[BOXING] Jonas Sultan vs Carlos Caraballo - October 30, 2021

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Quote from: Kasabus on November 03, 2021, 07:33:36 AM

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or.... an opposite thing might happen, what if Caraballo will find a way to adjust and instead will just use his advantage to box Sultan.

Well, that would be good and we might see a third fight to know who really is the better boxer.

I'm sure if they'll do a rematch the odds won't be too the same as the previous one, maybe we will be able to get 1.90 for either boxer and that would certainly make this fight more favorable to the bettors.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2021/10/28/22750933/carlos-caraballo-signs-with-top-rank-ahead-jonas-sultan-fight">Carlos Caraballo signs with Top Rank ahead of Jonas Sultan fight

Better to see the rematch, Arum would like to see the sentiments of the audience.,
If there are many interest that's comes up asking for this rematch it would be easier.
Both MP and Top Rank understand the money that flows inside this sport,

What is hot should be the one to be served. Both promoters will not let the opportunities to passed by.
They will surely talk about it if the demands are really high.

I would like to see how both fighters will adjust. This very tight fight still for anybody.
No one can tell who really has that edge, but will going to depend on how both fighters will prepare if a rematch will take place.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on November 03, 2021, 06:27:32 AM

or.... an opposite thing might happen, what if Caraballo will find a way to adjust and instead will just use his advantage to box Sultan.

Well, that would be good and we might see a third fight to know who really is the better boxer.

I'm sure if they'll do a rematch the odds won't be too the same as the previous one, maybe we will be able to get 1.90 for either boxer and that would certainly make this fight more favorable to the bettors.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2021/10/28/22750933/carlos-caraballo-signs-with-top-rank-ahead-jonas-sultan-fight">Carlos Caraballo signs with Top Rank ahead of Jonas Sultan fight

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 03, 2021, 03:29:50 AM

Quote from: Maslate on November 03, 2021, 02:16:06 AM

The rematch should happen as the fight is very close.

+1 here , the fight really amazing and the decision is tough to provide so i think rematch must take place and if Garaballo win then the decision fight must happen for finalization.

I also like to see a rematch, though Sultan put Caraballo down many times but the win is not yet convincing and for some it could be a controversial fight. If Sultan is really good, then he should win via KO as he already fought Caraballo and he will do better next time.

or.... an opposite thing might happen, what if Caraballo will find a way to adjust and instead will just use his advantage to box Sultan.

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Quote from: Maslate on November 03, 2021, 02:16:06 AM

The rematch should happen as the fight is very close.

+1 here , the fight really amazing and the decision is tough to provide so i think rematch must take place and if Garaballo win then the decision fight must happen for finalization.

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Give Caraballo a chance and break his chin again, I think Sultan will not make a new strategy, he will continue to use his style which is to go for the chain, put some pressure on the opponent, and if he can take him down again, he will win with no doublt.

i doubt it, of course sultan will use different approach if rematch happens.

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Let's hope to hear some update regarding the rematch, or a possible big fight where Sultan will be a challenger to the champion.

This will take time , maybe next year or the next .

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Quote from: Kemarit on November 02, 2021, 08:21:58 PM

Quote from: Maslate on November 02, 2021, 07:37:02 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on November 02, 2021, 07:22:57 AM

I'm not surprised by the result though, but it was suprising to see that Caraballo has a weak chin he was really exposed in this fight.

Yeah, this fight exposed his glass liked chin and his next opponent will certainly make a game plan to target his weak chin if they will not work on strengthening it, and I don't know if it's possible as Amik Khan had that same problem and that made him struggle once he hits in his weak spot.

Not possible in my opinion, Amir's chin didn't improved when he worked with coach Freddy that time, they can only strengthen his neck and back muscles, after that it's all up to Khan.

I'm not sure about a rematch, but why not? If it will make Sultan more money then why not? MP should strike while the iron is hot.

The rematch should happen as the fight is very close.

Give Caraballo a chance and break his chin again, I think Sultan will not make a new strategy, he will continue to use his style which is to go for the chain, put some pressure on the opponent, and if he can take him down again, he will win with no doublt.

Let's hope to hear some update regarding the rematch, or a possible big fight where Sultan will be a challenger to the champion.

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Congratulations to Jonas Sultan for this very close fight .

He deserved to be praise from this one because the fight really goes very close and Garaballo almost beat him There.

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Closure of this thread is needed because the fight had already finish.

Reporting the thread for closure.

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Quote from: TravelMug on November 02, 2021, 09:23:22 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on November 02, 2021, 08:31:33 AM

Quote from: Maslate on November 02, 2021, 07:37:02 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on November 02, 2021, 07:22:57 AM

I'm not surprised by the result though, but it was suprising to see that Caraballo has a weak chin he was really exposed in this fight.

Yeah, this fight exposed his glass liked chin and his next opponent will certainly make a game plan to target his weak chin if they will not work on strengthening it, and I don't know if it's possible as Amik Khan had that same problem and that made him struggle once he hits in his weak spot.

Let's see if a rematch would happen, although he has a glass chin but let us not underestimate him because he always gets up and is eager to continue the fight, in fact, there are rounds that he is winning. Maybe next time Caraballo will try to improve his defense and not be too confident and always go for a kill, that loss will be an eye-opener for him that he cannot knockout every fighter he will face in the ring.

Maybe he wasn't hit solid by Jonas, but just imagine if Jonas hits him with one Hail Mary punch, specially that he didn't expect, for sure he will be knock out cold. He already knows that Jonas can take his shot, he may have broken Jonas nose, but what can you say? the Filipino is very tough cookie to crack that not even a knock out artist like him can put the good man down. And that's a wrong mindset to begin with, thinking that everyone of his opponent can be knockout by his power. Hard lessons for him to learn.

Sultan has earned respect winning the fight, he is due for a big fight and will surely gain attention from the fans since he beat Caraballo who is an undefeated fighter and a knockout artist.

Just like Casimero, I believe one day that they will become a champion also, and though his record is not so impressive he is always a tough challenger to anyone with a flawless record and a boxer who has a huge potential to be a champion. Based on his record, he has not been KO yet, and most of his losses is via UD, which means he has strong stamina but lack of boxing skills IMO. https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/648292

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Quote from: Sanitough on November 02, 2021, 08:31:33 AM

Quote from: Maslate on November 02, 2021, 07:37:02 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on November 02, 2021, 07:22:57 AM

I'm not surprised by the result though, but it was suprising to see that Caraballo has a weak chin he was really exposed in this fight.

Yeah, this fight exposed his glass liked chin and his next opponent will certainly make a game plan to target his weak chin if they will not work on strengthening it, and I don't know if it's possible as Amik Khan had that same problem and that made him struggle once he hits in his weak spot.

Let's see if a rematch would happen, although he has a glass chin but let us not underestimate him because he always gets up and is eager to continue the fight, in fact, there are rounds that he is winning. Maybe next time Caraballo will try to improve his defense and not be too confident and always go for a kill, that loss will be an eye-opener for him that he cannot knockout every fighter he will face in the ring.

Maybe he wasn't hit solid by Jonas, but just imagine if Jonas hits him with one Hail Mary punch, specially that he didn't expect, for sure he will be knock out cold. He already knows that Jonas can take his shot, he may have broken Jonas nose, but what can you say? the Filipino is very tough cookie to crack that not even a knock out artist like him can put the good man down. And that's a wrong mindset to begin with, thinking that everyone of his opponent can be knockout by his power. Hard lessons for him to learn.

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Quote from: Maslate on November 02, 2021, 07:37:02 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on November 02, 2021, 07:22:57 AM

I'm not surprised by the result though, but it was suprising to see that Caraballo has a weak chin he was really exposed in this fight.

Yeah, this fight exposed his glass liked chin and his next opponent will certainly make a game plan to target his weak chin if they will not work on strengthening it, and I don't know if it's possible as Amik Khan had that same problem and that made him struggle once he hits in his weak spot.

Not possible in my opinion, Amir's chin didn't improved when he worked with coach Freddy that time, they can only strengthen his neck and back muscles, after that it's all up to Khan.

I'm not sure about a rematch, but why not? If it will make Sultan more money then why not? MP should strike while the iron is hot.

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Quote from: Maslate on November 02, 2021, 07:37:02 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on November 02, 2021, 07:22:57 AM

I'm not surprised by the result though, but it was suprising to see that Caraballo has a weak chin he was really exposed in this fight.

Yeah, this fight exposed his glass liked chin and his next opponent will certainly make a game plan to target his weak chin if they will not work on strengthening it, and I don't know if it's possible as Amik Khan had that same problem and that made him struggle once he hits in his weak spot.

Let's see if a rematch would happen, although he has a glass chin but let us not underestimate him because he always gets up and is eager to continue the fight, in fact, there are rounds that he is winning. Maybe next time Caraballo will try to improve his defense and not be too confident and always go for a kill, that loss will be an eye-opener for him that he cannot knockout every fighter he will face in the ring.

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Quote from: Dave1 on November 02, 2021, 07:22:57 AM

I'm not surprised by the result though, but it was suprising to see that Caraballo has a weak chin he was really exposed in this fight.

Yeah, this fight exposed his glass liked chin and his next opponent will certainly make a game plan to target his weak chin if they will not work on strengthening it, and I don't know if it's possible as Amik Khan had that same problem and that made him struggle once he hits in his weak spot.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on November 02, 2021, 07:12:01 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 01, 2021, 10:40:49 PM

But the judges makes it very close though, and I think if Sultan got only 3 knockdown, he will still lost in this fight. So I'm also in favor of making this rematch, it could be very dangerous for Sultan, but if he can win by knockout, then the issue will be settled. I just admired Sultan touch chin and everyone was really talking about Caraballo's power. But he underestimate that Sultan is very durable and have a solid chin and him Caraballo can't even hold himself when Sultan hits him and he will instantly go down.

Sultan won't be called One Punch man for nothing hehe, and unfortunately, Top Ranks prodigy was on the receiving end of those powerful punches.

Sultan's handler/promoter, Sean Gibbons wants him to fight this year-end against a big name in the bantamweight division but all the three belt holders have an incoming fight this December so I guess he will be waiting for some to get a championship fight but one thing is definite, he won't fight Casimero as these two have become friends now.

I think there are a lot of Pinoys in this division, but eventually Sultan might face either one of them. Sean Gibbons shouldn't rush anything yet for Sultan, let him enjoy the fruits of his hard work, and probably goes for fighting another name fighters not Pinoy next year. I'm not surprised by the result though, but it was suprising to see that Caraballo has a weak chin he was really exposed in this fight.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 01, 2021, 10:40:49 PM

But the judges makes it very close though, and I think if Sultan got only 3 knockdown, he will still lost in this fight. So I'm also in favor of making this rematch, it could be very dangerous for Sultan, but if he can win by knockout, then the issue will be settled. I just admired Sultan touch chin and everyone was really talking about Caraballo's power. But he underestimate that Sultan is very durable and have a solid chin and him Caraballo can't even hold himself when Sultan hits him and he will instantly go down.

Sultan won't be called One Punch man for nothing hehe, and unfortunately, Top Ranks prodigy was on the receiving end of those powerful punches.

Sultan's handler/promoter, Sean Gibbons wants him to fight this year-end against a big name in the bantamweight division but all the three belt holders have an incoming fight this December so I guess he will be waiting for some to get a championship fight but one thing is definite, he won't fight Casimero as these two have become friends now.

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Quote from: smyslov on November 01, 2021, 11:49:51 PM

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But the judges makes it very close though, and I think if Sultan got only 3 knockdown, he will still lost in this fight. So I'm also in favor of making this rematch, it could be very dangerous for Sultan, but if he can win by knockout, then the issue will be settled. I just admired Sultan touch chin and everyone was really talking about Caraballo's power. But he underestimate that Sultan is very durable and have a solid chin and him Caraballo can't even hold himself when Sultan hits him and he will instantly go down.

This is the toughest fight of Sultan, when he fought Ancajas and Casimero it's not like this, Sultan has a tough chin and strong leg, it's unfortunate that Caraballo does not have these two, he is a good puncher and his ring generalship is ok, he could become a champion one day but I doubt if he can attain greatness, although there is no need a rematch I love to see them in a legit world title match.

Win or lose? they are both best in their field Caraballo is One of the most promising Boxer in Puerto Rico while Jonas Sultan is the one who called the next Nonito Donaire
So i think both fighters are winner in this area though it is Sultan who had the votes.
I can't wait to see rematch from these 2 boxers in the near future as i missed betting now maybe in the next i will be .

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Quote from: smyslov on November 01, 2021, 11:49:51 PM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 01, 2021, 10:40:49 PM

But the judges makes it very close though, and I think if Sultan got only 3 knockdown, he will still lost in this fight. So I'm also in favor of making this rematch, it could be very dangerous for Sultan, but if he can win by knockout, then the issue will be settled. I just admired Sultan touch chin and everyone was really talking about Caraballo's power. But he underestimate that Sultan is very durable and have a solid chin and him Caraballo can't even hold himself when Sultan hits him and he will instantly go down.

This is the toughest fight of Sultan, when he fought Ancajas and Casimero it's not like this, Sultan has a tough chin and strong leg, it's unfortunate that Caraballo does not have these two, he is a good puncher and his ring generalship is ok, he could become a champion one day but I doubt if he can attain greatness, although there is no need a rematch I love to see them in a legit world title match.

We don't know what will be the take of both promoters, if they see more money why not taking the risk of that call rematch?

I also see your point and that's valid Caraballo indeed have a good career in the future if he will manage to developed better strategy avoiding to hit him

much from his chin, the key factor where Sultan take this fight from him is the fact that the knockout really count well,

if not from those Caraballo might take this fight easily from him.

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Apart from the 10-9 on one of the judge's score card on a knockdown, I'm not going to argue with the rest of the rounds. I think we can all agree that Caraballo is the more technical and efficient fighter throughout the match. He's unlucky that Sultan had a very tough chin despite landing clean and powerful shots of his own. I think a rematch is in order.

I'm not sure if a rematch will be a wise call for the camp of Caraballo. They just recently inked contract with Top Rank and hoping that this will be his first win and potentially he is promised of a good money in the future. However, Sultan derailed all their plans, lol, and they don't want to damage Caraballo early. So probably just another cherry pick fight for Caraballo to bring his confidence back and then knock out his opponents again just to get track.

Yeah that's a good point if you're seeing it from Top Rank's point of view. If they go that path, it's possible that Sultan will also lose to someone else. Caraballo can take the belt back from the new champ Grin

I bet he wants an immediate rematch if he's the one calling the shots to redeem himself. Although it's his first, it wasn't a devastating loss that would lower his confidence in his own boxing skills.

Top Rank is known to protect their fighters so I'm just thinking that they won't simply allow him to fight Sultan after that big lost. Someone mentions Caraballo's similarity to Amir Khan, and after Amir first lost to Breidis Prescott, he take an easy fight after that and win by TKO against Fagan. Not sure though if Amir that time was under the banner of Top Rank. But in any case, Caraballo is still very young and just look first for other fight after his first lost. Grin

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 02, 2021, 01:47:08 AM

Quote from: Bttzed03 on October 31, 2021, 11:52:51 PM

Apart from the 10-9 on one of the judge's score card on a knockdown, I'm not going to argue with the rest of the rounds. I think we can all agree that Caraballo is the more technical and efficient fighter throughout the match. He's unlucky that Sultan had a very tough chin despite landing clean and powerful shots of his own. I think a rematch is in order.

I'm not sure if a rematch will be a wise call for the camp of Caraballo. They just recently inked contract with Top Rank and hoping that this will be his first win and potentially he is promised of a good money in the future. However, Sultan derailed all their plans, lol, and they don't want to damage Caraballo early. So probably just another cherry pick fight for Caraballo to bring his confidence back and then knock out his opponents again just to get track.

Yeah that's a good point if you're seeing it from Top Rank's point of view. If they go that path, it's possible that Sultan will also lose to someone else. Caraballo can take the belt back from the new champ Grin

I bet he wants an immediate rematch if he's the one calling the shots to redeem himself. Although it's his first, it wasn't a devastating loss that would lower his confidence in his own boxing skills.

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on October 31, 2021, 11:52:51 PM

Apart from the 10-9 on one of the judge's score card on a knockdown, I'm not going to argue with the rest of the rounds. I think we can all agree that Caraballo is the more technical and efficient fighter throughout the match. He's unlucky that Sultan had a very tough chin despite landing clean and powerful shots of his own. I think a rematch is in order.

I'm not sure if a rematch will be a wise call for the camp of Caraballo. They just recently inked contract with Top Rank and hoping that this will be his first win and potentially he is promised of a good money in the future. However, Sultan derailed all their plans, lol, and they don't want to damage Caraballo early. So probably just another cherry pick fight for Caraballo to bring his confidence back and then knock out his opponents again just to get track.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 01, 2021, 10:40:49 PM

But the judges makes it very close though, and I think if Sultan got only 3 knockdown, he will still lost in this fight. So I'm also in favor of making this rematch, it could be very dangerous for Sultan, but if he can win by knockout, then the issue will be settled. I just admired Sultan touch chin and everyone was really talking about Caraballo's power. But he underestimate that Sultan is very durable and have a solid chin and him Caraballo can't even hold himself when Sultan hits him and he will instantly go down.

This is the toughest fight of Sultan, when he fought Ancajas and Casimero it's not like this, Sultan has a tough chin and strong leg, it's unfortunate that Caraballo does not have these two, he is a good puncher and his ring generalship is ok, he could become a champion one day but I doubt if he can attain greatness, although there is no need a rematch I love to see them in a legit world title match.

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I would also say Amik Khan reminded me of Caraballo, they are both good technical boxers but they are not durable and the Filipino fighter has a well-deserved win although the win is a bit controversial I think let's just move on since a win is still a win, just let the organization do the job if the judgement was fair and if not then someone has to be penalized according to the rule of the boxing organization.

Better to move on and wait if there's a rematch to happen. Caraballo deserves that rematch and if his fans and more boxing fans will call for this one, we might see the rematch to happen much earlier.

Just a good chin and Sultan takes this one from Caraballo. The strong fighting determination of Sultan dominates and even there are controversial. He manages to take and win this fight.

There are upcoming fights that we will go to watchout, this sports this getting fans' attentions back.

I saw the scorecards and the judges are heavily favoring Caraballo, rounds that do not have knockdown go to Caraballo, and why there is a need for a rematch it's a unanimous decision, the win obviously go to Sultan's favor, there will be a rematch to settle the score if the fight could go either way, what do Caraballo have to prove in a rematch that he trained his chin to receive a punch, a weak chin will always remain a weak chin, give Caraballo a match against another top-caliber fighter and he will still get knockdowns or a knockout.

But the judges makes it very close though, and I think if Sultan got only 3 knockdown, he will still lost in this fight. So I'm also in favor of making this rematch, it could be very dangerous for Sultan, but if he can win by knockout, then the issue will be settled. I just admired Sultan touch chin and everyone was really talking about Caraballo's power. But he underestimate that Sultan is very durable and have a solid chin and him Caraballo can't even hold himself when Sultan hits him and he will instantly go down.

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