[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs. Ilunga Makabu - page 4.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 11, 2021, 01:10:35 AM

If Canelo is successful in Cruiserweight then he might stay there for a while, but yeah, him moving to Heavies? not gonna happen.

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That's very ambitious, but knowing his characteristic, it's very possible that he is aiming to do that.

He wanted to move forward. Once he defeats Makabu, it will be sure that more challengers for him, more fights to expect and more exposure

for his name. I really wanted to see him fight after fight. If in case, he really excels from this division, we never know if he will stay or move again

to another division to see if how far he can proceed.

Being the number 1 pound for pound in the ranking, that's not "very" ambitious to call it. I mean moving forward is every fighter's ambition, but once you become the best in different weight division, that's not called very ambitious, that's called maximizing your potential to measure how strong your body can take. Staying in the same weight division knowing that you dominate it will just make a fighter lazy, impassionate, and will probably won't challenge him anymore.

If I am a boxer and will defeat a higher ranking or weight division than me, I won't stop moving forward. I think that's what every fighter wants to happen in their career.

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Quote from: Rufsilf on December 12, 2021, 08:01:05 AM

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If Canelo is successful in Cruiserweight then he might stay there for a while, but yeah, him moving to Heavies? not gonna happen.

We aren't sure about that. Once a boxer is undisputed in every weight class, he is qualified for the next level. Their body is now switching to adopt a much heavy challenge as the training becomes more intense too. Canelo can move up a bit higher than Light Heavyweight if that's the goal but not a priority.

As of now, Canelo wants to destroy every fighter on the way regardless of their status. If where he will end up, we don't know.

That's exactly what I'm thinking also, Canelo is not planning to stop in cruiserweight division if ever he defeats Makabu, no that's not in his plan. Can't you see that he's accepting any rematch from any of his former opponents that he defeated? He's planning to move any division he wants with a goal to defeat any undisputed fighter.

That's very ambitious, but knowing his characteristic, it's very possible that he is aiming to do that.

He wanted to move forward. Once he defeats Makabu, it will be sure that more challengers for him, more fights to expect and more exposure

for his name. I really wanted to see him fight after fight. If in case, he really excels from this division, we never know if he will stay or move again

to another division to see if how far he can proceed.

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Quote from: Russlenat on December 11, 2021, 04:30:16 PM

No doubt about the viewers as Canelo's fans will always support him in his new venture in the CW. The excitement is also there as we don't know yet if Canelo would still dominate like what he did in his present division, and we are guessing big time here since his opponent is a natural heavy fighter.

I wish he'll win, but if not, then he can still go back and continue to dominate in a division where he is more comfortable.

Fans will always be there for Canelo. Even moving up to this new weight, they are still hoping and believing that Alvarez will continue
to dominate and win the fight.

Maybe it's not the usual ground for Canelo, but he's intelligence and skills will keep the chance.

Much bigger opponent means more challenging fight, and for sure an interesting one for Alvarez.

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Quote from: Rufsilf on December 12, 2021, 08:01:05 AM

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 11, 2021, 01:10:35 AM

If Canelo is successful in Cruiserweight then he might stay there for a while, but yeah, him moving to Heavies? not gonna happen.

We aren't sure about that. Once a boxer is undisputed in every weight class, he is qualified for the next level. Their body is now switching to adopt a much heavy challenge as the training becomes more intense too. Canelo can move up a bit higher than Light Heavyweight if that's the goal but not a priority.

As of now, Canelo wants to destroy every fighter on the way regardless of their status. If where he will end up, we don't know.

That's exactly what I'm thinking also, Canelo is not planning to stop in cruiserweight division if ever he defeats Makabu, no that's not in his plan. Can't you see that he's accepting any rematch from any of his former opponents that he defeated? He's planning to move any division he wants with a goal to defeat any undisputed fighter.

But it will be dangerous for him bouncing in weight though, so I guess he would either have to stick to this new division or go to LHW with Beterviev or Bivol waiting for him it Cruiserweight will be too much for him.

He give GGG a rematch though, but we wanted a 3rd fight but Canelo doesn't want it and decided to move to 168 lbs. And he can't move to Heavyweight either, I think that's out of his options for now. So either 175 lbs or cruiserweight for him.

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Quote from: chaser15 on December 11, 2021, 02:05:23 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 11, 2021, 01:10:35 AM

If Canelo is successful in Cruiserweight then he might stay there for a while, but yeah, him moving to Heavies? not gonna happen.

We aren't sure about that. Once a boxer is undisputed in every weight class, he is qualified for the next level. Their body is now switching to adopt a much heavy challenge as the training becomes more intense too. Canelo can move up a bit higher than Light Heavyweight if that's the goal but not a priority.

As of now, Canelo wants to destroy every fighter on the way regardless of their status. If where he will end up, we don't know.

That's exactly what I'm thinking also, Canelo is not planning to stop in cruiserweight division if ever he defeats Makabu, no that's not in his plan. Can't you see that he's accepting any rematch from any of his former opponents that he defeated? He's planning to move any division he wants with a goal to defeat any undisputed fighter.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on December 11, 2021, 04:38:27 PM

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 11, 2021, 01:10:35 AM

If Canelo is successful in Cruiserweight then he might stay there for a while, but yeah, him moving to Heavies? not gonna happen.

We aren't sure about that. Once a boxer is undisputed in every weight class, he is qualified for the next level. Their body is now switching to adopt a much heavy challenge as the training becomes more intense too. Canelo can move up a bit higher than Light Heavyweight if that's the goal but not a priority.

As of now, Canelo wants to destroy every fighter on the way regardless of their status. If where he will end up, we don't know.

He said he will go to 180 lbs in this fight so that is about Light Heavyweight limit.

And his body has adopted to his weight already so there's no problem about it. It's just a question on how Canelo can take a punch for a legit Cruiserweight, we know he has a good chin, but I do believed that everyone has a limit so we will see in this fight. If his chin has no problems with much bigger guys then good for him and maybe he will be in this division for good.

And maybe that's what Canelo fighting weight when he moves to LHW against Kovalev or maybe that's what he carries when he is not fighting. So no more adjustments for him, but yes you are right about his world class chin, it will be very well tested.

But Canelo knows this so he will play defense and tuck in his chin and this CW tends to be slower because they are bigger and weight more than 200 lbs fight night. So Canelo is still has the advantage because he will still be faster I reckon even if he moves up in weight.

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Quote from: chaser15 on December 11, 2021, 02:05:23 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 11, 2021, 01:10:35 AM

If Canelo is successful in Cruiserweight then he might stay there for a while, but yeah, him moving to Heavies? not gonna happen.

We aren't sure about that. Once a boxer is undisputed in every weight class, he is qualified for the next level. Their body is now switching to adopt a much heavy challenge as the training becomes more intense too. Canelo can move up a bit higher than Light Heavyweight if that's the goal but not a priority.

As of now, Canelo wants to destroy every fighter on the way regardless of their status. If where he will end up, we don't know.

He said he will go to 180 lbs in this fight so that is about Light Heavyweight limit.

And his body has adopted to his weight already so there's no problem about it. It's just a question on how Canelo can take a punch for a legit Cruiserweight, we know he has a good chin, but I do believed that everyone has a limit so we will see in this fight. If his chin has no problems with much bigger guys then good for him and maybe he will be in this division for good.

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Quote from: Pamadar on December 11, 2021, 02:26:22 PM

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 11, 2021, 01:10:35 AM

If Canelo is successful in Cruiserweight then he might stay there for a while, but yeah, him moving to Heavies? not gonna happen.

We aren't sure about that. Once a boxer is undisputed in every weight class, he is qualified for the next level. Their body is now switching to adopt a much heavy challenge as the training becomes more intense too. Canelo can move up a bit higher than Light Heavyweight if that's the goal but not a priority.

As of now, Canelo wants to destroy every fighter on the way regardless of their status. If where he will end up, we don't know.

It's just another start for him. We can speculate, but the conclusion depends on his performances from this weight division.

new sets of trainings and workouts to prepare him for this upcoming fight.
he can think to what direction to take after this.

For now, let's wait to see these two fighters inside the ring and enjoy the fight that they will
bring to all the fans and viewers.

No doubt about the viewers as Canelo's fans will always support him in his new venture in the CW. The excitement is also there as we don't know yet if Canelo would still dominate like what he did in his present division, and we are guessing big time here since his opponent is a natural heavy fighter.

I wish he'll win, but if not, then he can still go back and continue to dominate in a division where he is more comfortable.

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Quote from: chaser15 on December 11, 2021, 02:05:23 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 11, 2021, 01:10:35 AM

If Canelo is successful in Cruiserweight then he might stay there for a while, but yeah, him moving to Heavies? not gonna happen.

We aren't sure about that. Once a boxer is undisputed in every weight class, he is qualified for the next level. Their body is now switching to adopt a much heavy challenge as the training becomes more intense too. Canelo can move up a bit higher than Light Heavyweight if that's the goal but not a priority.

As of now, Canelo wants to destroy every fighter on the way regardless of their status. If where he will end up, we don't know.

It's just another start for him. We can speculate, but the conclusion depends on his performances from this weight division.

new sets of trainings and workouts to prepare him for this upcoming fight.
he can think to what direction to take after this.

For now, let's wait to see these two fighters inside the ring and enjoy the fight that they will
bring to all the fans and viewers.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 11, 2021, 01:10:35 AM

If Canelo is successful in Cruiserweight then he might stay there for a while, but yeah, him moving to Heavies? not gonna happen.

We aren't sure about that. Once a boxer is undisputed in every weight class, he is qualified for the next level. Their body is now switching to adopt a much heavy challenge as the training becomes more intense too. Canelo can move up a bit higher than Light Heavyweight if that's the goal but not a priority.

As of now, Canelo wants to destroy every fighter on the way regardless of their status. If where he will end up, we don't know.

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Quote from: mirakal on December 10, 2021, 04:54:15 PM

That's too much for Canelo, the height difference matters also and with Fury, no chance Canelo or GGG would win as even Wilder who is a heavy hitter cannot completely KO Fury.

Height matters but in boxing, as long as you fighting within the same weight, the shorter one has the advantage. Pacquiao and Mayweather is the best proof of that. Canelo is known for his expertise in swing defense. It was so fast that he can make a counter while his opponent is still waiting for their punching stance to come back.

But talking about Canelo vs Fury or Wilder is not a topic for now. It won't happen by any chances until there's a rumor.

If Canelo is successful in Cruiserweight then he might stay there for a while, but yeah, him moving to Heavies? not gonna happen.

Maybe if he can move like Usyk, very fast and technical, maybe he can upset some heavyweight that are slow, but with the likes of Fury who is very fast even at a height of 6'6++ it's hard to see Canelo dealing with that disadvantage.

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Quote from: mirakal on December 10, 2021, 04:54:15 PM

That's too much for Canelo, the height difference matters also and with Fury, no chance Canelo or GGG would win as even Wilder who is a heavy hitter cannot completely KO Fury.

Height matters but in boxing, as long as you fighting within the same weight, the shorter one has the advantage. Pacquiao and Mayweather is the best proof of that. Canelo is known for his expertise in swing defense. It was so fast that he can make a counter while his opponent is still waiting for their punching stance to come back.

But talking about Canelo vs Fury or Wilder is not a topic for now. It won't happen by any chances until there's a rumor.

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It is going to be very interesting what happens in the cruiserweight category now that Canelo is in it, most of those champions are going to want to have the chance to fight him so they can earn a lot of money but they could be giving away their belts in the process, if Canelo dominates this division as well all what will be left for him will be try to fight in the heavyweight division, even if not long ago Canelo insisted that was not part of his plans.

I would not say that Canelo will dominate, too early for that, he is only trying to fight his first attempt in this heavier division, so let's see first how he will perform as heavy fighters are not easy to knockdown, and usually, the one that is going up will struggle that's why only a few boxers succeeded in doing that.

I did not said that he will do it I was just bringing up an scenario, after all boxing is a business and it is obvious that the champions are going to want to fight Canelo right away and get their pay while at the same time they defeat him and show their superiority, but what will happen if Canelo can in fact beat them? He can easily get two belts before the rest of the champions become aware of how much of a threat he is, and then it could be a matter of time before we see him getting all the belts or having no option but to move to the heavyweight division.

I think Canelo moving to HW is far stretch for now, I mean just imagine Fury vs Canelo? or even Wilder vs Canelo for all the money? The weight and the height difference will be too much.

That's too much for Canelo, the height difference matters also and with Fury, no chance Canelo or GGG would win as even Wilder who is a heavy hitter cannot completely KO Fury.

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on December 09, 2021, 05:49:37 AM

Canelo is just testing the waters in the CW division and if he see fit here, then maybe he will stay or go down to LHW but there are two champions in the weight division that has big power as well and maybe that's the reason why he skip LHW and go directly to CW because it's "easy" fight for him and possible to get all the belts after just a couple of fights.

For sure, but I hope it's a calculated test as boxers in CW are heavy hitters compared to the division where he won as an undisputed champion.

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It is going to be very interesting what happens in the cruiserweight category now that Canelo is in it, most of those champions are going to want to have the chance to fight him so they can earn a lot of money but they could be giving away their belts in the process, if Canelo dominates this division as well all what will be left for him will be try to fight in the heavyweight division, even if not long ago Canelo insisted that was not part of his plans.

I would not say that Canelo will dominate, too early for that, he is only trying to fight his first attempt in this heavier division, so let's see first how he will perform as heavy fighters are not easy to knockdown, and usually, the one that is going up will struggle that's why only a few boxers succeeded in doing that.

I did not said that he will do it I was just bringing up an scenario, after all boxing is a business and it is obvious that the champions are going to want to fight Canelo right away and get their pay while at the same time they defeat him and show their superiority, but what will happen if Canelo can in fact beat them? He can easily get two belts before the rest of the champions become aware of how much of a threat he is, and then it could be a matter of time before we see him getting all the belts or having no option but to move to the heavyweight division.

I think Canelo moving to HW is far stretch for now, I mean just imagine Fury vs Canelo? or even Wilder vs Canelo for all the money? The weight and the height difference will be too much.

Canelo is just testing the waters in the CW division and if he see fit here, then maybe he will stay or go down to LHW but there are two champions in the weight division that has big power as well and maybe that's the reason why he skip LHW and go directly to CW because it's "easy" fight for him and possible to get all the belts after just a couple of fights.

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Quote from: South Park on December 08, 2021, 03:29:39 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on December 01, 2021, 06:43:44 PM

There has been a change of plans in this fight,

Canelo won't go directly to Makabu, but he has to wait for the winner of Makabu vs Mchunu. This is a rematch fight and Mchunu doesn't want to step aside and this is going to be scheduled next year January 29.

https://www.boxingscene.com/wbc-prez-makabu-mchunu-winner-go-against-canelo--162422

It was to be expected, after all we know that right now Canelo is the cash cow of the world of boxing, so whoever he fights is going to get a lot of money for the privilege, so no one wants to miss the opportunity to fight him now that he is entering a new division, after all this is probably going to be one of the best opportunities anyone is going to have to beat him as he is not going to be used to fight with that much weight yet and his speed and power could be compromised.

I think you are missing the point of that rematch between Makabu vs Mchunu. There is no connection with what you are saying that Canelo is a cash cow.

Let that fight happen as there's a reason for it to be held first. Canelo can always wait and that should not be a problem for him.

OP should now update the thread or else, locked for the meantime.

Maybe what he is saying that who will ever win in their rematch will face Canelo, boxing's cash cow. So there is still connection for Makabu vs Mchunu.

Either one of them are going to train hard and fight as hard as they can because they know that they are going to be rewarded next with a great pay against Canelo. But I would say that Canelo will still have the advantage on either of Makabu or Mchunu and chances are high that he will get the cruiserweight title.

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Quote from: South Park on December 08, 2021, 03:29:39 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on December 01, 2021, 06:43:44 PM

There has been a change of plans in this fight,

Canelo won't go directly to Makabu, but he has to wait for the winner of Makabu vs Mchunu. This is a rematch fight and Mchunu doesn't want to step aside and this is going to be scheduled next year January 29.

https://www.boxingscene.com/wbc-prez-makabu-mchunu-winner-go-against-canelo--162422

It was to be expected, after all we know that right now Canelo is the cash cow of the world of boxing, so whoever he fights is going to get a lot of money for the privilege, so no one wants to miss the opportunity to fight him now that he is entering a new division, after all this is probably going to be one of the best opportunities anyone is going to have to beat him as he is not going to be used to fight with that much weight yet and his speed and power could be compromised.

I think you are missing the point of that rematch between Makabu vs Mchunu. There is no connection with what you are saying that Canelo is a cash cow.

Let that fight happen as there's a reason for it to be held first. Canelo can always wait and that should not be a problem for him.

OP should now update the thread or else, locked for the meantime.

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Quote from: Viscore on December 05, 2021, 04:35:19 PM

Quote from: Silberman on December 05, 2021, 02:11:37 PM

It is going to be very interesting what happens in the cruiserweight category now that Canelo is in it, most of those champions are going to want to have the chance to fight him so they can earn a lot of money but they could be giving away their belts in the process, if Canelo dominates this division as well all what will be left for him will be try to fight in the heavyweight division, even if not long ago Canelo insisted that was not part of his plans.

I would not say that Canelo will dominate, too early for that, he is only trying to fight his first attempt in this heavier division, so let's see first how he will perform as heavy fighters are not easy to knockdown, and usually, the one that is going up will struggle that's why only a few boxers succeeded in doing that.

I did not said that he will do it I was just bringing up an scenario, after all boxing is a business and it is obvious that the champions are going to want to fight Canelo right away and get their pay while at the same time they defeat him and show their superiority, but what will happen if Canelo can in fact beat them? He can easily get two belts before the rest of the champions become aware of how much of a threat he is, and then it could be a matter of time before we see him getting all the belts or having no option but to move to the heavyweight division.

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 01, 2021, 06:43:44 PM

There has been a change of plans in this fight,

Canelo won't go directly to Makabu, but he has to wait for the winner of Makabu vs Mchunu. This is a rematch fight and Mchunu doesn't want to step aside and this is going to be scheduled next year January 29.

https://www.boxingscene.com/wbc-prez-makabu-mchunu-winner-go-against-canelo--162422

It was to be expected, after all we know that right now Canelo is the cash cow of the world of boxing, so whoever he fights is going to get a lot of money for the privilege, so no one wants to miss the opportunity to fight him now that he is entering a new division, after all this is probably going to be one of the best opportunities anyone is going to have to beat him as he is not going to be used to fight with that much weight yet and his speed and power could be compromised.

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As expected with Canelo after winning on his last match, he can easily have the next match so they can continue with the hype.
With the records of Makabu, I can say that he is a great boxer and should be taken seriously by Canelo this could be a big match for him and if he him, for sure next match will settle right away. Any news about the target date of this Match?

Yes, it's quite possible.

But there's always another end to the story if the past winner is not in form or didn't had good rest or medical issues.
The first match of Canelo was easy to predict and Canelo was in form and with more exp compared to their opponent.

I wouldn't call Canelo hype though, I mean he has proven himself time and time again and could be the fighter of the decade by all means. And then him going up from 154 lbs to 190 lbs that's amazing, just like another legendary boxer who just retired, Manny Pacquiao.

So with this another accomplished, either who he face, he will the favourite although this will be a new territory for him.

Nevertheless, we know how great he is, as he can adjust and fight all adversities, for sure he can win this fight and include his name again as one of the greats in recent generation.

Adjustment will be witness once the fight started, it's a new territory for him indeed he's going to compete with someone who has all the advantages from this ring, though most of his fans believes that he can stand up and make another accomplishments but for sure this time it won't be an easy journey for him.

After this fight, if in case, he takes this one from Makabu. There are more challenges that he will be facing.

He's journey toward this new weight is very interesting. We never know if he can really dominate or it's just a testing ground if he failed
he will simply go back.

As a Boxer then it would be a do or die kind of situation which he would tend to improve and go higher weigh division and this is where it do started and just like on what you said if ever he would failed then he would simply go back but doesnt mean that he wont be doing it again. You wouldnt know unless you do try.
It is actually varying on someones or on boxers preference or mindset in regarding into his career and this will really be different
on each boxers mind.

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Quote from: TravelMug on December 06, 2021, 11:36:37 PM

Quote from: SmokerFace on December 06, 2021, 07:01:34 PM

Quote from: goaldigger on November 18, 2021, 09:14:14 PM

As expected with Canelo after winning on his last match, he can easily have the next match so they can continue with the hype.
With the records of Makabu, I can say that he is a great boxer and should be taken seriously by Canelo this could be a big match for him and if he him, for sure next match will settle right away. Any news about the target date of this Match?

Yes, it's quite possible.

But there's always another end to the story if the past winner is not in form or didn't had good rest or medical issues.
The first match of Canelo was easy to predict and Canelo was in form and with more exp compared to their opponent.

I wouldn't call Canelo hype though, I mean he has proven himself time and time again and could be the fighter of the decade by all means. And then him going up from 154 lbs to 190 lbs that's amazing, just like another legendary boxer who just retired, Manny Pacquiao.

So with this another accomplished, either who he face, he will the favourite although this will be a new territory for him.

Nevertheless, we know how great he is, as he can adjust and fight all adversities, for sure he can win this fight and include his name again as one of the greats in recent generation.

Adjustment will be witness once the fight started, it's a new territory for him indeed he's going to compete with someone who has all the advantages from this ring, though most of his fans believes that he can stand up and make another accomplishments but for sure this time it won't be an easy journey for him.

After this fight, if in case, he takes this one from Makabu. There are more challenges that he will be facing.

He's journey toward this new weight is very interesting. We never know if he can really dominate or it's just a testing ground if he failed
he will simply go back.

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