[Boxing] Mark Magsayo vs Rey Vargas WBC Featherweight Title (July 9) - page 12.

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Quote from: terrorJR on June 24, 2022, 11:58:55 AM

Interestingly enough, I will also do the same with you now especially if you look at the odds you listed it is clear he is the seed and that is very reasonable because he is currently defending the title.
But in this case I still feel that it will undergo changes as time goes on and approaches the fight as -200 isn't really a huge favourite.

However, the analysis of odds cannot be trusted completely due to the fact that during a boxing match the pattern of dominance can change depending on which boxer is leading the hard punches. In the struggle for the featherweight title, both boxers will train hard to win, even though one of the boxers is rated lower than the opponent but it is not impossible to win the match.

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Quote from: Natalim on June 23, 2022, 11:48:07 PM

I love to see the odds on that, I would choose Magsayo by KO if the odds are attractive. I also have a feeling that if Magsayo will win, it will not reach 12 rounds, so odds for 1-3 or 4-6 rounds for Magsayo is also worth betting IMO.

Looks like odds are already available, but not the full market yet.
https://www.vegasodds.com/news/boxing-mark-magsayo-vs-rey-vargas-preview-vegas-odds-pick/

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Boxer   Vegas Odds
Mark Magsayo
-200
Rey Vargas
+200

Magsayo is the favorite to win.

Interestingly enough, I will also do the same with you now especially if you look at the odds you listed it is clear he is the seed and that is very reasonable because he is currently defending the title.
But in this case I still feel that it will undergo changes as time goes on and approaches the fight as -200 isn't really a huge favourite.

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Quote from: Pamadar on June 24, 2022, 06:14:29 AM

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So we will see if Magsayo can test that and landed on Vargas and if he can get up and not get knock out by that left by Mark.

Vargas should not allow that to happen as Magsayo really has the power to knockout an opponent, that's the best chance of Magsayo to win and therefore Vargas should be aware of that. Why would he give Magsayo the edge in the fight if he can score by points only, he has to be smart to beat the champion.

Magsayo is not a champion for just nothing if Vargas will be careless. Magsayo can take the full advantage

knocking him down. The Pinoy pride is also explosive and has a solid combination that can KO Vargas. It's expected that both
fighters will be aggressive proving something in their upcoming fight, there's no room for mistake and carelessness, fans will
love to see explosive toe-to-toe exchanges of punches between them.

I hope both will be aggressive so we will have not to worry anymore about Magsayo successfully defending his title. This is his first defense, right? So he should make an impressive win here, a KO win is the only way, there's no way Magsayo will win in the judges scorecards on this fight, he should seek for a KO as fans would love a boxer who is a KO artist.

Personally, I really like to see how both will come up inside the ring with both intentions to win,

Vargas to attain new division belt while Magsayo is to defend his title and bring more hypes to his name, the winner will take
all especially the token to have more money fights.

We will just need to wait for the outcome of these upcoming fight almost 3 weeks or fewer and we will see them inside the
ring and start impressing the fans.

Magsayo has to win this because he is the only Filipino champion that is left.

In the bantamweight division, we had Donaire and Casimero, but now they don't have the belt anymore.
Only Magsayo is left, hopefully he will not be pressured and he will also work hard to retain the title and maybe soon he can move up in weight to collect another belt.

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Quote from: Vaculin on June 24, 2022, 05:34:17 AM

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Quote from: Baofeng on June 24, 2022, 04:08:54 AM

So we will see if Magsayo can test that and landed on Vargas and if he can get up and not get knock out by that left by Mark.

Vargas should not allow that to happen as Magsayo really has the power to knockout an opponent, that's the best chance of Magsayo to win and therefore Vargas should be aware of that. Why would he give Magsayo the edge in the fight if he can score by points only, he has to be smart to beat the champion.

Magsayo is not a champion for just nothing if Vargas will be careless. Magsayo can take the full advantage

knocking him down. The Pinoy pride is also explosive and has a solid combination that can KO Vargas. It's expected that both
fighters will be aggressive proving something in their upcoming fight, there's no room for mistake and carelessness, fans will
love to see explosive toe-to-toe exchanges of punches between them.

I hope both will be aggressive so we will have not to worry anymore about Magsayo successfully defending his title. This is his first defense, right? So he should make an impressive win here, a KO win is the only way, there's no way Magsayo will win in the judges scorecards on this fight, he should seek for a KO as fans would love a boxer who is a KO artist.

Personally, I really like to see how both will come up inside the ring with both intentions to win,

Vargas to attain new division belt while Magsayo is to defend his title and bring more hypes to his name, the winner will take
all especially the token to have more money fights.

We will just need to wait for the outcome of these upcoming fight almost 3 weeks or fewer and we will see them inside the
ring and start impressing the fans.

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Winding down.

Quote from: Pamadar on June 24, 2022, 05:16:17 AM

Quote from: Japinat on June 24, 2022, 04:46:04 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on June 24, 2022, 04:08:54 AM

So we will see if Magsayo can test that and landed on Vargas and if he can get up and not get knock out by that left by Mark.

Vargas should not allow that to happen as Magsayo really has the power to knockout an opponent, that's the best chance of Magsayo to win and therefore Vargas should be aware of that. Why would he give Magsayo the edge in the fight if he can score by points only, he has to be smart to beat the champion.

Magsayo is not a champion for just nothing if Vargas will be careless. Magsayo can take the full advantage

knocking him down. The Pinoy pride is also explosive and has a solid combination that can KO Vargas. It's expected that both
fighters will be aggressive proving something in their upcoming fight, there's no room for mistake and carelessness, fans will
love to see explosive toe-to-toe exchanges of punches between them.

I hope both will be aggressive so we will have not to worry anymore about Magsayo successfully defending his title. This is his first defense, right? So he should make an impressive win here, a KO win is the only way, there's no way Magsayo will win in the judges scorecards on this fight, he should seek for a KO as fans would love a boxer who is a KO artist.

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Quote from: Japinat on June 24, 2022, 04:46:04 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on June 24, 2022, 04:08:54 AM

So we will see if Magsayo can test that and landed on Vargas and if he can get up and not get knock out by that left by Mark.

Vargas should not allow that to happen as Magsayo really has the power to knockout an opponent, that's the best chance of Magsayo to win and therefore Vargas should be aware of that. Why would he give Magsayo the edge in the fight if he can score by points only, he has to be smart to beat the champion.

Magsayo is not a champion for just nothing if Vargas will be careless. Magsayo can take the full advantage

knocking him down. The Pinoy pride is also explosive and has a solid combination that can KO Vargas. It's expected that both
fighters will be aggressive proving something in their upcoming fight, there's no room for mistake and carelessness, fans will
love to see explosive toe-to-toe exchanges of punches between them.

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Quote from: Baofeng on June 24, 2022, 04:08:54 AM

So we will see if Magsayo can test that and landed on Vargas and if he can get up and not get knock out by that left by Mark.

Vargas should not allow that to happen as Magsayo really has the power to knockout an opponent, that's the best chance of Magsayo to win and therefore Vargas should be aware of that. Why would he give Magsayo the edge in the fight if he can score by points only, he has to be smart to beat the champion.

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Quote from: btc_angela on June 23, 2022, 06:13:01 AM

^^ Chin doesn't change though, your styles will evolved, but your chin doesn't. Just look at Amir Khan, he has known to be have a china chin and it didn't improved even if he is trained by famed coach Roach back in the days. They say they did train his neck, but we've seen that he still have that chin that when anyone touches he will go down or knock out. So if Magsayo landed on his chin perfectly and with good power, he might go down for good.

I will have to agree on this, even though that is a long time ago he has been knock down in his career as I have said. So his chin will remain like that and I don't think that anyone, including Roach or even Alex Ariza that time. If my memory serves me right, he also was the strength and conditioning coach of Khan during his stint at Wild card gym.

I think most boxers have a soft chin, it also depends on who hits the boxer because if a boxer is a KO artist and his opponent has a weak chin, then it should result in an automatic knockout. We also have to remember that some boxers know their weakness, and therefore they will try to avoid getting hit on their weakness while still winning the fight, that's what you called smart boxing.

Yes, it's either they have an iron chin and absorb it or weak chin just like in recent memory, - Amir Khan. But sooner or later, those strong chins are going to be broken though, Pacquiao used to have one until Marquez broke it. And then the way this boxers absorb and recover when they are hit flush, there are boxers who can recover very quick and then fight and finished their opponents. In the case of Vargas, his chin has been broken but he as a good recuperation. So we will see if Magsayo can test that and landed on Vargas and if he can get up and not get knock out by that left by Mark.

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Magsayo @ -200, I thought he would not be a high favorite to win the fight.

I think I'm gonna pass on that odds knowing Magsayo isn't really a dominant fighter.
Not sure if that odds will change a bit because currently it's still not listed in my sportsbook.

That's vegas odds, so it's probably listed in fiat bookies, unfortunately it's still not listed in crypto bookies.

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on June 23, 2022, 11:31:32 PM

Magsayo by KO/TKO or Vargas by Unanimous/Split decision

^ That's the most likely result of the fight that I can see. Magsayo would likely invest in the body early on (like chopping a tree) before going for the chin. Vargas to try to keep his distance and outbox him (possible KO win too if he catches Mark with a clean counter).

Another factor to consider in this fight is Magsayo's faster recovery time because of his youth. He might get hit and hit by Vargas but he could absorb/endure more.

I love to see the odds on that, I would choose Magsayo by KO if the odds are attractive. I also have a feeling that if Magsayo will win, it will not reach 12 rounds, so odds for 1-3 or 4-6 rounds for Magsayo is also worth betting IMO.

Looks like odds are already available, but not the full market yet.
https://www.vegasodds.com/news/boxing-mark-magsayo-vs-rey-vargas-preview-vegas-odds-pick/

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Boxer   Vegas Odds
Mark Magsayo
-200
Rey Vargas
+200

Magsayo is the favorite to win.

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Magsayo by KO/TKO or Vargas by Unanimous/Split decision

^ That's the most likely result of the fight that I can see. Magsayo would likely invest in the body early on (like chopping a tree) before going for the chin. Vargas to try to keep his distance and outbox him (possible KO win too if he catches Mark with a clean counter).

Another factor to consider in this fight is Magsayo's faster recovery time because of his youth. He might get hit and hit by Vargas but he could absorb/endure more.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 23, 2022, 07:31:47 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on June 23, 2022, 06:13:01 AM

^^ Chin doesn't change though, your styles will evolved, but your chin doesn't. Just look at Amir Khan, he has known to be have a china chin and it didn't improved even if he is trained by famed coach Roach back in the days. They say they did train his neck, but we've seen that he still have that chin that when anyone touches he will go down or knock out. So if Magsayo landed on his chin perfectly and with good power, he might go down for good.

I will have to agree on this, even though that is a long time ago he has been knock down in his career as I have said. So his chin will remain like that and I don't think that anyone, including Roach or even Alex Ariza that time. If my memory serves me right, he also was the strength and conditioning coach of Khan during his stint at Wild card gym.

I think most boxers have a soft chin, it also depends on who hits the boxer because if a boxer is a KO artist and his opponent has a weak chin, then it should result in an automatic knockout. We also have to remember that some boxers know their weakness, and therefore they will try to avoid getting hit on their weakness while still winning the fight, that's what you called smart boxing.

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Quote from: btc_angela on June 23, 2022, 06:13:01 AM

^^ Chin doesn't change though, your styles will evolved, but your chin doesn't. Just look at Amir Khan, he has known to be have a china chin and it didn't improved even if he is trained by famed coach Roach back in the days. They say they did train his neck, but we've seen that he still have that chin that when anyone touches he will go down or knock out. So if Magsayo landed on his chin perfectly and with good power, he might go down for good.

I will have to agree on this, even though that is a long time ago he has been knock down in his career as I have said. So his chin will remain like that and I don't think that anyone, including Roach or even Alex Ariza that time. If my memory serves me right, he also was the strength and conditioning coach of Khan during his stint at Wild card gym.

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Quote from: Oasisman on June 23, 2022, 05:38:13 PM

Of course that won't really matter, but I guess it would be better for the fighter to stay out of the social media before the fight to get a good focus with the fight. The most important thing is to be calm, composed, and focused. Social media post of predictions might mess up with fighters mind.
This is gonna be a must win for Magsayo to continue climbing and improving his career. Both are undefeated and good boxer. This will be interesting and I will be expecting a KO if both fighter becomes aggressive.

Boxers are already used for reading predictions and speculations from any analysis, good or not.

It's already part of what they encounter in every fight.

These boxers already have lots of experience, so why should they stay away from social media? That won't mess up their mind because if it does, then they are weak. Their mental preparations won't affect even if they read social media posts.

Besides, with their busy schedule, I doubt they can browse and scroll a bit on their timeline. They might maybe be checking messages and notifications but will not spend too much time browsing.

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^ It's either someone will whisper to them that they are the underdog or his team are into social media (most likely) and they will find it out sooner or later. But it shouldn't matter though, Magsayo should focus on the fight itself and not what analyst or bettors are feeling. Just accept if he will be the underdog, he has the belt to proved that he is a champion anyways. The fight is like a couple of weeks from now and hopefully Magsayo should just peak in time and not overtrain in this fight. That's the only thing that might be a factor for him, maybe he will overtrain because he want to give us fans a good fight.

Yeah, but does it really matter if he is listed as underdog or if his team knows about it? He might probably just smile if the odds is out by now or the day prior to the fight. What is important is that he come to fight and beat Vargas by whatever means. Of course we would like for him to score a knock out, but a decision win is acceptable as well.

Nah! That won't really matter and as if they care enough if they are listed as favorite or underdog. Their performance won't be based on that listing just like being listed as a favorite won't guarantee one's victory. Both boxers will fight for their own legacy as they are both undefeated but Magsayo should definitely try to win this fight as he's the one who can't afford to lose rather than the challenger.

Of course that won't really matter, but I guess it would be better for the fighter to stay out of the social media before the fight to get a good focus with the fight. The most important thing is to be calm, composed, and focused. Social media post of predictions might mess up with fighters mind.
This is gonna be a must win for Magsayo to continue climbing and improving his career. Both are undefeated and good boxer. This will be interesting and I will be expecting a KO if both fighter becomes aggressive.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on June 22, 2022, 05:48:59 PM

Quote from: terrorJR on June 22, 2022, 04:31:00 PM

I think maybe they will wait for a few more days to list the bets for this fight, it would be very strange if it didn't list the current fight, especially the one who will fight is not a boxer who can be underestimated.
Maybe the bookies right now still don't see the huge hype for this fight and I still feel that for the last week or at least a few days before the start of the fight this will be listed.

As per my experience with this non profile fights, usually a day before the fight itself. As compare to GGG or Canelo who have been listed already.

Nevertheless, I don't think that sport bookies are going to missed this one. This is a huge fight for Mexican and Filipino fans and there are a lot of online bettors from those countries. Come back maybe July 8 and for sure this is going to be listed.

However, for the names of Mark and Rey Vargas, this really can't be called an ordinary match, especially with Mark's reason for defending the title and former world champion Rey Vargas clearly this can't be called a mediocre fight.
But it's like you said, the bookies will not likely miss a fight of this magnitude and all that needs to be done now is to wait for this who knows when but the bet will definitely happen.

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Quote from: stadus on June 23, 2022, 01:06:14 PM

Quote from: TravelMug on June 21, 2022, 09:11:57 PM

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^ It's either someone will whisper to them that they are the underdog or his team are into social media (most likely) and they will find it out sooner or later. But it shouldn't matter though, Magsayo should focus on the fight itself and not what analyst or bettors are feeling. Just accept if he will be the underdog, he has the belt to proved that he is a champion anyways. The fight is like a couple of weeks from now and hopefully Magsayo should just peak in time and not overtrain in this fight. That's the only thing that might be a factor for him, maybe he will overtrain because he want to give us fans a good fight.

Yeah, but does it really matter if he is listed as underdog or if his team knows about it? He might probably just smile if the odds is out by now or the day prior to the fight. What is important is that he come to fight and beat Vargas by whatever means. Of course we would like for him to score a knock out, but a decision win is acceptable as well.

Nah! That won't really matter and as if they care enough if they are listed as favorite or underdog. Their performance won't be based on that listing just like being listed as a favorite won't guarantee one's victory. Both boxers will fight for their own legacy as they are both undefeated but Magsayo should definitely try to win this fight as he's the one who can't afford to lose rather than the challenger.

Yes, there are a lot of upsets in boxing, and Mark if ever be the underdog, will be a good one as what we have discussed previously. And I also didn't see any pressure coming for him, he just need to go and fight hard and hopefully their training and work will payoff if he will score that knock out. Vargas is undefeated and has the experience, but it doesn't mean that Mark can't take him out.

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Quote from: stadus on June 23, 2022, 01:06:14 PM

Quote from: TravelMug on June 21, 2022, 09:11:57 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on June 21, 2022, 01:14:08 PM

^ It's either someone will whisper to them that they are the underdog or his team are into social media (most likely) and they will find it out sooner or later. But it shouldn't matter though, Magsayo should focus on the fight itself and not what analyst or bettors are feeling. Just accept if he will be the underdog, he has the belt to proved that he is a champion anyways. The fight is like a couple of weeks from now and hopefully Magsayo should just peak in time and not overtrain in this fight. That's the only thing that might be a factor for him, maybe he will overtrain because he want to give us fans a good fight.

Yeah, but does it really matter if he is listed as underdog or if his team knows about it? He might probably just smile if the odds is out by now or the day prior to the fight. What is important is that he come to fight and beat Vargas by whatever means. Of course we would like for him to score a knock out, but a decision win is acceptable as well.

Nah! That won't really matter and as if they care enough if they are listed as favorite or underdog. Their performance won't be based on that listing just like being listed as a favorite won't guarantee one's victory. Both boxers will fight for their own legacy as they are both undefeated but Magsayo should definitely try to win this fight as he's the one who can't afford to lose rather than the challenger.

Two weeks to go the fight has come in July 9 The best of the ring in their division will still up and claim the belt. These two undefeated fighter challenging themselves to a great and big fight, Vargas has a 35-0 achievement which is that good. For a veteran while magsayo has a record of 24 win 0 losses which is good enough to fight the other undefeated, I still support for my fellow countrymen magsayo hope he will win.

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Quote from: TravelMug on June 21, 2022, 09:11:57 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on June 21, 2022, 01:14:08 PM

^ It's either someone will whisper to them that they are the underdog or his team are into social media (most likely) and they will find it out sooner or later. But it shouldn't matter though, Magsayo should focus on the fight itself and not what analyst or bettors are feeling. Just accept if he will be the underdog, he has the belt to proved that he is a champion anyways. The fight is like a couple of weeks from now and hopefully Magsayo should just peak in time and not overtrain in this fight. That's the only thing that might be a factor for him, maybe he will overtrain because he want to give us fans a good fight.

Yeah, but does it really matter if he is listed as underdog or if his team knows about it? He might probably just smile if the odds is out by now or the day prior to the fight. What is important is that he come to fight and beat Vargas by whatever means. Of course we would like for him to score a knock out, but a decision win is acceptable as well.

Nah! That won't really matter and as if they care enough if they are listed as favorite or underdog. Their performance won't be based on that listing just like being listed as a favorite won't guarantee one's victory. Both boxers will fight for their own legacy as they are both undefeated but Magsayo should definitely try to win this fight as he's the one who can't afford to lose rather than the challenger.

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Quote from: Natalim on June 23, 2022, 06:15:46 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on June 23, 2022, 06:13:01 AM

^^ Chin doesn't change though, your styles will evolved, but your chin doesn't. Just look at Amir Khan, he has known to be have a china chin and it didn't improved even if he is trained by famed coach Roach back in the days. They say they did train his neck, but we've seen that he still have that chin that when anyone touches he will go down or knock out. So if Magsayo landed on his chin perfectly and with good power, he might go down for good.

Amir Khan probably has the weakest chin among boxers who became champions. That was his weakness so his journey now has probably ended despite the fact that he has not announced his retirement yet. Well, Magsayo has to be quick and has a good strategy to set up Vargas well to see an open looks for a solid punch, I'm looking forward to that.

Yes, an opening that he can take advantage and slip his left hook and let's see if Vargas chin can hold or not. And he admitted that Magsayo has the power so he might be looking for that. But Mark has a decent hand speed as well so it will be very hard to Vargas because he might be overwhelm by Magsayo's volume punching. And if Magsayo smells blood that he will go for it.

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