[Boxing] Errol Spence Jr vs. Yordenis Ugas 3-Belt Welterweight Unification Match - page 11.

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I don't find it hard to predict because the betting odds clearly say that Spence is the heavy favorite. It's only hard to believe if you believe that Ugas has a decent chance of winning, if not, then you know who is gonna win the fight.

Unless you have determined a pro-win for one of the boxers then you will judge the exception for the opponent, the prediction was exactly in the Ugas vs Manny Pacquiao match in the last match, because there was no chance for Ugas to win, but in the end Ugas won based on numbers. I'm still neutral in judging the two boxers, maybe I can determine the potential winner after fighting after three rounds.

I would not say there was no chance for Ugas to win in the Ugas vs Manny Pacquiao match. Although I really have to give respect where respect is given, Manny Pacquiao did defend his WBA welterweight title. Ugas may have thrown roughly half as many punches as Pacquiao, but his blows were more precise and more effective. So I would not call that "no chance". Ugas quit boxing for two yearrs halfway through the last 10 years, but revitalized his career and then got his best chance by earning his 12th victory in his last 13 fights.

Can't call that "no chance"

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on March 29, 2022, 09:22:30 AM

I don't find it hard to predict because the betting odds clearly say that Spence is the heavy favorite. It's only hard to believe if you believe that Ugas has a decent chance of winning, if not, then you know who is gonna win the fight.

Unless you have determined a pro-win for one of the boxers then you will judge the exception for the opponent, the prediction was exactly in the Ugas vs Manny Pacquiao match in the last match, because there was no chance for Ugas to win, but in the end Ugas won based on numbers. I'm still neutral in judging the two boxers, maybe I can determine the potential winner after fighting after three rounds.

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Knowing the class of Spence, he will attack and take chances of breaking his opponent's defenses. If Ugas breakout, his chance will be slim as Spence can overpower him by throwing solid punches around.

On the other hand, if Ugas stays calm and keeps his defense strong, then Spence might be upset and could probably lose his focus on his game plan. Ugas wasn't popular until he dominated Pacman, but the big question now is, can he do it again against Spence?

That's why this fight is really going to be very interesting as it's hard to predict the outcome although Spence is the favorite to win.

There' are a lot of possible scenarios that might happen in this fight. Spence being the aggressor and then Ugas shielding himself and then doing some counter. And the fight is possible to end up in the judges scorecard that we might see a split decision.

I don't find it hard to predict because the betting odds clearly say that Spence is the heavy favorite. It's only hard to believe if you believe that Ugas has a decent chance of winning, if not, then you know who is gonna win the fight.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 28, 2022, 01:36:55 PM

Knowing the class of Spence, he will attack and take chances of breaking his opponent's defenses. If Ugas breakout, his chance will be slim as Spence can overpower him by throwing solid punches around.

On the other hand, if Ugas stays calm and keeps his defense strong, then Spence might be upset and could probably lose his focus on his game plan. Ugas wasn't popular until he dominated Pacman, but the big question now is, can he do it again against Spence?

That's why this fight is really going to be very interesting as it's hard to predict the outcome although Spence is the favorite to win.

There' are a lot of possible scenarios that might happen in this fight. Spence being the aggressor and then Ugas shielding himself and then doing some counter. And the fight is possible to end up in the judges scorecard that we might see a split decision.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 28, 2022, 01:36:55 PM

Knowing the class of Spence, he will attack and take chances of breaking his opponent's defenses. If Ugas breakout, his chance will be slim as Spence can overpower him by throwing solid punches around.

On the other hand, if Ugas stays calm and keeps his defense strong, then Spence might be upset and could probably lose his focus on his game plan. Ugas wasn't popular until he dominated Pacman, but the big question now is, can he do it again against Spence?

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Good for the fans who are waiting for these two fighters in finally meet inside the ring, if Spence and Crawford's camp sealed the deal after Ugas (if Spence wins), like what most of us are waiting, taking all the belts in this division would be great before moving to another division. We don't know though if Spence will win, but one thing is for sure whoever wins the fight and has that desire to take all the belts will take Crawford and settle everything.

Spence really needs to take care of business with Ugas for that Crawford fight to happen. The moment that fans are waiting to meet these boxers at the ring facing off will all be wrecked if Ugas will win the fight. Crawford has no reason now to call out Spence to face him.

I'm not really siding on for one boxer here to win the fight. I do see Spence has all the advantages to win but not seeing Ugas is a heavy underdog even the odds provided for them is really wide. I still see Ugas has a chance to upset Spence with the right timing and strategy.

If Ugas will win, he will shock the boxing world for sure. It's unexpected and nowhere to have a big chance to happen as looked at by the majority.

That is if Spence Jr will really win against Ugas, an underdog but risky opponent to face with. Surely Ugas will test him after his inactivity and with all those surgery in his eyes, it might be a dangerous one but surely Ugas will aim for that for a higher chance of winning the fight.

I'm also sure that Spence have prepared to take the risk for his fight, he cannot be so aggressive because of his eye injury in the past but we know that they already got some techniques for it to somehow minimize that risk.

And if ever Spence will succeed, then a Spence vs Crawford fight won't be inevitable anymore.

Accomplishing this fight against Ugas will be a tough road to take for Spence, that medical concern in his eyes might be cured but it can also be an opportunity to Ugas to irrate Spence by keep aiming punches to that place, it will bring Spence to be more aggressive and maybe a possible miscalculations and have some openings.

Ugas needs to work out and find some open shots aside from covering his vital parts.

Knowing the class of Spence, he will attack and take chances of breaking his opponent's defenses. If Ugas breakout, his chance will be slim as Spence can overpower him by throwing solid punches around.

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Quote from: chaser15 on March 27, 2022, 04:47:35 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on March 27, 2022, 11:55:51 AM

Good for the fans who are waiting for these two fighters in finally meet inside the ring, if Spence and Crawford's camp sealed the deal after Ugas (if Spence wins), like what most of us are waiting, taking all the belts in this division would be great before moving to another division. We don't know though if Spence will win, but one thing is for sure whoever wins the fight and has that desire to take all the belts will take Crawford and settle everything.

Spence really needs to take care of business with Ugas for that Crawford fight to happen. The moment that fans are waiting to meet these boxers at the ring facing off will all be wrecked if Ugas will win the fight. Crawford has no reason now to call out Spence to face him.

I'm not really siding on for one boxer here to win the fight. I do see Spence has all the advantages to win but not seeing Ugas is a heavy underdog even the odds provided for them is really wide. I still see Ugas has a chance to upset Spence with the right timing and strategy.

If Ugas will win, he will shock the boxing world for sure. It's unexpected and nowhere to have a big chance to happen as looked at by the majority.

That is if Spence Jr will really win against Ugas, an underdog but risky opponent to face with. Surely Ugas will test him after his inactivity and with all those surgery in his eyes, it might be a dangerous one but surely Ugas will aim for that for a higher chance of winning the fight.

I'm also sure that Spence have prepared to take the risk for his fight, he cannot be so aggressive because of his eye injury in the past but we know that they already got some techniques for it to somehow minimize that risk.

And if ever Spence will succeed, then a Spence vs Crawford fight won't be inevitable anymore.

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He does not need to call on Crawford because Crawford has been calling him already, Spence just agree to the fight and this big fight will be settled.

Even Crawford didn't make a call even before, there were currently 3 boxers left to settle the unification match at 147 lbs and that was Ugas, Spence, and Crawford. It's a must that all these boxers will meet regardless of who will win on their assigned match.

The only thing that Spence will skip the fight against Crawford, in case the former won against Ugas, is when he decides to move up a weight and vacant his hold titles.

Fortunately, Spence will likely face Crawford after the fight, if won of course, since just recently, he said he got 2 more fights at 147 then he will move up.

Good for the fans who are waiting for these two fighters in finally meet inside the ring, if Spence and Crawford's camp sealed the deal after Ugas (if Spence wins), like what most of us are waiting, taking all the belts in this division would be great before moving to another division. We don't know though if Spence will win, but one thing is for sure whoever wins the fight and has that desire to take all the belts will take Crawford and settle everything.

They should give what the fans like to see, they are both undefeated, it's embarrassing if they will retire at that status while they didn't fight each other who are the best in their division. Losing is not a bad thing as long as you entertain the fans, and that's probably what Thurman did when he fought Pacman which Crawford and Spence did not challenge him when he was still younger.

It was due to certain circumstances that Thurman didn't fight both of them. If I'm not mistaken, Crawford is fighting at 140 lbs back then and then Spence is just trying to build up his name. And then Thurman got injured, sideline for years, while Spence and Crawford are making big fights and winning belts in the 147 lbs. And then pandemic strike, Thurman losses to Pacman. But now all of this three great welterweight can slugged it out and see who is the last man standing.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 27, 2022, 11:55:51 AM

Good for the fans who are waiting for these two fighters in finally meet inside the ring, if Spence and Crawford's camp sealed the deal after Ugas (if Spence wins), like what most of us are waiting, taking all the belts in this division would be great before moving to another division. We don't know though if Spence will win, but one thing is for sure whoever wins the fight and has that desire to take all the belts will take Crawford and settle everything.

Spence really needs to take care of business with Ugas for that Crawford fight to happen. The moment that fans are waiting to meet these boxers at the ring facing off will all be wrecked if Ugas will win the fight. Crawford has no reason now to call out Spence to face him.

I'm not really siding on for one boxer here to win the fight. I do see Spence has all the advantages to win but not seeing Ugas is a heavy underdog even the odds provided for them is really wide. I still see Ugas has a chance to upset Spence with the right timing and strategy.

If Ugas will win, he will shock the boxing world for sure. It's unexpected and nowhere to have a big chance to happen as looked at by the majority.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 27, 2022, 11:55:51 AM

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Quote from: Russlenat on March 27, 2022, 07:30:55 AM

He does not need to call on Crawford because Crawford has been calling him already, Spence just agree to the fight and this big fight will be settled.

Even Crawford didn't make a call even before, there were currently 3 boxers left to settle the unification match at 147 lbs and that was Ugas, Spence, and Crawford. It's a must that all these boxers will meet regardless of who will win on their assigned match.

The only thing that Spence will skip the fight against Crawford, in case the former won against Ugas, is when he decides to move up a weight and vacant his hold titles.

Fortunately, Spence will likely face Crawford after the fight, if won of course, since just recently, he said he got 2 more fights at 147 then he will move up.

Good for the fans who are waiting for these two fighters in finally meet inside the ring, if Spence and Crawford's camp sealed the deal after Ugas (if Spence wins), like what most of us are waiting, taking all the belts in this division would be great before moving to another division. We don't know though if Spence will win, but one thing is for sure whoever wins the fight and has that desire to take all the belts will take Crawford and settle everything.

They should give what the fans like to see, they are both undefeated, it's embarrassing if they will retire at that status while they didn't fight each other who are the best in their division. Losing is not a bad thing as long as you entertain the fans, and that's probably what Thurman did when he fought Pacman which Crawford and Spence did not challenge him when he was still younger.

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Quote from: harizen on March 27, 2022, 11:17:36 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on March 27, 2022, 07:30:55 AM

He does not need to call on Crawford because Crawford has been calling him already, Spence just agree to the fight and this big fight will be settled.

Even Crawford didn't make a call even before, there were currently 3 boxers left to settle the unification match at 147 lbs and that was Ugas, Spence, and Crawford. It's a must that all these boxers will meet regardless of who will win on their assigned match.

The only thing that Spence will skip the fight against Crawford, in case the former won against Ugas, is when he decides to move up a weight and vacant his hold titles.

Fortunately, Spence will likely face Crawford after the fight, if won of course, since just recently, he said he got 2 more fights at 147 then he will move up.

Good for the fans who are waiting for these two fighters in finally meet inside the ring, if Spence and Crawford's camp sealed the deal after Ugas (if Spence wins), like what most of us are waiting, taking all the belts in this division would be great before moving to another division. We don't know though if Spence will win, but one thing is for sure whoever wins the fight and has that desire to take all the belts will take Crawford and settle everything.

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Quote from: Russlenat on March 27, 2022, 07:30:55 AM

He does not need to call on Crawford because Crawford has been calling him already, Spence just agree to the fight and this big fight will be settled.

Even Crawford didn't make a call even before, there were currently 3 boxers left to settle the unification match at 147 lbs and that was Ugas, Spence, and Crawford. It's a must that all these boxers will meet regardless of who will win on their assigned match.

The only thing that Spence will skip the fight against Crawford, in case the former won against Ugas, is when he decides to move up a weight and vacant his hold titles.

Fortunately, Spence will likely face Crawford after the fight, if won of course, since just recently, he said he got 2 more fights at 147 then he will move up.

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Moving to back to this upcoming fight, Spence may showcase again his skills to climb up and call for Crawford for his next fight.

His fight with Porter was quite not so impressive because he only won via split decision.
If he would do the same in this fight, I'm afraid, we might see a surprise because both boxers are champion and Ugas are good using his range.

Quote from: Fredomago on March 26, 2022, 01:28:52 PM

Another interesting fight after this, and another winner takes all and grabs all the belts in this division.

He does not need to call on Crawford because Crawford has been calling him already, Spence just agree to the fight and this big fight will be settled.

Then if that's the case that Crawford is just waiting for the agreement of Spence and his team to settle the big fight between them then I guess Spence should give his best in this upcoming fight of him against Yordenis Ugas. Yes both fighter are champions and I'm excited to see which of them will be the last stand at the end of the battle and if so Spence managed to win the game then maybe we will going to see Errol Spence vs. Crawford fight.

Spence will likely win in his coming fight, the question is, is he willing to fight Crawford? I've searched some articles online but I did not find an article stating that Spence is willing to fight Crawford, so it could be he is avoiding Crawford and just taking the fight on social media.

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Quote from: Russlenat on March 27, 2022, 07:30:55 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on March 26, 2022, 01:28:52 PM

Moving to back to this upcoming fight, Spence may showcase again his skills to climb up and call for Crawford for his next fight.

His fight with Porter was quite not so impressive because he only won via split decision.
If he would do the same in this fight, I'm afraid, we might see a surprise because both boxers are champion and Ugas are good using his range.

Quote from: Fredomago on March 26, 2022, 01:28:52 PM

Another interesting fight after this, and another winner takes all and grabs all the belts in this division.

He does not need to call on Crawford because Crawford has been calling him already, Spence just agree to the fight and this big fight will be settled.

Then if that's the case that Crawford is just waiting for the agreement of Spence and his team to settle the big fight between them then I guess Spence should give his best in this upcoming fight of him against Yordenis Ugas. Yes both fighter are champions and I'm excited to see which of them will be the last stand at the end of the battle and if so Spence managed to win the game then maybe we will going to see Errol Spence vs. Crawford fight.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 26, 2022, 01:28:52 PM

Moving to back to this upcoming fight, Spence may showcase again his skills to climb up and call for Crawford for his next fight.

His fight with Porter was quite not so impressive because he only won via split decision.
If he would do the same in this fight, I'm afraid, we might see a surprise because both boxers are champion and Ugas are good using his range.

Quote from: Fredomago on March 26, 2022, 01:28:52 PM

Another interesting fight after this, and another winner takes all and grabs all the belts in this division.

He does not need to call on Crawford because Crawford has been calling him already, Spence just agree to the fight and this big fight will be settled.

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Quote from: harizen on March 25, 2022, 06:57:36 PM

On point. Judges are not that dumb to not reward Ugas a fair result if it's a clear win for him.

It will become a controversy if they don't do their job. It's a big issue if ever Ugas really won the fight but Spence got it in the end. And in case of judges really won't be fair, the result can be contest and a reversal is possible to happen.

But I don't think it will end up that way. Judges will be fair and square and I believed one that.

Yeah, the social media channels have a wide coverage being dumb will end their careers in case they will not give a fair scores for both fighters, the very reason why I would like to see a KO between these two boxers to avoid that kind of issues, but in case it's important for all the judges to give the right scores to the winning champ.

Moving to back to this upcoming fight, Spence may showcase again his skills to climb up and call for Crawford for his next fight.

Another interesting fight after this, and another winner takes all and grabs all the belts in this division.

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If Ugas can do it again on Spence, it's good. But Spence won't make it happen. Odds just tell us the gap between these two. It's the same odds when Ugas becomes the replacement of Spence to fight Pacquiao.

With the same strategy, I don't think it would work on Spence.

Spence is taller and with a longer reach, so in order for Ugas to hurt Spence, he should be aggressive and look for a good counter punch as Spence is very aggressive as hell. Maybe there are lots of doubts regarding Spence health, but we can still not deny that he remains undefeated despite of that.

Right, just one factor to look at Spence in the beginning, ring rust plus the eye injury, if this two issues are not there in the fight then he has a good chance to win against Ugas.

But if he is bother by both, specially like very conscious in protecting his eye, then maybe Ugas can fine an opening and make it a good fight for Spence. So it's very important for Ugas early to try and keep the fight to Spence and really test if he is worry about this health specially that eye of his.

Ring rust is the least of his problems and that issue can be solved by heavy sparring and trainings. However his eye injury still portrays a risk even if he got a successful surgery last August 2021 because a simple bad punch on his eye is really risky and may cost him his career as the doctors have said. Read here

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He needs to think fast while inside the ring, and have alternatives with the techniques.
If one doesn't work, he should easily switch to another one. Otherwise, Spence Jr will win easily.
Being the underdog here, he should be more aggressive to show what he's got.
KO or not, he should think strategically to get ahead of the game, otherwise, those 3 belts are gone.

Too many strategies will just ruin Ugas' fighting style. Why not just enhanced his specialty? No need to switch.

The goal is to get the most points per round. KO should not be the target as Spence is a big wall that I think no way to be KO even against Terence Crawford.

These boxers already know what to do once they fight each other. We should have to watch.

Yeah, I don't think that Ugas will tailor fit his style and adjust for this fight, he will remain a counter puncher and will play defense. He could score points per round, and if there is a KO (that I doubt), then he might go for it. If not, try to make the fight very close to the judges eye and maybe he can sway 1 or 2 in his favor per round and then build his score and points. The fight is getting nearer, and we will see them more often in the media now to promote their upcoming fight and maybe we will hear what are their strategies.

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The adjustment from Ugas will be the exciting thing that may happen here, if he can take those solid punches and throw also a good heavy counter to bring Spence down..

That's what I like to see from him, however, I think the chance is very low because his counter punch is not to damage the opponent but for him to only score and win the fight. If his counter is solid, he could have knock-out Pacman in his last fight when the legend could not even move like his usual.

A win is a win though. If that's his style, then just focus on it instead of pushing for a Knock Out win. Even we think that judges will be side with Spence, Ugas just have to make sure that he steals every round and the viewers really see that Spence is struggling.

Judges will have a fair result if that's the scene they will see, Ugas dominating Spence every round.

Tough work but necessary to do. It's hard to KO Spence so go with the other way around if necessary.

True, I don't see anyone knocking out Spence as this point, I wouldn't say that he has a good chin, but it has been crack, there are fights of him that he was hit in the chin, didn't go down but wobble.

And I doubt that Ugas has the power to knock him out, it will be a deliberate fight on Ugas, that will be his strategy, wait for Spence to make a mistake and then counter and score points. It's just how the judges will score the fight, if they score it for Ugas on a per round then good. For sure, boxing pundits will call it a robbery if they see the winner not deserving specially fight of this magnitude.

On point. Judges are not that dumb to not reward Ugas a fair result if it's a clear win for him.

It will become a controversy if they don't do their job. It's a big issue if ever Ugas really won the fight but Spence got it in the end. And in case of judges really won't be fair, the result can be contest and a reversal is possible to happen.

But I don't think it will end up that way. Judges will be fair and square and I believed one that.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on March 25, 2022, 06:14:39 PM

He needs to think fast while inside the ring, and have alternatives with the techniques.
If one doesn't work, he should easily switch to another one. Otherwise, Spence Jr will win easily.
Being the underdog here, he should be more aggressive to show what he's got.
KO or not, he should think strategically to get ahead of the game, otherwise, those 3 belts are gone.

Too many strategies will just ruin Ugas' fighting style. Why not just enhanced his specialty? No need to switch.

The goal is to get the most points per round. KO should not be the target as Spence is a big wall that I think no way to be KO even against Terence Crawford.

These boxers already know what to do once they fight each other. We should have to watch.

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