[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs. Ilunga Makabu - page 7.

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^^ I think it's better that way for Canelo, because if will take time for him to go chase Makabu as they wanted it to happen on Cinco de Mayo. So Makabu can still defend his title in a rematch win some money and then go for Canelo in the States in May, still doable for him if I'm not mistaken. Again, unless Mchunu has other plans to derail the fight and won against Makabu.

This will be good for Canelo as he has time to prepare for the fight as he is moving up the weight division.
Also, with the fight between Makabu & Mchunu, Canelo will further assess the boxing style of either two fighters.
That will assist him on what strategy he needs to play inside the ring.
As he moves up the ladder, he needs to look out for all angles so as to be prepared on this fight.

Yep, as the articles says, Canelo for sure will be in the ringside live to watch how to 190 - 200 lbs fight each other and either one of them will the potential opponent of him in May. So Canelo will have all the time to prepare had a good plan, make the weight or at least go to 180 lbs because that is what he wanted to be in the fight. So at all angles, Canelo will have the advantage of this two fighting each other in front of him.

WBC is giving all the advantage to Canelo, Lol. Makabu vs Mchunu first then they fight each and soften each other for Canelo. And then they will just have 4 months to prepare for Canelo.

And then Canelo can watch how both of them fight and win he see who is the winner, he already has a good strategy in his mind in advance. So I'm seeing Canelo going to win whoever he is going to fight next.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on December 01, 2021, 06:59:55 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on December 01, 2021, 06:48:34 PM

^^ I think it's better that way for Canelo, because if will take time for him to go chase Makabu as they wanted it to happen on Cinco de Mayo. So Makabu can still defend his title in a rematch win some money and then go for Canelo in the States in May, still doable for him if I'm not mistaken. Again, unless Mchunu has other plans to derail the fight and won against Makabu.

This will be good for Canelo as he has time to prepare for the fight as he is moving up the weight division.
Also, with the fight between Makabu & Mchunu, Canelo will further assess the boxing style of either two fighters.
That will assist him on what strategy he needs to play inside the ring.
As he moves up the ladder, he needs to look out for all angles so as to be prepared on this fight.

Yep, as the articles says, Canelo for sure will be in the ringside live to watch how to 190 - 200 lbs fight each other and either one of them will the potential opponent of him in May. So Canelo will have all the time to prepare had a good plan, make the weight or at least go to 180 lbs because that is what he wanted to be in the fight. So at all angles, Canelo will have the advantage of this two fighting each other in front of him.

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Quote from: Kemarit on December 01, 2021, 06:48:34 PM

^^ I think it's better that way for Canelo, because if will take time for him to go chase Makabu as they wanted it to happen on Cinco de Mayo. So Makabu can still defend his title in a rematch win some money and then go for Canelo in the States in May, still doable for him if I'm not mistaken. Again, unless Mchunu has other plans to derail the fight and won against Makabu.

This will be good for Canelo as he has time to prepare for the fight as he is moving up the weight division.
Also, with the fight between Makabu & Mchunu, Canelo will further assess the boxing style of either two fighters.
That will assist him on what strategy he needs to play inside the ring.
As he moves up the ladder, he needs to look out for all angles so as to be prepared on this fight.

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^^ I think it's better that way for Canelo, because if will take time for him to go chase Makabu as they wanted it to happen on Cinco de Mayo. So Makabu can still defend his title in a rematch win some money and then go for Canelo in the States in May, still doable for him if I'm not mistaken. Again, unless Mchunu has other plans to derail the fight and won against Makabu.

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There has been a change of plans in this fight,

Canelo won't go directly to Makabu, but he has to wait for the winner of Makabu vs Mchunu. This is a rematch fight and Mchunu doesn't want to step aside and this is going to be scheduled next year January 29.

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World Boxing Council President Mauricio Sulaiman indicates that Mexican superstar Saul "Canelo" Alvarez will face the winner of the upcoming rematch between WBC cruiserweight champion Ilunga Makabu and mandatory challenger Thabiso Mchunu.

It was believed that Canelo would fight Makabu for the cruiserweight belt on Cinco De Mayo weekend in May.

But, Mchunu would not step aside from his mandatory shot - so he will fight Makabu on January 29th at the Packard Music Hall in Warren, Ohio.

Promoter Don King, who will stage the Makabu-Mchunu event, expects Canelo to be ringside for the fight.

https://www.boxingscene.com/wbc-prez-makabu-mchunu-winner-go-against-canelo--162422

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As we speak, Canelo might be over 170lbs now. He shouldn't have difficulty fighting in a much heavier division because his body is already used to it. I'm really amazed at these boxers. How can you maintain over 170lbs with a big muscular body? The usual weight of that is playing at around 200lbs. Their training and discipline are really to the highest level.

It's the fruit of their hard work every day, as ordinary people, we cannot imagine how they managed to get that amazing build. It's not just the workout but their healthy diet holds a strong contribution to it. Imagine how fast and strong he is right now in their weight division combining his big body in just 170lbs. Their training is really good and it will cause a lot of stress for his opponent on how to defeat him in his current strength right now.

The sport of boxing has probably one of the most brutal training regimes that we can imagine, obviously other sports have their own difficult training as well but in boxing every single aspect of your physique needs to be trained to perfection, for example many people think that boxers mostly train how to punch but that is only a small part of their training, they need to have a very rigorous endurance training so their stamina lasts for 60 minutes, and they need to even train how to take hits from their opponents, something that must not be pleasant at all.

Well I think boxing training has developed in the last 20 years, trainers are now including lots of discipline in a boxing training as well. So obviously, it's not just the power, speed, (fast twist muscles, specially when Manny Pacquiao comes along as he is so fast and explosive), and then timing and reflexes (eye coordination), and then stamina, (short burst running). So for sure, Canelo has all of this training behind close door, what we are just seeing in public is that he is throwing punch in a mitt or something or shadow boxing.

It's more advance now due to the improvement of science, they can use a lot of factor to make a boxer better, and in the case of Canelo, we can always say that he improved a lot especially his power and stamina, in fact, in most of his fights, his win pretty looks convincing and he was never listed as an underdog except the fight against Mayweather.

https://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/13/4726772/mayweather-canelo-current-odds

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Mayweather is currently sitting as a -260 to -280 favorite at most sportsbooks with Canelo as a +210 to +245 underdog.

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As we speak, Canelo might be over 170lbs now. He shouldn't have difficulty fighting in a much heavier division because his body is already used to it. I'm really amazed at these boxers. How can you maintain over 170lbs with a big muscular body? The usual weight of that is playing at around 200lbs. Their training and discipline are really to the highest level.

It's the fruit of their hard work every day, as ordinary people, we cannot imagine how they managed to get that amazing build. It's not just the workout but their healthy diet holds a strong contribution to it. Imagine how fast and strong he is right now in their weight division combining his big body in just 170lbs. Their training is really good and it will cause a lot of stress for his opponent on how to defeat him in his current strength right now.

The sport of boxing has probably one of the most brutal training regimes that we can imagine, obviously other sports have their own difficult training as well but in boxing every single aspect of your physique needs to be trained to perfection, for example many people think that boxers mostly train how to punch but that is only a small part of their training, they need to have a very rigorous endurance training so their stamina lasts for 60 minutes, and they need to even train how to take hits from their opponents, something that must not be pleasant at all.

Well I think boxing training has developed in the last 20 years, trainers are now including lots of discipline in a boxing training as well. So obviously, it's not just the power, speed, (fast twist muscles, specially when Manny Pacquiao comes along as he is so fast and explosive), and then timing and reflexes (eye coordination), and then stamina, (short burst running). So for sure, Canelo has all of this training behind close door, what we are just seeing in public is that he is throwing punch in a mitt or something or shadow boxing.

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Quote from: South Park on November 30, 2021, 03:06:33 PM

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 27, 2021, 04:10:58 AM

As we speak, Canelo might be over 170lbs now. He shouldn't have difficulty fighting in a much heavier division because his body is already used to it. I'm really amazed at these boxers. How can you maintain over 170lbs with a big muscular body? The usual weight of that is playing at around 200lbs. Their training and discipline are really to the highest level.

It's the fruit of their hard work every day, as ordinary people, we cannot imagine how they managed to get that amazing build. It's not just the workout but their healthy diet holds a strong contribution to it. Imagine how fast and strong he is right now in their weight division combining his big body in just 170lbs. Their training is really good and it will cause a lot of stress for his opponent on how to defeat him in his current strength right now.

The sport of boxing has probably one of the most brutal training regimes that we can imagine, obviously other sports have their own difficult training as well but in boxing every single aspect of your physique needs to be trained to perfection, for example many people think that boxers mostly train how to punch but that is only a small part of their training, they need to have a very rigorous endurance training so their stamina lasts for 60 minutes, and they need to even train how to take hits from their opponents, something that must not be pleasant at all.

Correct! it's not just how to punch but to develop good stamina, it's a balance that boxers need to perfect.

More body movements together with your good skills, it isn't just how to convert punches but more on the defensive ends.
If you want to excel from this sport, you need not to stop from increasing your training routine.

Both Alvarez and Makabu know that they will do extra to make sure that they are well prepared when the fight happens.

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Quote from: yazher on November 30, 2021, 07:08:29 AM

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As we speak, Canelo might be over 170lbs now. He shouldn't have difficulty fighting in a much heavier division because his body is already used to it. I'm really amazed at these boxers. How can you maintain over 170lbs with a big muscular body? The usual weight of that is playing at around 200lbs. Their training and discipline are really to the highest level.

It's the fruit of their hard work every day, as ordinary people, we cannot imagine how they managed to get that amazing build. It's not just the workout but their healthy diet holds a strong contribution to it. Imagine how fast and strong he is right now in their weight division combining his big body in just 170lbs. Their training is really good and it will cause a lot of stress for his opponent on how to defeat him in his current strength right now.

The sport of boxing has probably one of the most brutal training regimes that we can imagine, obviously other sports have their own difficult training as well but in boxing every single aspect of your physique needs to be trained to perfection, for example many people think that boxers mostly train how to punch but that is only a small part of their training, they need to have a very rigorous endurance training so their stamina lasts for 60 minutes, and they need to even train how to take hits from their opponents, something that must not be pleasant at all.

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When i first read this news or heard about the rumor i thought at first that this next fight comes pretty quick because canelo just have fought a few weeks ago and you should never have too many fights in a short period of time. Now i have read that the fight is planned to happen around May or June 2022 and then it is more than enough time between canelos last fight and the fight against Makabu. Going up 2 weight classes is always dangerous though and i really hope that canelo is still fast enough to show a good performance and a spectacular fight. If he manages to win this one then he really has achieved something great.

As usual for every boxer, it should be at least 4-6 months after their next fight.

Since Canelo is moving up weight class, 6 months of training is efficient.

Canelo wants to achieve another milestone in his career. Defeating Makabu is one step toward another undisputed goal on his chosen weight class.

Yes, 6 months of preparation would be enough and fine if the fighter isn't badly injured in his last fight. In Canelo's case, he should be suitalbe enough to fight the 5-year undefeated champ. Makabu is without a doubt powerful well-built big man who's weight is already suitable for CW but for Canelo, his preparation includes adding some weight, so I guess Canelo wouldn't be as fast as we used to see in his recent matches.
I think for now there's no assurance who will win this match because both fighters are tough, so I guess this match is about exchanging big blows without backing up or getting knocked out. We'll see it soon, next year!
As for Canelo, there's no reason stated why he jumped in CW. But I'm sure there's some serious reasons behind it.

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 27, 2021, 04:10:58 AM

As we speak, Canelo might be over 170lbs now. He shouldn't have difficulty fighting in a much heavier division because his body is already used to it. I'm really amazed at these boxers. How can you maintain over 170lbs with a big muscular body? The usual weight of that is playing at around 200lbs. Their training and discipline are really to the highest level.

It's the fruit of their hard work every day, as ordinary people, we cannot imagine how they managed to get that amazing build. It's not just the workout but their healthy diet holds a strong contribution to it. Imagine how fast and strong he is right now in their weight division combining his big body in just 170lbs. Their training is really good and it will cause a lot of stress for his opponent on how to defeat him in his current strength right now.

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That will be a good test for Canelo btw. Cruiserweight starts from 91kg, while his current, supper middleweight is 76kg. Gaining 15% of your own body mass I think is a lot. And if a person is not used to being so heavy, that might cause a discomfort in movement as minimum. I dont know Canelos usual weight between fights, and his weight on the ring (this is always different from what you show on the scales), but gaining 10kg changes a person completely. We dont know Makabu true weight in the ring also. One day he is 91, next day he is 95.

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^ Right, this is already a good and both parties have agreed already, so would just have to work out the split and the purse bid. But for sure Canelo will get the lion share, nevertheless Makabu should also get a good share like 20-30% and that will be huge for him as CW is not known to have money fights in the past and it is sandwich between LHW and HW in which there is more money.

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The transition to a heavier division is always difficult, after all he is considered to be a very heavy puncher in his current division but at the heavier divisions this may not be true, so supposing this is the case then he will need to adjust his style and increase the rate at which he throws punches, which will leave him more open for attacks and we will see if his chin can take the increased strength of his opponents, all in all this seems like a good challenge for Canelo and it is going to be very interesting to see if Canelo can overcome it.

This will be a challenging fight for Canelo for sure even if he is considered as a heavy puncher in his current division moving to a heavier division is not that easy. Ilunga Makabu accept the offer smoothly and he is preparing for this fight with Canelo for he was also acknowledging that Canelo was one of the best fighter today. This would going to be an exciting fight to watch for, I am rooting for Canelo but I don't think so if a knock out win in favor of Canelo will going to happen, quite difficult to predict.

We will have to wait and see if Canelo actually fights Makabu, it seems he needs to have a mandatory fight and his opponent is not taking the step aside money because he thinks he can win, and in that case he is the one that will face Canelo and get a lot more money from that fight than whatever he could get from the step aside money, however assuming that Makabu wins it is still going to be a difficult fight for Canelo as he will have no time to adjust to the division and will fight one of the champions right away.

As far a I know, this is verbally been approved by WBC already during their convention so most likely this fight will push thru without any problems or hitch and the mandatory will have to wait for the results. I guess this is the perks of being the best fighter right now, Canelo can just requested the governing body that he wants to fight and challenge their Cruiserweight champion. And Makabu can't do anything about it because he will get a lot of money fighting Canalo.

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Quote from: 24Kt on November 28, 2021, 01:00:42 PM

And the good thing with Canelo is he is not a trash talker. Based from the photos, it seems Alvarez & Makabu are good friends, unlike the recent Lopez vs Kambosos fight, which ended up as an upset, and the thing was, Lopez was confident that he will win on this fight. But with this match, Canelo seems confident to move up so it means, he can do this fight. He has the discipline of a boxer, so let's watch this upcoming fight. Waiting for the odds from sportsbooks...

Canelo always does the right discipline in the ring, if his opponent does not trash-talk him, then nothing would happen, besides, he doesn't need to throw some trash talk to sell his fight as everyone knows him, especially that he recently made history becoming an undisputed champion on his division, and now trying to go up in weight to face a new challenge. There's nothing to criticize a boxer who likes to keep on new challenges, and that is Canelo which is a good example for boxers who like to be successful in their career.

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Quote from: molsewid on November 27, 2021, 11:44:23 PM

Quote from: Silberman on November 26, 2021, 01:56:24 PM

The transition to a heavier division is always difficult, after all he is considered to be a very heavy puncher in his current division but at the heavier divisions this may not be true, so supposing this is the case then he will need to adjust his style and increase the rate at which he throws punches, which will leave him more open for attacks and we will see if his chin can take the increased strength of his opponents, all in all this seems like a good challenge for Canelo and it is going to be very interesting to see if Canelo can overcome it.

This will be a challenging fight for Canelo for sure even if he is considered as a heavy puncher in his current division moving to a heavier division is not that easy. Ilunga Makabu accept the offer smoothly and he is preparing for this fight with Canelo for he was also acknowledging that Canelo was one of the best fighter today. This would going to be an exciting fight to watch for, I am rooting for Canelo but I don't think so if a knock out win in favor of Canelo will going to happen, quite difficult to predict.

We will have to wait and see if Canelo actually fights Makabu, it seems he needs to have a mandatory fight and his opponent is not taking the step aside money because he thinks he can win, and in that case he is the one that will face Canelo and get a lot more money from that fight than whatever he could get from the step aside money, however assuming that Makabu wins it is still going to be a difficult fight for Canelo as he will have no time to adjust to the division and will fight one of the champions right away.

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And I think Canelo said that he can fight 2-3 every year, so 4-6 months between fights is ample for him as he is getting used to it. Although he will moving up in weight class, there will be no adjusted for him. He might be walking right now above 170 lbs and then goes on training and gain 10 lbs more because that's what his target in this fight, at least 180 lbs, to absorb the punches of a legitimate cruiserweight.

As we speak, Canelo might be over 170lbs now. He shouldn't have difficulty fighting in a much heavier division because his body is already used to it. I'm really amazed at these boxers. How can you maintain over 170lbs with a big muscular body? The usual weight of that is playing at around 200lbs. Their training and discipline are really to the highest level.

It's probably how Canelo's body is built, so he has to thank his parents for his gene because he is stocky so he can carry a lot of weight and still be muscular at the same time. Of course there nothing to beat a good set of discipline and having good people around you to really help developed your skills thru hard training and that's how Canelo was able to maintain and always go 100% on his every fight including this big challenge ahead of him.

And the good thing with Canelo is he is not a trash talker. Based from the photos, it seems Alvarez & Makabu are good friends, unlike the recent Lopez vs Kambosos fight, which ended up as an upset, and the thing was, Lopez was confident that he will win on this fight. But with this match, Canelo seems confident to move up so it means, he can do this fight. He has the discipline of a boxer, so let's watch this upcoming fight. Waiting for the odds from sportsbooks...

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 27, 2021, 04:10:58 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 27, 2021, 03:41:26 AM

And I think Canelo said that he can fight 2-3 every year, so 4-6 months between fights is ample for him as he is getting used to it. Although he will moving up in weight class, there will be no adjusted for him. He might be walking right now above 170 lbs and then goes on training and gain 10 lbs more because that's what his target in this fight, at least 180 lbs, to absorb the punches of a legitimate cruiserweight.

As we speak, Canelo might be over 170lbs now. He shouldn't have difficulty fighting in a much heavier division because his body is already used to it. I'm really amazed at these boxers. How can you maintain over 170lbs with a big muscular body? The usual weight of that is playing at around 200lbs. Their training and discipline are really to the highest level.

It's probably how Canelo's body is built, so he has to thank his parents for his gene because he is stocky so he can carry a lot of weight and still be muscular at the same time. Of course there nothing to beat a good set of discipline and having good people around you to really help developed your skills thru hard training and that's how Canelo was able to maintain and always go 100% on his every fight including this big challenge ahead of him.

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Quote from: molsewid on November 27, 2021, 11:44:23 PM

Quote from: Silberman on November 26, 2021, 01:56:24 PM

The transition to a heavier division is always difficult, after all he is considered to be a very heavy puncher in his current division but at the heavier divisions this may not be true, so supposing this is the case then he will need to adjust his style and increase the rate at which he throws punches, which will leave him more open for attacks and we will see if his chin can take the increased strength of his opponents, all in all this seems like a good challenge for Canelo and it is going to be very interesting to see if Canelo can overcome it.

This will be a challenging fight for Canelo for sure even if he is considered as a heavy puncher in his current division moving to a heavier division is not that easy. Ilunga Makabu accept the offer smoothly and he is preparing for this fight with Canelo for he was also acknowledging that Canelo was one of the best fighter today. This would going to be an exciting fight to watch for, I am rooting for Canelo but I don't think so if a knock out win in favor of Canelo will going to happen, quite difficult to predict.

It will be an opportunity for Makabu to fight Canelo, I mean Alvarez is already a legend and if he retires for sure in years to come his name will come up as the fighter that Canelo faces in the CW and beat.

Who knows, Canelo might still carry his power at this weight division because he will not need to diet and make the desired weight. All he has to do is eat a lot and maybe hit the gym for muscle and then train in the gym.

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Quote from: Silberman on November 26, 2021, 01:56:24 PM

The transition to a heavier division is always difficult, after all he is considered to be a very heavy puncher in his current division but at the heavier divisions this may not be true, so supposing this is the case then he will need to adjust his style and increase the rate at which he throws punches, which will leave him more open for attacks and we will see if his chin can take the increased strength of his opponents, all in all this seems like a good challenge for Canelo and it is going to be very interesting to see if Canelo can overcome it.

This will be a challenging fight for Canelo for sure even if he is considered as a heavy puncher in his current division moving to a heavier division is not that easy. Ilunga Makabu accept the offer smoothly and he is preparing for this fight with Canelo for he was also acknowledging that Canelo was one of the best fighter today. This would going to be an exciting fight to watch for, I am rooting for Canelo but I don't think so if a knock out win in favor of Canelo will going to happen, quite difficult to predict.

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