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Quote from: Kemarit on October 01, 2022, 07:15:08 AM

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According to the article, Terence Crawford wants more transparency on the event's expenses. I am shaking my head, why?

Why so demanding? I think fighters just have to fight and get paid according to the agreed amount in the contract. He is more interested on the job of the promoter, they are the ones who are taking care of that matter, they are fighters, they should focus on training.

I guess fighters now are more vocal than it was 10-20 years wherein they see this a job, with no security tenure. They just want to fight the best and see how "macho" they are compare to the other boxers in their division. That's why we have so many great fights in the past.

Now, boxers want more transparency, they have their own legal team to scrutinized every contract and may add some or contest if they don't want that to be included in the contract.

Compared to the past, there are only two titles so boxers in the past are not afraid to fight the best in their division, that's the only way to win the crown, but now we have five world titles and every champion on their respective divisions are afraid to lose their respective title through unification, and there are so many promotions now and they want to do their promotions in the house which means fight fighters that have a contract in their promotion, that is why the boxing community is deprived of the best boxer in one division

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 01, 2022, 07:15:08 AM

Quote from: Sanitough on October 01, 2022, 02:15:46 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on October 01, 2022, 12:42:29 AM

According to the article, Terence Crawford wants more transparency on the event's expenses. I am shaking my head, why?

Why so demanding? I think fighters just have to fight and get paid according to the agreed amount in the contract. He is more interested on the job of the promoter, they are the ones who are taking care of that matter, they are fighters, they should focus on training.

I guess fighters now are more vocal than it was 10-20 years wherein they see this a job, with no security tenure. They just want to fight the best and see how "macho" they are compare to the other boxers in their division. That's why we have so many great fights in the past.

Now, boxers want more transparency, they have their own legal team to scrutinized every contract and may add some or contest if they don't want that to be included in the contract.

Yeah, they are getting smarter, they want to maximize their income, and some boxers who see that they will make more money if they will be on their own will just leave their promoter and will just promote themselves. I guess that's what is happening with Crawford, he has no promoter now if I'm not mistaken.

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Quote from: Sanitough on October 01, 2022, 02:15:46 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on October 01, 2022, 12:42:29 AM

According to the article, Terence Crawford wants more transparency on the event's expenses. I am shaking my head, why?

Why so demanding? I think fighters just have to fight and get paid according to the agreed amount in the contract. He is more interested on the job of the promoter, they are the ones who are taking care of that matter, they are fighters, they should focus on training.

I guess fighters now are more vocal than it was 10-20 years wherein they see this a job, with no security tenure. They just want to fight the best and see how "macho" they are compare to the other boxers in their division. That's why we have so many great fights in the past.

Now, boxers want more transparency, they have their own legal team to scrutinized every contract and may add some or contest if they don't want that to be included in the contract.

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^ Hehehe, we should take everything with a grain of salt specially coming from Bob Arum. He used to promote Crawford, and if he believes he can beat him, why he didn't set up the fight? The only reason I can see is that it's it's difficult to negotiate with PBC or there is not money to be made because he says that Crawford doesn't have that huge draw. And this is one of the main reason why Crawford left him, because of this comment of him, and assuming that time that Crawford is still with Bob.

I would agree that if compared to Errol Spence, Terence Crawford does not have a larger draw. However, if Spence and Crawford were in the same ring to fight each other, they would certainly increase each other's draw. Also, who is at fault if Crawford's draw is lower? I reckon it is the promoter's fault! This superfight would also not happen if Crawford has stayed with Top Rank.

Maybe Crawford just wants to get this fight done for legacy, he is not getting any younger and he wants a legacy fight, more than the money he already earned a lot, a boxer that is getting older knows that he is only a few fights left and he wants legacy fight for reference in the hall of fame, if he wins this fight he'll get a larger share in their rematch and of course, he'll get the upper hand in standing and money, Crawford blames Top Rank for failing to secure a match against Spence he did the right thing kicking out Arum to his boxing life.

He wants this fight for legacy, however, he wants to do this more for the money, I reckon. There is no other boxing opponent that can give him the biggest purse in one fight except to challenge the other king of the welterweight division.

@wheelz1200. According to the article, Terence Crawford wants more transparency on the event's expenses. I am shaking my head, why?

Whether it's for money or legacy after ten years or twenty years people will look at this fight not on who makes the most money but on who dominates the fight and how both fighters engage in this fight, we never talk about money when we watch great fights in the past but on what happened on those fights, both fighters can surely make a lot of money but they are more looking on their place in the anals of boxing greats this alone is something money can't buy.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on October 01, 2022, 12:42:29 AM

According to the article, Terence Crawford wants more transparency on the event's expenses. I am shaking my head, why?

Why so demanding? I think fighters just have to fight and get paid according to the agreed amount in the contract. He is more interested on the job of the promoter, they are the ones who are taking care of that matter, they are fighters, they should focus on training.

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^ Hehehe, we should take everything with a grain of salt specially coming from Bob Arum. He used to promote Crawford, and if he believes he can beat him, why he didn't set up the fight? The only reason I can see is that it's it's difficult to negotiate with PBC or there is not money to be made because he says that Crawford doesn't have that huge draw. And this is one of the main reason why Crawford left him, because of this comment of him, and assuming that time that Crawford is still with Bob.

I would agree that if compared to Errol Spence, Terence Crawford does not have a larger draw. However, if Spence and Crawford were in the same ring to fight each other, they would certainly increase each other's draw. Also, who is at fault if Crawford's draw is lower? I reckon it is the promoter's fault! This superfight would also not happen if Crawford has stayed with Top Rank.

Maybe Crawford just wants to get this fight done for legacy, he is not getting any younger and he wants a legacy fight, more than the money he already earned a lot, a boxer that is getting older knows that he is only a few fights left and he wants legacy fight for reference in the hall of fame, if he wins this fight he'll get a larger share in their rematch and of course, he'll get the upper hand in standing and money, Crawford blames Top Rank for failing to secure a match against Spence he did the right thing kicking out Arum to his boxing life.

He wants this fight for legacy, however, he wants to do this more for the money, I reckon. There is no other boxing opponent that can give him the biggest purse in one fight except to challenge the other king of the welterweight division.

@wheelz1200. According to the article, Terence Crawford wants more transparency on the event's expenses. I am shaking my head, why?

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Quote from: mirakal on September 29, 2022, 04:36:21 PM

Best guess is that both camps are already training because their forecasted date is approaching fast, they only have less than 2 months left to prepare and train. Maybe that's the same reason why they are so silent these days after we received an information that they've already reached a deal.

They will only train if the fight is already official, there's no reason for them to train hard with their team if there's no announcement yet, unless they know it's going to happen and promoters are just waiting for the right time to announce, what I'm saying is, if they start training for nothing, they will just be wasting money.

But this fighters are elite, and they have to stay in shape even at off season. And this is the secret of some of the best of them like Floyd and Manny or even Hopkins during his prime. This boxers keeps themselves in around their fighting weight by maybe doing some like trainings at home. Floyd and Manny loves to play basketball.

And so when the official fight is announced, they will just shift gears and focus 100% on the training itself. So they are not wasting money, they've just trying to get the edge.

The word is already out, we are just waiting for their final approach to make this official. They are aiming for November, it's already safe to say that both camps have already started their respective trainings even if there's no official announcement yet. They are the ones who know the real deal and they won't be wasting this far if a fight between Spence and Crawford is impossible this year, especially the latter. I don't think that Crawford will wait and settle until Spence is ready because he will be inactive for a year this coming November too.

And I agree, even if the fight is not yet settled, training is already part of their routine to keep and maintain their shape especially in times like this that there's only little time left to prepare. This is an undisputed fight, we already know that both fights will really come prepared.

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Looks like contract details aren't coming together. No way a fight happens in November. My guess is that Crawford is going to want to get in a fight before this one if this ever happens now. This fight has to happen wish they would just squash the contract details and meet both half way to make this happen.

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Best guess is that both camps are already training because their forecasted date is approaching fast, they only have less than 2 months left to prepare and train. Maybe that's the same reason why they are so silent these days after we received an information that they've already reached a deal.

They will only train if the fight is already official, there's no reason for them to train hard with their team if there's no announcement yet, unless they know it's going to happen and promoters are just waiting for the right time to announce, what I'm saying is, if they start training for nothing, they will just be wasting money.

But this fighters are elite, and they have to stay in shape even at off season. And this is the secret of some of the best of them like Floyd and Manny or even Hopkins during his prime. This boxers keeps themselves in around their fighting weight by maybe doing some like trainings at home. Floyd and Manny loves to play basketball.

And so when the official fight is announced, they will just shift gears and focus 100% on the training itself. So they are not wasting money, they've just trying to get the edge.

The word is already out, we are just waiting for their final approach to make this official. They are aiming for November, it's already safe to say that both camps have already started their respective trainings even if there's no official announcement yet. They are the ones who know the real deal and they won't be wasting this far if a fight between Spence and Crawford is impossible this year, especially the latter. I don't think that Crawford will wait and settle until Spence is ready because he will be inactive for a year this coming November too.

And I agree, even if the fight is not yet settled, training is already part of their routine to keep and maintain their shape especially in times like this that there's only little time left to prepare. This is an undisputed fight, we already know that both fights will really come prepared.

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Quote from: goinmerry on September 30, 2022, 09:32:28 AM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on September 30, 2022, 05:25:45 AM

You can ask OP to make a poll on this particular fight, for sure it will be a very close race and I'm not certain who will win although we already have an idea on the betting odds of this fight. Well, both are champions, since Spence is also very confident, then maybe betting on himself will probably give him more money.

I think most people here are looking forward to Terence Crawford winning the match because they think Spence Jr. is a coward and this fight should happen a long time now, not realizing that it's not actually Spence should they blame why this match takes too long to become official.

Although moving forward, we should not bring up the past as this fight is now closer to happening compared to before when it was just a plan.

We will only know that if there's a poll, I notice that most of us here are rooting for Crawford but there are voters that are not participating in the discussion, so that poll is really important for us to know the heart of the majority.

Spence Jr is a coward? maybe, but he is still undefeated, in fact, he has more belts than Crawford and he just wants to dictate the fight negotiation.

I'm not sure if this fight is gonna happen, but if not, we know who's to blame I guess.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on September 30, 2022, 08:29:35 AM

Anything is possible, including a draw. Both are champions, and although Crawford is the favorite to win but it doesn't mean he is guaranteed to win. Personally, I think Crawford is the better fighter here, but for sure Spence is gonna do everything to win also.

Speculating a draw result is really tough knowing these boxers are currently at their peak. Although a draw is possible, I'm not expecting that result. These guys will push on their limit and one of them will be declared a winner at the end.

IQ, Strength, Strategies, Skills, etc. - I do think both boxers have it as they won't reach their respective status if they don't have that.

It now depends on who will be able to execute it timely and properly.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on September 30, 2022, 05:25:45 AM

You can ask OP to make a poll on this particular fight, for sure it will be a very close race and I'm not certain who will win although we already have an idea on the betting odds of this fight. Well, both are champions, since Spence is also very confident, then maybe betting on himself will probably give him more money.

I think most people here are looking forward to Terence Crawford winning the match because they think Spence Jr. is a coward and this fight should happen a long time now, not realizing that it's not actually Spence should they blame why this match takes too long to become official.

Although moving forward, we should not bring up the past as this fight is now closer to happening compared to before when it was just a plan.

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Quote from: chaser15 on September 30, 2022, 08:22:56 AM

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I'm sure with that, I'm also thinking of a "DRAW", as both fighters are willing to win, they might be so good that they could stand until the end of 12 rounds. I'm thinking, maybe it will be the same scenario with Canelo vs GGG on their first fight, what do you think?

I'm not thinking of a DRAW. Both fighters are not equal in strength believe me. Crawford for me has the upper strength compared to Spence. However, Spence is the most strategic. The characteristics of both of them will lead the match to have a single winner and not a DRAW unless the judges will make it a DRAW.

Crawford is also hungry for legacy, and Spence is hungry for the big purse, and both want to move up after a win. Since both of them has a mission, they will not allow the fight to end in a DRAW. There should be a winner as regardless of the result, a rematch is waving.

I do agree though, although a draw is possible, but I'm not seeing that it will happen in this first fight. I would disagree though that Spence is the most strategic, boxing IQ also favors Crawford. We have seen him strategized, like switching stance in the middle of the fight that you wouldn't notice.

Might be close but at least there could be rounds that really shows the dominance of either both of the boxers that will make the judges score a definite win.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on September 30, 2022, 07:30:11 AM

I'm sure with that, I'm also thinking of a "DRAW", as both fighters are willing to win, they might be so good that they could stand until the end of 12 rounds. I'm thinking, maybe it will be the same scenario with Canelo vs GGG on their first fight, what do you think?

I'm not thinking of a DRAW. Both fighters are not equal in strength believe me. Crawford for me has the upper strength compared to Spence. However, Spence is the most strategic. The characteristics of both of them will lead the match to have a single winner and not a DRAW unless the judges will make it a DRAW.

Crawford is also hungry for legacy, and Spence is hungry for the big purse, and both want to move up after a win. Since both of them has a mission, they will not allow the fight to end in a DRAW. There should be a winner as regardless of the result, a rematch is waving.

Anything is possible, including a draw. Both are champions, and although Crawford is the favorite to win but it doesn't mean he is guaranteed to win. Personally, I think Crawford is the better fighter here, but for sure Spence is gonna do everything to win also.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on September 30, 2022, 07:30:11 AM

I'm sure with that, I'm also thinking of a "DRAW", as both fighters are willing to win, they might be so good that they could stand until the end of 12 rounds. I'm thinking, maybe it will be the same scenario with Canelo vs GGG on their first fight, what do you think?

I'm not thinking of a DRAW. Both fighters are not equal in strength believe me. Crawford for me has the upper strength compared to Spence. However, Spence is the most strategic. The characteristics of both of them will lead the match to have a single winner and not a DRAW unless the judges will make it a DRAW.

Crawford is also hungry for legacy, and Spence is hungry for the big purse, and both want to move up after a win. Since both of them has a mission, they will not allow the fight to end in a DRAW. There should be a winner as regardless of the result, a rematch is waving.

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Quote from: Jating on September 30, 2022, 06:19:48 AM

Nevertheless we have our own opinion and even if the odds are in Crawford's way, for sure there are bettors here who are going for Spence Jr because he has a good resume and tougher opponents.

I'm sure with that, I'm also thinking of a "DRAW", as both fighters are willing to win, they might be so good that they could stand until the end of 12 rounds. I'm thinking, maybe it will be the same scenario with Canelo vs GGG on their first fight, what do you think?

I'm also thinking of that in the back of my mind, a draw will result in an immediate rematch and the fans will want more, whenever there is a draw fans have conflicting opinions based on how they looked at the fight, if you've made a bet and you are a big fan you will always look at your idol as the winner, a lot of boxing rivals created rematches and trilogies and there's a possibility that this fight, the rematch or even the trilogy will bring excitement to the boxing fans.

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Quote from: Jating on September 30, 2022, 06:19:48 AM

Nevertheless we have our own opinion and even if the odds are in Crawford's way, for sure there are bettors here who are going for Spence Jr because he has a good resume and tougher opponents.

I'm sure with that, I'm also thinking of a "DRAW", as both fighters are willing to win, they might be so good that they could stand until the end of 12 rounds. I'm thinking, maybe it will be the same scenario with Canelo vs GGG on their first fight, what do you think?

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Quote from: mirakal on September 29, 2022, 04:36:21 PM

Best guess is that both camps are already training because their forecasted date is approaching fast, they only have less than 2 months left to prepare and train. Maybe that's the same reason why they are so silent these days after we received an information that they've already reached a deal.

They will only train if the fight is already official, there's no reason for them to train hard with their team if there's no announcement yet, unless they know it's going to happen and promoters are just waiting for the right time to announce, what I'm saying is, if they start training for nothing, they will just be wasting money.

the odds are already out so for sure they are already training hard for this. as of now, crawford is the favourite of the bookies having odds of 1.64-1.66, whereas, spence having 2.13-2.18 odds. so who do you think will go home with those belts? i guess, we need a poll on this thread so we can see the forum gamblers' opinion on this fight. this will be a lucrative fight for both boxers so they should not fail us to show a good toe-to-toe fight inside the ring.

You can ask OP to make a poll on this particular fight, for sure it will be a very close race and I'm not certain who will win although we already have an idea on the betting odds of this fight. Well, both are champions, since Spence is also very confident, then maybe betting on himself will probably give him more money.

Good question, I do hope that the OP will edit and put up a poll so the pulse of our boxing community. Nevertheless, I will have Crawford as my slight favorite in this fight because he is one of my fav boxer right. Overall I see him as being the stronger between the two.

Nevertheless we have our own opinion and even if the odds are in Crawford's way, for sure there are bettors here who are going for Spence Jr because he has a good resume and tougher opponents.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on September 29, 2022, 07:00:00 PM

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Quote from: mirakal on September 29, 2022, 04:36:21 PM

Best guess is that both camps are already training because their forecasted date is approaching fast, they only have less than 2 months left to prepare and train. Maybe that's the same reason why they are so silent these days after we received an information that they've already reached a deal.

They will only train if the fight is already official, there's no reason for them to train hard with their team if there's no announcement yet, unless they know it's going to happen and promoters are just waiting for the right time to announce, what I'm saying is, if they start training for nothing, they will just be wasting money.

the odds are already out so for sure they are already training hard for this. as of now, crawford is the favourite of the bookies having odds of 1.64-1.66, whereas, spence having 2.13-2.18 odds. so who do you think will go home with those belts? i guess, we need a poll on this thread so we can see the forum gamblers' opinion on this fight. this will be a lucrative fight for both boxers so they should not fail us to show a good toe-to-toe fight inside the ring.

You can ask OP to make a poll on this particular fight, for sure it will be a very close race and I'm not certain who will win although we already have an idea on the betting odds of this fight. Well, both are champions, since Spence is also very confident, then maybe betting on himself will probably give him more money.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on September 30, 2022, 12:46:31 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on September 24, 2022, 05:07:54 AM

^ Hehehe, we should take everything with a grain of salt specially coming from Bob Arum. He used to promote Crawford, and if he believes he can beat him, why he didn't set up the fight? The only reason I can see is that it's it's difficult to negotiate with PBC or there is not money to be made because he says that Crawford doesn't have that huge draw. And this is one of the main reason why Crawford left him, because of this comment of him, and assuming that time that Crawford is still with Bob.

I would agree that if compared to Errol Spence, Terence Crawford does not have a larger draw. However, if Spence and Crawford were in the same ring to fight each other, they would certainly increase each other's draw. Also, who is at fault if Crawford's draw is lower? I reckon it is the promoter's fault! This superfight would also not happen if Crawford has stayed with Top Rank.

Maybe Crawford just wants to get this fight done for legacy, he is not getting any younger and he wants a legacy fight, more than the money he already earned a lot, a boxer that is getting older knows that he is only a few fights left and he wants legacy fight for reference in the hall of fame, if he wins this fight he'll get a larger share in their rematch and of course, he'll get the upper hand in standing and money, Crawford blames Top Rank for failing to secure a match against Spence he did the right thing kicking out Arum to his boxing life.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 24, 2022, 05:07:54 AM

^ Hehehe, we should take everything with a grain of salt specially coming from Bob Arum. He used to promote Crawford, and if he believes he can beat him, why he didn't set up the fight? The only reason I can see is that it's it's difficult to negotiate with PBC or there is not money to be made because he says that Crawford doesn't have that huge draw. And this is one of the main reason why Crawford left him, because of this comment of him, and assuming that time that Crawford is still with Bob.

I would agree that if compared to Errol Spence, Terence Crawford does not have a larger draw. However, if Spence and Crawford were in the same ring to fight each other, they would certainly increase each other's draw. Also, who is at fault if Crawford's draw is lower? I reckon it is the promoter's fault! This superfight would also not happen if Crawford has stayed with Top Rank.

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