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Quote from: Maslate on July 16, 2022, 02:22:15 PM

And it will remain as a controversial fight just like the other fights that has happened in the history of boxing, if no one to stand up about these bias with evidence then I don't doubt that it will remain as a pure speculation even if it is already clear in our eyes that the judges are trying to drag the scores in-favor of Canelo.

That's what the trilogy is serving the purpose, to erase all doubts and speculations about the previous fights.

We hope that no more controversies will be raised after we see the result of the fight. The result should be ended fair and square.

If the fight will really close, hard for judges to make the result fair, especially with the allegations that Canelo is favored by most judges.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on July 18, 2022, 06:01:41 PM

this may be the last hurrah for GGG, so people are on his side this time. this will be a very interesting fight indeed! wonder what will be the next move if GGG will win on this one. will Canelo ask for another fight?

I'm not sure for other people but for me, yes. Just being biased for GGG since might be the last time we will see him in the ring in case he will lose this fight even in an unfair decision. Canelo on the other hand still has lots of time to enjoy his prime even though he will lose this match.

For let's say GGG will win here, obviously he will still have more fights as if he is able to defeat the prime Canelo then it means he can still dominate even at that age. I don't see him retiring if he knows to himself that he still has it. Defeating Canelo in his prime within his comfort zone is very tough.

A 4th match is also possible regardless of the result. The same on what happened to the Pacquiao-Marquez saga (Draw-Pacman-Pacman-Marquez).

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Fans would want to see the fight ending in a KO rather than the decision so once and for all controversy will be over. Both GGG and Canelo are great fighters and they have their own fan-based, so we cannot really prevent from people thinking that the decision was not fair because as a fan we are sometimes biased.

Yes a KO decisive match would be great at this match.

True, I wanted to end this fight in a knock-out as well.

Quote from: harizen on July 17, 2022, 06:50:43 PM

But for me, regardless of the winning method, the end result should be entertaining as long as the result is fair.

I'm fine with the decision result as long as all throughout the match, we will see lots of exchange blows between them.

However, since both of this boxers seems to be not giving any advantage against each other, there could be no knock out. But for sure this will be an entertaining fight, after all this is a trilogy already. We've seen the last two and indeed the fans enjoyed it although there is controversies. So this could be again going to the score card of the judges.

based from the poll here, many are rooting for GGG to win this fight. and for the odds, it is very tempting to bet on GGG as it is about 4.2x as compared to Canelo, which is only 1.22x, stake odds here.

this may be the last hurrah for GGG, so people are on his side this time. this will be a very interesting fight indeed! wonder what will be the next move if GGG will win on this one. will Canelo ask for another fight?

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Quote from: harizen on July 17, 2022, 06:50:43 PM

Quote from: stadus on July 17, 2022, 06:51:22 AM

Fans would want to see the fight ending in a KO rather than the decision so once and for all controversy will be over. Both GGG and Canelo are great fighters and they have their own fan-based, so we cannot really prevent from people thinking that the decision was not fair because as a fan we are sometimes biased.

Yes a KO decisive match would be great at this match.

True, I wanted to end this fight in a knock-out as well.

Quote from: harizen on July 17, 2022, 06:50:43 PM

But for me, regardless of the winning method, the end result should be entertaining as long as the result is fair.

I'm fine with the decision result as long as all throughout the match, we will see lots of exchange blows between them.

However, since both of this boxers seems to be not giving any advantage against each other, there could be no knock out. But for sure this will be an entertaining fight, after all this is a trilogy already. We've seen the last two and indeed the fans enjoyed it although there is controversies. So this could be again going to the score card of the judges.

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Quote from: harizen on July 17, 2022, 06:50:43 PM

Quote from: stadus on July 17, 2022, 06:51:22 AM

Fans would want to see the fight ending in a KO rather than the decision so once and for all controversy will be over. Both GGG and Canelo are great fighters and they have their own fan-based, so we cannot really prevent from people thinking that the decision was not fair because as a fan we are sometimes biased.

Yes a KO decisive match would be great at this match.

But for me, regardless of the winning method, the end result should be entertaining as long as the result is fair.

I'm fine with the decision result as long as all throughout the match, we will see lots of exchange blows between them.

A KO will be indeed great to see in their upcoming trilogy but we know that GGG despite of his situation now, he is still not that easy to pin down as well as Canelo who is currently on his prime but I'm quite sure that we will see lots and lots of heavy exchange of punches. And if ever the fight ends in decision, well I just hope that the judges will not give some favors to their favorite boxer because that will just become another issue and fans won't be happy about that.
This better be a fair and just fight so that both fighters will both earn respect at the end of the fight.

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Quote from: agustina2 on July 17, 2022, 06:54:53 PM

Quote from: stadus on July 17, 2022, 06:51:22 AM

Fans would want to see the fight ending in a KO rather than the decision so once and for all controversy will be over. Both GGG and Canelo are great fighters and they have their own fan-based, so we cannot really prevent from people thinking that the decision was not fair because as a fan we are sometimes biased.

I think a KO match won't happen as both will try to avoid it. During their first two fights, both shown that they don't want to be KO and just try to remain stronger on their feet. But even the KO result will not happend, I think they will give us a good fight as they know what fans want to see them once they face each other on the ring.

I also have the feeling that they will be very careful inside the ring.
So we may even see the Mayweather-style here, if they won't engage inside the ring.
Both would want to prove that they are the best on this division, so let's see what's gonna be watching here.
Canelo for sure wants to win this fight after his recent loss, whereas, GGG may want to win as well before he hangs up his gloves.

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Quote from: agustina2 on July 17, 2022, 06:54:53 PM

Quote from: stadus on July 17, 2022, 06:51:22 AM

Fans would want to see the fight ending in a KO rather than the decision so once and for all controversy will be over. Both GGG and Canelo are great fighters and they have their own fan-based, so we cannot really prevent from people thinking that the decision was not fair because as a fan we are sometimes biased.

I think a KO match won't happen as both will try to avoid it. During their first two fights, both shown that they don't want to be KO and just try to remain stronger on their feet. But even the KO result will not happend, I think they will give us a good fight as they know what fans want to see them once they face each other on the ring.

It's not that they are going to avoid it, if the KO present itself, boxers can't stop it specially if they are caught napping. But both have a granite chin, so whoever touches it, even a natural 175 lbs like Bivol didn't put a dent on Canelo's chin. Same with GGG, he has.a solid chin as well and throughout his career, he was never knock down.

So it's hard to see to see the fight ending that way. It will still be up to the judges again for sure. However, as we discussed pages ago, judges might be biased for Canelo as proven in their last 2 fight.

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Quote from: stadus on July 17, 2022, 06:51:22 AM

Fans would want to see the fight ending in a KO rather than the decision so once and for all controversy will be over. Both GGG and Canelo are great fighters and they have their own fan-based, so we cannot really prevent from people thinking that the decision was not fair because as a fan we are sometimes biased.

I think a KO match won't happen as both will try to avoid it. During their first two fights, both shown that they don't want to be KO and just try to remain stronger on their feet. But even the KO result will not happend, I think they will give us a good fight as they know what fans want to see them once they face each other on the ring.

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Quote from: stadus on July 17, 2022, 06:51:22 AM

Fans would want to see the fight ending in a KO rather than the decision so once and for all controversy will be over. Both GGG and Canelo are great fighters and they have their own fan-based, so we cannot really prevent from people thinking that the decision was not fair because as a fan we are sometimes biased.

Yes a KO decisive match would be great at this match.

But for me, regardless of the winning method, the end result should be entertaining as long as the result is fair.

I'm fine with the decision result as long as all throughout the match, we will see lots of exchange blows between them.

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This is what happened in both of the fights between Canelo and GGG, with the second fight being completely stolen from GGG, and it was not only the fans that were mad as at the time I remember that many experts were also unhappy about the result as it was obvious GGG had won that fight.

There are many rumors about that fight and it's much better if they ended the fight with another draw, right?

but it's been rewarded by Canelo and GGG got robbed of that decision. Now another fight is upcoming, and it's another
chance for both fighters to prove something from this personal rivalry.

fans are excited to see how this fight will be decided, either another decision or a KO, something that is still unsure
knowing how tough these two fighters were.

Fans would want to see the fight ending in a KO rather than the decision so once and for all controversy will be over. Both GGG and Canelo are great fighters and they have their own fan-based, so we cannot really prevent from people thinking that the decision was not fair because as a fan we are sometimes biased.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on July 17, 2022, 01:54:12 AM

This is what happened in both of the fights between Canelo and GGG, with the second fight being completely stolen from GGG, and it was not only the fans that were mad as at the time I remember that many experts were also unhappy about the result as it was obvious GGG had won that fight.

There are many rumors about that fight and it's much better if they ended the fight with another draw, right?

but it's been rewarded by Canelo and GGG got robbed of that decision. Now another fight is upcoming, and it's another
chance for both fighters to prove something from this personal rivalry.

fans are excited to see how this fight will be decided, either another decision or a KO, something that is still unsure
knowing how tough these two fighters were.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on July 17, 2022, 01:54:12 AM

This is what happened in both of the fights between Canelo and GGG, with the second fight being completely stolen from GGG, and it was not only the fans that were mad as at the time I remember that many experts were also unhappy about the result as it was obvious GGG had won that fight.

I don't have any idea why you're think the second fight result is completely stolen rather than the first one. Actually the first fight is completely stolen and GGG should won via unanimous or majority decision, while the second fight it's either draw or Canelo won via split decision. I don't think it's time consuming to watch the two fights, you might only need to spent two hours and half.

Quote from: Sanitough on July 16, 2022, 07:50:43 AM

Although it will remain a controversial fight I doubt they will fight again, it's already a trilogy and could be the final fight between the two if GGG will not be able to pull up a win here. I like GGG but Canelo is just better than him, maybe because Canelo is younger and GGG is on the retirement age already. Anyway, regardless of who wins the fight, one thing is sure and that is this fight is surely fun to watch.

Maybe on an exhibition fight when one or both of them are retire, I think many people keep want both of them fight despite GGG will loss again... probably GGG would win in the exhibition fight lol.

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Quote from: Distinctin on July 16, 2022, 06:52:14 AM

GGG might be old and weary but the man still has a steel-like chin and Canelo knows that he will still have some struggles in defeating GGG just like in their previous fights.

But if Canelo would still win in the judges' eyes, then it will remain a controversial fight as it might again end up a close fight. Both are capable of knocking each other but both have a strong body and steel chin, so a KO is unlikely to be witnessed in this fight.

And it will remain as a controversial fight just like the other fights that has happened in the history of boxing, if no one to stand up about these bias with evidence then I don't doubt that it will remain as a pure speculation even if it is already clear in our eyes that the judges are trying to drag the scores in-favor of Canelo.

A KO is unlikely but there's still a chance as an upset is also possible, we don't know about that yet. Let's just hope that there would be some fair judgement on their trilogy because Canelo has been in the hot seat for a while on his controversial fights.

What happens is that even if we know that some fighters are given some help when the judges are scoring a fight, as everything depends on their perception and how the judges saw the fight, there are fights in which this is excessive.

This is what happened in both of the fights between Canelo and GGG, with the second fight being completely stolen from GGG, and it was not only the fans that were mad as at the time I remember that many experts were also unhappy about the result as it was obvious GGG had won that fight.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on July 16, 2022, 07:34:31 AM

Quote from: Distinctin on July 16, 2022, 06:52:14 AM

GGG might be old and weary but the man still has a steel-like chin and Canelo knows that he will still have some struggles in defeating GGG just like in their previous fights.

But if Canelo would still win in the judges' eyes, then it will remain a controversial fight as it might again end up a close fight. Both are capable of knocking each other but both have a strong body and steel chin, so a KO is unlikely to be witnessed in this fight.

And it will remain as a controversial fight just like the other fights that has happened in the history of boxing, if no one to stand up about these bias with evidence then I don't doubt that it will remain as a pure speculation even if it is already clear in our eyes that the judges are trying to drag the scores in-favor of Canelo.

A KO is unlikely but there's still a chance as an upset is also possible, we don't know about that yet. Let's just hope that there would be some fair judgement on their trilogy because Canelo has been in the hot seat for a while on his controversial fights.

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Quote from: Distinctin on July 16, 2022, 06:52:14 AM

GGG might be old and weary but the man still has a steel-like chin and Canelo knows that he will still have some struggles in defeating GGG just like in their previous fights.

But if Canelo would still win in the judges' eyes, then it will remain a controversial fight as it might again end up a close fight. Both are capable of knocking each other but both have a strong body and steel chin, so a KO is unlikely to be witnessed in this fight.

Although it will remain a controversial fight I doubt they will fight again, it's already a trilogy and could be the final fight between the two if GGG will not be able to pull up a win here. I like GGG but Canelo is just better than him, maybe because Canelo is younger and GGG is on the retirement age already. Anyway, regardless of who wins the fight, one thing is sure and that is this fight is surely fun to watch.

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Quote from: Distinctin on July 16, 2022, 06:52:14 AM

GGG might be old and weary but the man still has a steel-like chin and Canelo knows that he will still have some struggles in defeating GGG just like in their previous fights.

But if Canelo would still win in the judges' eyes, then it will remain a controversial fight as it might again end up a close fight. Both are capable of knocking each other but both have a strong body and steel chin, so a KO is unlikely to be witnessed in this fight.

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This is really hard for GGG if it ends up the decision. Canelo will be aggressive here since he thinks GGG is not that capable anymore to defend his punches. He will try to score more points and will attempt to knock down GGG to make it clear that he is the winner at all of their fights.

Canelo is also known to be judge friendly if you know what I mean. The venue is also the same venue where Canelo won against GGG.

I believed GGG will upset Canelo here. I like Canelo to lose here as he's now becoming arrogant because of his achievement. I'm even happy he loses against Bivol.

I believe that GGG is good Boxing team and they have some critical knowledge which is help them to go ahead to winning. on the other hand Canelo is also a Strong team They also have a keen interest in winning. In my opinion i think GGG can win or this tournament will Drow. Because both team is strong and Here both will try hard to win

Both are great fighters, it's just that only one will win in every fight, but the most interesting fight of these two is that it's a close fight and we call it a controversial fight since not everyone are convince that Canelo really won the last fight. So we have the trilogy, it will end up the speculation, whoever wins this fight deserved some respect.

Again though, we might have to give respect to Canelo if he fought GGG or give him the trilogy and not waited for it to happen in 2022 where GGG is already 40 years old. And the first two fights are really controversial, and then there are already speculation that if this fight goes into the judges score card again just like it's two past fight, maybe GGG will get the unfavorable treatment once more.

Canelo knows he could not easily beat GGG that's why the trilogy got delayed, and it's a blessing for us that he lose against Bivol as that opened a way to make this trilogy happen. So for the last time, hopefully GGG could bring Canelo down so no more bias judging after the fight.

Canelo losing to Bivol wasn't the factor that pave the way to make the trilogy happen because it was already discussed even if GGG and Canelo still have their own fight namely Murata and Bivol. Canelo signed a 2-way deal and that is GGG after Bivol.

We even thought that the trilogy would delay further because we assume that Canelo will seek a rematch with Bivol first before giving GGG the trilogy but fortunately, that didn't happen and now we will see the trilogy 3 months from now.

GGG might be old and weary but the man still has a steel-like chin and Canelo knows that he will still have some struggles in defeating GGG just like in their previous fights.

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Quote from: harizen on July 14, 2022, 06:48:15 PM

Yes, I can't apply that factor to GGG. That aging boxer and future HOF still has lots of gas left on his tank. Even Canelo is enjoying his prime days currently, I don't see him as a major big wall for GGG. Currently, I'm sure that both camps are preparing well for their trilogy. Time flies so fast and around 2 months is real quick. They are not wasting time fully enhancing their strategy and everything that they think is an advantage for their fight.

And since they have already met twice before, they might refer to those previous fights as thinking of a new strategy to win. Canelo's previously losing his match against Bivol might be the best reference that GGG can watch. There are lots of flaws there that Canelo although the question is, can GGG do the same?

Canelo will make sure not to repeat the same mistakes that he did against Bivol. But his confidence level as well as morale would be shaken, because Bivol dominated the entire match. The scorecard will not give such an impression, but out of the 12 rounds Canelo hardly managed to win 2-3. And all this happened despite Bivol being a distant underdog as per the betting odds. But then, GGG is no longer young and his tactics will be different. We have two more months to the fight and I am really losing my patience.

Maybe it's the first time that we will see Canelo might be somewhat be shaken because he is coming from a lost. But for sure as the round goes by, he will get his confidence back if he see GGG on the other corner.

And it will be interesting to see GGG, I mean we have been discussing about age of the boxer as we have seen boxers who have lost already like Nietes and Donaire. And GGG is in the same age with this fighters. So I'm not saying that the trend will continue, so I'm curious how he will do in this fight.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 13, 2022, 10:44:34 PM

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They don't have to admit nor need to confirm these because we can already say that the judges is quite favoring Canelo, and just like the Bivol-Canelo fight where the favorite, Canelo, was tried to help by the judges but Bivol really proved that he is dominating Canelo in each and every round. Can't blame Bivol because I think he also had some knowledge about this that's why he tried to make it so that the judges will have a hard time stretching the scores if it goes into a full 12 rounds, and that happened.

It is getting really depressing to see such bias from the judges. This is happening too frequently and those who pay $99 for the PPV purchase or a considerably higher amount to watch the fight in person will feel cheated. I can see a clear pattern here, of the jury favoring Canelo in every match. Actually this erodes the credibility of Canelo as well. In future, there will be questions over his record. Critics may accuse him of winning matches with help from the jury. That will be tragic, because Canelo is probably the best boxer in his weight division out there now.

And the sad thing about it is that kind of bias judgments are still around until now, even Mayweather Jr. had some experiences with it too that's why he managed to retire with a flawless record without a single draw in his career. He was accused and questioned but a win is a win no matter what, it will be really hard to adjust from that truth if it was already proclaimed.

In this fight, GGG probably knows about that well too and I know that he also knows that have to give some good punches, more than what Canelo could produce because I'm afraid, GGG won't be hailed if the scores will reach the judges. The easiest way to make the fight in his favor is to pin down Canelo as early as he can but that is much easier than done.

I just hope that the judges will be much fair this time because they will be stealing points from a man who is near his retirement, might be best to give some respect because GGG had been through so much all these years and the fact that he's still dancing in his 40s means something.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on July 15, 2022, 01:31:48 PM

I don't know, I think that before all this what is being generated is a certain pique, GGG wants to be invincible, and on the other hand Canelo too, but we can all realize that both boxers are about to level up, I think they need to have other fights of more level to see them again, I think that at this moment GGG vs. Canelo will bring many followers, fans and above all a lot of money, but I think things and the trend are going the other way, we have Bivol, there is Inoue, there is many fights with warrior men who are looking for fame everywhere and although the Canelo vs. GGG fight is always something very horny, the fans want more!

The fans and the money involve will give this fight a much higher hype, it's something that the fans will always to follow.

They wanted to see fights that will bring them the entertainment, a sort of good enjoyment even you pay for the price and that's

how they believe that these two fighters have when they met inside the ring. On the promoters side, converting a good deal of money from

this fight is what drives them to create more hypes.

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