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In the unlikely scenario of Golovkin winning the trilogy fight, we can't rule out a fourth fight between these two boxers. 
I agree with this, if GGG wins then the trilogy will be tied with a slight edge to GGG due to his age and the fact that many fans think that at least one of the fights was stolen from him.

If GGG won then Canelo will want to fight him again to get the score against GGG in his favor again, and since GGG does not have too many fights left in him another fight with Canelo will be a good idea, as the amount of money he will receive will be way better than whatever any other boxer could offer him.
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It's no question that GGG won the first fight. The second fight could go either way. And hardcore boxing fans always remember that Canelo only fought 35 and 36-year-old versions of GGG. Those were not even prime GGG. If Canelo wins this trilogy, then he won against a 40-year-old GGG moving up in super-middleweight. It doesn't affect the first fight where GGG clearly won and that 50/50 second fight. Those punch stats are possibly not 100% accurate but it's close and it won't lie. GGG is always the better middleweight than Canelo. The great Joe Calzaghe won against an old version of Roy Jones at light-heavyweight. But that doesn't mean Joe is better than Roy at 175.

Couldn't put it any better than this. I was following unofficial scorecards from various media broadcasters before the final score was announced (for the first fight). I might have checked half a dozen, and Golovkin was well ahead in each of them. But when the official scorecard was out, it was a draw. And just because Adelaide Byrd thought that Canelo deserved to win. It was a big shame to the sport of boxing that such a biased jury decision was being made. But in the end, Canelo won as per the records. And the match was stolen from Golovkin.

Yeah, majority of boxing community and commenters and outlets have Golovkin winning by at least a point or two in their scorecard. And then after the fight was announced, there was a public outcry of the result and says that Golovkin was robbed by the judges and I think we all agree. And the same with the second fight result, very close fight and the score could go either way depending on who you are going to ask or who has watch the fight live.

Well, hopefully the debate will be over after this fight because GGG will try to win here and hopefully he will succeed. Until now, I can still see the support of the fans, especially here in bitcointalk because most of us here voted for GGG to win, with 68% of total voters for GGG, these people will be so happy if GGG wins.

Yes, I also voted in favor of GGG too but not because I really believe that he will give a statement this time and put a win on his side. Don't get me wrong because I know GGG can somehow make it too and give another upset to Canelo but that will be really hard for him to defeat the current Canelo who's at the peak of his prime while GGG is quite older this time.
I just want to see GGG win this time despite their differences because I have a feeling that whatever the result is, this will be the last and final fight of his career. Also, I don't really think that he will care to fight Lara with that given time.
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I probably will go for Golovkin he has not been dominated or badly hurt by any of his opponents, just recently Canelo was dominated at some point hurt by Bivol he was totally exposed, and once you are exposed your future opponents will look and try to exploit that weakness.

Golovkin has something to look for and work out, Bivol exposed Canelo's weakness, Canelo cannot look for Golovkin's weakness because after their last fight he just gets better, as you can see the way he intimidates Golovkin, he's trying to impose himself for the first time in his opponent.
Nonsense, before Canelo lost against Bivol, he already lost against Mayweather. This mean he already got exposed and GGG should won since he was fought 2 times after Canelo's lost, but why did GGG didn't won? Many people said Canelo is too young to fight Mayweather, but having a win streak for 43 fights and defended his belt for many times aren't that young, everyone should realize Mayweather won over Canelo's prime.

Mayweather won against Canelo since he landed more punch and evade many Canelo's punch.
Bivol won against Canelo since he landed more punch and he protect many Caleno's punch with his both hands.

GGG box style aren't similar like Mayweather and Bivol who have beaten Canelo.
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I probably will go for Golovkin he has not been dominated or badly hurt by any of his opponents, just recently Canelo was dominated at some point hurt by Bivol he was totally exposed, and once you are exposed your future opponents will look and try to exploit that weakness.

Golovkin has something to look for and work out, Bivol exposed Canelo's weakness, Canelo cannot look for Golovkin's weakness because after their last fight he just gets better, as you can see the way he intimidates Golovkin, he's trying to impose himself for the first time in his opponent.
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I will speculate that Lara will be elevated to the regular champion status by WBA. And if GGG is ready maybe next year then he can fight Lara but not right after his Canelo fight. He needs to take a break as well as you have said. If WBA is not keen on that, then Lara as champion will have his mandatory against the top fighters in the WBA ranking. And I think the IBF/IBO might be willing to give GGG more leeway as compare to WBA so he might retain that title after the fight.

Even if Golovkin wins against Canelo, I don't think that he should fight against Lara. From what kasabus posted, Golovkin will earn in the vicinity of $35 million from the trilogy fight against Canelo. A match against Lara would net him a tiny fraction of that amount. So I don't see any point in agreeing to a bout against Lara. Irrespective of whether he wins or loses against Canelo, Golovkin will be able to attract much better opponents. And a boxer who is very close to retirement doesn't care much about any of the belts.

Is that so? Well, if that's the case then I think GGG will just have to pick one belt that he would keep and just let the WBA strip him up because that fight against Lara will not amount for at least one-fourth compared to what he could get on this upcoming trilogy. Fact is that Gennady Golovkin will receive at least $43 Million (Salary and PPV included) total purse from this trilogy versus Canelo Alvarez.

Win or lose, GGG must rest after this fight because he didn't had enough time to rest himself and recover from that match against Murata because he had to train again against Canelo afterwards.

Yes, with such an amount of money, win or lose, he can plan his retirement and enjoy the money with his family.

He doesn't need to choose if which belt that he wanted to keep or if in anyhow he loses the fight, it's better to set his retirement
and be remembered as one of the tough fighter from this division.

Though we don't know what might be the plan, but for sure it will be more about the upcoming fight and nothing else for now.
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It's up to GGG now whether he really wants to take the risk with his current age to keep making some fights although it will be very difficult because it's rare at an old age that boxers can win. Or do you want to find something safe for yourself. I don't think the safe-seeking option is a bad thing although there will be some perceived cowardice but it's better than continuing to fight without certainty for win.

LOL.. see who is talking. It was Canelo who ran away from the trilogy fight, after the help he received from the judges during the first two matches. Golovkin wanted to fight him in 2019, but Canelo was afraid of him and delayed the fight for three years. Now I don't think that anyone would accuse Golovkin of cowardice. GGG has never refused to fight anyone, if the terms and conditions are unbiased. Now coming to Erislandy Lara, I don't think that he is a stronger fighter when compared to either Canelo Alvarez or Ryōta Murata.
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I bet nobody would say that GGG is coward if he would choose not to fight against Erislandy Lara after this upcoming trilogy, GGG has been through many fights in his career and earned himself a respect, I'm quite sure about that though. Honestly, 4 months preparation time for a 40 years old boxer? What is the WBA up to? They should at least put up a good amount and time for recovery because there is really a big chance that he will get more weary after the trilogy, knowing what Canelo could give.

Agree with you. There should be no problem for GGG taking another fight but they should give enough him time to fully prepare compared to a 4 months period after his fight with Canelo. He is against a fighter that is currently in its prime and the most dominant at its comfort weight that's why it's possible that GGG might receive serious damage from Canelo that will take several months of healing.

GGG always accepts challenges if it was mandated. But that's a different story if the preparation time is really short.

I hope the boxing council that holds his title will put a consideration about this.
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Is that so? Well, if that's the case then I think GGG will just have to pick one belt that he would keep and just let the WBA strip him up because that fight against Lara will not amount for at least one-fourth compared to what he could get on this upcoming trilogy. Fact is that Gennady Golovkin will receive at least $43 Million (Salary and PPV included) total purse from this trilogy versus Canelo Alvarez.

Win or lose, GGG must rest after this fight because he didn't had enough time to rest himself and recover from that match against Murata because he had to train again against Canelo afterwards.

Agreed. He is 40 years old and I don't think that he will participate in more than 2-3 fights after the trilogy fight against Canelo. And therefore he needs to pick his opponent carefully. I am not saying that Erislandy Lara doesn't have any quality. But in the end, it is money that matters. If Golovkin feels that this particular fight is not rewarding enough, then he will definitely skip it. And at this point, most probably he doesn't give any attention to the different belts. In the unlikely scenario of Golovkin winning the trilogy fight, we can't rule out a fourth fight between these two boxers. 
It's up to GGG now whether he really wants to take the risk with his current age to keep making some fights although it will be very difficult because it's rare at an old age that boxers can win. Or do you want to find something safe for yourself. I don't think the safe-seeking option is a bad thing although there will be some perceived cowardice but it's better than continuing to fight without certainty for win.

I bet nobody would say that GGG is coward if he would choose not to fight against Erislandy Lara after this upcoming trilogy, GGG has been through many fights in his career and earned himself a respect, I'm quite sure about that though. Honestly, 4 months preparation time for a 40 years old boxer? What is the WBA up to? They should at least put up a good amount and time for recovery because there is really a big chance that he will get more weary after the trilogy, knowing what Canelo could give.
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Is that so? Well, if that's the case then I think GGG will just have to pick one belt that he would keep and just let the WBA strip him up because that fight against Lara will not amount for at least one-fourth compared to what he could get on this upcoming trilogy. Fact is that Gennady Golovkin will receive at least $43 Million (Salary and PPV included) total purse from this trilogy versus Canelo Alvarez.

Win or lose, GGG must rest after this fight because he didn't had enough time to rest himself and recover from that match against Murata because he had to train again against Canelo afterwards.

Agreed. He is 40 years old and I don't think that he will participate in more than 2-3 fights after the trilogy fight against Canelo. And therefore he needs to pick his opponent carefully. I am not saying that Erislandy Lara doesn't have any quality. But in the end, it is money that matters. If Golovkin feels that this particular fight is not rewarding enough, then he will definitely skip it. And at this point, most probably he doesn't give any attention to the different belts. In the unlikely scenario of Golovkin winning the trilogy fight, we can't rule out a fourth fight between these two boxers. 
It's up to GGG now whether he really wants to take the risk with his current age to keep making some fights although it will be very difficult because it's rare at an old age that boxers can win. Or do you want to find something safe for yourself. I don't think the safe-seeking option is a bad thing although there will be some perceived cowardice but it's better than continuing to fight without certainty for win.
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Is that so? Well, if that's the case then I think GGG will just have to pick one belt that he would keep and just let the WBA strip him up because that fight against Lara will not amount for at least one-fourth compared to what he could get on this upcoming trilogy. Fact is that Gennady Golovkin will receive at least $43 Million (Salary and PPV included) total purse from this trilogy versus Canelo Alvarez.

Win or lose, GGG must rest after this fight because he didn't had enough time to rest himself and recover from that match against Murata because he had to train again against Canelo afterwards.

Agreed. He is 40 years old and I don't think that he will participate in more than 2-3 fights after the trilogy fight against Canelo. And therefore he needs to pick his opponent carefully. I am not saying that Erislandy Lara doesn't have any quality. But in the end, it is money that matters. If Golovkin feels that this particular fight is not rewarding enough, then he will definitely skip it. And at this point, most probably he doesn't give any attention to the different belts. In the unlikely scenario of Golovkin winning the trilogy fight, we can't rule out a fourth fight between these two boxers. 
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I will speculate that Lara will be elevated to the regular champion status by WBA. And if GGG is ready maybe next year then he can fight Lara but not right after his Canelo fight. He needs to take a break as well as you have said. If WBA is not keen on that, then Lara as champion will have his mandatory against the top fighters in the WBA ranking. And I think the IBF/IBO might be willing to give GGG more leeway as compare to WBA so he might retain that title after the fight.

Even if Golovkin wins against Canelo, I don't think that he should fight against Lara. From what kasabus posted, Golovkin will earn in the vicinity of $35 million from the trilogy fight against Canelo. A match against Lara would net him a tiny fraction of that amount. So I don't see any point in agreeing to a bout against Lara. Irrespective of whether he wins or loses against Canelo, Golovkin will be able to attract much better opponents. And a boxer who is very close to retirement doesn't care much about any of the belts.

Is that so? Well, if that's the case then I think GGG will just have to pick one belt that he would keep and just let the WBA strip him up because that fight against Lara will not amount for at least one-fourth compared to what he could get on this upcoming trilogy. Fact is that Gennady Golovkin will receive at least $43 Million (Salary and PPV included) total purse from this trilogy versus Canelo Alvarez.

Win or lose, GGG must rest after this fight because he didn't had enough time to rest himself and recover from that match against Murata because he had to train again against Canelo afterwards.
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It's no question that GGG won the first fight. The second fight could go either way. And hardcore boxing fans always remember that Canelo only fought 35 and 36-year-old versions of GGG. Those were not even prime GGG. If Canelo wins this trilogy, then he won against a 40-year-old GGG moving up in super-middleweight. It doesn't affect the first fight where GGG clearly won and that 50/50 second fight. Those punch stats are possibly not 100% accurate but it's close and it won't lie. GGG is always the better middleweight than Canelo. The great Joe Calzaghe won against an old version of Roy Jones at light-heavyweight. But that doesn't mean Joe is better than Roy at 175.

Couldn't put it any better than this. I was following unofficial scorecards from various media broadcasters before the final score was announced (for the first fight). I might have checked half a dozen, and Golovkin was well ahead in each of them. But when the official scorecard was out, it was a draw. And just because Adelaide Byrd thought that Canelo deserved to win. It was a big shame to the sport of boxing that such a biased jury decision was being made. But in the end, Canelo won as per the records. And the match was stolen from Golovkin.

Yeah, majority of boxing community and commenters and outlets have Golovkin winning by at least a point or two in their scorecard. And then after the fight was announced, there was a public outcry of the result and says that Golovkin was robbed by the judges and I think we all agree. And the same with the second fight result, very close fight and the score could go either way depending on who you are going to ask or who has watch the fight live.

Well, hopefully the debate will be over after this fight because GGG will try to win here and hopefully he will succeed. Until now, I can still see the support of the fans, especially here in bitcointalk because most of us here voted for GGG to win, with 68% of total voters for GGG, these people will be so happy if GGG wins.

It will only end if there's no more chance of a next fight, remember that this is a trilogy, if GGG will lose, there's no reason for him to fight again unless Canelo will give him another chance. The controversy will leave if GGG will win the fight as that controversy will hype the possible next fight.
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It's no question that GGG won the first fight. The second fight could go either way. And hardcore boxing fans always remember that Canelo only fought 35 and 36-year-old versions of GGG. Those were not even prime GGG. If Canelo wins this trilogy, then he won against a 40-year-old GGG moving up in super-middleweight. It doesn't affect the first fight where GGG clearly won and that 50/50 second fight. Those punch stats are possibly not 100% accurate but it's close and it won't lie. GGG is always the better middleweight than Canelo. The great Joe Calzaghe won against an old version of Roy Jones at light-heavyweight. But that doesn't mean Joe is better than Roy at 175.

Couldn't put it any better than this. I was following unofficial scorecards from various media broadcasters before the final score was announced (for the first fight). I might have checked half a dozen, and Golovkin was well ahead in each of them. But when the official scorecard was out, it was a draw. And just because Adelaide Byrd thought that Canelo deserved to win. It was a big shame to the sport of boxing that such a biased jury decision was being made. But in the end, Canelo won as per the records. And the match was stolen from Golovkin.

Yeah, majority of boxing community and commenters and outlets have Golovkin winning by at least a point or two in their scorecard. And then after the fight was announced, there was a public outcry of the result and says that Golovkin was robbed by the judges and I think we all agree. And the same with the second fight result, very close fight and the score could go either way depending on who you are going to ask or who has watch the fight live.

Well, hopefully the debate will be over after this fight because GGG will try to win here and hopefully he will succeed. Until now, I can still see the support of the fans, especially here in bitcointalk because most of us here voted for GGG to win, with 68% of total voters for GGG, these people will be so happy if GGG wins.
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It's no question that GGG won the first fight. The second fight could go either way. And hardcore boxing fans always remember that Canelo only fought 35 and 36-year-old versions of GGG. Those were not even prime GGG. If Canelo wins this trilogy, then he won against a 40-year-old GGG moving up in super-middleweight. It doesn't affect the first fight where GGG clearly won and that 50/50 second fight. Those punch stats are possibly not 100% accurate but it's close and it won't lie. GGG is always the better middleweight than Canelo. The great Joe Calzaghe won against an old version of Roy Jones at light-heavyweight. But that doesn't mean Joe is better than Roy at 175.

Couldn't put it any better than this. I was following unofficial scorecards from various media broadcasters before the final score was announced (for the first fight). I might have checked half a dozen, and Golovkin was well ahead in each of them. But when the official scorecard was out, it was a draw. And just because Adelaide Byrd thought that Canelo deserved to win. It was a big shame to the sport of boxing that such a biased jury decision was being made. But in the end, Canelo won as per the records. And the match was stolen from Golovkin.

Yeah, majority of boxing community and commenters and outlets have Golovkin winning by at least a point or two in their scorecard. And then after the fight was announced, there was a public outcry of the result and says that Golovkin was robbed by the judges and I think we all agree. And the same with the second fight result, very close fight and the score could go either way depending on who you are going to ask or who has watch the fight live.
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I will speculate that Lara will be elevated to the regular champion status by WBA. And if GGG is ready maybe next year then he can fight Lara but not right after his Canelo fight. He needs to take a break as well as you have said. If WBA is not keen on that, then Lara as champion will have his mandatory against the top fighters in the WBA ranking. And I think the IBF/IBO might be willing to give GGG more leeway as compare to WBA so he might retain that title after the fight.

Even if Golovkin wins against Canelo, I don't think that he should fight against Lara. From what kasabus posted, Golovkin will earn in the vicinity of $35 million from the trilogy fight against Canelo. A match against Lara would net him a tiny fraction of that amount. So I don't see any point in agreeing to a bout against Lara. Irrespective of whether he wins or loses against Canelo, Golovkin will be able to attract much better opponents. And a boxer who is very close to retirement doesn't care much about any of the belts.

If he will win, the call for another rematch might take place and that will bring them more money.

I see your point, the call for Lara is not that important and with his age he might rather to pick fight/s that will bring him
more and lesser with interest with another belt.

Though we don't know what is inside his mind right after the fight, but at this moment, for sure he's more on winning
the fight against Alvarez.

That would definitely what would happen as both fighters have nothing to prove anymore, they already won championships but the opportunity to earn a decent income from a fight does not come all the time, fans would be more eager to watch the next fight if GGG will win this fight.
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It's no question that GGG won the first fight. The second fight could go either way. And hardcore boxing fans always remember that Canelo only fought 35 and 36-year-old versions of GGG. Those were not even prime GGG. If Canelo wins this trilogy, then he won against a 40-year-old GGG moving up in super-middleweight. It doesn't affect the first fight where GGG clearly won and that 50/50 second fight. Those punch stats are possibly not 100% accurate but it's close and it won't lie. GGG is always the better middleweight than Canelo. The great Joe Calzaghe won against an old version of Roy Jones at light-heavyweight. But that doesn't mean Joe is better than Roy at 175.

Couldn't put it any better than this. I was following unofficial scorecards from various media broadcasters before the final score was announced (for the first fight). I might have checked half a dozen, and Golovkin was well ahead in each of them. But when the official scorecard was out, it was a draw. And just because Adelaide Byrd thought that Canelo deserved to win. It was a big shame to the sport of boxing that such a biased jury decision was being made. But in the end, Canelo won as per the records. And the match was stolen from Golovkin.
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That is the problem of the 4 belt era that the industry has now because the respective have so many so-called champions that even an avid fan of boxing will still have a hard time sinking all this information and follow all the boxers who hold the respective belts in each division. In GGG's case, he won't budge to heed the WBA's order even if the said organization/association is putting pressure on GGG to fight his mandatory challenger because GGG is not that young anymore to do more than 2 fights per year and he's just given an approx. 4 months to fight this challenger after this trilogy.

The 4-month timeframe is too short and GGG is now catching his age.

Regardless of the result here in the trilogy, GGG can't really make it to the point to become in 100% shape after 4 months after the trilogy to fight his mandatory challenger. Canelo might give him strong damage that needs months to be fully healed.

But as we are just speculating here, only GGG knows what to do in that situation and all we need is to wait.

Going back to his fight here against Canelo, the odds are really tempting for him. I'm sure he won't retire right away if he loses to Canelo here but will also put some money to him as maybe this will be his last fight.

Frankly, even Canelo Alvarez will have a hard time adjusting with that short time frame after having 2 consecutive fights this year with just little time to rest in-between. What more about GGG, the man will be much weary for sure this fight and that leaves him no choice but to rest for 1-2 months to recover as Canelo will really give his all after that lost he had against Bivol recently.

Yes, you're right. Only GGG can answer that but I can say that our speculation here is somehow near from what could happen in the future. The only possible way that GGG to have a fight with Lara with a 4 month preparation is to finish his fight against Canelo unscathed, which is quite impossible.
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This trilogy was all GGG cared about because he's been itching to seek revenge and to settle the score, nonetheless, a trilogy will be uninterested to see if Canelo had dominated GGG the entire match but that wasn't the case because Canelo was clearly struggling to pin GGG and in fact they almost a draw in the 2nd fight too.

Agree, those two fights were controversial and neither fighter was dominated so that justifies the trilogy but IMO this should happen months after the rematch as father time is not on GGG's side but nonetheless this will happen this year so let's just hope that it is worth the wait and worth the money we want to bet on this fight.
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Not sure if this will add a pressure on Golovkin shoulder as he is being force to defend his WBA belt against Lara regardless of the outcome of the fight.

So after the fight with Canelo, he will be given 5 days which belt he want to keep. And if he wanted to go down to 160 lbs, then him and Lara are being ordered by the WBA to have one unified champion. Lara is the "regular WBA" champion.

I think it will not give pressure on him for now since that issue can be thought after the trilogy.

GGG is more focused on his upcoming fight against Canelo. He can think of that once he finished settling things with Canelo.

5 days is enough to decide and respond to WBO but 4 months of preparation to have another after fighting Canelo is not.

He and his entire camp are preparing for this trilogy for so long it won't bother him to think of anything after the fight. He's more on

beating Canelo and there's nothing on his mind right now, the order can be decided after the fight he just need to win first and think

of anything after. We will hear more about his preparation and his desire to empress his fans knowing that this fight is really something

special to his avid fans.

I can really imagine how GGG and his camp reacted when they knew that a trilogy will happen this year, might be a bit late since they proposed it to Canelo's camp but the latter remained uninterested of the offer. Fortunately, GGG was granted earlier this year because Canelo had to fight with Bivol and GGG needs to sign a trilogy deal so that he can have a fight at LHW champ that turns out a lose in his side later on.

This trilogy was all GGG cared about because he's been itching to seek revenge and to settle the score, nonetheless, a trilogy will be uninterested to see if Canelo had dominated GGG the entire match but that wasn't the case because Canelo was clearly struggling to pin GGG and in fact they almost a draw in the 2nd fight too.
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It's no question that GGG won the first fight. The second fight could go either way. And hardcore boxing fans always remember that Canelo only fought 35 and 36-year-old versions of GGG. Those were not even prime GGG. If Canelo wins this trilogy, then he won against a 40-year-old GGG moving up in super-middleweight. It doesn't affect the first fight where GGG clearly won and that 50/50 second fight. Those punch stats are possibly not 100% accurate but it's close and it won't lie. GGG is always the better middleweight than Canelo. The great Joe Calzaghe won against an old version of Roy Jones at light-heavyweight. But that doesn't mean Joe is better than Roy at 175.

Yes so all the narrative will go against Canelo here specially if he win, beating 40 year old GGG and then at his favorite weight of super middleweight. I 100% agree that GGG should be given the nod on the first fight, it was really close but he did enough to at least win that fight. The second is very close and could go either way. But let's hope that in the 3rd fight, it will be GGG's greatest win in his career if he somewhat upset Canelo and dealt him his second success lost.

There's no other greatest win in his career than winning the 3rd fight, because winning this fight will convince people that he really won the last two fights and he deserves to end this rivalry with a win. If you guys believe that GGG will win, take the opportunity to bet now as the odds are very attractive.
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