[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs. Ilunga Makabu - page 2.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on December 20, 2021, 09:21:24 AM

Quote from: Jating on December 20, 2021, 07:06:04 AM

^^ Regardless of what Canelo path right now, he is carving his own name in the history books.

I don't think we have seen fighters moving from 154 to 190 - 200 lbs and fight for the Cruiserweight title. Many of them only reaches as high as super Middleweight and then Roy Jones to Heavyweight.

So Canelo Alvarez the first Mexican to ever to do this feat and we are all witness to it.

And I wish him success so I have something to tell my grandkids once Canelo will succeed in the path he is trying to cross now. We might just say it's an easy fight for him but in reality there's a big risk that he will lose as Cruiserweight champions throw heavier punches than the fighters in the division where Canelo had won an undisputed champ.

Indeed, those fighters from this division is more stronger the trainings and conditioning is much heavier compared from where Alvarez dominates, his chance is there but not as how we foreseen his fight from his own weight division where we are just waiting for the final announcement and expecting his name to be declared as winner.

From here, we all be witness with this new path that Alvarez is trying to walk on. His skills will be challenged and if he succeeds.
That's more likely the beginning of the new chapter of his career. Wink

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Quote from: Kemarit on December 17, 2021, 10:26:30 PM

^^ I do agree, he is following footsteps of Manny by going up in weight and winning belts.

Who is following Pacquiao's footsteps? Canelo? No way. He is not the type of boxer that will follow someone. He is creating his own journey and challenging on much higher division doesn't mean he is following Pacquiao's footsteps. They are also in a different league with Pacquiao.

What Canelo achieved or will achieve is his own legacy. He respects Pacquiao but does not follow him.

why did he have to follow pacqui? I think something like this is irrelevant.
to respect each other is possible because even if we compete in the ring it doesn't mean we can't respect each other. but to imitate and follow? don't make stupid jokes like this when there are no clear facts and statements from the parties concerned

My point is that he is going up in weight we've never seen such boxers in recent memories.

And Canelo started in 154 and if he is going up in more than 30 lbs which Pacquaio did as well. And it's no joke although in the past there are a lot of boxers who also goes up in weight, but the impact that Pacquiao did is different specially for Mexico which Pacquiao has done for the Philippines. Of course he can't go to 8 weight class or even 6 because it's impossible for him to go to Heavyweight, but his accomplishments inside the ring, being pound for pound and the impact he brings and legacy (not political obviously) is similar to Manny.

thanks for explaining.
when you talk like that, it's actually an achievement in itself because they can make something interesting with different classes, especially for these two boxers.
other than that I feel canelo will be able to make more extraordinary shocks with his achievements and his current age is still in a productive age for a boxer

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Quote from: Jating on December 20, 2021, 07:06:04 AM

^^ Regardless of what Canelo path right now, he is carving his own name in the history books.

I don't think we have seen fighters moving from 154 to 190 - 200 lbs and fight for the Cruiserweight title. Many of them only reaches as high as super Middleweight and then Roy Jones to Heavyweight.

So Canelo Alvarez the first Mexican to ever to do this feat and we are all witness to it.

And I wish him success so I have something to tell my grandkids once Canelo will succeed in the path he is trying to cross now. We might just say it's an easy fight for him but in reality there's a big risk that he will lose as Cruiserweight champions throw heavier punches than the fighters in the division where Canelo had won an undisputed champ.

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^^ Regardless of what Canelo path right now, he is carving his own name in the history books.

I don't think we have seen fighters moving from 154 to 190 - 200 lbs and fight for the Cruiserweight title. Many of them only reaches as high as super Middleweight and then Roy Jones to Heavyweight.

So Canelo Alvarez the first Mexican to ever to do this feat and we are all witness to it.

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Quote from: herurist on December 19, 2021, 07:33:20 PM

Quote from: agustina2 on December 18, 2021, 04:19:26 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on December 17, 2021, 10:26:30 PM

^^ I do agree, he is following footsteps of Manny by going up in weight and winning belts.

Who is following Pacquiao's footsteps? Canelo? No way. He is not the type of boxer that will follow someone. He is creating his own journey and challenging on much higher division doesn't mean he is following Pacquiao's footsteps. They are also in a different league with Pacquiao.

What Canelo achieved or will achieve is his own legacy. He respects Pacquiao but does not follow him.

why did he have to follow pacqui? I think something like this is irrelevant.
to respect each other is possible because even if we compete in the ring it doesn't mean we can't respect each other. but to imitate and follow? don't make stupid jokes like this when there are no clear facts and statements from the parties concerned

My point is that he is going up in weight we've never seen such boxers in recent memories.

And Canelo started in 154 and if he is going up in more than 30 lbs which Pacquaio did as well. And it's no joke although in the past there are a lot of boxers who also goes up in weight, but the impact that Pacquiao did is different specially for Mexico which Pacquiao has done for the Philippines. Of course he can't go to 8 weight class or even 6 because it's impossible for him to go to Heavyweight, but his accomplishments inside the ring, being pound for pound and the impact he brings and legacy (not political obviously) is similar to Manny.

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Quote from: agustina2 on December 18, 2021, 04:19:26 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on December 17, 2021, 10:26:30 PM

^^ I do agree, he is following footsteps of Manny by going up in weight and winning belts.

Who is following Pacquiao's footsteps? Canelo? No way. He is not the type of boxer that will follow someone. He is creating his own journey and challenging on much higher division doesn't mean he is following Pacquiao's footsteps. They are also in a different league with Pacquiao.

What Canelo achieved or will achieve is his own legacy. He respects Pacquiao but does not follow him.

why did he have to follow pacqui? I think something like this is irrelevant.
to respect each other is possible because even if we compete in the ring it doesn't mean we can't respect each other. but to imitate and follow? don't make stupid jokes like this when there are no clear facts and statements from the parties concerned

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 18, 2021, 04:41:53 AM

Manny has won 8 already as most boxing pundits put it, while Canelo is attempting his 5th in CW division but I think that's the most that he will got and could be in the company of some of the best boxers who have won 5 titles or more like Oscar or Floyd. Manny is on top though.

That's a big task if Canelo will push up to 8 holding title within the Cruiserweight. No need to do it as he can step up on another level. However, there are lots of big names on his chosen path. If possible, Canelo might achieve another milestone in his career for the next 2-3 years challenging boxers in that division.

Just a surprise to me that Canelo is not aware of this fight and the plan of the supposed moving up. It was reported that he was surprised by his long-time trainer Eddy Reynoso and told him to take a shot in another title match against Ilunga Makabu. Meaning, Canelo's stepping up is just a plan but his trainer makes it real right away.

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Quote from: agustina2 on December 18, 2021, 04:19:26 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on December 17, 2021, 10:26:30 PM

^^ I do agree, he is following footsteps of Manny by going up in weight and winning belts.

Who is following Pacquiao's footsteps? Canelo? No way. He is not the type of boxer that will follow someone. He is creating his own journey and challenging on much higher division doesn't mean he is following Pacquiao's footsteps. They are also in a different league with Pacquiao.

What Canelo achieved or will achieve is his own legacy. He respects Pacquiao but does not follow him.

Maybe what he meant is that he wanted to have the same achievement as Manny does, winning multiple titles in different weights.

Manny has won 8 already as most boxing pundits put it, while Canelo is attempting his 5th in CW division but I think that's the most that he will got and could be in the company of some of the best boxers who have won 5 titles or more like Oscar or Floyd. Manny is on top though.

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Quote from: Kemarit on December 17, 2021, 10:26:30 PM

^^ I do agree, he is following footsteps of Manny by going up in weight and winning belts.

Who is following Pacquiao's footsteps? Canelo? No way. He is not the type of boxer that will follow someone. He is creating his own journey and challenging on much higher division doesn't mean he is following Pacquiao's footsteps. They are also in a different league with Pacquiao.

What Canelo achieved or will achieve is his own legacy. He respects Pacquiao but does not follow him.

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^^ I do agree, he is following footsteps of Manny by going up in weight and winning belts.

So that is the history, first Mexican to be a 5 time champion in different weight classes if he won in this Cruiserweight division. From 154,160,168,175 and now 190 lbs. So top of the pound for pound lists again. And I think someone is envy of his accomplished.

https://www.essentiallysports.com/boxing-news-floyd-mayweather-disgusted-by-canelo-alvarez-vs-ilunga-makabu/

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Mayweather feels Canelo is ducking David Benavidez by moving up in weight classes. Per Michael Benson, ‘Money’ said: “Canelo’s a helluva fighter, but in my personal opinion he’s ducking David Benavidez… Do I like this [Ilunga Makabu] fight? Absolutely not. We wanna see Benavidez.”

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Quote from: Questat on December 17, 2021, 02:30:41 PM

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I read some posts online that the higher the weight class the better the pay, so money is not a problem if Canelo would excel here as he will surely get big fights and be paid better than he was paid in the division he reign, after this, he can to go light heavyweight but let's not presume it now, it's too early, he has to win this fight first and it should be in a convincing way.

Yes before anything else, Canelo should win first his first match on a different division. The result will determine if he's really fit in that division. I don't see him losing but I don't look at it as an easy win. There's a big difference competing in a much higher weight class but I know Canelo can surely manage it and already preparing for it for long.

In the first place, he won't decide to move up if he's not prepared physically and mentally.

So the next best option and challenge for him is to go up to 180-200 which is CW and challenge the champion and get another belt for history.

That is obviously the best option for him after he beats all the undefeated in the super middle weight division.
History for him will happen if he can beat Makabu.
This might not going to be an easy win, because climbing a weight division is a lot more riskier than the usual weight division he's fighting.
It's rare to see a fighter dominating every weight division he climbed like Manny.

He won't make another history by just beating Makabu, I guess he needs a tougher job and that is to dominate the Cruiserweight division and be an undisputed once again, not sure if someone had already done that but Canelo will surely make another mark on the history if he ever gets the success in this division.

I think it's more of a challenge for him, he embraces it that's why he moves up in weight again to cruiserweight and test himself against a natural bigger guy in Makabu. And that is the true spirit of a champion, willing to take risk and his record.

And if Canelo past this one, there is no question that he is the best pound for pound boxer in the planet. No discussions about it. The second place could be between Loma or Bud Crawford. But Canelo is way above in the list.

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Quote from: Oasisman on December 17, 2021, 09:31:46 AM

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Quote from: Questat on December 16, 2021, 04:37:50 PM

I read some posts online that the higher the weight class the better the pay, so money is not a problem if Canelo would excel here as he will surely get big fights and be paid better than he was paid in the division he reign, after this, he can to go light heavyweight but let's not presume it now, it's too early, he has to win this fight first and it should be in a convincing way.

Yes before anything else, Canelo should win first his first match on a different division. The result will determine if he's really fit in that division. I don't see him losing but I don't look at it as an easy win. There's a big difference competing in a much higher weight class but I know Canelo can surely manage it and already preparing for it for long.

In the first place, he won't decide to move up if he's not prepared physically and mentally.

So the next best option and challenge for him is to go up to 180-200 which is CW and challenge the champion and get another belt for history.

That is obviously the best option for him after he beats all the undefeated in the super middle weight division.
History for him will happen if he can beat Makabu.
This might not going to be an easy win, because climbing a weight division is a lot more riskier than the usual weight division he's fighting.
It's rare to see a fighter dominating every weight division he climbed like Manny.

He won't make another history by just beating Makabu, I guess he needs a tougher job and that is to dominate the Cruiserweight division and be an undisputed once again, not sure if someone had already done that but Canelo will surely make another mark on the history if he ever gets the success in this division.

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Quote from: Kemarit on December 17, 2021, 09:13:40 AM

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I read some posts online that the higher the weight class the better the pay, so money is not a problem if Canelo would excel here as he will surely get big fights and be paid better than he was paid in the division he reign, after this, he can to go light heavyweight but let's not presume it now, it's too early, he has to win this fight first and it should be in a convincing way.

Yes before anything else, Canelo should win first his first match on a different division. The result will determine if he's really fit in that division. I don't see him losing but I don't look at it as an easy win. There's a big difference competing in a much higher weight class but I know Canelo can surely manage it and already preparing for it for long.

In the first place, he won't decide to move up if he's not prepared physically and mentally.

So the next best option and challenge for him is to go up to 180-200 which is CW and challenge the champion and get another belt for history.

That is obviously the best option for him after he beats all the undefeated in the super middle weight division.
History for him will happen if he can beat Makabu.
This might not going to be an easy win, because climbing a weight division is a lot more riskier than the usual weight division he's fighting.
It's rare to see a fighter dominating every weight division he climbed like Manny.

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I know everyone is keeping an eye on Canelo and believing that he could make this upcoming fight of him against Makabu favor on him again which it is undeniable that Canelo is a great fighter with no record of loss but he needed to accomplish this planned game of him before he entertain another milestone on his career.

Since Canelo is moving up, he becomes an interest to anyone. Defeating Makabu is the first step if he is fit on a much above weight class. I don't consider Makabu as an easy opponent as he is used to fighting already on that catchweight.

Quote from: btc_angela on December 13, 2021, 09:00:26 AM

Maybe he just wanted to test the waters and if he didn't like it or if he goes to win a belt then he can go down to LW and chase more against a undefeated champion in Beterbiev.

I also thought of this but if Canelo will win the fight, he will think he can handle that weight class and will be more open to fighting much above boxers. If he loses, he will ask for a rematch before considering going back to his preferred weight class.

I also consider that Canelo is well above MaKabu, Makabu is a great boxer, his technique is very good and in fact his training is not easy at all, I have seen some videos of him and they really are very promising, but when we compare him with Canelo , I think Canelo is still above the average of many boxers, because he is accustomed to his victories and Makabu is starting in a higher category than him and to welcome him, Canelo would say that Canelo is overqualified for him, without detracting from the effort of Makabu.

Canelo has a huge potential in this industry. We've seen how he defended different titles which only proves that he's making a good name in the boxing field. Makabu is also a tough fighter but compared to Canelo, he's a bit weak and still has a lot to prove. I hope that he'll learn how to defeat Canelo's promising moves in the ring.

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Quote from: Questat on December 16, 2021, 04:37:50 PM

I read some posts online that the higher the weight class the better the pay, so money is not a problem if Canelo would excel here as he will surely get big fights and be paid better than he was paid in the division he reign, after this, he can to go light heavyweight but let's not presume it now, it's too early, he has to win this fight first and it should be in a convincing way.

Yes before anything else, Canelo should win first his first match on a different division. The result will determine if he's really fit in that division. I don't see him losing but I don't look at it as an easy win. There's a big difference competing in a much higher weight class but I know Canelo can surely manage it and already preparing for it for long.

In the first place, he won't decide to move up if he's not prepared physically and mentally.

Or we can say that he was 'force' to move up in weight because he has clean up the 168 lbs and he doesn't want to go back to 160 lbs anymore. He has tried 175 lbs division defeated Kovalev but there are 2 good champions waiting, Beterviev and Bivol.

So the next best option and challenge for him is to go up to 180-200 which is CW and challenge the champion and get another belt for history.

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Quote from: agustina2 on December 16, 2021, 06:56:31 PM

Quote from: Questat on December 16, 2021, 04:37:50 PM

I read some posts online that the higher the weight class the better the pay, so money is not a problem if Canelo would excel here as he will surely get big fights and be paid better than he was paid in the division he reign, after this, he can to go light heavyweight but let's not presume it now, it's too early, he has to win this fight first and it should be in a convincing way.

Yes before anything else, Canelo should win first his first match on a different division. The result will determine if he's really fit in that division. I don't see him losing but I don't look at it as an easy win. There's a big difference competing in a much higher weight class but I know Canelo can surely manage it and already preparing for it for long.

In the first place, he won't decide to move up if he's not prepared physically and mentally.

He and his camp knows that there's a big chance for him to win in this new division that's why they decided to move up, he needs to showcase his skills to win this fight and convince every viewers that he's fit to this new weight class. Not easy as how you described it and I completely following you with your opinion.

We can say that he's fit enough once he brings down Makabu for his first fight from this new weight division. Wink

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Quote from: Questat on December 16, 2021, 04:37:50 PM

I read some posts online that the higher the weight class the better the pay, so money is not a problem if Canelo would excel here as he will surely get big fights and be paid better than he was paid in the division he reign, after this, he can to go light heavyweight but let's not presume it now, it's too early, he has to win this fight first and it should be in a convincing way.

Yes before anything else, Canelo should win first his first match on a different division. The result will determine if he's really fit in that division. I don't see him losing but I don't look at it as an easy win. There's a big difference competing in a much higher weight class but I know Canelo can surely manage it and already preparing for it for long.

In the first place, he won't decide to move up if he's not prepared physically and mentally.

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Yes, Canelo has been jumping from one weight division to another. And even when he jumped to 175 pounds he was still able to handle himself well and even scored a great knockout victory against Kovalev. So I don't think Canelo has made this decision without taking into consideration how much weight he has to gain to be able to face Makabu. If he makes it to the scale, I think he can also handle Makabu well and could even bring him to the canvas as well. But 175 to 190 has 15 pounds in the middle. That's a big amount of weight Canelo has to gain.

Based on the body built of Canelo it wouldn't be hard for him to attain the 175 pounds requirement for the Cruiserweight division and yeah for sure he and or his team wouldn't allow jumping from one division to another if they know that Canelo isn't capable of. Maybe 190 pounds would be a bit challenging for him on how to attain it but somehow I think we shouldn't have to focus on it since Canelo has already a scheduled upcoming fight against Makabu.

175 lbs is for Light Heavy Weight, 190 lbs is for Cruiserweight. Maybe Canelo will weight between 180-190 lbs fighting in this division because for sure it will be hard for him to go to 200 lbs walking.

Well he can lift weights to gain body muscle but it might affect his speed, which will be his biggest advantage against a natural cruiserweight like Makabu.

He needs to work more to keep his speed even he's gaining weight, like what you just said, his speed will be his greatest advantage to
a natural cruiserweight division. If he can fight the way he originally has, even with this weight, the chance of winning is much better. Knowing Alvarez, he will do everything to excel.

He choose to step up. There must be a good reason aside from money. We will be the witness if he can proceed and bring more fights
from this new division.

I read some posts online that the higher the weight class the better the pay, so money is not a problem if Canelo would excel here as he will surely get big fights and be paid better than he was paid in the division he reign, after this, he can to go light heavyweight but let's not presume it now, it's too early, he has to win this fight first and it should be in a convincing way.

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Quote from: Jating on December 16, 2021, 11:42:47 AM

Quote from: molsewid on December 16, 2021, 12:17:59 AM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on December 15, 2021, 10:04:48 PM

Yes, Canelo has been jumping from one weight division to another. And even when he jumped to 175 pounds he was still able to handle himself well and even scored a great knockout victory against Kovalev. So I don't think Canelo has made this decision without taking into consideration how much weight he has to gain to be able to face Makabu. If he makes it to the scale, I think he can also handle Makabu well and could even bring him to the canvas as well. But 175 to 190 has 15 pounds in the middle. That's a big amount of weight Canelo has to gain.

Based on the body built of Canelo it wouldn't be hard for him to attain the 175 pounds requirement for the Cruiserweight division and yeah for sure he and or his team wouldn't allow jumping from one division to another if they know that Canelo isn't capable of. Maybe 190 pounds would be a bit challenging for him on how to attain it but somehow I think we shouldn't have to focus on it since Canelo has already a scheduled upcoming fight against Makabu.

175 lbs is for Light Heavy Weight, 190 lbs is for Cruiserweight. Maybe Canelo will weight between 180-190 lbs fighting in this division because for sure it will be hard for him to go to 200 lbs walking.

Well he can lift weights to gain body muscle but it might affect his speed, which will be his biggest advantage against a natural cruiserweight like Makabu.

He needs to work more to keep his speed even he's gaining weight, like what you just said, his speed will be his greatest advantage to
a natural cruiserweight division. If he can fight the way he originally has, even with this weight, the chance of winning is much better. Knowing Alvarez, he will do everything to excel.

He choose to step up. There must be a good reason aside from money. We will be the witness if he can proceed and bring more fights
from this new division.

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Quote from: molsewid on December 16, 2021, 12:17:59 AM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on December 15, 2021, 10:04:48 PM

Yes, Canelo has been jumping from one weight division to another. And even when he jumped to 175 pounds he was still able to handle himself well and even scored a great knockout victory against Kovalev. So I don't think Canelo has made this decision without taking into consideration how much weight he has to gain to be able to face Makabu. If he makes it to the scale, I think he can also handle Makabu well and could even bring him to the canvas as well. But 175 to 190 has 15 pounds in the middle. That's a big amount of weight Canelo has to gain.

Based on the body built of Canelo it wouldn't be hard for him to attain the 175 pounds requirement for the Cruiserweight division and yeah for sure he and or his team wouldn't allow jumping from one division to another if they know that Canelo isn't capable of. Maybe 190 pounds would be a bit challenging for him on how to attain it but somehow I think we shouldn't have to focus on it since Canelo has already a scheduled upcoming fight against Makabu.

175 lbs is for Light Heavy Weight, 190 lbs is for Cruiserweight. Maybe Canelo will weight between 180-190 lbs fighting in this division because for sure it will be hard for him to go to 200 lbs walking.

Well he can lift weights to gain body muscle but it might affect his speed, which will be his biggest advantage against a natural cruiserweight like Makabu.

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