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Pacquiao is really a special kind of boxer, and we don't know if we will see this kind of breed in the next 50 years or so. And I doubt that Casimero will be as half as what Pacquiao accomplished. So this is just a test for Casimero, if he wins in impressive or not so impressive fashion, it doesn't matter to Inoue though. Inoue has set his path to go up in Featherweight as reported after this fight.

You know what makes Pacquiao a legend? It’s his humility. He’s a beast in the ring, but he’s a humble person. He doesn’t need to show off or do anything to attract the attention of fans because he’s already loved by them. I even think Pacman is the greatest boxer in the world. Compared to Casimero, there’s a huge disparity in success. Casimero’s career is already declining, while Pacman, although retired, could easily make millions if he did an exhibition fight. The closest to Pacman now is Inoue, but I doubt he’ll ever reach Pacman’s level because Inoue isn’t as aggressive in moving up in weight classes like Pacman was.
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If this speculation is true, why would Bob Arum and Top Rank Boxing talk to them?
Bob isn’t new to the business, and the fact that he partnered with a promoter in Japan and that most of Inoue's fights have taken place there makes it clear that arranging this fight is not impossible. If they are genuinely interested, they could make it happen, settling things once and for all before Inoue moves up.
This might be very regretful statement, however, I reckon that Casimero will retire with no challenges against the champions or challenges against the best boxers in his weight divisions.
It’s unfortunate, but it’s the reality of the situation. Casimero parting ways with MP Promotions seems to have been a misstep in his boxing career, and now he’s facing the consequences. Without the right backing, he’s not getting the matchups that would elevate him to become a mandatory challenger for Inoue. It’s a tough position to be in, and it’s sad to see his potential being hindered by these circumstances.

However, similar to what you have mentioned, it will certainly be very difficult for Casimero to get the fights that his career will need to become a deserving challenger for Naoya Inoue. This might not very much be important if the boxer is young and only on the beginning of his career. But this Casimero is old for a boxer and on the ending of his career.

Right, age is a big factor for boxers, as we all know that this is a contact sports, and it's really hard to continue up to you 40's and still remain on top. And from what we have seen since John Riel move up to 122 lbs he is not the same boxer anymore. And maybe he knows that, that's why he keeps on taunting Inoue up to this day so that he will get the biggest paycheck for his career. But Inoue is no longer interested on fighting him.

Also, there might be fans of Casimero who will mention Pacman and Casimero might also continue to fight in his 40s. I will be shaking my head in this argument because Pacman a different type of boxer and a different type of person. Casimero might fight in his 40s, however, will he get a victory similar to Pacman against Broner or Thurman? Casimero will not, I reckon.

Pacquiao is really a special kind of boxer, and we don't know if we will see this kind of breed in the next 50 years or so. And I doubt that Casimero will be as half as what Pacquiao accomplished. So this is just a test for Casimero, if he wins in impressive or not so impressive fashion, it doesn't matter to Inoue though. Inoue has set his path to go up in Featherweight as reported after this fight.
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If this speculation is true, why would Bob Arum and Top Rank Boxing talk to them?
Bob isn’t new to the business, and the fact that he partnered with a promoter in Japan and that most of Inoue's fights have taken place there makes it clear that arranging this fight is not impossible. If they are genuinely interested, they could make it happen, settling things once and for all before Inoue moves up.
This might be very regretful statement, however, I reckon that Casimero will retire with no challenges against the champions or challenges against the best boxers in his weight divisions.
It’s unfortunate, but it’s the reality of the situation. Casimero parting ways with MP Promotions seems to have been a misstep in his boxing career, and now he’s facing the consequences. Without the right backing, he’s not getting the matchups that would elevate him to become a mandatory challenger for Inoue. It’s a tough position to be in, and it’s sad to see his potential being hindered by these circumstances.

However, similar to what you have mentioned, it will certainly be very difficult for Casimero to get the fights that his career will need to become a deserving challenger for Naoya Inoue. This might not very much be important if the boxer is young and only on the beginning of his career. But this Casimero is old for a boxer and on the ending of his career.

Also, there might be fans of Casimero who will mention Pacman and Casimero might also continue to fight in his 40s. I will be shaking my head in this argument because Pacman a different type of boxer and a different type of person. Casimero might fight in his 40s, however, will he get a victory similar to Pacman against Broner or Thurman? Casimero will not, I reckon.
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Here are the records for these 2 boxers.
I remember the last fight of Casimero to Fillipus Nghitumbwa, I won a good amount even though the odds were not that good for me, but a win is still a win.

Now, the height and reach are in favor of Sual Sanchez but I don't mind it, it's a small advantage. I'm going with Casimero for this fight.

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I doubt that this would be an easy fight for Casimero as he is on a decline. He might win but not impressive judging on his last few fights that he struggled against fighters who were not too talented. He is already 35 years old if i'm not mistaken so there is only a few fights ahead of him and i will consider him super lucky if he lands a fight with the Japanese Monster Inoue.
Hahaha, I am also excited to see Inoue vs Casimero because I always see a lot of comments in social media about Casimero vs Inoue, some fellow Filipinos are making fun of Casimero about fighting with Inoue like he can't beat the Japanese and some also telling, Inoue must fight outside the Japan.
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Casimero vs Sanchez should be an easy win for Casimero and of course this is indeed an opportunity for Casimero to start restore his name as it used be when he was one of the best boxers.
By defeating Sanchez and having more fights in the future, it might also be an opportunity for Casimero to face Inoue as he has always wanted, but in several attempts at meetings that could have happened before, Inoue refused to fight Casimero.
For the fight against Sanchez later I still believe that Casimero will be the favorite, but if this fight ends with Casimero defeat, then it is clear that he will have difficulty getting place as one of the boxers who is worthy of being challenger for Inoue in the future.

I doubt that this would be an easy fight for Casimero as he is on a decline. He might win but not impressive judging on his last few fights that he struggled against fighters who were not too talented. He is already 35 years old if i'm not mistaken so there is only a few fights ahead of him and i will consider him super lucky if he lands a fight with the Japanese Monster Inoue.
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This might be very regretful statement, however, I reckon that Casimero will retire with no challenges against the champions or challenges against the best boxers in his weight divisions.
yeah, the guy lost a lot of momentum in his career after he failed his weigh-in resulting in him missing out on the fight with Butler and getting stripped of his Title belt. I was rooting for him to get the fight that he wanted with Inoue and finally see the two fighters have a match but sadly Casimero couldn't deliver.
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Casimero vs Sanchez should be an easy win for Casimero and of course this is indeed an opportunity for Casimero to start restore his name as it used be when he was one of the best boxers.
By defeating Sanchez and having more fights in the future, it might also be an opportunity for Casimero to face Inoue as he has always wanted, but in several attempts at meetings that could have happened before, Inoue refused to fight Casimero.
For the fight against Sanchez later I still believe that Casimero will be the favorite, but if this fight ends with Casimero defeat, then it is clear that he will have difficulty getting place as one of the boxers who is worthy of being challenger for Inoue in the future.

Don't know about how the state of conditioning of Casimero since if we really base it on comparison between both of them we can safely say that he have all the advantage and most likely gonna take a win in this bout.

But if he really want to get a easy win for this fight much really better if he properly enhance his stamina since so far for many times he fight recently this is a serious issue his facing since he's easily get tired and that's dangerous if he's opponent will take advantage in that situation. There's no doubt that Casimero is heavy favorite here since Sanchez is not actually a big threat for him. But who knows maybe we can see an expected things in their match up. People still hoping to see a Inoue vs Casimero fight since this is unfinished business so far in boxing scene.
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Casimero vs Sanchez should be an easy win for Casimero and of course this is indeed an opportunity for Casimero to start restore his name as it used be when he was one of the best boxers.

He had to hurry up if he wanted to restore his name to be one of the best, time is running out for his as he is already 35 years old.

By defeating Sanchez and having more fights in the future, it might also be an opportunity for Casimero to face Inoue as he has always wanted, but in several attempts at meetings that could have happened before, Inoue refused to fight Casimero.

Probably, but he has to show us something to believed that Casimero is still at his prime. But as we see when he goes up in weight at 122 lbs, it was like a different version of Casimero. And in his fights, it always ended in controversy and even if he wins, there are no highlight knockouts that we used to see on him.

For the fight against Sanchez later I still believe that Casimero will be the favorite, but if this fight ends with Casimero defeat, then it is clear that he will have difficulty getting place as one of the boxers who is worthy of being challenger for Inoue in the future.

Yes, he can still be the favorite and hopefully it can translate into a big win for him. However, if there is another controversy and or if he wins but it's another so-so performance, he is out already for a fight for Inoue.
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Casimero vs Sanchez should be an easy win for Casimero and of course this is indeed an opportunity for Casimero to start restore his name as it used be when he was one of the best boxers.
By defeating Sanchez and having more fights in the future, it might also be an opportunity for Casimero to face Inoue as he has always wanted, but in several attempts at meetings that could have happened before, Inoue refused to fight Casimero.
For the fight against Sanchez later I still believe that Casimero will be the favorite, but if this fight ends with Casimero defeat, then it is clear that he will have difficulty getting place as one of the boxers who is worthy of being challenger for Inoue in the future.
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It's really unfortunate to see his career going down in my opinion. Once he move up to super bantamweight, controversial first fight, and if I'm not mistaken, he even had a fight in Manila to showcase his talents to his fans, he he didn't live up to the expectations as he was not able to knock out him out.

Perhaps @Darker45 might have seen this video about John Riel Casimero.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzGBg0V4VbM

Thanks for sharing the video. I just watched it, and I think it makes sense what the narrator is talking about. I find it unlikely for Casimero to become a champion again, but as a fan who wants to see some real action, I would like to see Inoue vs. Casimero finally happen. These two were supposed to fight if not for the pandemic, and when things returned to normal, Inoue just ignored Casimero and continued to build his legacy by dominating every opponent he faced.

I saw that fight Casimero was struggling in that fight, he was trying to impress his fans but he could not keep up with his opponent, the guy has a solid chin but still managed to win via unanimous decision, not the best version of Casimero but still has the sting in his punches.

I believe Casimero is still in contention to become a champion. His only loss was seven years ago, and his first knockdown was eight years ago. He always dominates his opponent, so unless we see him struggling and getting beaten up, Casimero still has a chance to become a World Champion.
Definitely, I do believed that Casimero might contend and even become a world champion again, but the road is getting harder for him, while he was taunting Inoue for many years now, Inoue just go and beat everyone, becoming 2 divisional unified champion while Casimero was the opposite.

And it like that faith doesn't want this two to fight and so as fans we are missing and as you have said, fans are going to be intrigue, but that's it. Hopefully Casimero will have a good performance and showing. And if I'm Casimero, I wouldn't talk to much of Inoue, if Naoya goes up then that division is open for him to take over, that is if he is still have the time as he is already 35 years old and most likely father time is catching up.
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It's really unfortunate to see his career going down in my opinion. Once he move up to super bantamweight, controversial first fight, and if I'm not mistaken, he even had a fight in Manila to showcase his talents to his fans, he he didn't live up to the expectations as he was not able to knock out him out.

Perhaps @Darker45 might have seen this video about John Riel Casimero.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzGBg0V4VbM

Thanks for sharing the video. I just watched it, and I think it makes sense what the narrator is talking about. I find it unlikely for Casimero to become a champion again, but as a fan who wants to see some real action, I would like to see Inoue vs. Casimero finally happen. These two were supposed to fight if not for the pandemic, and when things returned to normal, Inoue just ignored Casimero and continued to build his legacy by dominating every opponent he faced.

I saw that fight Casimero was struggling in that fight, he was trying to impress his fans but he could not keep up with his opponent, the guy has a solid chin but still managed to win via unanimous decision, not the best version of Casimero but still has the sting in his punches.

I believe Casimero is still in contention to become a champion. His only loss was seven years ago, and his first knockdown was eight years ago. He always dominates his opponent, so unless we see him struggling and getting beaten up, Casimero still has a chance to become a World Champion.
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Casimero is now more of a Jake Paul, YouTuber first boxer second rather than a boxer who also happens to have a YouTube channel. It seems what's left of Casimero today is his loud mouth. I hope I'm wrong.

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IMO, Casimero is still a great fighter, but he's been unlucky in the past with some of his fights ending in no contest or a draw. However, I'm sure this time will be different since Saul Sanchez is not Japanese, so he won't try to fake anything like being good at acting. Also, the ref might be fairer this time, so we have a decent chance of seeing Casimero win via knockout. Hopefully, if Casimero is interviewed and challenges Inoue, we'll hear an answer of YES.

It's really unfortunate to see his career going down in my opinion. Once he move up to super bantamweight, controversial first fight, and if I'm not mistaken, he even had a fight in Manila to showcase his talents to his fans, he he didn't live up to the expectations as he was not able to knock out him out.

Perhaps @Darker45 might have seen this video about John Riel Casimero.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzGBg0V4VbM

Thanks for sharing the video. I just watched it, and I think it makes sense what the narrator is talking about. I find it unlikely for Casimero to become a champion again, but as a fan who wants to see some real action, I would like to see Inoue vs. Casimero finally happen. These two were supposed to fight if not for the pandemic, and when things returned to normal, Inoue just ignored Casimero and continued to build his legacy by dominating every opponent he faced.
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Casimero is now more of a Jake Paul, YouTuber first boxer second rather than a boxer who also happens to have a YouTube channel. It seems what's left of Casimero today is his loud mouth. I hope I'm wrong.

You will be wrong.  Smiley

IMO, Casimero is still a great fighter, but he's been unlucky in the past with some of his fights ending in no contest or a draw. However, I'm sure this time will be different since Saul Sanchez is not Japanese, so he won't try to fake anything like being good at acting. Also, the ref might be fairer this time, so we have a decent chance of seeing Casimero win via knockout. Hopefully, if Casimero is interviewed and challenges Inoue, we'll hear an answer of YES.

It's really unfortunate to see his career going down in my opinion. Once he move up to super bantamweight, controversial first fight, and if I'm not mistaken, he even had a fight in Manila to showcase his talents to his fans, he he didn't live up to the expectations as he was not able to knock out him out.

Perhaps @Darker45 might have seen this video about John Riel Casimero.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzGBg0V4VbM
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Even if he knocks out Saul Sanchez, I do not think that Inoue will be interested on him anymore. Naoya even skip Murodjon Akhmadaliev, a much tougher opponent than Inoue if I'm not mistaken.

Naoya just wanted a easy last fight at super bantamweight that's why he chooses TJ as his last. So even Casimero wins, Inoue will move up in weight class. It will be good for this contender though as all the belts are going to be open and maybe for the last time, Casimero will become a champion at super bantamweight.

Boxing fans will be intrigued and there will be hanging questions about what will be the outcome if the fight between Casimero and Inoue materializes, so it will just fuel the discussion between the two, Casimero is pressured to win this fight and he must win it dramatically like knocking him out in the early rounds.
Because he's been bragging that he can beat and knock out Inoue, he will end up a laughing stock if he has a hard time against Saul who is considered not on his level.
If Inoue leaves the Super Welterweight and Casimero has a good showing in this fight he might end up ruling this division, so the discussion between the two will continue if this scenario happens.

Yes, I do understand, there will be a lot of "what if" in our mind as a boxing fans. But if you look at it, it's all Casimero's fault, if he just make the weight against Butler and win that fight then he will have the last belt that Inoue is targeting.

So by all sense, they could have fought already, but that's history and Butler lost to Inoue and then Inoue becoming a unified champion at 118 lbs. And then Casimero moves up in hoping that he can fight Inoue at super bantamweight, but he had fight that is controversial and not impressive and so I'm seeing that even if he knocks out Sanchez, Inoue is not going to be looking for him anymore as he has nothing to offer. It will be good though if Casimero will become a champion when Inoue vacated all his belt and move to Featherweight.
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I really don't understand much about business and boxing matches, but if Bob teamed up with a promoter in Japan and most of Inoue's fights took place there, then maybe he could organize this fight. If they're really interested, they could pull this off, settle things once and for all before Inoue moves up to the next tier.


They are not going to do that because they know Casimero is a big threat to Inoue. Instead, they'll likely move up after Inoue's fight and try to challenge the champions. Casimero hasn't been very impressive in his recent fights, so some might say he doesn't deserve to fight Inoue. But why isn't Inoue fighting a mandatory challenger in his upcoming fight?
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I really don't understand much about business and boxing matches, but if Bob teamed up with a promoter in Japan and most of Inoue's fights took place there, then maybe he could organize this fight. If they're really interested, they could pull this off, settle things once and for all before Inoue moves up to the next tier.
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If this speculation is true, why would Bob Arum and Top Rank Boxing talk to them?
Bob isn’t new to the business, and the fact that he partnered with a promoter in Japan and that most of Inoue's fights have taken place there makes it clear that arranging this fight is not impossible. If they are genuinely interested, they could make it happen, settling things once and for all before Inoue moves up.
This might be very regretful statement, however, I reckon that Casimero will retire with no challenges against the champions or challenges against the best boxers in his weight divisions.
It’s unfortunate, but it’s the reality of the situation. Casimero parting ways with MP Promotions seems to have been a misstep in his boxing career, and now he’s facing the consequences. Without the right backing, he’s not getting the matchups that would elevate him to become a mandatory challenger for Inoue. It’s a tough position to be in, and it’s sad to see his potential being hindered by these circumstances.
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Casimero is now more of a Jake Paul, YouTuber first boxer second rather than a boxer who also happens to have a YouTube channel. It seems what's left of Casimero today is his loud mouth. I hope I'm wrong.

You will be wrong.  Smiley

IMO, Casimero is still a great fighter, but he's been unlucky in the past with some of his fights ending in no contest or a draw. However, I'm sure this time will be different since Saul Sanchez is not Japanese, so he won't try to fake anything like being good at acting. Also, the ref might be fairer this time, so we have a decent chance of seeing Casimero win via knockout. Hopefully, if Casimero is interviewed and challenges Inoue, we'll hear an answer of YES.

Then we'd be both happy if I'm wrong.

Casimero isn't unlucky. He was lucky, on the contrary. He was provided with great opportunities. He was granted great fights. The problem is that he wasted them all. He missed them because of sheer arrogance, unprofessionalism, carelessness, negligence, and so on.
Perhaps we can call him unlucky, but his downfall began when he was dethroned as bantamweight champion. After moving up in weight, things haven't gone well, as he hasn't secured good fights. If we review his record again (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/421916), he hasn't lost since 2018. It's likely that he was given unfavorable matchups, possibly due to poor management by his promoter.

Beating Sanchez doesn't automatically make him a worthy opponent of Inoue. Who is Sanchez, after all? Was he even a world champion? Do you think a 10-rounder victory against a nobody makes Inoue notice him?
Given the current situation, that might be the case, but if Inoue had truly been interested in fighting Casimero, he would have pursued the match when they were both champions in the bantamweight division. Instead, it seemed like he was avoiding him.
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The fight will be in Japan and if Casimero has any hope of getting a fight against Naoya Inoue, he will have to win impressively by knockout against this opponent who is coming up in weight.
I doubt doing that would even make Inoue's team notice him last time I heard, Inoue's had lost interest with Casimero. As much as I like Casimero I feel like he lost his momentum and this 1 year break and his age doesn't really help him. if he wants to be considered as a potential challenger to Inoue he would need to fight more boxers. anyway, despite all I said I still hope he wins this fight.

Agreed. Also, who is this promoter of Casimero? Treasure Boxing? Who are the people behind this? It will not be very shocking if the owners of this have many tattoos covering their whole bodies hehehe. This might be a Yakuza promotion where they pay the boxers to manipulate the outcomes of the fights. If this speculation is true, why would Bob Arum and Top Rank Boxing talk to them?

This might be very regretful statement, however, I reckon that Casimero will retire with no challenges against the champions or challenges against the best boxers in his weight divisions.
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I don't know if this is even worth discussing about, especially if we don't drag along the name of Naoya. If there isn't a thread here dedicated to the next fights of the likes of Caleb Plant, for example, or Danny Garcia, then perhaps Casimero's 10-rounder comeback is also not that interesting.

I think the reason why this fight deserves a thread on its own is that Casimero is one of the best boxer coming from the Philippines at the moment and we have a lot of Pinoy users here who are also into boxing.

Casimero is now more of a Jake Paul, YouTuber first boxer second rather than a boxer who also happens to have a YouTube channel. It seems what's left of Casimero today is his loud mouth. I hope I'm wrong.

I share the same observation with you mate. I used to subscribe on Casimero's youtube channel and i could say that it seems that he is not very serious on his fights and all he does is bragging on his channel that is why i unsubscribe because i don't like anymore the loud mouth of him bragging that he will be the one to defeat Inoue.
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