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September 04, 2021, 02:37:13 AM
If he is going to make accusations he should have done that when they are making a deal, not when the fight is progressing, he just wants to annoy Canelo, which I think is a cheap trick he can thrash talk him but accusing of taking an enhancement drug is very personal and putting Canelo in a bad light, whatever strategy he employs, he will have a tough time beating Alvarez.

I agree. The best strategy for Plant would be to keep a low profile, and avoid provoking Canelo. Trash talk never works in the ring, as we have seen from numerous cases earlier. All that said, I am not sure whether Plant made the statements on his own. Sometimes the organizers want cheap publicity and they ask the fighters to make such controversial statements. IMO, I don't think that it is fair to blame Canelo for the positive test from Oscar Valdez. That said, Alvarez tested positive for Clenbuterol in 2018, which he claims to have come from eating contaminated meat.

This controversy is just temporary, once the right is over, eventually, they will stop talking and people will forget. Lots of doubts when the fight is easily beating his opponent, just like during the prime of Manny Pacquiao when some think he is unto enhancement drugs, but it was not proven.
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September 03, 2021, 10:30:25 PM
If he is going to make accusations he should have done that when they are making a deal, not when the fight is progressing, he just wants to annoy Canelo, which I think is a cheap trick he can thrash talk him but accusing of taking an enhancement drug is very personal and putting Canelo in a bad light, whatever strategy he employs, he will have a tough time beating Alvarez.

I agree. The best strategy for Plant would be to keep a low profile, and avoid provoking Canelo. Trash talk never works in the ring, as we have seen from numerous cases earlier. All that said, I am not sure whether Plant made the statements on his own. Sometimes the organizers want cheap publicity and they ask the fighters to make such controversial statements. IMO, I don't think that it is fair to blame Canelo for the positive test from Oscar Valdez. That said, Alvarez tested positive for Clenbuterol in 2018, which he claims to have come from eating contaminated meat.
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September 03, 2021, 07:40:42 PM
The fight is a done deal so why start an allegation now when Plant should be in his training camp and train as hard as he can because he has a very tall mountain to climb now, they put a lot of effort putting this fight and he accepts all deals laid out by Alvarez, then why he is starting this allegation now, is he cooking up something in case he losses to Alvarez and that is the drug issue, this will be a lame excuse for him if he loses and he is going to lose the fight.

A common scene in every match either they want to hype more the fight so issues are thrown for more people to pay attention and watch the fight or there's someone who likes to attempt some distractions to both boxers.

As long as the allegation is clean and backed up with strong claims, nothing wrong to throw it. But if just a speculation, should just be simply ignored and let the people who witnessed the fight see if there's something wrong.

Yes, this is what we call marketing ploy, for sure he has been training his ass off for this fight. But sometimes boxers fine a way to ignite some fire to the fight and make the media talk about it.

Of course this is just allegations from his side, and no one can really tell if Canelo is on peds or not. Even Manny Pacquiao during his prime was accused of having peds as well.

Or maybe he is playing mind games with Canelo or just psyching himself out. We will eventually see them fight though, so all of this pointing finger will be settled in the ring.
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September 03, 2021, 04:50:42 PM
The fight is a done deal so why start an allegation now when Plant should be in his training camp and train as hard as he can because he has a very tall mountain to climb now, they put a lot of effort putting this fight and he accepts all deals laid out by Alvarez, then why he is starting this allegation now, is he cooking up something in case he losses to Alvarez and that is the drug issue, this will be a lame excuse for him if he loses and he is going to lose the fight.

A common scene in every match either they want to hype more the fight so issues are thrown for more people to pay attention and watch the fight or there's someone who likes to attempt some distractions to both boxers.

As long as the allegation is clean and backed up with strong claims, nothing wrong to throw it. But if just a speculation, should just be simply ignored and let the people who witnessed the fight see if there's something wrong.

If he is going to make accusations he should have done that when they are making a deal, not when the fight is progressing, he just wants to annoy Canelo, which I think is a cheap trick he can thrash talk him but accusing of taking an enhancement drug is very personal and putting Canelo in a bad light, whatever strategy he employs, he will have a tough time beating Alvarez.

He can't back out now, and instead of making a distraction on Canelo's training, I think the result will be the opposite, he will be the one who will be distracted here as he will lose focus on his goal, while Canelo will train harder to punish Plant when they meet in the ring. I think we should just let this go, it's not new in boxing, even the two heavyweights Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder have been throwing cheap talks against each other. What's important for the fans is that the fight will pursue and we will see an entertaining match, not a one sided beatdown.
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September 03, 2021, 04:30:55 PM
The fight is a done deal so why start an allegation now when Plant should be in his training camp and train as hard as he can because he has a very tall mountain to climb now, they put a lot of effort putting this fight and he accepts all deals laid out by Alvarez, then why he is starting this allegation now, is he cooking up something in case he losses to Alvarez and that is the drug issue, this will be a lame excuse for him if he loses and he is going to lose the fight.

A common scene in every match either they want to hype more the fight so issues are thrown for more people to pay attention and watch the fight or there's someone who likes to attempt some distractions to both boxers.

As long as the allegation is clean and backed up with strong claims, nothing wrong to throw it. But if just a speculation, should just be simply ignored and let the people who witnessed the fight see if there's something wrong.

If he is going to make accusations he should have done that when they are making a deal, not when the fight is progressing, he just wants to annoy Canelo, which I think is a cheap trick he can thrash talk him but accusing of taking an enhancement drug is very personal and putting Canelo in a bad light, whatever strategy he employs, he will have a tough time beating Alvarez.
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September 03, 2021, 03:59:25 PM
There's a new narrative for Caleb Plant, he somewhat "accuses" Team Canelo and re-open Alvarez being found with a ban substance in his first fight against GGG. Plant alleges that since Oscar Valdez has been found to have Phentermine in his system prior to this fight with Robson Conceicao, Roach Reynoso could have known that Oscar is taking it. Reynoso handles Canelo, so that's why Plant is now hinting that Canelo "could' have taken illegal substance as well.

You can read his rant here, in his official twitter account:

https://twitter.com/SweetHandsPlant

The fight is a done deal so why start an allegation now when Plant should be in his training camp and train as hard as he can because he has a very tall mountain to climb now, they put a lot of effort putting this fight and he accepts all deals laid out by Alvarez, then why he is starting this allegation now, is he cooking up something in case he losses to Alvarez and that is the drug issue, this will be a lame excuse for him if he loses and he is going to lose the fight.
He might be scared already and finding some excuses to distract his opponent, and yes when he losses he might use this one to protect his own reputation. We know Plant is the underdog here, so better for him to focus and just stay quiet until this match happen, Canelo will be more mad for sure and it might be more dangerous to Plant if ever. Though Alvarez should really play clean here, and of course the comity is doing their own medical requirements before this fight, there should be no more excuse for Plant.
The word afraid has no room in this business, once a fighter signs a contract, that means he is willing to take the risk of getting hurt in the fight, and in the case of Plant, I think he has the skills to fight against Canelo due to his undefeated record. He wouldn't be 21-0 for nothing (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/684493)..

Let's just say this is only a technique to distract his opponent, but I'm sure Canelo is ready for it and have seen enough on this kind of scenario.
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September 03, 2021, 03:54:47 PM
There's a new narrative for Caleb Plant, he somewhat "accuses" Team Canelo and re-open Alvarez being found with a ban substance in his first fight against GGG. Plant alleges that since Oscar Valdez has been found to have Phentermine in his system prior to this fight with Robson Conceicao, Roach Reynoso could have known that Oscar is taking it. Reynoso handles Canelo, so that's why Plant is now hinting that Canelo "could' have taken illegal substance as well.

You can read his rant here, in his official twitter account:

https://twitter.com/SweetHandsPlant

The fight is a done deal so why start an allegation now when Plant should be in his training camp and train as hard as he can because he has a very tall mountain to climb now, they put a lot of effort putting this fight and he accepts all deals laid out by Alvarez, then why he is starting this allegation now, is he cooking up something in case he losses to Alvarez and that is the drug issue, this will be a lame excuse for him if he loses and he is going to lose the fight.
He might be scared already and finding some excuses to distract his opponent, and yes when he losses he might use this one to protect his own reputation. We know Plant is the underdog here, so better for him to focus and just stay quiet until this match happen, Canelo will be more mad for sure and it might be more dangerous to Plant if ever. Though Alvarez should really play clean here, and of course the comity is doing their own medical requirements before this fight, there should be no more excuse for Plant.
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September 03, 2021, 03:37:06 PM
The fight is a done deal so why start an allegation now when Plant should be in his training camp and train as hard as he can because he has a very tall mountain to climb now, they put a lot of effort putting this fight and he accepts all deals laid out by Alvarez, then why he is starting this allegation now, is he cooking up something in case he losses to Alvarez and that is the drug issue, this will be a lame excuse for him if he loses and he is going to lose the fight.

A common scene in every match either they want to hype more the fight so issues are thrown for more people to pay attention and watch the fight or there's someone who likes to attempt some distractions to both boxers.

As long as the allegation is clean and backed up with strong claims, nothing wrong to throw it. But if just a speculation, should just be simply ignored and let the people who witnessed the fight see if there's something wrong.

If Plant thinks that way, then he would rather not take this fight, the fight between GGG was a long time ago, if Canelo had violated the rules of boxing, then he should be investigated already and pay the sanction for his violation, but until now, he is still clean so that speculation is baseless and should not be taken seriously. Less talk and more training, I think that would be helpful for Plant.
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September 03, 2021, 10:58:58 AM
The fight is a done deal so why start an allegation now when Plant should be in his training camp and train as hard as he can because he has a very tall mountain to climb now, they put a lot of effort putting this fight and he accepts all deals laid out by Alvarez, then why he is starting this allegation now, is he cooking up something in case he losses to Alvarez and that is the drug issue, this will be a lame excuse for him if he loses and he is going to lose the fight.

A common scene in every match either they want to hype more the fight so issues are thrown for more people to pay attention and watch the fight or there's someone who likes to attempt some distractions to both boxers.

As long as the allegation is clean and backed up with strong claims, nothing wrong to throw it. But if just a speculation, should just be simply ignored and let the people who witnessed the fight see if there's something wrong.
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September 03, 2021, 10:39:21 AM
There's a new narrative for Caleb Plant, he somewhat "accuses" Team Canelo and re-open Alvarez being found with a ban substance in his first fight against GGG. Plant alleges that since Oscar Valdez has been found to have Phentermine in his system prior to this fight with Robson Conceicao, Roach Reynoso could have known that Oscar is taking it. Reynoso handles Canelo, so that's why Plant is now hinting that Canelo "could' have taken illegal substance as well.

You can read his rant here, in his official twitter account:

https://twitter.com/SweetHandsPlant

The fight is a done deal so why start an allegation now when Plant should be in his training camp and train as hard as he can because he has a very tall mountain to climb now, they put a lot of effort putting this fight and he accepts all deals laid out by Alvarez, then why he is starting this allegation now, is he cooking up something in case he losses to Alvarez and that is the drug issue, this will be a lame excuse for him if he loses and he is going to lose the fight.
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September 03, 2021, 09:12:06 AM
There's a new narrative for Caleb Plant, he somewhat "accuses" Team Canelo and re-open Alvarez being found with a ban substance in his first fight against GGG. Plant alleges that since Oscar Valdez has been found to have Phentermine in his system prior to this fight with Robson Conceicao, Roach Reynoso could have known that Oscar is taking it. Reynoso handles Canelo, so that's why Plant is now hinting that Canelo "could' have taken illegal substance as well.

You can read his rant here, in his official twitter account:

https://twitter.com/SweetHandsPlant
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September 03, 2021, 07:50:48 AM
There's nothing we can say about who has more advantage because it's clearly Canelo is the one who has the edge and based on the betting odds, it obviously tells us the real status of the fight outcome.
they are both class bettors, both of them, actually this match is not delayed and has been scheduled for 18 september, that's the point.

Since Canelo, asked for a guarantee for himself, so it had to be postponed, of course in this case Caleb also had the same thing, that's why the boxing between Canelo vs. Caleb can continue or break, If they consider Selfish, this can be invalidated.
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September 03, 2021, 05:58:49 AM
I expected Billy Joe Saunders to perform better, as he had an unbeaten record. But he couldn't even last the full 12 rounds. And that was just three months ago. Canelo is still fresh from that victory. The last time when someone lasted for full 12 rounds against Canelo was in 2020, when Callum Smith (also from the United Kingdom) lost by UD. And before that it was Daniel Jacobs in 2019. Much was talked about Sergey Kovalev, but he got knocked out. Given this record, I don't have much hope for Caleb Plant.

I think the same and Team Caleb could have the same speculation with us as their ward is doing a lot of psych war and talking non-sense, maybe he thinks that he could irk Canelo and could not focus on the fight lol.

In this Canelo's current division, he could sweep this one and I'm thinking that he would be having a hard time campaigning in the LH division.

That's what they really wanted to accomplished here, sweep the division, and Caleb is the only man standing between him and cleaning the division. There are notable boxers as well in 168 lbs, just climbing up the ladder but I don't think they have the tools for now to beat this version of Canelo.

LH will be a new territory for him, he tested it once with an old Kovalev, but it seems they didn't like what they are seeing. Bivol and Beterviev will be waiting for Canelo if he decided to move up to 175 lbs.

LHW is still a good division for Canelo to conquer and I think he can still make that weight, it's not that hard for him seen he is going up in weight class. And for sure he can still carry his power, we have seen it against Kovalev, a bigger fighter than him and yet he was able to beat him.

Bivol and Beterviev is good champion, legitimate LHW, but I'm thinking that Canelo can beat any of this two easy.
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September 03, 2021, 05:55:57 AM
If I predict the boxing between Canelo vs Caleb, it will be postponed to next year or cancelled, the management of both camps has nothing in common in the negotiation agreement last august, This statement was broadcast live on private TV which stated that Canelo did not agree with their scheduled match schedule for September 18 this year, Canelo asked for a guarantee against him of £ 28 million, No one has agreed on a budget of that size, if Canelo's request is not fulfilled, my prediction is that the boxing between Canelo vs Caleb will change course, two possibilities are canceled or continued, there is still no meeting point between the two of them when they do determine the match schedule.
This could be more possible since this is not final yet though we still have time until November but hopefully they'll push this one since its already created a hype and for me, it will happen this year. Canelo is on a good advantage here over Caleb, but still if Caleb will work hard enough he can still have a chance since this is boxing and those who came prepared will always win, I can't wait to place my bet between these two I'm still analyzing both boxer.
There's nothing we can say about who has more advantage because it's clearly Canelo is the one who has the edge and based on the betting odds, it obviously tells us the real status of the fight outcome. Working hard is not a special thing as both fighters know they are in a battle, so it's a must to work hard to last in the right and to be physically fit in the fight night.

Yeah, all advantage point to Canelo, so it's not hard to analyze this fight and it's easy to bet on Canelo ML, but the odds are not that very attractive. That's why the best choice is to look at which round will Canelo win, or maybe a UD win with big money bets on him.

Caleb Plant can prepare, but it's hard to beat a fighter with Canelo's caliber right now. He is also improving every fight.
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September 03, 2021, 04:22:53 AM
If I predict the boxing between Canelo vs Caleb, it will be postponed to next year or cancelled, the management of both camps has nothing in common in the negotiation agreement last august, This statement was broadcast live on private TV which stated that Canelo did not agree with their scheduled match schedule for September 18 this year, Canelo asked for a guarantee against him of £ 28 million, No one has agreed on a budget of that size, if Canelo's request is not fulfilled, my prediction is that the boxing between Canelo vs Caleb will change course, two possibilities are canceled or continued, there is still no meeting point between the two of them when they do determine the match schedule.
This could be more possible since this is not final yet though we still have time until November but hopefully they'll push this one since its already created a hype and for me, it will happen this year. Canelo is on a good advantage here over Caleb, but still if Caleb will work hard enough he can still have a chance since this is boxing and those who came prepared will always win, I can't wait to place my bet between these two I'm still analyzing both boxer.
There's nothing we can say about who has more advantage because it's clearly Canelo is the one who has the edge and based on the betting odds, it obviously tells us the real status of the fight outcome. Working hard is not a special thing as both fighters know they are in a battle, so it's a must to work hard to last in the right and to be physically fit in the fight night.
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September 02, 2021, 06:00:07 PM
If I predict the boxing between Canelo vs Caleb, it will be postponed to next year or cancelled, the management of both camps has nothing in common in the negotiation agreement last august, This statement was broadcast live on private TV which stated that Canelo did not agree with their scheduled match schedule for September 18 this year, Canelo asked for a guarantee against him of £ 28 million, No one has agreed on a budget of that size, if Canelo's request is not fulfilled, my prediction is that the boxing between Canelo vs Caleb will change course, two possibilities are canceled or continued, there is still no meeting point between the two of them when they do determine the match schedule.
This could be more possible since this is not final yet though we still have time until November but hopefully they'll push this one since its already created a hype and for me, it will happen this year. Canelo is on a good advantage here over Caleb, but still if Caleb will work hard enough he can still have a chance since this is boxing and those who came prepared will always win, I can't wait to place my bet between these two I'm still analyzing both boxer.
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September 02, 2021, 05:54:19 PM
I expected Billy Joe Saunders to perform better, as he had an unbeaten record. But he couldn't even last the full 12 rounds. And that was just three months ago. Canelo is still fresh from that victory. The last time when someone lasted for full 12 rounds against Canelo was in 2020, when Callum Smith (also from the United Kingdom) lost by UD. And before that it was Daniel Jacobs in 2019. Much was talked about Sergey Kovalev, but he got knocked out. Given this record, I don't have much hope for Caleb Plant.

I think the same and Team Caleb could have the same speculation with us as their ward is doing a lot of psych war and talking non-sense, maybe he thinks that he could irk Canelo and could not focus on the fight lol.

In this Canelo's current division, he could sweep this one and I'm thinking that he would be having a hard time campaigning in the LH division.

That's what they really wanted to accomplished here, sweep the division, and Caleb is the only man standing between him and cleaning the division. There are notable boxers as well in 168 lbs, just climbing up the ladder but I don't think they have the tools for now to beat this version of Canelo.

LH will be a new territory for him, he tested it once with an old Kovalev, but it seems they didn't like what they are seeing. Bivol and Beterviev will be waiting for Canelo if he decided to move up to 175 lbs.
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September 02, 2021, 03:21:27 PM
I expected Billy Joe Saunders to perform better, as he had an unbeaten record. But he couldn't even last the full 12 rounds. And that was just three months ago. Canelo is still fresh from that victory. The last time when someone lasted for full 12 rounds against Canelo was in 2020, when Callum Smith (also from the United Kingdom) lost by UD. And before that it was Daniel Jacobs in 2019. Much was talked about Sergey Kovalev, but he got knocked out. Given this record, I don't have much hope for Caleb Plant.

I think the same and Team Caleb could have the same speculation with us as their ward is doing a lot of psych war and talking non-sense, maybe he thinks that he could irk Canelo and could not focus on the fight lol.

In this Canelo's current division, he could sweep this one and I'm thinking that he would be having a hard time campaigning in the LH division.



Canelo has been fighting like a warrior, if possible he will fight every month just to beat any opponent that would like to challenge him. It's his 3rd fight and he could still have a 4th fight by December if he wins this fight easily. I have no doubt about this guy, he really is a champion, however, since this is sport and this guy is still a human, upset could still possiby happen.
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September 02, 2021, 11:06:31 AM
But almost a decade has passed since this fight and Canelo has improved a lot. So I am not sure whether Plat will be successful if he tries with the same approach.

Over that passed years and more fight that he fought, he's skills, and he's dominance really showing inside the ring. It's tough for Plant, that's for sure, but there's nothing left for him aside from trying to find lapses while they are inside the ring.

There's always something that gives a fighter open opportunities during the fight, that timing is very important when facing a monster.

But if he can't find that and lets Canelo to control the entire fight, we will see another sure win for Canelo as he really fights well
And he's skills are very dominant. Still hoping that plant will try everything to give fans the fight that they've paying for.. Wink
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September 02, 2021, 07:20:31 AM
I expected Billy Joe Saunders to perform better, as he had an unbeaten record. But he couldn't even last the full 12 rounds. And that was just three months ago. Canelo is still fresh from that victory. The last time when someone lasted for full 12 rounds against Canelo was in 2020, when Callum Smith (also from the United Kingdom) lost by UD. And before that it was Daniel Jacobs in 2019. Much was talked about Sergey Kovalev, but he got knocked out. Given this record, I don't have much hope for Caleb Plant.

I think the same and Team Caleb could have the same speculation with us as their ward is doing a lot of psych war and talking non-sense, maybe he thinks that he could irk Canelo and could not focus on the fight lol.

In this Canelo's current division, he could sweep this one and I'm thinking that he would be having a hard time campaigning in the LH division.

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