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Just one of those random odds here:

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Predictions: Who Will Win?
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    Magsayo to win: 1/2
    Vargas to win: 2/1
    Draw: 19/1

https://champinon.info/schedule/magsayo-vs-vargas/#pred

Yeah, most of the time it's really hard to understand how bookies put someone as favorite. This fight is close, but again as I have said, we should take advantage specially if they are going to put Magsayo at 2.x odds and higher.

Magsayo is 1/2, which means our $100 will only win $50,.. I think the odds are just right, he is the champion so he should be the favorite to win. However, I like the odds of Vargas here because he is also a great fighter, and he has a chance to beat Magsayo if he could box him right.

That's right, it would be a disrespect for Magsayo if he will be listed as the underdog in this fight. I think we should wait until these odds are available on our favorite bookies so we can confirm that it's the correct betting odds, also, we can bet early if we see some value on the odds provided.

Mark Magsayo will definitely understand and respect the fact if he will really be listed as the underdog in the fight as per sports bookies against Rey Vargas, but I don't that will happen because he's the defending champion. On the other hand, that might be good as his odds are far more greater if he'll be listed as underdog though.

Yep! Good point. If Magsayo will be listed as an underdog then that will certainly be an advantage for us on the betting side because his odds will much tastier rather than if he is listed as the favorite. Though, I think that their odds will just have some slight gap because bookies will give some credit to Vargas's experience as he is also undefeated.
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Mark Magsayo will definitely understand and respect the fact if he will really be listed as the underdog in the fight as per sports bookies against Rey Vargas, but I don't that will happen because he's the defending champion. On the other hand, that might be good as his odds are far more greater if he'll be listed as underdog though.

For let's say, if ever that bookies will consider Magsayo as an underdog, then it's good for us. Not just here in PH but other countries might put a bet on Magsayo too as I think it's a rare case where the Champion is an underdog. The fight is just around the corner. We should expect more odds previews in the following weeks to come.

Yes, this is my point as well, him as the underdog will be good for us because we all throw some money on him and if ever he beat Vargas then windfall for us.

And I also understand that if ever he become the underdog in betting, he will know it. And will give him extra motivation. Maybe he will think that he is being underestimate or not being given the respect he deserves so let him do this thing inside the ring and proved everyone wrong.
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Mark Magsayo will definitely understand and respect the fact if he will really be listed as the underdog in the fight as per sports bookies against Rey Vargas, but I don't that will happen because he's the defending champion. On the other hand, that might be good as his odds are far more greater if he'll be listed as underdog though.

Being the favorite or underdog, both boxers might not bother to think about it. Nothing special for them if they will be listed as either of those. In other words, they don't actually care for bookies' decision in providing odds for them. Clearly, Magsayo as a champion should be the slight favorite regardless of how strong Vargas is.

And besides, they are both undefeated and how come it can be a basis on "who's the stronger between these two"?

For let's say, if ever that bookies will consider Magsayo as an underdog, then it's good for us. Not just here in PH but other countries might put a bet on Magsayo too as I think it's a rare case where the Champion is an underdog. The fight is just around the corner. We should expect more odds previews in the following weeks to come.

crypto bookies havent listed this yet. we may see the betting lines maybe a week or few days from their fight. they may have very close odds, but i think magsayo will be slightly favourite. but let's see. sometimes the odds change once the fight is getting near and feel the pulse of the boxing fans.
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Mark Magsayo will definitely understand and respect the fact if he will really be listed as the underdog in the fight as per sports bookies against Rey Vargas, but I don't that will happen because he's the defending champion. On the other hand, that might be good as his odds are far more greater if he'll be listed as underdog though.

Being the favorite or underdog, both boxers might not bother to think about it. Nothing special for them if they will be listed as either of those. In other words, they don't actually care for bookies' decision in providing odds for them. Clearly, Magsayo as a champion should be the slight favorite regardless of how strong Vargas is.

And besides, they are both undefeated and how come it can be a basis on "who's the stronger between these two"?

For let's say, if ever that bookies will consider Magsayo as an underdog, then it's good for us. Not just here in PH but other countries might put a bet on Magsayo too as I think it's a rare case where the Champion is an underdog. The fight is just around the corner. We should expect more odds previews in the following weeks to come.
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Just one of those random odds here:

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Predictions: Who Will Win?
Latest Odds

    Magsayo to win: 1/2
    Vargas to win: 2/1
    Draw: 19/1

https://champinon.info/schedule/magsayo-vs-vargas/#pred

Yeah, most of the time it's really hard to understand how bookies put someone as favorite. This fight is close, but again as I have said, we should take advantage specially if they are going to put Magsayo at 2.x odds and higher.

Magsayo is 1/2, which means our $100 will only win $50,.. I think the odds are just right, he is the champion so he should be the favorite to win. However, I like the odds of Vargas here because he is also a great fighter, and he has a chance to beat Magsayo if he could box him right.

That's right, it would be a disrespect for Magsayo if he will be listed as the underdog in this fight. I think we should wait until these odds are available on our favorite bookies so we can confirm that it's the correct betting odds, also, we can bet early if we see some value on the odds provided.

Mark Magsayo will definitely understand and respect the fact if he will really be listed as the underdog in the fight as per sports bookies against Rey Vargas, but I don't that will happen because he's the defending champion. On the other hand, that might be good as his odds are far more greater if he'll be listed as underdog though.
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Just one of those random odds here:

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Predictions: Who Will Win?
Latest Odds

    Magsayo to win: 1/2
    Vargas to win: 2/1
    Draw: 19/1

https://champinon.info/schedule/magsayo-vs-vargas/#pred

Yeah, most of the time it's really hard to understand how bookies put someone as favorite. This fight is close, but again as I have said, we should take advantage specially if they are going to put Magsayo at 2.x odds and higher.

Magsayo is 1/2, which means our $100 will only win $50,.. I think the odds are just right, he is the champion so he should be the favorite to win. However, I like the odds of Vargas here because he is also a great fighter, and he has a chance to beat Magsayo if he could box him right.

That's right, it would be a disrespect for Magsayo if he will be listed as the underdog in this fight. I think we should wait until these odds are available on our favorite bookies so we can confirm that it's the correct betting odds, also, we can bet early if we see some value on the odds provided.

That odds will move somewhere near the fight but I believe Mark Magsayo will still be listed as the favorite rather than the challenger, Rey Vargas, let's just wait some time as maybe next week it will be available where we usually bet.
The latter have a chance to upset the 1st time title defender but I can say it's slim because Magsayo can adjust more especially when the fight drags into late rounds.
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Just one of those random odds here:

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Predictions: Who Will Win?
Latest Odds

    Magsayo to win: 1/2
    Vargas to win: 2/1
    Draw: 19/1

https://champinon.info/schedule/magsayo-vs-vargas/#pred

Yeah, most of the time it's really hard to understand how bookies put someone as favorite. This fight is close, but again as I have said, we should take advantage specially if they are going to put Magsayo at 2.x odds and higher.

Magsayo is 1/2, which means our $100 will only win $50,.. I think the odds are just right, he is the champion so he should be the favorite to win. However, I like the odds of Vargas here because he is also a great fighter, and he has a chance to beat Magsayo if he could box him right.

That's right, it would be a disrespect for Magsayo if he will be listed as the underdog in this fight. I think we should wait until these odds are available on our favorite bookies so we can confirm that it's the correct betting odds, also, we can bet early if we see some value on the odds provided.
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Just one of those random odds here:

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Predictions: Who Will Win?
Latest Odds

    Magsayo to win: 1/2
    Vargas to win: 2/1
    Draw: 19/1

https://champinon.info/schedule/magsayo-vs-vargas/#pred

Yeah, most of the time it's really hard to understand how bookies put someone as favorite. This fight is close, but again as I have said, we should take advantage specially if they are going to put Magsayo at 2.x odds and higher.

Magsayo is 1/2, which means our $100 will only win $50,.. I think the odds are just right, he is the champion so he should be the favorite to win. However, I like the odds of Vargas here because he is also a great fighter, and he has a chance to beat Magsayo if he could box him right.
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Experience and the height and reach advantage, but if Vargas doesn't know how to used it, then Magsayo will have the upper hand on the power. And we like Magsayo to be the underdog just because he will not win, but we will support and bet for the Filipino.

And he knows that beating a good fighter in Vargas will elevate his status as the champion and more opportunity for him to unify and become anther legend from the Philippines. So this is a very important fight for him, legacy and money wise.

Agree with you. If Mark Magsayo will be the underdog even he is the champion here, we will have a chance to taste a good odds while at the same time, supporting our bet. Let those bookies consider Vargas as the Favorite so that we can get a good odds betting for Magsayo. I'm looking forward for a much higher odds on Magsayo winning by TKO and Decision.

Not updated and looking for the odds for this fight but is it already available even for a random guess by some boxing analyst? Is Vargas really considered as the Favorite here regardless of his experience? I don't understand why it should be that way honestly.

Just one of those random odds here:

Quote
Predictions: Who Will Win?
Latest Odds

    Magsayo to win: 1/2
    Vargas to win: 2/1
    Draw: 19/1

https://champinon.info/schedule/magsayo-vs-vargas/#pred

Yeah, most of the time it's really hard to understand how bookies put someone as favorite. This fight is close, but again as I have said, we should take advantage specially if they are going to put Magsayo at 2.x odds and higher.
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Experience and the height and reach advantage, but if Vargas doesn't know how to used it, then Magsayo will have the upper hand on the power. And we like Magsayo to be the underdog just because he will not win, but we will support and bet for the Filipino.

And he knows that beating a good fighter in Vargas will elevate his status as the champion and more opportunity for him to unify and become anther legend from the Philippines. So this is a very important fight for him, legacy and money wise.

Agree with you. If Mark Magsayo will be the underdog even he is the champion here, we will have a chance to taste a good odds while at the same time, supporting our bet. Let those bookies consider Vargas as the Favorite so that we can get a good odds betting for Magsayo. I'm looking forward for a much higher odds on Magsayo winning by TKO and Decision.

Not updated and looking for the odds for this fight but is it already available even for a random guess by some boxing analyst? Is Vargas really considered as the Favorite here regardless of his experience? I don't understand why it should be that way honestly.


Understand your point and that's true, if Magsayo will be the underdog it will be an opportunity to his fans

who are willing to bet for him, higher odd while watching the fight will add up to the entertainment. Magsayo will
earned support from believers who will back him up.

As a fan, I will also add some spare for him if, in case, he will be the underdog against Vargas, first title defense
would be a great challenge to maintain his name up.
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Well in an eventual fight against Magsayo and Vargas do you think Vargas will have the upper hand?

Based on experience, Rey Vargas has the upper hand. But of course, experience should not just be the basis. Magsayo as a champion here, I'm expecting he has the upper hand against Vargas. He won't be a champion for nothing. There's also a thing in the mind of any champion that boost their morale once they are now in the ring fighting for their belt.

Like I always said here, just wait until Magsayo pulverize Vargas. That will erase the doubts of everyone that Vargas is the heavy favorite and Magsayo is the underdog even the latter is the Champion and the one defending his belt.

Experience and the height and reach advantage, but if Vargas doesn't know how to used it, then Magsayo will have the upper hand on the power. And we like Magsayo to be the underdog just because he will not win, but we will support and bet for the Filipino.

He has been a champion and for sure, he knows how to used his tools, jab, 1-2. He won fights at decision also, meaning he can go for full 12 rounds with his reach advantage but have the power to knock out his opponent if he has a chance.

And he knows that beating a good fighter in Vargas will elevate his status as the champion and more opportunity for him to unify and become anther legend from the Philippines. So this is a very important fight for him, legacy and money wise.

Yes, that's right. He is on the way, even if the bookies put in as underdog, then it will be a plus for him if he won as a long shot.
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Experience and the height and reach advantage, but if Vargas doesn't know how to used it, then Magsayo will have the upper hand on the power. And we like Magsayo to be the underdog just because he will not win, but we will support and bet for the Filipino.

And he knows that beating a good fighter in Vargas will elevate his status as the champion and more opportunity for him to unify and become anther legend from the Philippines. So this is a very important fight for him, legacy and money wise.

Agree with you. If Mark Magsayo will be the underdog even he is the champion here, we will have a chance to taste a good odds while at the same time, supporting our bet. Let those bookies consider Vargas as the Favorite so that we can get a good odds betting for Magsayo. I'm looking forward for a much higher odds on Magsayo winning by TKO and Decision.

Not updated and looking for the odds for this fight but is it already available even for a random guess by some boxing analyst? Is Vargas really considered as the Favorite here regardless of his experience? I don't understand why it should be that way honestly.
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Well in an eventual fight against Magsayo and Vargas do you think Vargas will have the upper hand?

Based on experience, Rey Vargas has the upper hand. But of course, experience should not just be the basis. Magsayo as a champion here, I'm expecting he has the upper hand against Vargas. He won't be a champion for nothing. There's also a thing in the mind of any champion that boost their morale once they are now in the ring fighting for their belt.

Like I always said here, just wait until Magsayo pulverize Vargas. That will erase the doubts of everyone that Vargas is the heavy favorite and Magsayo is the underdog even the latter is the Champion and the one defending his belt.

Experience and the height and reach advantage, but if Vargas doesn't know how to used it, then Magsayo will have the upper hand on the power. And we like Magsayo to be the underdog just because he will not win, but we will support and bet for the Filipino.

And he knows that beating a good fighter in Vargas will elevate his status as the champion and more opportunity for him to unify and become anther legend from the Philippines. So this is a very important fight for him, legacy and money wise.
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Well in an eventual fight against Magsayo and Vargas do you think Vargas will have the upper hand?

Based on experience, Rey Vargas has the upper hand. But of course, experience should not just be the basis. Magsayo as a champion here, I'm expecting he has the upper hand against Vargas. He won't be a champion for nothing. There's also a thing in the mind of any champion that boost their morale once they are now in the ring fighting for their belt.

Like I always said here, just wait until Magsayo pulverize Vargas. That will erase the doubts of everyone that Vargas is the heavy favorite and Magsayo is the underdog even the latter is the Champion and the one defending his belt.
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Nevertheless, Vargas is first on his list being a defending champion in this weight class.

It's good that Vargas will be Magsayo's first match since being a champion because the former is a big deal.

Magsayo as a champion should just take challenges from those who are on the top list of possible challengers to give him a good experience.

Surely, Magsayo is doing his best on preparations and maybe he's so excited now to defend his title for the first time as a champion.

I agree, he is indeed lucky to get a fight against Rey Vargas on his first time defending a belt. Vargas will make him more knowledgeable in the ring because Vargas has more experience than Magsayo, and that's what he should look into because he should get an experience by a win and not by a defeat because it's too early for him to be defeated when this is his first time defending like a champion.

Well in an eventual fight against Magsayo and Vargas do you think Vargas will have the upper hand? I know that in boxing experience is an added value that is excellent, but Magsayo is already being compared to Pacquiao and that is something very big considering that Pacquiao is a legend, however, the style of both fighters is different, or at least I see it like this, Magsayo in most of the times is like more explosive, he has energetic outbursts that if he does not remove himself quickly the opponent can give him a good knockout, if this happens with Vargas I think many probabilities can fall and the statistics that are always handled don't you think?

This is still going to be a very close fight in my book. And as we have talked a few pages back, maybe Vargas will be the betting favorite, but it doesn't take anything away from Magsayo because he is a great champion as well.

Maybe the experience will be the difference, or the punching power, or how they execute the game plan and then adjust in the game. There are so many factors that might play and different scenarios that can happen that it's hard to see who will win.
We can not say who will win in this match for now cause we all know that these two fighters are good enough, maybe Vargas will be get the higher odds here but for me, I still support magsayo against Vargas we all know that Vargas is not a simple opponent that magsayo van easily knock him down or take a solid punch but I think after 12 rounds magsayo will be the winner, but he need to trained harder to be victorious.
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This is still going to be a very close fight in my book. And as we have talk few pages back, maybe Vargas will be the betting favorite, but it doesn't take anything away from Magsayo because he is a great champion as well.

Honestly, Magsayo hadn't proven himself as a great champion, so this fight would be the thing that might prove that he is a decent champion.

Maybe the experience will be the difference, or the punching power, or how they execute the game plan and then adjust in the game. There are so many factors that might play and different scenarios that can happen that it's hard to see who will win.

I also don't think that there will be a difference in experience.  Both had been fighting for some time, if you look at their record, Magsayo (24-0, 16 KO) while Vargas (35-0, 22 KO).  I don't think that there is a gap in experience here.  There is a difference may be the fighting style but the more pressing matter is the moving up of weight of Vargas. 
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Nevertheless, Vargas is first on his list being a defending champion in this weight class.

It's good that Vargas will be Magsayo's first match since being a champion because the former is really a big deal.

Magsayo as a champion should just take challenges from those who are on the top list of possible challengers to give him a good experience.

Surely, Magsayo is doing his best on preparations and maybe he's so excited now to defend his title for the first time as a champion.

I agree, he is indeed lucky to get a fight against Rey Vargas on his first time defending a belt. Vargas will make him more knowledgeable in the ring because Vargas has more experience than Magsayo, and that's what he should look into because he should get an experience by a win and not by a defeat because it's literally too early for him to be defeated when this is his first time defending as a champion.

Well in an eventual fight against Magsayo and Vargas do you think Vargas will have the upper hand? I know that in boxing experience is an added value that is excellent, but Magsayo is already being compared to Pacquiao and that is something very big considering that Pacquiao is a legend, however the style of both fighters is different, or at least I see it like this, Magsayo in most of the times is like more explosive, he has energetic outbursts that if he does not remove himself quickly the opponent can give him a good knockout, if this happens with Vargas I think many probabilities can fall and the statistics that are always handled don't you think?

This is still going to be a very close fight in my book. And as we have talk few pages back, maybe Vargas will be the betting favorite, but it doesn't take anything away from Magsayo because he is a great champion as well.

Maybe the experience will be the difference, or the punching power, or how they execute the game plan and then adjust in the game. There are so many factors that might play and different scenarios that can happen that it's hard to see who will win.
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Nevertheless, Vargas is first on his list being a defending champion in this weight class.

It's good that Vargas will be Magsayo's first match since being a champion because the former is really a big deal.

Magsayo as a champion should just take challenges from those who are on the top list of possible challengers to give him a good experience.

Surely, Magsayo is doing his best on preparations and maybe he's so excited now to defend his title for the first time as a champion.

I agree, he is indeed lucky to get a fight against Rey Vargas on his first time defending a belt. Vargas will make him more knowledgeable in the ring because Vargas has more experience than Magsayo, and that's what he should look into because he should get an experience by a win and not by a defeat because it's literally too early for him to be defeated when this is his first time defending as a champion.

Well in an eventual fight against Magsayo and Vargas do you think Vargas will have the upper hand? I know that in boxing experience is an added value that is excellent, but Magsayo is already being compared to Pacquiao and that is something very big considering that Pacquiao is a legend, however the style of both fighters is different, or at least I see it like this, Magsayo in most of the times is like more explosive, he has energetic outbursts that if he does not remove himself quickly the opponent can give him a good knockout, if this happens with Vargas I think many probabilities can fall and the statistics that are always handled don't you think?


He might have an upper hand at the event of the fight but the way I see it, that's just for the first few rounds where Magsayo is still feeling himself to catch up and adjusting as he also know that Vargas is much more experienced so he does have more IQ in the ring than him. We may see the fight last longer as these both boxers might start off easy to feel each other. You know, both have clean record so they don't exactly want to get each other some advantage because of some mistake they will do in the ring.
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Nevertheless, Vargas is first on his list being a defending champion in this weight class.

It's good that Vargas will be Magsayo's first match since being a champion because the former is really a big deal.

Magsayo as a champion should just take challenges from those who are on the top list of possible challengers to give him a good experience.

Surely, Magsayo is doing his best on preparations and maybe he's so excited now to defend his title for the first time as a champion.

I agree, he is indeed lucky to get a fight against Rey Vargas on his first time defending a belt. Vargas will make him more knowledgeable in the ring because Vargas has more experience than Magsayo, and that's what he should look into because he should get an experience by a win and not by a defeat because it's literally too early for him to be defeated when this is his first time defending as a champion.

Well in an eventual fight against Magsayo and Vargas do you think Vargas will have the upper hand? I know that in boxing experience is an added value that is excellent, but Magsayo is already being compared to Pacquiao and that is something very big considering that Pacquiao is a legend, however the style of both fighters is different, or at least I see it like this, Magsayo in most of the times is like more explosive, he has energetic outbursts that if he does not remove himself quickly the opponent can give him a good knockout, if this happens with Vargas I think many probabilities can fall and the statistics that are always handled don't you think?
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Magsayo has the advantage in terms of raw power but Vargas experience will give him a hard time landing that solid direct hit to bring down to canvas this Mexican fighter. This fight is very exciting to watch since both of them have a record to protect.

This is true, Magsayo has to learn how to do the right timing as he cannot just rely on his power all the time. There are technical boxers that are hard to beat, they are quick and very smart in the ring, so if Magsayo does not improve, he has no chance to win once the fight is decided by the judges.

This is what I'm afraid of in this match, Vargas is very good on getting points while Magsayo wants a blow-by-blow fight which might be his weakness if Vargas gets an early score lead while Magsayo attempt to recover and start chasing his opponents until he gave some opening for Vargas to gave him one solid punch. Mexican boxers on Featherweight are very good at scoring-type games. The game will be in favor with Vargas if Magsaya don't manage to give him an early damage to slow him down.
That's the weakness of Magsayo, he is not a complete fighter, he has the power but in terms of techniques, he is still not that good. Actually, I am seeing this fight as the biggest challenge of Magsayo so far in his boxing career, and I'm afraid he will lose if he will not make an adjustment.

Perhaps it's an area that he needs to improved, he is under Freddy Roach so for sure he knows it and try to mitigate by teaching his pupil to improved. Manny was just like that in the beginning, all left. But Roach turns him into a beast, developing a lead right or right hook that knock down many of his opponents. So let's see if he can also developed and become a multi dimensional fighter in the process.
He indeed needs some improvement but I bet he already have some experience from defeating Russell Jr. last January this year and that's the first time he was coached by Freddie Roach so I assume the coach really put some knowledge to his mind to excel in that fight. Though he's not that experienced but I'm sure as well that he can overcome this fight against Vargas.
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