[Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 (September 17) - page 33.

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Quote from: stadus on July 26, 2022, 03:46:27 PM

Agreed! Canelo is not that young anymore when he fought Mayweather and it wasn't his 1st time fighting a heavy name that time or 1st time fighting outside Mexico, people should stop patronizing Canelo because he's not really standing where he is now if he didn't got some help with the judges along with some connection he established in the industry.

Based on his last 7 fights with the exception of his loss against Bivol he wins by knockouts and unanimous decisions he deserves those wins and where he is he is right now, we must give credit to the guy he fights who is holding the title unfortunately he fell short on his quest in the heavyweight division

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Canelo was so frustrated on his first loss and that forced him to make a move on how to counter if he will encounter a boxer again who has the same style as Mayweather and the popular Philly Shell or known as shoulder roll.

Boxers are improving, in the case of Canelo first loss against Mayweather serves him well making him improve a lot, and after this second loss I'm sure his trainer Eddy Reynoso will train him to improve on his lapses, but I'm voting for Golovkin he has the momentum coming from a big win against Murata while Canelo from a loss, and that will have an impact on his motivation.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 26, 2022, 10:30:18 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on July 26, 2022, 07:03:39 AM

Is Bivol interested in having a rematch with Canelo? After their fight, Bivol told in the interview, that if they meet again, he will ask for a much, much more "interesting" offer. Google say, that Bivol got 2 millions and Canelo 15. I believe their second fight will happen, if their promoters will find a balance between lowering Canelo reward and increasing Bivols. But I think Bivol is more interested in obtaining new titles, than earning.

From what I heard, Bivol is yet to receive any money from his fight against Canelo. He was supposed to receive some $5 million (including his share of PPV purchases), but due to the sanctions against Russian sports people, the payment couldn't be processed. And Canelo Alvarez pocketed some $55 million from the fight (including $40 million from PPV sales), despite losing the match. Obviously Bivol doesn't want such a lop-sided distribution for the next match. And I can't blame him. No one would agree to such one-sided deals.

Oh I wasn't aware that Bivol hasn't received his prize money, that huge for him though, and it could be his biggest payday to date.

And I agree, Canelo has been talking about his rematch with Bivol already and hopefully Bivol could at least double what he got or more from the first fight since he has won the first one already. Doesn't make sense if he will still received the same amount of money.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 25, 2022, 11:17:06 PM

Quote from: harizen on July 23, 2022, 06:03:46 PM

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If there's the 4th meeting between these 2, GGG might be around 42-43 years old by that time.

OK.. so you are saying that in case Canelo loses this fight, he will wait for another 3 years to face Golovkin again? GGG is 40 years now. If there is a 4th fight, that should happen in 2023. By that time, Golovkin will be 41, and not 43. But it is entirely another story if Canelo avoids fighting him (as happened after the second fight). Anyway, Canelo has other commitments as well. He is planning to take on Bivol sometime soon. It may happen by end of this year, or by Q1 next year, if he scores a KO victory over Golovkin.

That was just a wild guess, bro. In the very first place, Canelo didn't even prioritize having a trilogy that's why long talks again might happen. Although that might be changed if GGG will win against him on their 3rd meetup.

If ever Canelo will lose against GGG, I'm sure Canelo will still follow his original roadmap and might take 2-3 fights before considering having the 4th match with GGG. If Canelo will average 1 fight per year, which is just a sample figure since usually, the average is about 2, 2-3 fights might end in 2-3 years and GGG will be around 42-43 years old. Organizing a fight, especially a big one is not that simple to arrange and we should consider that thing as one of the reasons for a long negotiation.

Anyways, this is just speculation. GGG even needs to win first for a possible 4th bout in the future against Canelo.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on July 23, 2022, 02:09:11 AM

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I probably will go for Golovkin he has not been dominated or badly hurt by any of his opponents, just recently Canelo was dominated at some point hurt by Bivol he was totally exposed, and once you are exposed your future opponents will look and try to exploit that weakness.

Golovkin has something to look for and work out, Bivol exposed Canelo's weakness, Canelo cannot look for Golovkin's weakness because after their last fight he just gets better, as you can see the way he intimidates Golovkin, he's trying to impose himself for the first time in his opponent.

Nonsense, before Canelo lost against Bivol, he already lost against Mayweather. This mean he already got exposed and GGG should won since he was fought 2 times after Canelo's lost, but why did GGG didn't won? Many people said Canelo is too young to fight Mayweather, but having a win streak for 43 fights and defended his belt for many times aren't that young, everyone should realize Mayweather won over Canelo's prime.

Mayweather won against Canelo since he landed more punch and evade many Canelo's punch.
Bivol won against Canelo since he landed more punch and he protect many Caleno's punch with his both hands.

GGG box style aren't similar like Mayweather and Bivol who have beaten Canelo.

Agreed! Canelo is not that young anymore when he fought Mayweather and it wasn't his 1st time fighting a heavy name that time or 1st time fighting outside Mexico, people should stop patronizing Canelo because he's not really standing where he is now if he didn't got some help with the judges along with some connection he established in the industry.

Canelo was so frustrated on his first loss and that forced him to make a move how to counter if he will encounter a boxer again who have the same style of Mayweather and the popular Philly Shell or known as shoulder roll.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 25, 2022, 11:17:06 PM

It may happen by end of this year, or by Q1 next year, if he scores a KO victory over Golovkin.

I think the timeframe is short if the next fight will be at the end of the year. If Canelo wins against GGG here in their trilogy, the possible date of his next fight will be on 1Q between February and March. That's not even against Dmitry Bivol and I'm sure of it. He's not fully prepared to move up for the third time. I'm sure he will fight 2 times next year before considering taking a rematch on Bivol.

And that's not even sure if Bivol will be interested in the rematch with him.

It's clear that he plans to only fight against a boxer that currently holds a title within his weight class and not just fight a hype fighter and popular name.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 26, 2022, 10:30:18 AM

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Is Bivol interested in having a rematch with Canelo? After their fight, Bivol told in the interview, that if they meet again, he will ask for a much, much more "interesting" offer. Google say, that Bivol got 2 millions and Canelo 15. I believe their second fight will happen, if their promoters will find a balance between lowering Canelo reward and increasing Bivols. But I think Bivol is more interested in obtaining new titles, than earning.

From what I heard, Bivol is yet to receive any money from his fight against Canelo. He was supposed to receive some $5 million (including his share of PPV purchases), but due to the sanctions against Russian sports people, the payment couldn't be processed. And Canelo Alvarez pocketed some $55 million from the fight (including $40 million from PPV sales), despite losing the match. Obviously Bivol doesn't want such a lop-sided distribution for the next match. And I can't blame him. No one would agree to such one-sided deals.

I think Bivol really deserves a better opponent. He has proven a lot in the ring and I think it's time for him to gain more titles. I agree, I don't think his main purpose in fighting focuses on money because I could feel that he's more eager to win more titles. Bivol deserves more than $5 million after their match, to be honest.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 26, 2022, 07:03:39 AM

Is Bivol interested in having a rematch with Canelo? After their fight, Bivol told in the interview, that if they meet again, he will ask for a much, much more "interesting" offer. Google say, that Bivol got 2 millions and Canelo 15. I believe their second fight will happen, if their promoters will find a balance between lowering Canelo reward and increasing Bivols. But I think Bivol is more interested in obtaining new titles, than earning.

From what I heard, Bivol is yet to receive any money from his fight against Canelo. He was supposed to receive some $5 million (including his share of PPV purchases), but due to the sanctions against Russian sports people, the payment couldn't be processed. And Canelo Alvarez pocketed some $55 million from the fight (including $40 million from PPV sales), despite losing the match. Obviously Bivol doesn't want such a lop-sided distribution for the next match. And I can't blame him. No one would agree to such one-sided deals.

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Specially if the fight is very close. Specially in Canelo and GGG rivalry. It will be funny if Bivol would talk the same as Canelo told about second fight against GGG - "I've already won, I have nothing to prove anymore". I see no interest Canelo vs Bivol 2. Their first fight was enough to tell who is better. But as to third fight against GGG, I dont know what Canelo should do next or who should he fight. Cleaning again whole middleweight division is boring, moving up - perhaps is a good idea, moving down - his opponent will be extra fast and pumped Canelo could have more troubles than in LH.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 26, 2022, 07:03:39 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 25, 2022, 11:17:06 PM

...Anyway, Canelo has other commitments as well. He is planning to take on Bivol sometime soon. It may happen by end of this year, or by Q1 next year, if he scores a KO victory over Golovkin.

Is Bivol interested in having a rematch with Canelo? After their fight, Bivol told in the interview, that if they meet again, he will ask for a much, much more "interesting" offer. Google say, that Bivol got 2 millions and Canelo 15. I believe their second fight will happen, if their promoters will find a balance between lowering Canelo reward and increasing Bivols. But I think Bivol is more interested in obtaining new titles, than earning.

I find it common for eastern European boxers to seek glory and legacy rather than money. Bivol preferred a unification war against Beterbiev to unify all the 4 belts. The same with Beterbiev, he also wanted to fight Bivol. But Bob Arum said there is no money for this unless DAZN allows ESPN (Top Rank's network) to televise it solely.

Canelo got a rematch clause with Bivol. Although Bivol already said that he will give Canelo the rematch but only at light-heavyweight and not at super-middleweight where Canelo is the undisputed champion. Bivol probably got $2 million as his first payment but it should be around $5 million once PPV buys are all collected. Canelo should earn around $40 to $50 million although I am not sure how Matchroom and DAZN can pay it when reported PPV buys were only 550,000.

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Quote from: yazher on July 26, 2022, 04:09:24 AM

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I'm actually still quite doubtful for a boxer who is 40 years old fighting but for GGG this might be one or the exception because indeed as you said he still has a good chin and body resistance in the ring and his brutal fight last April clearly proves that his age is not enough. limit the power of the blow.
This fight is a condition of prestige so I don't think it will be easy to make a decision by favoring one side just because of their age.

It seems like a close match for me considering where they came from their last fight and it's just some kind of common sense where you think they have the same gauge of stats since Canelo also came from a loss so his confidence to win might be questionable when he will face GGG which hasn't been lost since he loses to Canelo in their last fight. Now that they are finally given a chance to prove to the world who is stronger and better, we will gonna see a better version by both of these incredible boxers than in their last fight.

Exactly, I wouldn't think that it will be a one-sided fight unless one will get hurt and will eventually get KOd and it could be either of them. I like to see GGG still fighting like in the last two fights but I hope he will finally get a win here.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 25, 2022, 11:17:06 PM

OK.. so you are saying that in case Canelo loses this fight, he will wait for another 3 years to face Golovkin again? GGG is 40 years now. If there is a 4th fight, that should happen in 2023. By that time, Golovkin will be 41, and not 43. But it is entirely another story if Canelo avoids fighting him (as happened after the second fight). Anyway, Canelo has other commitments as well. He is planning to take on Bivol sometime soon. It may happen by end of this year, or by Q1 next year, if he scores a KO victory over Golovkin.

Is Bivol interested in having a rematch with Canelo? After their fight, Bivol told in the interview, that if they meet again, he will ask for a much, much more "interesting" offer. Google say, that Bivol got 2 millions and Canelo 15. I believe their second fight will happen, if their promoters will find a balance between lowering Canelo reward and increasing Bivols. But I think Bivol is more interested in obtaining new titles, than earning.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on July 26, 2022, 03:08:59 AM

I'm actually still quite doubtful for a boxer who is 40 years old fighting but for GGG this might be one or the exception because indeed as you said he still has a good chin and body resistance in the ring and his brutal fight last April clearly proves that his age is not enough. limit the power of the blow.
This fight is a condition of prestige so I don't think it will be easy to make a decision by favoring one side just because of their age.

It seems like a close match for me considering where they came from their last fight and it's just some kind of common sense where you think they have the same gauge of stats since Canelo also came from a loss so his confidence to win might be questionable when he will face GGG which hasn't been lost since he loses to Canelo in their last fight. Now that they are finally given a chance to prove to the world who is stronger and better, we will gonna see a better version by both of these incredible boxers than in their last fight.

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Quote from: Botnake on July 24, 2022, 04:23:02 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on July 23, 2022, 06:37:20 PM

Golovkin will really have to go out in full 12 rounds with his guns blazing. He should not give Canelo any breathing room and feel confident in this fight and hopefully he can really win this one.

The last two fights ended in 12 rounds, that's not a problem for GGG IMO.
Though he is older than Canelo but age is just a number I believe, GGG has a good chin, there's no way he will get KO in this fight, I think upset is more possible.

I'm actually still quite doubtful for a boxer who is 40 years old fighting but for GGG this might be one or the exception because indeed as you said he still has a good chin and body resistance in the ring and his brutal fight last April clearly proves that his age is not enough. limit the power of the blow.
This fight is a condition of prestige so I don't think it will be easy to make a decision by favoring one side just because of their age.

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Quote from: harizen on July 23, 2022, 06:03:46 PM

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If there's the 4th meeting between these 2, GGG might be around 42-43 years old by that time.

OK.. so you are saying that in case Canelo loses this fight, he will wait for another 3 years to face Golovkin again? GGG is 40 years now. If there is a 4th fight, that should happen in 2023. By that time, Golovkin will be 41, and not 43. But it is entirely another story if Canelo avoids fighting him (as happened after the second fight). Anyway, Canelo has other commitments as well. He is planning to take on Bivol sometime soon. It may happen by end of this year, or by Q1 next year, if he scores a KO victory over Golovkin.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on July 24, 2022, 04:40:35 AM

Canelo waited for many years before agreeing to a trilogy.

I'm not sure if it's about something to take advantage of GGG's age before agreeing to the trilogy but Canelo claimed several times already that a trilogy is not needed and necessary to do as he clearly won the first two fights. He is also chasing titles during that time for his goal of becoming the undisputed champion before moving up a weight class that is beyond his comfort weight.

Although a bit late that the trilogy is supposed to happen much early, the most important thing is, that it was officially organized and everything is now smooth and just waiting for the official date to come, September 17.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on July 24, 2022, 04:40:35 AM

So that is where the problem for GGG is, he has been robbed, then try to chase Canelo for years and now he has another chance again, but the age though. Canelo waited for many years before agreeing to a trilogy.

A good strategy is to wait for the opponent's retirement age before accepting the fight, nice play by Canelo.

If the trilogy happened right away after their rematch, Canelo might experience kissing the canvass because of GGG punch. Not expecting GGG will still be the same compared to their 1st match and rematch but it's expected that he will give Canelo's boxing career another difficult fight.

Not expecting a Knock-Out win from GGG but I want to hear the announcer saying GGG will be the winner at the end and the referees raising his hands leaving Canelo silent in his corner thinking about how he lost that fight.

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Quote from: Botnake on July 24, 2022, 04:23:02 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on July 23, 2022, 06:37:20 PM

Golovkin will really have to go out in full 12 rounds with his guns blazing. He should not give Canelo any breathing room and feel confident in this fight and hopefully he can really win this one.

The last two fights ended in 12 rounds, that's not a problem for GGG IMO.
Though he is older than Canelo but age is just a number I believe, GGG has a good chin, there's no way he will get KO in this fight, I think upset is more possible.

What do you mean that is not a problem for him? He lost a controversial second fight, and as what we have been discussing, it could go either way if not for the judges. And then in the 1st fight, I and the majority here thinks that GGG did enough to win.

So that is where the problem for GGG is, he has been robbed, then try to chase Canelo for years and now he has another chance again, but the age though. Canelo waited for many years before agreeing to a trilogy.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on July 23, 2022, 06:37:20 PM

Golovkin will really have to go out in full 12 rounds with his guns blazing. He should not give Canelo any breathing room and feel confident in this fight and hopefully he can really win this one.

The last two fights ended in 12 rounds, that's not a problem for GGG IMO.
Though he is older than Canelo but age is just a number I believe, GGG has a good chin, there's no way he will get KO in this fight, I think upset is more possible.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on July 23, 2022, 12:00:47 AM

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Who you've got on this fight?

I probably will go for Golovkin he has not been dominated or badly hurt by any of his opponents, just recently Canelo was dominated at some point hurt by Bivol he was totally exposed, and once you are exposed your future opponents will look and try to exploit that weakness.

I would agree that Canelo was exposed by Bivol. But not sure if those weaknesses can be exploited by others boxers on Canelo. It was really Bivol's speed and strength and height that carry him. While Canelo faces boxers like that in the past but was all a failure.

Quote from: fortunecrypto on July 23, 2022, 12:00:47 AM

Golovkin has something to look for and work out, Bivol exposed Canelo's weakness, Canelo cannot look for Golovkin's weakness because after their last fight he just gets better, as you can see the way he intimidates Golovkin, he's trying to impose himself for the first time in his opponent.

Golovkin will really have to go out in full 12 rounds with his guns blazing. He should not give Canelo any breathing room and feel confident in this fight and hopefully he can really win this one.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on July 23, 2022, 03:55:38 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 22, 2022, 02:57:40 PM

In the unlikely scenario of Golovkin winning the trilogy fight, we can't rule out a fourth fight between these two boxers.

I agree with this, if GGG wins then the trilogy will be tied with a slight edge to GGG due to his age and the fact that many fans think that at least one of the fights was stolen from him.

If GGG won then Canelo will want to fight him again to get the score against GGG in his favor again, and since GGG does not have too many fights left in him another fight with Canelo will be a good idea, as the amount of money he will receive will be way better than whatever any other boxer could offer him.

Regardless of the result and if the fourth meeting will happen between Canelo and GGG after the trilogy, that will take some time as there's already a plan for both about their next fight after the trilogy. I think that won't be changed.

Canelo surely does have a plan now for his next fight after GGG and that might be a rematch against Bivol or other boxers with a title.

GGG on the other hand was ordered by the WBA to fight Lara 120 days or 4 months after the trilogy.

If there's the 4th meeting between these 2, GGG might be around 42-43 years old by that time.

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