[Boxing] Crawford vs Spence - page 13.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on September 29, 2022, 04:55:27 PM

Quote from: mirakal on September 29, 2022, 04:36:21 PM

Best guess is that both camps are already training because their forecasted date is approaching fast, they only have less than 2 months left to prepare and train. Maybe that's the same reason why they are so silent these days after we received an information that they've already reached a deal.

They will only train if the fight is already official, there's no reason for them to train hard with their team if there's no announcement yet, unless they know it's going to happen and promoters are just waiting for the right time to announce, what I'm saying is, if they start training for nothing, they will just be wasting money.

But this fighters are elite, and they have to stay in shape even at off season. And this is the secret of some of the best of them like Floyd and Manny or even Hopkins during his prime. This boxers keeps themselves in around their fighting weight by maybe doing some like trainings at home. Floyd and Manny loves to play basketball.

And so when the official fight is announced, they will just shift gears and focus 100% on the training itself. So they are not wasting money, they've just trying to get the edge.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on September 29, 2022, 04:55:27 PM

Quote from: mirakal on September 29, 2022, 04:36:21 PM

Best guess is that both camps are already training because their forecasted date is approaching fast, they only have less than 2 months left to prepare and train. Maybe that's the same reason why they are so silent these days after we received an information that they've already reached a deal.

They will only train if the fight is already official, there's no reason for them to train hard with their team if there's no announcement yet, unless they know it's going to happen and promoters are just waiting for the right time to announce, what I'm saying is, if they start training for nothing, they will just be wasting money.

the odds are already out so for sure they are already training hard for this. as of now, crawford is the favourite of the bookies having odds of 1.64-1.66, whereas, spence having 2.13-2.18 odds. so who do you think will go home with those belts? i guess, we need a poll on this thread so we can see the forum gamblers' opinion on this fight. this will be a lucrative fight for both boxers so they should not fail us to show a good toe-to-toe fight inside the ring.

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Quote from: mirakal on September 27, 2022, 11:55:39 AM

I still didn't get why the fight is still not established yet because they already announced that they already had a verbal agreement but it's been a week already since that information surfaced. Why is it taking so long to get that final announcement in this undisputed fight? Although I believe they are already past the point where they are still argue about the purse split.

It's ok mate. It's good that both parties are now verbally agreed to compare to before we don't see any words from both camps and we are clueless about any progress. As long as no news about what would be the other big problems why this fight is still not having an official announcement, it's all good.

Maybe next month, October, we can now hear the updated progress of this fight.

If the fight will take place in November, there should be an announcement next month.

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Quote from: Pamadar on September 29, 2022, 06:49:08 AM

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on September 29, 2022, 03:36:11 AM

I don't think that bookies have inside information on the fight, they may have listed it based on the articles that is coming out and that is the date of Nov 19.

And we have to search for the latest article, still goes down to the fight being agreed in terms. But nowhere we see that they have sign the contract already. So in short, the fight is still far from being made and the only thing we do is wait and as you have said, be positive.

I can't believe that we have 40 pages and yet we are not 100% sure that the fight is going to happen, we are left speculating by all the parties involved in this fight, and I wonder what's going on in the minds of both fighters are they concentrating on the fight now, are they training hard even if there is no contract signed, this is the first time I read that there is a fight going to happen even though there is no contract signed, and we are a few days before October its only two months before their supposed date of the fight.

Surprisingly yes, there's an article about the target date and bookies already place odd on their system.

But there's no update yet regarding to the final signing of contract and it implies that the chance that this fight won't happen
is still possible. The only thing that we can do for now is still waiting and continue to watch out for any development of the
signing of contract. Both camps are still in the process of accepting the terms.

Well, maybe that's already a sign that an undisputed fight in the welterweight division will indeed happen in somewhere in November. The promoters and organizers surely know that they should take advantage of the situation while the people are still excited for the said fight because if the hype won't be around anymore then probably they won't be making huge enough and they don't like that. As of now, we've been receiving some news on our end but we are still waiting for the last and final announcement.

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Quote from: mirakal on September 29, 2022, 04:36:21 PM

Best guess is that both camps are already training because their forecasted date is approaching fast, they only have less than 2 months left to prepare and train. Maybe that's the same reason why they are so silent these days after we received an information that they've already reached a deal.

They will only train if the fight is already official, there's no reason for them to train hard with their team if there's no announcement yet, unless they know it's going to happen and promoters are just waiting for the right time to announce, what I'm saying is, if they start training for nothing, they will just be wasting money.

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Quote from: aioc on September 29, 2022, 03:56:26 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on September 29, 2022, 03:36:11 AM

I don't think that bookies have inside information on the fight, they may have listed it based on the articles that is coming out and that is the date of Nov 19.

And we have to search for the latest article, still goes down to the fight being agreed in terms. But nowhere we see that they have sign the contract already. So in short, the fight is still far from being made and the only thing we do is wait and as you have said, be positive.

I can't believe that we have 40 pages and yet we are not 100% sure that the fight is going to happen, we are left speculating by all the parties involved in this fight, and I wonder what's going on in the minds of both fighters are they concentrating on the fight now, are they training hard even if there is no contract signed, this is the first time I read that there is a fight going to happen even though there is no contract signed, and we are a few days before October its only two months before their supposed date of the fight.

I reckon this discussion was created weeks after Spence defeated Ugas by a TKO and said that he's going to take Crawford's belt next, although Spence didn't disclose nor gave a hint on when will he take on Crawford next, he just said that he'll fight but that could mean a year from now Grin

It's just people and fans, including us, are already excited and called for a fight for an undisputed. In other words, it's safe to assume that Spence will take some months to rest first before he will have an discussion with Crawford's camp and I really think that's what happened because the fight took long enough before they reached a deal (still verbally as of this day).

Best guess is that both camps are already training because their forecasted date is approaching fast, they only have less than 2 months left to prepare and train. Maybe that's the same reason why they are so silent these days after we received an information that they've already reached a deal.

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Quote from: aioc on September 29, 2022, 03:56:26 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on September 29, 2022, 03:36:11 AM

I don't think that bookies have inside information on the fight, they may have listed it based on the articles that is coming out and that is the date of Nov 19.

And we have to search for the latest article, still goes down to the fight being agreed in terms. But nowhere we see that they have sign the contract already. So in short, the fight is still far from being made and the only thing we do is wait and as you have said, be positive.

I can't believe that we have 40 pages and yet we are not 100% sure that the fight is going to happen, we are left speculating by all the parties involved in this fight, and I wonder what's going on in the minds of both fighters are they concentrating on the fight now, are they training hard even if there is no contract signed, this is the first time I read that there is a fight going to happen even though there is no contract signed, and we are a few days before October its only two months before their supposed date of the fight.

Surprisingly yes, there's an article about the target date and bookies already place odd on their system.

But there's no update yet regarding to the final signing of contract and it implies that the chance that this fight won't happen
is still possible. The only thing that we can do for now is still waiting and continue to watch out for any development of the
signing of contract. Both camps are still in the process of accepting the terms.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on September 29, 2022, 03:36:11 AM

I don't think that bookies have inside information on the fight, they may have listed it based on the articles that is coming out and that is the date of Nov 19.

And we have to search for the latest article, still goes down to the fight being agreed in terms. But nowhere we see that they have sign the contract already. So in short, the fight is still far from being made and the only thing we do is wait and as you have said, be positive.

I can't believe that we have 40 pages and yet we are not 100% sure that the fight is going to happen, we are left speculating by all the parties involved in this fight, and I wonder what's going on in the minds of both fighters are they concentrating on the fight now, are they training hard even if there is no contract signed, this is the first time I read that there is a fight going to happen even though there is no contract signed, and we are a few days before October its only two months before their supposed date of the fight.

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Quote from: stadus on September 28, 2022, 12:41:39 PM

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Quote from: Getmon on September 28, 2022, 02:44:46 AM

Is this match up happening or what? This topic was created last May and up to now there is no confirmation that this will go ahead. This is like the making of Mayweather and Pacquiao. Mayweather had grown his balls only the moment Pacquiao lost to Bradley and ko'ed by Marquez. Pacquiao was younger than Mayweather but he went past his prime earlier maybe because of his energy consuming aggressive fighting style against Mayweather's more relax defensive style, jab, grab and hold style.

What we can see if we search it from google that the fight are already scheduled this Nov 19.

The drama is not the same with Pacquiao and Mayweather, it took a long time of negotiation before it push thru while with
Crawford and Spence they agree to bring things inside the ring the same year when they hype the possible fight. bookies
already add this fight and if you are a Spence fan, you can take advantage of such a huge edge.

Yup, I don't know why but it seems that Google and other article producers have their own insiders and sources that is why they have come up with a date and place. The fight is said to happen this coming November 19 at Las Vegas, specific place is not yet determined for now.

Also, as you've said, the bookies already added this fight in their list so it's really hard to believe that this fight won't be happening this year. We have been given some signs already but we know that's not the real thing as they haven't released a final announcement yet. Let's just be positive! Cheesy

I don't think that bookies have inside information on the fight, they may have listed it based on the articles that is coming out and that is the date of Nov 19.

And we have to search for the latest article, still goes down to the fight being agreed in terms. But nowhere we see that they have sign the contract already. So in short, the fight is still far from being made and the only thing we do is wait and as you have said, be positive.

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Quote from: Pamadar on September 28, 2022, 05:30:05 AM

Quote from: Getmon on September 28, 2022, 02:44:46 AM

Is this match up happening or what? This topic was created last May and up to now there is no confirmation that this will go ahead. This is like the making of Mayweather and Pacquiao. Mayweather had grown his balls only the moment Pacquiao lost to Bradley and ko'ed by Marquez. Pacquiao was younger than Mayweather but he went past his prime earlier maybe because of his energy consuming aggressive fighting style against Mayweather's more relax defensive style, jab, grab and hold style.

What we can see if we search it from google that the fight are already scheduled this Nov 19.

The drama is not the same with Pacquiao and Mayweather, it took a long time of negotiation before it push thru while with
Crawford and Spence they agree to bring things inside the ring the same year when they hype the possible fight. bookies
already add this fight and if you are a Spence fan, you can take advantage of such a huge edge.

Yup, I don't know why but it seems that Google and other article producers have their own insiders and sources that is why they have come up with a date and place. The fight is said to happen this coming November 19 at Las Vegas, specific place is not yet determined for now.

Also, as you've said, the bookies already added this fight in their list so it's really hard to believe that this fight won't be happening this year. We have been given some signs already but we know that's not the real thing as they haven't released a final announcement yet. Let's just be positive! Cheesy

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Quote from: Getmon on September 28, 2022, 02:44:46 AM

Is this match up happening or what? This topic was created last May and up to now there is no confirmation that this will go ahead. This is like the making of Mayweather and Pacquiao. Mayweather had grown his balls only the moment Pacquiao lost to Bradley and ko'ed by Marquez. Pacquiao was younger than Mayweather but he went past his prime earlier maybe because of his energy consuming aggressive fighting style against Mayweather's more relax defensive style, jab, grab and hold style.

As I have said previously, if this is going to be official then someone will have to tell the public about it. And there are speculations that this fight is already settled, but needs to iron few pointers in the contract and so there is a back and forth discussions.

But both are in their primes and undefeated, so probably this is more entertaining than Floyd vs Pacquaio because of the style of Mayweather and Pacquiao already on the downhill of his career when he fought Floyd. But Crawford and Spence is still very much at their peak.

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Quote from: Getmon on September 28, 2022, 02:44:46 AM

Is this match up happening or what? This topic was created last May and up to now there is no confirmation that this will go ahead. This is like the making of Mayweather and Pacquiao. Mayweather had grown his balls only the moment Pacquiao lost to Bradley and ko'ed by Marquez. Pacquiao was younger than Mayweather but he went past his prime earlier maybe because of his energy consuming aggressive fighting style against Mayweather's more relax defensive style, jab, grab and hold style.

What we can see if we search it from google that the fight are already scheduled this Nov 19.

The drama is not the same with Pacquiao and Mayweather, it took a long time of negotiation before it push thru while with
Crawford and Spence they agree to bring things inside the ring the same year when they hype the possible fight. bookies
already add this fight and if you are a Spence fan, you can take advantage of such a huge edge.

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Quote from: Getmon on September 28, 2022, 02:44:46 AM

Is this match up happening or what? This topic was created last May and up to now there is no confirmation that this will go ahead. This is like the making of Mayweather and Pacquiao. Mayweather had grown his balls only the moment Pacquiao lost to Bradley and ko'ed by Marquez. Pacquiao was younger than Mayweather but he went past his prime earlier maybe because of his energy consuming aggressive fighting style against Mayweather's more relax defensive style, jab, grab and hold style.

This is why you should read at least few last pages, not only on the topic. There's has been discussed this match has been listed on sportsbet.io and this mean the fight would high likely to happen. We only need to wait for both of them completing the contract, AFAIK the problem is about the share or profit percentage.

I don't understand why Mayweather and Pacquiao need be brought in this thread since both of them ever fight each other and it's not just ended as a rumor.

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Is this match up happening or what? This topic was created last May and up to now there is no confirmation that this will go ahead. This is like the making of Mayweather and Pacquiao. Mayweather had grown his balls only the moment Pacquiao lost to Bradley and ko'ed by Marquez. Pacquiao was younger than Mayweather but he went past his prime earlier maybe because of his energy consuming aggressive fighting style against Mayweather's more relax defensive style, jab, grab and hold style.

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Quote from: freedomgo on September 27, 2022, 12:10:20 PM

Quote from: Jawhead999 on September 27, 2022, 03:25:24 AM

Quote from: agustina2 on September 26, 2022, 03:32:10 PM

I didn't expect the distance of the odds. I thought neither Spence nor Crawford will be the Favorites, the odds for them is just close.

Crawford at 1.6 over Spence at 2.1 just shows that bookies looked at the former as Heavy Favorites and not just the usual Favorites.

It's not even a trap to consider but either way, I will still pick Spence to win this match.

I think when the date get closer until the fight will happen, Spence odds will be higher since many people will bet Crawford. Crawford currently become top 3 pound for pound while Spence is on top 4, though it's close, but a difference is still different.

I'll watch the odds, if the odds is really small of Crawford, I wouldn't bet him since it doesn't worth for the risk. I believe there's will be a rematch sooner or later regardless who's win here.

Too early to make some bets because both odds aren't that appealing yet, and it's not yet tempting me to place some bets. The date of the fight is not yet final as we are still waiting for some finals details regarding this fight, so in any case, the odds will change up until the day of the fight. And expect that there will be rematch too, it's hard seeing an undisputed fight without a rematch from the defeated camp.

Of course, doesn't make sense to bet this early because the odds are not appealing for us. Unless you are a big fa of either boxer and willing to throw thousands of dollars this early just to get ahead of the game.

But for sure once there is a official announcement, there could be some swing bets. However, I'm not seeing any change in the odds, Crawford will remain the favorite in this fight. Just a matter how big the gap will be and then us, how are we going to take advantage about those odds. And then what kind of betting we are going to do when the other options are open to us.

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Quote from: freedomgo on September 27, 2022, 12:10:20 PM

Quote from: Jawhead999 on September 27, 2022, 03:25:24 AM

Quote from: agustina2 on September 26, 2022, 03:32:10 PM

I didn't expect the distance of the odds. I thought neither Spence nor Crawford will be the Favorites, the odds for them is just close.

Crawford at 1.6 over Spence at 2.1 just shows that bookies looked at the former as Heavy Favorites and not just the usual Favorites.

It's not even a trap to consider but either way, I will still pick Spence to win this match.

I think when the date get closer until the fight will happen, Spence odds will be higher since many people will bet Crawford. Crawford currently become top 3 pound for pound while Spence is on top 4, though it's close, but a difference is still different.

I'll watch the odds, if the odds is really small of Crawford, I wouldn't bet him since it doesn't worth for the risk. I believe there's will be a rematch sooner or later regardless who's win here.

Too early to make some bets because both odds aren't that appealing yet, and it's not yet tempting me to place some bets. The date of the fight is not yet final as we are still waiting for some finals details regarding this fight, so in any case, the odds will change up until the day of the fight. And expect that there will be rematch too, it's hard seeing an undisputed fight without a rematch from the defeated camp.

A friend is challenging me for a bet but I did not say yes right away because all I have seen are speculations of the fight as there are no showing or posting the fight will happen because the contract has been signed, they need to show us this first because all the betting sites are speculating on the fight, and on the rematch, it depends on what kind of fight they are going to show us if it's a close fight a rematch is desirable if it's very dominant by the other fighter then ticket sales is not desirable and they will have to think of a rematch right away.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on September 27, 2022, 03:25:24 AM

Quote from: agustina2 on September 26, 2022, 03:32:10 PM

I didn't expect the distance of the odds. I thought neither Spence nor Crawford will be the Favorites, the odds for them is just close.

Crawford at 1.6 over Spence at 2.1 just shows that bookies looked at the former as Heavy Favorites and not just the usual Favorites.

It's not even a trap to consider but either way, I will still pick Spence to win this match.

I think when the date get closer until the fight will happen, Spence odds will be higher since many people will bet Crawford. Crawford currently become top 3 pound for pound while Spence is on top 4, though it's close, but a difference is still different.

I'll watch the odds, if the odds is really small of Crawford, I wouldn't bet him since it doesn't worth for the risk. I believe there's will be a rematch sooner or later regardless who's win here.

Too early to make some bets because both odds aren't that appealing yet, and it's not yet tempting me to place some bets. The date of the fight is not yet final as we are still waiting for some finals details regarding this fight, so in any case, the odds will change up until the day of the fight. And expect that there will be rematch too, it's hard seeing an undisputed fight without a rematch from the defeated camp.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on September 26, 2022, 05:23:53 AM

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Quote from: mirakal on September 24, 2022, 01:53:28 PM

I also believe that Bud Crawford have the higher hand in this fight, the man is fearless and could break mountains if he has to. While Spence here is clearly trying to drag the schedule because he knows that Crawford won't be the same as time goes by.

I don't think Spence is avoiding Crawford to expect that the latter won't be the same as time goes by.

While Crawford is catching age, the same for Spence too. Bud is 34 years old while The Truth is 32 years old. I don't think there's a big difference in their strength or having a huge gap in their skills with that 2 years difference in their age.

While Bud is building a legacy, Spence is a businessman. He wants to make sure that he will get the most share of every fight. If he fight Crawford before, he might end up taking the small share of the purse split that's why he established his career first and build his reputation to become the PPV King.

It's probably not about the age gap because it's not that too far, it's not like GGG vs Canelo, and Pacman vs Ugas. There's a big reason why this fight is still not announced until now, the number 1 reason is probably the split of the money, and I have a feeling hyping this fight would not help anymore in order to make it happen.

Age is not a factor yet in this fight, even a 34 years old is still young and can give a lot of hardships to its foe mainly if his name is Terence Crawford.

I still didn't get why the fight is still not established yet because they already announced that they already had a verbal agreement but it's been a week already since that information surfaced. Why is it taking so long to get that final announcement in this undisputed fight? Although I believe they are already past the point where they are still argue about the purse split.

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Quote from: goinmerry on September 26, 2022, 06:59:30 PM

Quote from: Japinat on September 26, 2022, 05:46:26 PM

Let's say if Boxer A dominated the whole fight and knocked out Boxer B, will the camp and promoter of Boxer B activate a rematch even if they know that there chances is already small?

In that particular situation, I think Boxer B will still activate the rematch clause even if they know the chances are small. There's a preparation for that in the first place. Aside from that, Boxer B and his camp will never ever think that their winning chance is small.

Almost every loser wants a rematch as they want to get their revenge. Even Boxer B will have a small share of the purse split, as stated on the rematch clause, that's still a good contract to consider. And if they won, a big recognition and will open for another good contract in a possible trilogy.

Yes and just like what I stated in my past quote, the Boxer B's camp can still do whatever they think best for their boxer whether they want to activate it or not. Also, health can be an issue if they will pursue a fight that has been proven already as in that specific situation, Boxing A already knocked out Boxer B, so that means there still a high chance that it will be repeated again.

Anyway, this fight is different because Spence and Crawford have a different situation, Crawford might win the 1st fight but he will be at disadvantage if a rematch or trilogy will take longer before it'll happen and that's expected because he is already getting older and in fact, Crawford will turn 35 tomorrow.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on September 27, 2022, 03:25:24 AM

Quote from: agustina2 on September 26, 2022, 03:32:10 PM

I didn't expect the distance of the odds. I thought neither Spence nor Crawford will be the Favorites, the odds for them is just close.

Crawford at 1.6 over Spence at 2.1 just shows that bookies looked at the former as Heavy Favorites and not just the usual Favorites.

It's not even a trap to consider but either way, I will still pick Spence to win this match.

I think when the date get closer until the fight will happen, Spence odds will be higher since many people will bet Crawford. Crawford currently become top 3 pound for pound while Spence is on top 4, though it's close, but a difference is still different.

I'll watch the odds, if the odds is really small of Crawford, I wouldn't bet him since it doesn't worth for the risk. I believe there's will be a rematch sooner or later regardless who's win here.

Odds are based on fans' expectations, and it only says that despite Spence having more belts, it still did not make him better in the eyes of the fans, so I'm not surprised with the odds and I'm willing to take Crawford as the winner even with 1.60.

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