[Boxing] Crawford vs Spence - page 14.

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Quote from: agustina2 on September 26, 2022, 03:32:10 PM

I didn't expect the distance of the odds. I thought neither Spence nor Crawford will be the Favorites, the odds for them is just close.

Crawford at 1.6 over Spence at 2.1 just shows that bookies looked at the former as Heavy Favorites and not just the usual Favorites.

It's not even a trap to consider but either way, I will still pick Spence to win this match.

I think when the date get closer until the fight will happen, Spence odds will be higher since many people will bet Crawford. Crawford currently become top 3 pound for pound while Spence is on top 4, though it's close, but a difference is still different.

I'll watch the odds, if the odds is really small of Crawford, I wouldn't bet him since it doesn't worth for the risk. I believe there's will be a rematch sooner or later regardless who's win here.

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Quote from: Japinat on September 26, 2022, 05:46:26 PM

Let's say if Boxer A dominated the whole fight and knocked out Boxer B, will the camp and promoter of Boxer B activate a rematch even if they know that there chances is already small?

In that particular situation, I think Boxer B will still activate the rematch clause even if they know the chances are small. There's a preparation for that in the first place. Aside from that, Boxer B and his camp will never ever think that their winning chance is small.

Almost every loser wants a rematch as they want to get their revenge. Even Boxer B will have a small share of the purse split, as stated on the rematch clause, that's still a good contract to consider. And if they won, a big recognition and will open for another good contract in a possible trilogy.

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Quote from: Japinat on September 25, 2022, 01:54:45 PM

The promoter won't possibly let Crawford or Spence to activate that rematch if the outcome of their first fight is a knockout or TKO, if that will happen, the defeated boxer won't have a choice but to move-on on the situation because a rematch won't give much difference as the first fight is already clear enough to know who's more dominant.

Not truly aware of that but as far as my knowledge about boxing agreements is concerned, that doesn't count as one of the reasons why a rematch won't happen. Regardless if the fight was finished and ended in a TKO, the purpose of the rematch is simply, to have a rematch.

If Boxer A is dominant in the first match, it doesn't mean that Boxer B won't stand a chance to get his revenge in the rematch. There's always a chance for turning the table in favor of the loser in the first match.

That's what a rematch is all about no matter how dominant the winner of the first match is.

Let's say if Boxer A dominated the whole fight and knocked out Boxer B, will the camp and promoter of Boxer B activate a rematch even if they know that there chances is already small? Also, a rematch won't be marketable just like the first encounter because people already knows who win and there's no need to go for such depth because Boxer A already proved that he is more dominant and stronger than Boxer B.

Nevertheless, you have a point that the camp can still choose to do so if they wanted it even if the fight won't be getting that much revenue again, the thing is they still want to try and settle the score. And if by chance Boxer B won the rematch, then a huge revenue can be expected if a trilogy will happen.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on September 26, 2022, 01:42:48 PM

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or maybe the contract is already signed and they just announce it and surprise all of us.

I doubt with this, actually a big fight will always announced in very beginning to attract many people watch the fights, if they're announce it when the fight are vert close, they can't make good sum of money. This is boxing where the boxer only looking for a title or record, but there's few boxer only looking for money.

But it's good if the fight will be happen since I've heard either one of them want to move to next weight and that's make one or both of them actually prevent to fight each other lol.

That should be the case, they sign a contract announce the fight, fighters train hard, promoters meet with the media to discuss the fight, then boxers do media conferences or make tours to attract and hype the fight this is where thrash talks happen, but we're not seeing these things in their match if there's really a match, no problem with the hype because even if they do not engage in thrash talks people will still buy tickets and subscribe to PPV, this fight is many years in the making and no one in the boxing community will miss this.

by the way, stake's odds is out for this match. so this is indeed happening!

i was thinking, errol will be the slightly favourite here over crawford as he has more belts but hey, this one may change a lil bit once the fight is getting near. so place your bets as early as you can while the odds are good. this fight will sell good and both fighters will earn good amount of money. the purse split may be in favour of spence here though.

Yeah, been monitoring that odds. But I'm not surprised that Crawford will be the favorite as we have been speculating that he will, even if Spence had the 3 belts.

And I think Spence knows this, that's why he is acting like the A-side in this fight because of the belts. But nevertheless gambling public and boxing analyst see Crawford as the favorite because he is the complete fighter, has the better IQ, never had in any trouble in his fights, has a better chin, punching power, I would say even, but slight to Crawford for me.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on September 26, 2022, 01:42:48 PM

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or maybe the contract is already signed and they just announce it and surprise all of us.

I doubt with this, actually a big fight will always announced in very beginning to attract many people watch the fights, if they're announce it when the fight are vert close, they can't make good sum of money. This is boxing where the boxer only looking for a title or record, but there's few boxer only looking for money.

But it's good if the fight will be happen since I've heard either one of them want to move to next weight and that's make one or both of them actually prevent to fight each other lol.

That should be the case, they sign a contract announce the fight, fighters train hard, promoters meet with the media to discuss the fight, then boxers do media conferences or make tours to attract and hype the fight this is where thrash talks happen, but we're not seeing these things in their match if there's really a match, no problem with the hype because even if they do not engage in thrash talks people will still buy tickets and subscribe to PPV, this fight is many years in the making and no one in the boxing community will miss this.

by the way, stake's odds is out for this match. so this is indeed happening!

i was thinking, errol will be the slightly favourite here over crawford as he has more belts but hey, this one may change a lil bit once the fight is getting near. so place your bets as early as you can while the odds are good. this fight will sell good and both fighters will earn good amount of money. the purse split may be in favour of spence here though.

I was surprised by that odd. I also believe that it was Spence that will be bookies favorite, not Crawford, but with
what you have shared, those who are in favor of Spence need to act quickly.

It will be change along the way, not sure the basis but with numbers of Belts and previous fight Spence is more
active compared with Crawford.

Maybe it can be a trapped to allure those bettors, but it will be you as bettor or a fan to analyze and pick your
best fighter in this winner takes all matchup.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on September 26, 2022, 01:42:48 PM

i was thinking, errol will be the slightly favourite here over crawford as he has more belts but hey, this one may change a lil bit once the fight is getting near. so place your bets as early as you can while the odds are good. this fight will sell good and both fighters will earn good amount of money. the purse split may be in favour of spence here though.

I didn't expect the distance of the odds. I thought neither Spence nor Crawford will be the Favorites, the odds for them is just close.

Crawford at 1.6 over Spence at 2.1 just shows that bookies looked at the former as Heavy Favorites and not just the usual Favorites.

It's not even a trap to consider but either way, I will still pick Spence to win this match.

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Quote from: robelneo on September 26, 2022, 10:12:05 AM

Quote from: Jawhead999 on September 26, 2022, 09:36:17 AM

Quote from: robelneo on September 26, 2022, 09:29:07 AM

or maybe the contract is already signed and they just announce it and surprise all of us.

I doubt with this, actually a big fight will always announced in very beginning to attract many people watch the fights, if they're announce it when the fight are vert close, they can't make good sum of money. This is boxing where the boxer only looking for a title or record, but there's few boxer only looking for money.

But it's good if the fight will be happen since I've heard either one of them want to move to next weight and that's make one or both of them actually prevent to fight each other lol.

That should be the case, they sign a contract announce the fight, fighters train hard, promoters meet with the media to discuss the fight, then boxers do media conferences or make tours to attract and hype the fight this is where thrash talks happen, but we're not seeing these things in their match if there's really a match, no problem with the hype because even if they do not engage in thrash talks people will still buy tickets and subscribe to PPV, this fight is many years in the making and no one in the boxing community will miss this.

by the way, stake's odds is out for this match. so this is indeed happening!

i was thinking, errol will be the slightly favourite here over crawford as he has more belts but hey, this one may change a lil bit once the fight is getting near. so place your bets as early as you can while the odds are good. this fight will sell good and both fighters will earn good amount of money. the purse split may be in favour of spence here though.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on September 26, 2022, 09:36:17 AM

Quote from: robelneo on September 26, 2022, 09:29:07 AM

or maybe the contract is already signed and they just announce it and surprise all of us.

I doubt with this, actually a big fight will always announced in very beginning to attract many people watch the fights, if they're announce it when the fight are vert close, they can't make good sum of money. This is boxing where the boxer only looking for a title or record, but there's few boxer only looking for money.

But it's good if the fight will be happen since I've heard either one of them want to move to next weight and that's make one or both of them actually prevent to fight each other lol.

That should be the case, they sign a contract announce the fight, fighters train hard, promoters meet with the media to discuss the fight, then boxers do media conferences or make tours to attract and hype the fight this is where thrash talks happen, but we're not seeing these things in their match if there's really a match, no problem with the hype because even if they do not engage in thrash talks people will still buy tickets and subscribe to PPV, this fight is many years in the making and no one in the boxing community will miss this.

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Quote from: robelneo on September 26, 2022, 09:29:07 AM

or maybe the contract is already signed and they just announce it and surprise all of us.

I doubt with this, actually a big fight will always announced in very beginning to attract many people watch the fights, if they're announce it when the fight are vert close, they can't make good sum of money. This is boxing where the boxer only looking for a title or record, but there's few boxer only looking for money.

But it's good if the fight will be happen since I've heard either one of them want to move to next weight and that's make one or both of them actually prevent to fight each other lol.

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I checked the internet for the latest news about this match and it's still the same news they are going to face in November but the contract is not yet signed up, both parties have agreed on the split already why not sign the contract, there's a little time for preparation for both fighters if the contract is not yet signed there's a possibility that anyone can back up if they supported it with a good reason like injuring his hand or similar injury, this is not good for the boxing community if they are being taken for a ride, the contract is a piece of solid evidence that the fight will push, not just an announcement.
or maybe the contract is already signed and they just announce it and surprise all of us.

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I also believe that Bud Crawford have the higher hand in this fight, the man is fearless and could break mountains if he has to. While Spence here is clearly trying to drag the schedule because he knows that Crawford won't be the same as time goes by.

I don't think Spence is avoiding Crawford to expect that the latter won't be the same as time goes by.

While Crawford is catching age, the same for Spence too. Bud is 34 years old while The Truth is 32 years old. I don't think there's a big difference in their strength or having a huge gap in their skills with that 2 years difference in their age.

While Bud is building a legacy, Spence is a businessman. He wants to make sure that he will get the most share of every fight. If he fight Crawford before, he might end up taking the small share of the purse split that's why he established his career first and build his reputation to become the PPV King.

It's probably not about the age gap because it's not that too far, it's not like GGG vs Canelo, and Pacman vs Ugas. There's a big reason why this fight is still not announced until now, the number 1 reason is probably the split of the money, and I have a feeling hyping this fight would not help anymore in order to make it happen.

Crawford is turning 35 already. And he is turning a year inactive too. If they are fighting in November then Spence will benefit from the short span of training. We know boxing is business but when people are ducking then they will also expect bash from the fans.

It is a fact that Spence is a better draw than Crawford if we are to base their previous PPV buys. But Spence is also too far from being called a PPV king. The current PPV king is Canelo followed by AJ, Usyk, and Fury. And would you guys believe that Tank Davis despite cherry-picking no-named opponents is just at par with Spence's PPV buys?

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Quote from: goinmerry on September 25, 2022, 06:41:14 PM

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I also believe that Bud Crawford have the higher hand in this fight, the man is fearless and could break mountains if he has to. While Spence here is clearly trying to drag the schedule because he knows that Crawford won't be the same as time goes by.

I don't think Spence is avoiding Crawford to expect that the latter won't be the same as time goes by.

While Crawford is catching age, the same for Spence too. Bud is 34 years old while The Truth is 32 years old. I don't think there's a big difference in their strength or having a huge gap in their skills with that 2 years difference in their age.

While Bud is building a legacy, Spence is a businessman. He wants to make sure that he will get the most share of every fight. If he fight Crawford before, he might end up taking the small share of the purse split that's why he established his career first and build his reputation to become the PPV King.

It's probably not about the age gap because it's not that too far, it's not like GGG vs Canelo, and Pacman vs Ugas. There's a big reason why this fight is still not announced until now, the number 1 reason is probably the split of the money, and I have a feeling hyping this fight would not help anymore in order to make it happen.

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Quote from: goinmerry on September 25, 2022, 06:41:14 PM

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I also believe that Bud Crawford have the higher hand in this fight, the man is fearless and could break mountains if he has to. While Spence here is clearly trying to drag the schedule because he knows that Crawford won't be the same as time goes by.

I don't think Spence is avoiding Crawford to expect that the latter won't be the same as time goes by.

Just hard to think though what is the stinging point that this fight is not happening. For sure there is Bob Arum, but he is no longer in the picture. And yet there is no clear indication that this fight is going to happen this year.

Quote from: goinmerry on September 25, 2022, 06:41:14 PM

While Crawford is catching age, the same for Spence too. Bud is 34 years old while The Truth is 32 years old. I don't think there's a big difference in their strength or having a huge gap in their skills with that 2 years difference in their age.

And it's also that Spence, being the 3 belt champion has face a lot of competition and it could add to the wear and tear. And then the accident and his eye operation, if we go on this premise that we could say that both are of the same age argument?

Quote from: goinmerry on September 25, 2022, 06:41:14 PM

While Bud is building a legacy, Spence is a businessman. He wants to make sure that he will get the most share of every fight. If he fight Crawford before, he might end up taking the small share of the purse split that's why he established his career first and build his reputation to become the PPV King.

It's probably who is behind his career, he is under PBC so they want to make money and maybe not thinking of Spence legacy. On the other hand, Crawford opponents have been cherry pick by Top Rank to build his reputation. But still lacks the legacy for me, specially the quality of his opponents as compare to Spence record.

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Quote from: mirakal on September 24, 2022, 01:53:28 PM

I also believe that Bud Crawford have the higher hand in this fight, the man is fearless and could break mountains if he has to. While Spence here is clearly trying to drag the schedule because he knows that Crawford won't be the same as time goes by.

I don't think Spence is avoiding Crawford to expect that the latter won't be the same as time goes by.

While Crawford is catching age, the same for Spence too. Bud is 34 years old while The Truth is 32 years old. I don't think there's a big difference in their strength or having a huge gap in their skills with that 2 years difference in their age.

While Bud is building a legacy, Spence is a businessman. He wants to make sure that he will get the most share of every fight. If he fight Crawford before, he might end up taking the small share of the purse split that's why he established his career first and build his reputation to become the PPV King.

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Quote from: Japinat on September 25, 2022, 01:54:45 PM

The promoter won't possibly let Crawford or Spence to activate that rematch if the outcome of their first fight is a knockout or TKO, if that will happen, the defeated boxer won't have a choice but to move-on on the situation because a rematch won't give much difference as the first fight is already clear enough to know who's more dominant.

Not truly aware of that but as far as my knowledge about boxing agreements is concerned, that doesn't count as one of the reasons why a rematch won't happen. Regardless if the fight was finished and ended in a TKO, the purpose of the rematch is simply, to have a rematch.

If Boxer A is dominant in the first match, it doesn't mean that Boxer B won't stand a chance to get his revenge in the rematch. There's always a chance for turning the table in favor of the loser in the first match.

That's what a rematch is all about no matter how dominant the winner of the first match is.

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The way PBC is treating Crawford, I don't they will be able to sign him if he beats Spence except for a 1 or 2 fights deal that would guarantee a title shot against undisputed super middleweight champion Jermell Charlo. After that, I think he is headed to DAZN.

As a knowledgeable in boxing, do you think that regardless of who will win on this match between Spence and Crawford, they will face Jermell Charlo next at the super middleweight?

Or a rematch is bound to happen first?

I really like that this fight between Spence and Crawford should happen now to now end the issues of who's the best in the Welterweight and finally will move on to their next plan.

There is a high chance that a rematch is bound to happen first regardless of the result, I don't think that Spence or Crawford will just move-on without having a second bout to try and settle their scores. Also, a rematch clause was stated and that's expected as this is an undisputed fight and a measurement on who's really the best boxer in the welterweight division.

An immediate rematch clause regardless of the result? What if Crawford knocks out Spence in round 1 or if Spence knocks out Crawford also in round 1? Does this not make the rematch not very marketable for the promoters and also not very tempting to watch for the fans? I reckon there must be a clause within the rematch clause hehe.

Also, Bob Arum said that Crawford will beat Spence. But how can we trust Arum when he was hurt by Crawford when he left Top Rank for free agency.

“I really believe Terence is the better fighter and will beat Spence when they fight, although I expect it’ll be a tremendous fight. That remains to be seen,” said Arum when asked if Spence – Crawford will be on the level of the 1980s fight between Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns.

Source https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/09/bob-arum-picks-terence-crawford-to-defeats-errol-spence-jr/

Yes, you're right. I won't be marketable for the organizers and promoters if Spence or Crawford will get knocked out especially in the 1st round of the fight, anyway, they haven't released some details regarding that clause within the rematch clause. What we know is that the defeated boxer could chose to activate that clause or not, and we know it won't be activated if that defeated boxer was lost dominantly by a way of KO/TKO. I bet the promoter won't let the boxer do that because it's already nonsense.

I also believe that Bud Crawford have the higher hand in this fight, the man is fearless and could break mountains if he has to. While Spence here is clearly trying to drag the schedule because he knows that Crawford won't be the same as time goes by.

The promoter won't possibly let Crawford or Spence to activate that rematch if the outcome of their first fight is a knockout or TKO, if that will happen, the defeated boxer won't have a choice but to move-on on the situation because a rematch won't give much difference as the first fight is already clear enough to know who's more dominant. By the way, I agree with your statement about Crawford and my money goes for Crawford as well.

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The way PBC is treating Crawford, I don't they will be able to sign him if he beats Spence except for a 1 or 2 fights deal that would guarantee a title shot against undisputed super middleweight champion Jermell Charlo. After that, I think he is headed to DAZN.

As a knowledgeable in boxing, do you think that regardless of who will win on this match between Spence and Crawford, they will face Jermell Charlo next at the super middleweight?

Or a rematch is bound to happen first?

I really like that this fight between Spence and Crawford should happen now to now end the issues of who's the best in the Welterweight and finally will move on to their next plan.

There is a high chance that a rematch is bound to happen first regardless of the result, I don't think that Spence or Crawford will just move-on without having a second bout to try and settle their scores. Also, a rematch clause was stated and that's expected as this is an undisputed fight and a measurement on who's really the best boxer in the welterweight division.

An immediate rematch clause regardless of the result? What if Crawford knocks out Spence in round 1 or if Spence knocks out Crawford also in round 1? Does this not make the rematch not very marketable for the promoters and also not very tempting to watch for the fans? I reckon there must be a clause within the rematch clause hehe.

Also, Bob Arum said that Crawford will beat Spence. But how can we trust Arum when he was hurt by Crawford when he left Top Rank for free agency.

“I really believe Terence is the better fighter and will beat Spence when they fight, although I expect it’ll be a tremendous fight. That remains to be seen,” said Arum when asked if Spence – Crawford will be on the level of the 1980s fight between Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns.

Source https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/09/bob-arum-picks-terence-crawford-to-defeats-errol-spence-jr/

Yes, you're right. I won't be marketable for the organizers and promoters if Spence or Crawford will get knocked out especially in the 1st round of the fight, anyway, they haven't released some details regarding that clause within the rematch clause. What we know is that the defeated boxer could chose to activate that clause or not, and we know it won't be activated if that defeated boxer was lost dominantly by a way of KO/TKO. I bet the promoter won't let the boxer do that because it's already nonsense.

I also believe that Bud Crawford have the higher hand in this fight, the man is fearless and could break mountains if he has to. While Spence here is clearly trying to drag the schedule because he knows that Crawford won't be the same as time goes by.

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It will be nicer if this fight will not remain as a hype, I mean, it should come into reality so fans will stop speculating anymore, some are positive while some are already negative about the chance fo this fight happening.

No doubt and indeed it will be nicer if we all got updates from the promoters so fans will start the countdown
of days or to book this, fight and be placed on their calendars.

Till there's no final update regarding to any signing of contracts, there would be a lot of speculation coming from
the fans and all those who really wanted this to happen.

For now, everything will remain rumors or speculation and everyone is free to think if this fight will take place
or some excuse will show up for this fight not to happen.

That would be much better if both camps are open to the public but that is not the case this time, they are trying to keep it all under wraps and they only let some tiny details to be leaked for the public's knowledge. They should start to give some real time updates because up until now, we only know that they have agreed verbally but I don't know what's taking too long to make that paper so both camps can sign and make the fight official.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 24, 2022, 05:07:54 AM

^ Hehehe, we should take everything with a grain of salt specially coming from Bob Arum. He used to promote Crawford, and if he believes he can beat him, why he didn't set up the fight? The only reason I can see is that it's it's difficult to negotiate with PBC or there is not money to be made because he says that Crawford doesn't have that huge draw. And this is one of the main reason why Crawford left him, because of this comment of him, and assuming that time that Crawford is still with Bob.

Crawford might not draw a lot of fans like Spence do, but this is already a big fight, for sure the promoters will make a lot of money in this undisputed fight. I don't think the problem here is if this fight will earn big money, I guess the real problem is just the split of revenue or one of the two have chicken out.

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^ Hehehe, we should take everything with a grain of salt specially coming from Bob Arum. He used to promote Crawford, and if he believes he can beat him, why he didn't set up the fight? The only reason I can see is that it's it's difficult to negotiate with PBC or there is not money to be made because he says that Crawford doesn't have that huge draw. And this is one of the main reason why Crawford left him, because of this comment of him, and assuming that time that Crawford is still with Bob.

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