[Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 (September 17) - page 35.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 21, 2022, 08:38:20 AM

It's no question that GGG won the first fight. The second fight could go either way. And hardcore boxing fans always remember that Canelo only fought 35 and 36-year-old versions of GGG. Those were not even prime GGG. If Canelo wins this trilogy, then he won against a 40-year-old GGG moving up in super-middleweight. It doesn't affect the first fight where GGG clearly won and that 50/50 second fight. Those punch stats are possibly not 100% accurate but it's close and it won't lie. GGG is always the better middleweight than Canelo. The great Joe Calzaghe won against an old version of Roy Jones at light-heavyweight. But that doesn't mean Joe is better than Roy at 175.

Yes so all the narrative will go against Canelo here specially if he win, beating 40 year old GGG and then at his favorite weight of super middleweight. I 100% agree that GGG should be given the nod on the first fight, it was really close but he did enough to at least win that fight. The second is very close and could go either way. But let's hope that in the 3rd fight, it will be GGG's greatest win in his career if he somewhat upset Canelo and dealt him his second success lost.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 21, 2022, 08:38:20 AM

It's no question that GGG won the first fight. The second fight could go either way. And hardcore boxing fans always remember that Canelo only fought 35 and 36-year-old versions of GGG. Those were not even prime GGG. If Canelo wins this trilogy, then he won against a 40-year-old GGG moving up in super-middleweight. It doesn't affect the first fight where GGG clearly won and that 50/50 second fight. Those punch stats are possibly not 100% accurate but it's close and it won't lie. GGG is always the better middleweight than Canelo. The great Joe Calzaghe won against an old version of Roy Jones at light-heavyweight. But that doesn't mean Joe is better than Roy at 175.

The final fight and I'm happy seeing the poll that many of the posters here believe that GGG will win the fight. Well, I hope the judges this time will be fair, and give the win to the real winner, besides, Canelo has already lost in his previous fight, so he is not the hottest boxer now. If GGG loses the fight, I would not think he lose because he is old, I just don't want to make that believe on that excuses, the fact that he agree to fight Canelo, that means he is capable of winning even at his age now.

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It's no question that GGG won the first fight. The second fight could go either way. And hardcore boxing fans always remember that Canelo only fought 35 and 36-year-old versions of GGG. Those were not even prime GGG. If Canelo wins this trilogy, then he won against a 40-year-old GGG moving up in super-middleweight. It doesn't affect the first fight where GGG clearly won and that 50/50 second fight. Those punch stats are possibly not 100% accurate but it's close and it won't lie. GGG is always the better middleweight than Canelo. The great Joe Calzaghe won against an old version of Roy Jones at light-heavyweight. But that doesn't mean Joe is better than Roy at 175.

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Quote from: Natalim on July 21, 2022, 07:51:06 AM

Anything can happen, but if Canelo will still wins the fight, we cannot expect another fight between the two as that will put at end of the debate on who is the better fighter. GGG has to beat Canelo here if he still wants to have another fight and another big payday.

Well.. let's see. If Canelo wins by KO, then it will end all the debate about the fairness of the first two fights. But if the match is a close one, and Canelo wins on points, then I am afraid that the controversy will just refuse to die down. There will be arguments in favor of both the camps and the fans from the losing side will not accept the result. But Canelo will always be on the defensive and fans of GGG will continue to accuse him of deliberately delaying the 3d fight. The third fight was originally scheduled for 2019, but Canelo delayed it by three years.

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Quote from: Pamadar on July 20, 2022, 11:05:44 PM

If he will win, the call for another rematch might take place and that will bring them more money.

I see your point, the call for Lara is not that important and with his age he might rather to pick fight/s that will bring him
more and lesser with interest with another belt.

Though we don't know what is inside his mind right after the fight, but at this moment, for sure he's more on winning
the fight against Alvarez.

I am not sure whether there will be a quadrilogy/tetralogy fight between Golovkin and Canelo sometime in the future, irrespective of who wins on September. Any such fight will take another year or two at least, and by that time Golovkin might be retired. I don't see him taking part in these sort of high profile fights after 40 years (his current age). There is a very good chance of Golovkin announcing his retirement sometime this year, or by next year. A KO defeat against Canelo would probably accelerate that decision.

Anything can happen, but if Canelo will still wins the fight, we cannot expect another fight between the two as that will put at end of the debate on who is the better fighter. GGG has to beat Canelo here if he still wants to have another fight and another big payday.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 21, 2022, 06:56:18 AM

Quote from: Pamadar on July 20, 2022, 11:05:44 PM

If he will win, the call for another rematch might take place and that will bring them more money.

I see your point, the call for Lara is not that important and with his age he might rather to pick fight/s that will bring him
more and lesser with interest with another belt.

Though we don't know what is inside his mind right after the fight, but at this moment, for sure he's more on winning
the fight against Alvarez.

I am not sure whether there will be a quadrilogy/tetralogy fight between Golovkin and Canelo sometime in the future, irrespective of who wins on September. Any such fight will take another year or two at least, and by that time Golovkin might be retired. I don't see him taking part in these sort of high profile fights after 40 years (his current age). There is a very good chance of Golovkin announcing his retirement sometime this year, or by next year. A KO defeat against Canelo would probably accelerate that decision.

And from what I read both of them agreed that this is going to be the final fight between the two. Specially for GGG that as you have said will be above 40 years old if they decided to a 4th fight so it will not be good for Canelo if ever he wins because his critics will said that he beat a wash up and over the hill version of GGG. So this is the final fight and whoever wins will close the book between this two great boxers.

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Quote from: Pamadar on July 20, 2022, 11:05:44 PM

If he will win, the call for another rematch might take place and that will bring them more money.

I see your point, the call for Lara is not that important and with his age he might rather to pick fight/s that will bring him
more and lesser with interest with another belt.

Though we don't know what is inside his mind right after the fight, but at this moment, for sure he's more on winning
the fight against Alvarez.

I am not sure whether there will be a quadrilogy/tetralogy fight between Golovkin and Canelo sometime in the future, irrespective of who wins on September. Any such fight will take another year or two at least, and by that time Golovkin might be retired. I don't see him taking part in these sort of high profile fights after 40 years (his current age). There is a very good chance of Golovkin announcing his retirement sometime this year, or by next year. A KO defeat against Canelo would probably accelerate that decision.

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Not sure if this will add a pressure on Golovkin shoulder as he is being force to defend his WBA belt against Lara regardless of the outcome of the fight.

So after the fight with Canelo, he will be given 5 days which belt he want to keep. And if he wanted to go down to 160 lbs, then him and Lara are being ordered by the WBA to have one unified champion. Lara is the "regular WBA" champion.

I think it will not give pressure on him for now since that issue can be thought after the trilogy.

GGG is more focused on his upcoming fight against Canelo. He can think of that once he finished settling things with Canelo.

5 days is enough to decide and respond to WBO but 4 months of preparation to have another after fighting Canelo is not.

There's indeed no pressure because after the trilogy, he will be given an exact 5 days to think which belt he would want to keep after the trilogy and I definitely think it's quite safe to assume that he's already weighing and considering now about what belt he should keep even if he's now training for this much awaited trilogy.

But about that mandatory fight that WBA gave, GGG cannot really make the required time frame because even a prime boxer will have a hard time considering it because if GGG will accept it, he will have to fight Lara first thing next year in January and leaving him no rests in-between. You know, by the end of this year, he's already that weary considering his age now after having 2 fights.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 20, 2022, 09:56:32 PM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 20, 2022, 06:48:30 AM

I will speculate that Lara will be elevated to the regular champion status by WBA. And if GGG is ready maybe next year then he can fight Lara but not right after his Canelo fight. He needs to take a break as well as you have said. If WBA is not keen on that, then Lara as champion will have his mandatory against the top fighters in the WBA ranking. And I think the IBF/IBO might be willing to give GGG more leeway as compare to WBA so he might retain that title after the fight.

Even if Golovkin wins against Canelo, I don't think that he should fight against Lara. From what kasabus posted, Golovkin will earn in the vicinity of $35 million from the trilogy fight against Canelo. A match against Lara would net him a tiny fraction of that amount. So I don't see any point in agreeing to a bout against Lara. Irrespective of whether he wins or loses against Canelo, Golovkin will be able to attract much better opponents. And a boxer who is very close to retirement doesn't care much about any of the belts.

If he will win, the call for another rematch might take place and that will bring them more money.

I see your point, the call for Lara is not that important and with his age he might rather to pick fight/s that will bring him
more and lesser with interest with another belt.

Though we don't know what is inside his mind right after the fight, but at this moment, for sure he's more on winning
the fight against Alvarez.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 20, 2022, 06:48:30 AM

I will speculate that Lara will be elevated to the regular champion status by WBA. And if GGG is ready maybe next year then he can fight Lara but not right after his Canelo fight. He needs to take a break as well as you have said. If WBA is not keen on that, then Lara as champion will have his mandatory against the top fighters in the WBA ranking. And I think the IBF/IBO might be willing to give GGG more leeway as compare to WBA so he might retain that title after the fight.

Even if Golovkin wins against Canelo, I don't think that he should fight against Lara. From what kasabus posted, Golovkin will earn in the vicinity of $35 million from the trilogy fight against Canelo. A match against Lara would net him a tiny fraction of that amount. So I don't see any point in agreeing to a bout against Lara. Irrespective of whether he wins or loses against Canelo, Golovkin will be able to attract much better opponents. And a boxer who is very close to retirement doesn't care much about any of the belts.

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Quote from: Dave1 on July 20, 2022, 08:16:21 PM

What do you think though about GGG's power? can he bring this to 168 lbs?

He was asked about this question and like he said he didn't know as he was not in this weight in his career. But he didn't he doesn't think that there will be a problem. He knows that this is Canelo's comfortable weight but for sure he has learned a lot from his 2 fights with him that he is not bothered regardless if the fight is 160 or 168 lbs.

That is the big question, although I don't think he will have a hard time making the weight at 168 lbs. And we all know that he is at 40 years old so probably he his body will have to adapt and maybe gain weight very fast. Although he can do to the gym and bulk out that 8 lbs but I don't think that will be their strategy as with more muscles, he will be a big slow. As far as the power goes, I'm still at the fence as we really haven't seen him heavy as this in years.

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Not sure if this will add a pressure on Golovkin shoulder as he is being force to defend his WBA belt against Lara regardless of the outcome of the fight.

So after the fight with Canelo, he will be given 5 days which belt he want to keep. And if he wanted to go down to 160 lbs, then him and Lara are being ordered by the WBA to have one unified champion. Lara is the "regular WBA" champion.

I think it will not give pressure on him for now since that issue can be thought after the trilogy.

GGG is more focused on his upcoming fight against Canelo. He can think of that once he finished settling things with Canelo.

5 days is enough to decide and respond to WBO but 4 months of preparation to have another after fighting Canelo is not.

He and his entire camp are preparing for this trilogy for so long it won't bother him to think of anything after the fight. He's more on

beating Canelo and there's nothing on his mind right now, the order can be decided after the fight he just need to win first and think

of anything after. We will hear more about his preparation and his desire to empress his fans knowing that this fight is really something

special to his avid fans.

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Quote from: Dave1 on July 20, 2022, 08:16:21 PM

What do you think though about GGG's power? can he bring this to 168 lbs?

He was asked about this question and like he said he didn't know as he was not in this weight in his career. But he didn't he doesn't think that there will be a problem. He knows that this is Canelo's comfortable weight but for sure he has learned a lot from his 2 fights with him that he is not bothered regardless if the fight is 160 or 168 lbs.

There should be a bit of struggle as what we are talking about here is GGG in his post-prime period and he is now even considered as close to hanging his gloves.

If only we talked about his prime here, then no question about his power fighting in a 168 lbs catch weight. Fighting against a prime Canelo, and in his comfort-weight zone is really a big advantage for him and surely he will do anything to pulverize GGG on their supposed final matchup as he knows GGG is not the same as before during their 2 previous meetups.

But contrary to that, I hope GGG can find a way to shutdown Canelo at any point if there's a chance. I like GGG to win here and upset Canelo for the latter to learn something. I don't like Canelo putting bad words on GGG at their last media conference about the trilogy. His humble behavior was now changed and I hope GGG will put an end to his arrogance.

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What do you think though about GGG's power? can he bring this to 168 lbs?

He was asked about this question and like he said he didn't know as he was not in this weight in his career. But he didn't he doesn't think that there will be a problem. He knows that this is Canelo's comfortable weight but for sure he has learned a lot from his 2 fights with him that he is not bothered regardless if the fight is 160 or 168 lbs.

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Quote from: TravelMug on July 20, 2022, 02:13:30 AM

Not sure if this will add a pressure on Golovkin shoulder as he is being force to defend his WBA belt against Lara regardless of the outcome of the fight.

So after the fight with Canelo, he will be given 5 days which belt he want to keep. And if he wanted to go down to 160 lbs, then him and Lara are being ordered by the WBA to have one unified champion. Lara is the "regular WBA" champion.

I think it will not give pressure on him for now since that issue can be thought after the trilogy.

GGG is more focused on his upcoming fight against Canelo. He can think of that once he finished settling things with Canelo.

5 days is enough to decide and respond to WBO but 4 months of preparation to have another after fighting Canelo is not.

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Quote from: stadus on July 20, 2022, 04:51:24 PM

That is the problem of the 4 belt era that the industry has now because the respective have so many so-called champions that even an avid fan of boxing will still have a hard time sinking all this information and follow all the boxers who hold the respective belts in each division. In GGG's case, he won't budge to heed the WBA's order even if the said organization/association is putting pressure on GGG to fight his mandatory challenger because GGG is not that young anymore to do more than 2 fights per year and he's just given an approx. 4 months to fight this challenger after this trilogy.

The 4-month timeframe is too short and GGG is now catching his age.

Regardless of the result here in the trilogy, GGG can't really make it to the point to become in 100% shape after 4 months after the trilogy to fight his mandatory challenger. Canelo might give him strong damage that needs months to be fully healed.

But as we are just speculating here, only GGG knows what to do in that situation and all we need is to wait.

Going back to his fight here against Canelo, the odds are really tempting for him. I'm sure he won't retire right away if he loses to Canelo here but will also put some money to him as maybe this will be his last fight.

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Not sure if this will add a pressure on Golovkin shoulder as he is being force to defend his WBA belt against Lara regardless of the outcome of the fight.

So after the fight with Canelo, he will be given 5 days which belt he want to keep. And if he wanted to go down to 160 lbs, then him and Lara are being ordered by the WBA to have one unified champion. Lara is the "regular WBA" champion.

Pressure is always there because everyone wants to win, but this fight could give GGG more money than the fight defending his belt, so I think he knows how to handle this. Let's wait for the outcome of GGG and Canelo first, then we would know what would be GGG's next action.

True, but that is the problem with this ABC belts now, they have a lot of champions, regular, interim, super champion, champion emeritus so it hardly matter for now.

So win or lose, I doubt that GGG will be force somewhat to fight his mandatory or whatever they call it to have one champion. The focus for him right now is Canelo and that's what he is going to concentrate whatever WBA orders him, it doesn't matter for now.

WBA ordering GGG to fight his mandatory challenger means that his bout with Canelo this September is not sanctioned by them so before GGG loses to Canelo they are trying to make money out of him (through sanctioning fees) if ever GGG heeded to their call but I doubt Team GGG will do that as his chance for the trilogy is one in a million and besides he is running out of time now.

That is the problem of the 4 belt era that the industry has now because the respective have so many so-called champions that even an avid fan of boxing will still have a hard time sinking all this information and follow all the boxers who hold the respective belts in each division. In GGG's case, he won't budge to heed the WBA's order even if the said organization/association is putting pressure on GGG to fight his mandatory challenger because GGG is not that young anymore to do more than 2 fights per year and he's just given an approx. 4 months to fight this challenger after this trilogy.

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Nah, he has 3 belts right now, he can just give up or being stripped of the WBA for all he care. And I agree that his boxing bodies has so many belts, they they will have to force their champion. They allow GGG to go up to 168 lbs without stripping him. But they should know that mandating him to fight Lara just right after his fight with Canelo is not good for the boxers. So for sure, GGG would rather be strip of his WBA belt that force to fight Lara in just 3 months after his fight with Canelo.

Agreed. At this age, I don't think that Golovkin cares about the WBA title. In case he loses the fight against Canelo, then he will have 4 months to move from 168 pounds to 160. I don't think that it is possible without having a negative impact on the body and therefore in all probability Golovkin will forfeit the WBA title. In that case will Erislandy Lara be declared as the WBA champion without a fight? Or do he need to fight against the player who is ranked next? Anyway Golovkin will continue to be the IBF/IBO middleweight champion.

That is why I'm really quite sure that this will be GGG's last fight in his career, even if he will have a win this time on their trilogy. This is the most waited fight for him and he really doesn't care about the money and title anymore because he just wanted a last chance to try and settle the score against Canelo Alvarez.

GGG is not that pressured that he ought to fight Lara for the WBA belt, he already knew that he cannot make it in 4 months because he needed some rest too after having 2 successive fights this year against Murata and Canelo, respectively. If GGG cannot make it, I think there will be another boxer who will have a fight against Lara for the WBA title just like what happened to Casimero to his WBO title recently.

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Quote from: Pamadar on July 20, 2022, 06:56:13 AM

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So win or lose, I doubt that GGG will be force somewhat to fight his mandatory or whatever they call it to have one champion. The focus for him right now is Canelo and that's what he is going to concentrate whatever WBA orders him, it doesn't matter for now.

It's a rivalry that he is really eager to win. There's nothing else that is important for him aside from taking down

Canelo and prove that he really deserves the win, a personal matter he is not after to whoever
the organization is requiring him.

It's a must fight for GGG and since both camps are ready now and they are really hyping these upcoming trilogy.

This is really personal for GGG and he's been waiting for this fight to happen for years because Canelo is declining every talk and hype about the trilogy. Fortunately, Canelo bumped into a 2-way deal that he could not resist because he won't have that Bivol fight he wanted if he won't sign the trilogy fight.

After this fight and hopefully a win in his side, I don't think that GGG is still interested to fight anyone in the industry anymore even if it's a mandatory fight. He's not up to the belt nor the money it can bring because as I said, this is personal to him.

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Fans would want to see the fight ending in a KO rather than the decision so once and for all controversy will be over. Both GGG and Canelo are great fighters and they have their own fan-based, so we cannot really prevent from people thinking that the decision was not fair because as a fan we are sometimes biased.

Yes a KO decisive match would be great at this match.

True, I wanted to end this fight in a knock-out as well.

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But for me, regardless of the winning method, the end result should be entertaining as long as the result is fair.

I'm fine with the decision result as long as all throughout the match, we will see lots of exchange blows between them.

However, since both of this boxers seems to be not giving any advantage against each other, there could be no knock out. But for sure this will be an entertaining fight, after all this is a trilogy already. We've seen the last two and indeed the fans enjoyed it although there is controversies. So this could be again going to the score card of the judges.

based from the poll here, many are rooting for GGG to win this fight. and for the odds, it is very tempting to bet on GGG as it is about 4.2x as compared to Canelo, which is only 1.22x, stake odds here.

this may be the last hurrah for GGG, so people are on his side this time. this will be a very interesting fight indeed! wonder what will be the next move if GGG will win on this one. will Canelo ask for another fight?

Wow! Tempting odds indeed, I will gladly throw some spare funds for GGG as I cannot let this slide because this year has been full of upset. We don't know this might be one of those upsets that could happen this year because there's always a chance that it can happen.

Yes, this might be GGG's last fight before he consider retirement because he is already 40 years old and I reckon that he will really retire after this match, win or lose. And if Canelo will ask another fight, I don't know if GGG will be still capable because he's won't be that young anymore.

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