting, and although his opponent has some quality in papers, but in a real fight you don't see the real competitiveness.

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Quote from: Viscore on August 29, 2021, 07:59:44 AM

His biggest fight was against Triple G which he won via split decision, I wish we can see another fight like that where the match is even and just a few points are the deciding factor in the end to declare the winner. During that fight, Triple G was the favorite and Canelo was the underdog, I guess we will not see the same odds in his coming fights.

https://www.si.com/boxing/2017/09/15/canelo-alvarez-gennady-golovkin-odds-favorite-betting-line

However, according to https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzowitz/2020/03/17/canelo-alvarez-vs-gennadiy-golovkin-3-odds-show-canelo-as-a-large-betting-favorite/.. if there's a trilogy, Canelo would be the heavy favorites.

No surprise there. Gennady Golovkin is nearing 40 and his body and reflexes are not the same as it was in 2017. And I can remember the first fight, when GGG showed a lot of fatigue towards the end (but still he outplayed Canelo in at least 8 of the 10 initial rounds). The same happened in 2018 as well. Now there is not much of a chance for rematch, as Golovkin has fallen out of favor with Golden Boy Promotions. He is currently under a deal with DAZN for a total of 6 fights and won't be able to take part in a rematch with Canelo until the deal expires.

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Quote from: plr on August 29, 2021, 06:39:43 AM

We cannot use Mayweather strategy to beat the experienced Canelo, so many were added to Canelo's arsenal if Mayweather is still at the height of his career, Canelo can give him a good fight a much better fight than the one they had, Canelo is strong and he has a good movement in the ring compared seven years ago, but let's see what Plant will do and how will he counter Canelo's counter punching.

Well said, since Canelo is one of those fighters who can give Mayweather pain in the ass but right now that won't really matter since he is not gonna fight him and right now Mayweather is only good for an exhibition fights. Canelo will be a difficult fight for Caleb Plant since the guy already managed to gather as much experience from his past fight and you can see that he is using them so well in the ring. Both speed and power of Canelo will be a torn for Plant to get through and I even doubt he can survive up to the late rounds.

I disagree though, during his fight with Mayweather, he is no name in the US soil, he is just another budding superstar from Mexico. And he had to thank Oscar for that, for bringing him into the US boxing fans. But that's business though, he already severed his relationship with Oscar already.

And moving forward 7 years from his last defeat, he has grown so much that he is at the peak right now and no one can touches him in any of his fights.

His biggest fight was against Triple G which he won via split decision, I wish we can see another fight like that where the match is even and just a few points are the deciding factor in the end to declare the winner. During that fight, Triple G was the favorite and Canelo was the underdog, I guess we will not see the same odds in his coming fights.

https://www.si.com/boxing/2017/09/15/canelo-alvarez-gennady-golovkin-odds-favorite-betting-line

However, according to https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzowitz/2020/03/17/canelo-alvarez-vs-gennadiy-golovkin-3-odds-show-canelo-as-a-large-betting-favorite/.. if there's a trilogy, Canelo would be the heavy favorites.

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Quote from: yazher on August 29, 2021, 07:07:39 AM

Quote from: plr on August 29, 2021, 06:39:43 AM

We cannot use Mayweather strategy to beat the experienced Canelo, so many were added to Canelo's arsenal if Mayweather is still at the height of his career, Canelo can give him a good fight a much better fight than the one they had, Canelo is strong and he has a good movement in the ring compared seven years ago, but let's see what Plant will do and how will he counter Canelo's counter punching.

Well said, since Canelo is one of those fighters who can give Mayweather pain in the ass but right now that won't really matter since he is not gonna fight him and right now Mayweather is only good for an exhibition fights. Canelo will be a difficult fight for Caleb Plant since the guy already managed to gather as much experience from his past fight and you can see that he is using them so well in the ring. Both speed and power of Canelo will be a torn for Plant to get through and I even doubt he can survive up to the late rounds.

I disagree though, during his fight with Mayweather, he is no name in the US soil, he is just another budding superstar from Mexico. And he had to thank Oscar for that, for bringing him into the US boxing fans. But that's business though, he already severed his relationship with Oscar already.

And moving forward 7 years from his last defeat, he has grown so much that he is at the peak right now and no one can touches him in any of his fights.

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Quote from: Kemarit on August 28, 2021, 11:18:15 PM

Still good money for Caleb and this good be his biggest paycheck, $10 million + ppv, most likely in the tune of $11 million++ regardless. Kovalev and Jacobs has made their names though that's why a slight higher purse.

Yeah, if he somehow upset Canelo, then maybe they will set up a rematch and he can make double his money, risk worth taking at this point of his career.

What makes you think that he will settle for just $10 million for the rematch, in case he wins this one? Caleb is yet to make his name like Canelo, and that is why he agreed to such a lop-sided deal ($10 million for him and $40 million for Canelo as the guaranteed purse). If he upsets Canelo, then the next time he is not going to settle for an amount which is lower than that given to Canelo. It can be 30-20 (in Caleb's favor) or at least 25-25. This is the fight of his life. If he loses this one, then in all probability he will not get a similar opportunity for the remainder of his career.

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Quote from: plr on August 29, 2021, 06:39:43 AM

We cannot use Mayweather strategy to beat the experienced Canelo, so many were added to Canelo's arsenal if Mayweather is still at the height of his career, Canelo can give him a good fight a much better fight than the one they had, Canelo is strong and he has a good movement in the ring compared seven years ago, but let's see what Plant will do and how will he counter Canelo's counter punching.

Well said, since Canelo is one of those fighters who can give Mayweather pain in the ass but right now that won't really matter since he is not gonna fight him and right now Mayweather is only good for an exhibition fights. Canelo will be a difficult fight for Caleb Plant since the guy already managed to gather as much experience from his past fight and you can see that he is using them so well in the ring. Both speed and power of Canelo will be a torn for Plant to get through and I even doubt he can survive up to the late rounds.

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Quote from: plr on August 29, 2021, 06:39:43 AM

Quote from: Ziskinberg on August 29, 2021, 05:28:57 AM

That's the reward that he could get if he wins this fight, and since he believes he can upset the champion, I think even at a lower amount he would still go with this fight. The betting odds currently do look like it's not giving Plant a decent chance to win, but then, since upset is possible, then we should expect it could possibly happen here also.

Canelo's last loss was way back in 2014, that was a long time ago.

We cannot use Mayweather strategy to beat the experienced Canelo, so many were added to Canelo's arsenal if Mayweather is still at the height of his career, Canelo can give him a good fight a much better fight than the one they had, Canelo is strong and he has a good movement in the ring compared seven years ago, but let's see what Plant will do and how will he counter Canelo's counter punching.

I didn't say that, the point of my post is that Canelo has only lose once in his career and that is against Mayweather. I can see that he has improve a lot already after that lose and if ever Mayweather will fight Canelo now, I think Canelo would hurt Mayweather. I think that loss was an eye opener for him, he trained harder, improve himself, that's why most of his fights now are won in an easy way.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on August 29, 2021, 05:28:57 AM

That's the reward that he could get if he wins this fight, and since he believes he can upset the champion, I think even at a lower amount he would still go with this fight. The betting odds currently do look like it's not giving Plant a decent chance to win, but then, since upset is possible, then we should expect it could possibly happen here also.

Canelo's last loss was way back in 2014, that was a long time ago.

We cannot use Mayweather strategy to beat the experienced Canelo, so many were added to Canelo's arsenal if Mayweather is still at the height of his career, Canelo can give him a good fight a much better fight than the one they had, Canelo is strong and he has a good movement in the ring compared seven years ago, but let's see what Plant will do and how will he counter Canelo's counter punching.

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Quote from: smyslov on August 29, 2021, 05:01:48 AM

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Fighters who think they can be at the top would care much for the opportunity than the money involved, IMO, $10 million is good enough but his focus should be on winning the fight, if he beats Canelo, then maybe if there's a rematch, he can dictate the tempo, so most probably his purse will increase.

I like this kind of fighter that fight the best and focus on the future rather than the current opportunity to make more money.

Based on the deal of fight Canelo gets the best deal than Caleb Plant, Plant agree to all the deals he just wants the fight to push through because this is going to be a life and career changing fight he wants this fight to happen it's an opportunity of a lifetime, it's like winning a lottery if he wins he is an instant multi-title champion if he wins.

That's the reward that he could get if he wins this fight, and since he believes he can upset the champion, I think even at a lower amount he would still go with this fight. The betting odds currently do look like it's not giving Plant a decent chance to win, but then, since upset is possible, then we should expect it could possibly happen here also.

Canelo's last loss was way back in 2014, that was a long time ago.

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Quote from: freedomgo on August 29, 2021, 04:40:45 AM

Fighters who think they can be at the top would care much for the opportunity than the money involved, IMO, $10 million is good enough but his focus should be on winning the fight, if he beats Canelo, then maybe if there's a rematch, he can dictate the tempo, so most probably his purse will increase.

I like this kind of fighter that fight the best and focus on the future rather than the current opportunity to make more money.

Based on the deal of fight Canelo gets the best deal than Caleb Plant, Plant agree to all the deals he just wants the fight to push through because this is going to be a life and career changing fight he wants this fight to happen it's an opportunity of a lifetime, it's like winning a lottery if he wins he is an instant multi-title champion if he wins.

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Caleb Plant will gain a lot if he wins this fight from being an unknown he will become a household name,

If you are talking about the purse money, Caleb Plant won't gain much if he wins. The purse was set fixed on which Plant will earn $10M while on the other hand, Canelo will take home $40 as far as the terms are concerned.

If you are talking about reputation and fame, Caleb Plant will surely gain a higher rank and more money offer in the future if he will able to pass the heavy favorites Canelo.

Caleb doesn't care much about money. Three years back, he claimed that he would surrender the entire purse, if he gets an opportunity to fight for the IBF championship. And the $10 million we are talking about is the guaranteed purse. He will receive $10 million (and a share from the revenues if they cross a certain threshold) even if he losses the match. It is slightly lower than what Sergey Kovalev and Daniel Jacobs got paid ($12 million each), but Caleb has said that he's happy with the revenue sharing agreement. Obviously if he wins, then he will receive a significantly higher amount.

Still good money for Caleb and this good be his biggest paycheck, $10 million + ppv, most likely in the tune of $11 million++ regardless. Kovalev and Jacobs has made their names though that's why a slight higher purse.

Yeah, if he somehow upset Canelo, then maybe they will set up a rematch and he can make double his money, risk worth taking at this point of his career.

Fighters who think they can be at the top would care much for the opportunity than the money involved, IMO, $10 million is good enough but his focus should be on winning the fight, if he beats Canelo, then maybe if there's a rematch, he can dictate the tempo, so most probably his purse will increase.

I like this kind of fighter that fight the best and focus on the future rather than the current opportunity to make more money.

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Caleb Plant will gain a lot if he wins this fight from being an unknown he will become a household name,

If you are talking about the purse money, Caleb Plant won't gain much if he wins. The purse was set fixed on which Plant will earn $10M while on the other hand, Canelo will take home $40 as far as the terms are concerned.

If you are talking about reputation and fame, Caleb Plant will surely gain a higher rank and more money offer in the future if he will able to pass the heavy favorites Canelo.

Caleb doesn't care much about money. Three years back, he claimed that he would surrender the entire purse, if he gets an opportunity to fight for the IBF championship. And the $10 million we are talking about is the guaranteed purse. He will receive $10 million (and a share from the revenues if they cross a certain threshold) even if he losses the match. It is slightly lower than what Sergey Kovalev and Daniel Jacobs got paid ($12 million each), but Caleb has said that he's happy with the revenue sharing agreement. Obviously if he wins, then he will receive a significantly higher amount.

Still good money for Caleb and this good be his biggest paycheck, $10 million + ppv, most likely in the tune of $11 million++ regardless. Kovalev and Jacobs has made their names though that's why a slight higher purse.

Yeah, if he somehow upset Canelo, then maybe they will set up a rematch and he can make double his money, risk worth taking at this point of his career.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 28, 2021, 09:37:56 PM

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Caleb Plant will gain a lot if he wins this fight from being an unknown he will become a household name,

If you are talking about the purse money, Caleb Plant won't gain much if he wins. The purse was set fixed on which Plant will earn $10M while on the other hand, Canelo will take home $40 as far as the terms are concerned.

If you are talking about reputation and fame, Caleb Plant will surely gain a higher rank and more money offer in the future if he will able to pass the heavy favorites Canelo.

Caleb doesn't care much about money. Three years back, he claimed that he would surrender the entire purse, if he gets an opportunity to fight for the IBF championship. And the $10 million we are talking about is the guaranteed purse. He will receive $10 million (and a share from the revenues if they cross a certain threshold) even if he losses the match. It is slightly lower than what Sergey Kovalev and Daniel Jacobs got paid ($12 million each), but Caleb has said that he's happy with the revenue sharing agreement. Obviously if he wins, then he will receive a significantly higher amount.

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I don't know it's just me or not, I see Caleb Plant is similar like Canelo was young around 5-6 years old before. He has a good potential become one of best boxer on few years more, because he have good head movement like Canelo and fast too. Though I don't like his guard style (philly-shell) and he's often fight with long distance which is sign he can't take a lot of damage. While Canelo using peek a boo style which is he can play either aggressive and defensive, depends on the situation.

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Caleb Plant will gain a lot if he wins this fight from being an unknown he will become a household name,

If you are talking about the purse money, Caleb Plant won't gain much if he wins. The purse was set fixed on which Plant will earn $10M while on the other hand, Canelo will take home $40 as far as the terms are concerned.

If you are talking about reputation and fame, Caleb Plant will surely gain a higher rank and more money offer in the future if he will able to pass the heavy favorites Canelo.

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Caleb Plant will gain a lot if he wins this fight from being an unknown he will become a household name, I don't know who this Caleb Plant and what's his fighting style until his name pops up as the next in line for Canelo, there will be a lot of talks heading to the fight to excite the boxing community, Caleb Plant's title is the only one missing in Canelo supremacy's in the middleweight.

Caleb Plant is unknown to common boxing fans and an upset on this fight could increase his stock significantly but I doubt it would happen as we all knew how Canelo deals with all of his opponents, he never underestimates them and he makes sure that he would emerge the winner after the fight.

This could be Canelo's last fight in this division as they are planning to conquer the LH weight category if ever they will unify all the belts in his current division.

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Caleb at +600, that's a pretty decent odd and I understand why Canelo is heavily favored because he beat all his opponents this year without any struggle. Put him an opponent of any size and he will dismantle it, he becomes a technical fighter, he works using his mind and you can see why he is very smart in the ring, not too aggressive to KO an opponent but always find an opening to hurt his opponent.

We can easily pick Canelo as the heavy favorite because of the names of boxers he's beaten compared to Caleb Plant but there's still a possibility of an upset, on Canelo's last fight Saunders was winning rounds until he got caught a punch that broke his eye socket, Alvarez persistency pays off because he knew Saunders is ahead on points, it could happen again in this fight.

Canelo is a known boxer that is not to wonder why the majority will choose him and aside from that, he was actually making such a name because he deserves that and he can really fight big names as well. With this Caleb, for me, he was a challenger, not really have a name in boxing but for sure he can make a good fight against Canelo. This all might be speculation who possibly wins if ever it is gonna happens but Canelo is really have that guts.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on August 28, 2021, 03:58:37 PM

Caleb at +600, that's a pretty decent odd and I understand why Canelo is heavily favored because he beat all his opponents this year without any struggle. Put him an opponent of any size and he will dismantle it, he becomes a technical fighter, he works using his mind and you can see why he is very smart in the ring, not too aggressive to KO an opponent but always find an opening to hurt his opponent.

We can easily pick Canelo as the heavy favorite because of the names of boxers he's beaten compared to Caleb Plant but there's still a possibility of an upset, on Canelo's last fight Saunders was winning rounds until he got caught a punch that broke his eye socket, Alvarez persistency pays off because he knew Saunders is ahead on points, it could happen again in this fight.

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The last time I checked he was at +550. Anyway I will be going for him. Canelo is not looking like he is invincible. Already we had an upset a few days ago (Yordenis Ugás vs Manny Paquiao) and I guess the time is right for another one.

It's risky but it's a big jackpot if Caleb Plant upsets Canelo and you bet on Caleb Plant, but I beg to disagree on the comparison when it comes to upset, upsets can happen but it is not something people expected, and no one expects an upset it just comes when all least expects it to happen, could be a lucky punch or the other boxer is injured or come unprepared.

^ That is possible for Caleb even it seems he is probably an underdog here and the odds were in favor of Alvarez, that is right, we can compare this fight to the fight of Manny Pacquaio and not all underdog has no chance to win. This is a very interesting fight and the perfect match, they are almost the same stat that could be anytime Caleb will possibly be upset Alvarez in the middle of the 12 rounds.
The odds are here, https://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/saul-alvarez-v-caleb-plant/winner, there is a chance that Caleb will probably become in a favor of the odds.

Caleb at +600, that's a pretty decent odd and I understand why Canelo is heavily favored because he beat all his opponents this year without any struggle. Put him an opponent of any size and he will dismantle it, he becomes a technical fighter, he works using his mind and you can see why he is very smart in the ring, not too aggressive to KO an opponent but always find an opening to hurt his opponent.

and i don't think these bookies will change their mind even if the fight is getting closer. they will favour Canelo here. but if there will be an upset (not likely to happen imo), those who will bet on caleb will celebrate big time. but do you think caleb has the chance on canelo here? let's say, he will prepare and focus on his training, more than 2 months of prep. maybe he will really a very good toe-to-toe fight inside the ring.

They'll not gonna adjust the odds unless there's major news happen that would affect either fighter. For now, we stick with the betting odds but unfortunately I can't find it in our crypto bookies here, so I have no choice but to wait until it becomes available.

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The last time I checked he was at +550. Anyway I will be going for him. Canelo is not looking like he is invincible. Already we had an upset a few days ago (Yordenis Ugás vs Manny Paquiao) and I guess the time is right for another one.

It's risky but it's a big jackpot if Caleb Plant upsets Canelo and you bet on Caleb Plant, but I beg to disagree on the comparison when it comes to upset, upsets can happen but it is not something people expected, and no one expects an upset it just comes when all least expects it to happen, could be a lucky punch or the other boxer is injured or come unprepared.

^ That is possible for Caleb even it seems he is probably an underdog here and the odds were in favor of Alvarez, that is right, we can compare this fight to the fight of Manny Pacquaio and not all underdog has no chance to win. This is a very interesting fight and the perfect match, they are almost the same stat that could be anytime Caleb will possibly be upset Alvarez in the middle of the 12 rounds.
The odds are here, https://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/saul-alvarez-v-caleb-plant/winner, there is a chance that Caleb will probably become in a favor of the odds.

Caleb at +600, that's a pretty decent odd and I understand why Canelo is heavily favored because he beat all his opponents this year without any struggle. Put him an opponent of any size and he will dismantle it, he becomes a technical fighter, he works using his mind and you can see why he is very smart in the ring, not too aggressive to KO an opponent but always find an opening to hurt his opponent.

and i don't think these bookies will change their mind even if the fight is getting closer. they will favour Canelo here. but if there will be an upset (not likely to happen imo), those who will bet on caleb will celebrate big time. but do you think caleb has the chance on canelo here? let's say, he will prepare and focus on his training, more than 2 months of prep. maybe he will really a very good toe-to-toe fight inside the ring.

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