[Boxing] Mark Magsayo vs Rey Vargas WBC Featherweight Title (July 9) - page 17.

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As for Mark, even if he is the underdog, he can still win this fight.

Wait, Mark Magsayo is the underdog in terms of what?

Stats? Tale-of-the-Tape? Age? Winning record? Number of TKO? Technical analysis? Power (is this even can measure?)? Strength? The difficulty of training?

I looked for the odds preview on this fight but found nothing. Why others are already considering Magsayo as an underdog here?

As per tale of the tape, both are undefeated but Vargas has the height and reach advantage and has more experience. KO percentage is almost the same, 67% for Magsayo, 63% for Vargas.

The fight is a month to go, and maybe as we get closer, crypto sports bookies might open their line here. Maybe this is not as well known as other fights that have a line already. But definitely, this will be one hell of a fight.

Height and reach advantage but still, if those are only the advantages of Vargas, I would never consider Magsayo as an underdog.

I think the odds will just be equal or not that wide. Even though I'm trying to understand the sentiment of others that Vargas is the favorite, I can't really say that's the situation here. Magsayo is a Champion and regardless of whether Vargas is more experienced, that's not the basis.

But you are right, we have to wait for the official odds to be released to see if our speculation is right on whether Magsayo is the Favorite, Underdog or equal.

Yes, even in the Kambosos vs Haney fight, we think that Kambosos will be the favorite as he has beaten one of the best in the division in Lopez, and then the fight is going to happen in Australia. And yet they put Haney as the favorite even though Haney has a weak chin to begin with and then obviously doesn't have the knock out power. Maybe those sport bookies see something that us boxing fans tend to ignore or doesn't look at.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on June 04, 2022, 08:46:12 AM

Maybe what we need is a convincing win coming from Mark to let us change our stance against him. Of course, we are not a hater, perhaps Manny or Nonito has raise the bar so high for PH boxers to follow. And so far we haven't seen that statement win from Magsayo although he has been a champion in his own right. So this a deal breaker for him, if he is the underdog and then win impressively, then his name will be in the radar moving forward.

Hmm, that was too much to ask for me. Magsayo doesn't need to convince anyone as long as he wins in a fair fight and we can see him doing his hard effort.

He is not fighting to impress people and shows a convincing win. Regardless of how the fight went through if in the end, Magsayo's name was announced as the winner, which is already something to be proud of.

He has his own name and aligning him with the likes of Manny Pacquiao and Nonito Donaire doesn't make sense.

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Quote from: mirakal on June 04, 2022, 02:01:33 PM

Anyway, he still have a lot to prove before he can be a star like his predecessors and maybe coach Freddie Roach could teach him a new thing or two.

That will come step by step. Slowly but surely. As long as Magsayo continues to win, even how hard that fight is, he will slowly build his name on the top. It's been a while since we a PH Champion are dominating the FeatherWeight division. I hope Magsayo will stay here and defend his title for at least 2 to 3 fights before considering moving up a weight class.

There are big names that he can target in the LightWeight division if ever Magsayo finished all his tasks on the Featherweight and proves he's the King here.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 01, 2022, 09:04:03 PM

As for Mark, even if he is the underdog, he can still win this fight.

Wait, Mark Magsayo is the underdog in terms of what?

Stats? Tale-of-the-Tape? Age? Winning record? Number of TKO? Technical analysis? Power (is this even can measure?)? Strength? The difficulty of training?

I looked for the odds preview on this fight but found nothing. Why others are already considering Magsayo as an underdog here?

As of now, the sports bookies haven't opened some line regarding this fight. Maybe the bookies will update the odds 2 week before the schedule of fight and if the lines will open soon, I bet Magsayo is the one who will be the favorite to win by the sport bookies as he is the champion.

I believe that is just a misunderstanding, as you can see @Kemarit used the word "if".

There's no betting odds yet so we cannot conclude that Magsayo is the underdog.

Saying Magsayo is an underdog is just like underestimating him as a champion, it's very rare in boxing that the Champion is the underdog, unless that champion's capabiilty is a big questionable. Well, let us not come into conclusion yet, speculate but wait for the official betting odds.

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Quote from: goinmerry on June 03, 2022, 06:07:59 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on June 01, 2022, 09:04:03 PM

As for Mark, even if he is the underdog, he can still win this fight.

Wait, Mark Magsayo is the underdog in terms of what?

Stats? Tale-of-the-Tape? Age? Winning record? Number of TKO? Technical analysis? Power (is this even can measure?)? Strength? The difficulty of training?

I looked for the odds preview on this fight but found nothing. Why others are already considering Magsayo as an underdog here?

As of now, the sports bookies haven't opened some line regarding this fight. Maybe the bookies will update the odds 2 week before the schedule of fight and if the lines will open soon, I bet Magsayo is the one who will be the favorite to win by the sport bookies as he is the champion.

I believe that is just a misunderstanding, as you can see @Kemarit used the word "if".

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As for Mark, even if he is the underdog, he can still win this fight.

How can you say that he is the underdog?
He is the defending champion in this particular fight, you should share the betting odds for us to verify that Mark Magsayo is really the underdog.

I think the defending champion will be very difficult to beat but there is a possibility that when Mark Maksayo makes a mistake and is read by the opponent, the opponent must be able to take advantage of the moment as possible because when in the ring anything can happen without realizing it. Hopefully this won't be Mark Maksayo's nightmare.

Well, as for Mark Magsayo, I have no doubts that he can defeat Vargas here even if the the latter have the advantages like experience, height and reach. That was just a figure and record but that doesn't mean that the defending champion have a slim chance here, I believe Magsayo will have a bright future in this industry and with Freddie Roach in his side, he can go beyond.

We will find it out, he has to pass a tough challenge in this fight, and if he wins convincingly, then maybe he really has a bright future. A fight should be dominated by him and he has to show some new skillset that would surprise people with his improvement. Anyway, I still hope he would win, so I'll say good luck to him.

And I really believe that he will pass the challenge, he is the defending champion here so I doubt that he would just give the challenger, Rey Vargas an easy fight here. That latter might have some advantages but when it comes to power and skills, surely Magsayo have those. Anyway, he still have a lot to prove before he can be a star like his predecessors and maybe coach Freddie Roach could teach him a new thing or two.

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Quote from: Shamm on June 04, 2022, 08:55:05 AM

magsayo has a bright future in the world of boxing and its became more if he will win in this match because we all know that vargas in one of the most recognized boxer in the world but if he loss against magsayo its a big achievement for the Filipino pride. In this case or in this fight this is the best fight we ever want to watch in this year. Hope for the win by a Filipino.

Actually the most anticipated match for this year is between Donaire and Inoue, well Magsayo is on a different level so we might consider this.
Magsayo is very talented and we've seen his matches before, this is why he's the defending champion and the challenger here is Vargas which is not an easy opponent for Magasayo on his first try to defend his belt. A month from now we will witness him on the ring again, I hope he's in a good condition so he can fight well. I will bet for Magsayo here, Filipino pride will always have my support even if the odds is not in favor to Filipino boxer.

After witnessing the rematch of Inoue and Donaire another interesting fight against Magsayo and Vargas, boxing fans will only ave 1 month and the fight right after Donaire will bring another hypes to especially to all Pinoy fans and gamblers, we can't conclude if who have a better chance here, Magsayo to defend his belt while Vargas will try moving up to this weight division both will be hunger to win the fight only one man will stand to win, else, a draw will take place.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on April 26, 2022, 07:37:07 AM

I'm sure the fight between Magsayo vs Rey Vargas will be exciting, I've never seen them both in the ring, indeed from their careers they are both quite good, you could say boxers are unbeaten at the moment.

Magsayo currently has bet 24 times and Vargas 35 times, maybe age doesn't matter even though they are 26 and 31 different, with the match schedule targeting 12 rounds, it looks like next Saturday 9 July 2022 I have to put up for Vargas, I often see the way he bets, my belief is very strong for Vargas.

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Quote from: Shamm on June 04, 2022, 08:55:05 AM

magsayo has a bright future in the world of boxing and its became more if he will win in this match because we all know that vargas in one of the most recognized boxer in the world but if he loss against magsayo its a big achievement for the Filipino pride. In this case or in this fight this is the best fight we ever want to watch in this year. Hope for the win by a Filipino.

Actually the most anticipated match for this year is between Donaire and Inoue, well Magsayo is on a different level so we might consider this.
Magsayo is very talented and we've seen his matches before, this is why he's the defending champion and the challenger here is Vargas which is not an easy opponent for Magasayo on his first try to defend his belt. A month from now we will witness him on the ring again, I hope he's in a good condition so he can fight well. I will bet for Magsayo here, Filipino pride will always have my support even if the odds is not in favor to Filipino boxer.

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and if he wins convincingly, then maybe he really has a bright future. A fight should be dominated by him and he has to show some new skillset that would surprise people with his improvement. Anyway, I still hope he would win, so I'll say good luck to him.

This is unfair to Magsayo. What if he struggles to win but he does his best? If his win will be questionable?

Saying also that Magsayo should dominate the fight is like treating Vargas as an easy opponent. That's not the case here.

If the fight was close, that's a good fight compared to watching a landslide victory. I will recognize Magsayo's win regardless of how he wins the fight.

magsayo has a bright future in the world of boxing and its became more if he will win in this match because we all know that vargas in one of the most recognized boxer in the world but if he loss against magsayo its a big achievement for the Filipino pride. In this case or in this fight this is the best fight we ever want to watch in this year. Hope for the win by a Filipino.

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 04, 2022, 07:28:40 AM

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and if he wins convincingly, then maybe he really has a bright future. A fight should be dominated by him and he has to show some new skillset that would surprise people with his improvement. Anyway, I still hope he would win, so I'll say good luck to him.

This is unfair to Magsayo. What if he struggles to win but he does his best? If his win will be questionable?

Saying also that Magsayo should dominate the fight is like treating Vargas as an easy opponent. That's not the case here.

If the fight was close, that's a good fight compared to watching a landslide victory. I will recognize Magsayo's win regardless of how he wins the fight.

We have our personal opinion dude, I just get used to seeing a Filipino champion that has been dominating their opponent, and Magsayo does not pass on my satisfaction. I don't know, I'm not impressed so much, maybe I'll change the way I see if he will have an impressive win in this fight.

Maybe what we need is a convincing win coming from Mark to let us change our stance against him. Of course, we are not a hater, perhaps Manny or Nonito has raise the bar so high for PH boxers to follow. And so far we haven't seen that statement win from Magsayo although he has been a champion in his own right. So this a deal breaker for him, if he is the underdog and then win impressively, then his name will be in the radar moving forward.

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As for Mark, even if he is the underdog, he can still win this fight.

Wait, Mark Magsayo is the underdog in terms of what?

Stats? Tale-of-the-Tape? Age? Winning record? Number of TKO? Technical analysis? Power (is this even can measure?)? Strength? The difficulty of training?

I looked for the odds preview on this fight but found nothing. Why others are already considering Magsayo as an underdog here?

As per tale of the tape, both are undefeated but Vargas has the height and reach advantage and has more experience. KO percentage is almost the same, 67% for Magsayo, 63% for Vargas.

The fight is a month to go, and maybe as we get closer, crypto sports bookies might open their line here. Maybe this is not as well known as other fights that have a line already. But definitely, this will be one hell of a fight.

Height and reach advantage but still, if those are only the advantages of Vargas, I would never consider Magsayo as an underdog.

I think the odds will just be equal or not that wide. Even though I'm trying to understand the sentiment of others that Vargas is the favorite, I can't really say that's the situation here. Magsayo is a Champion and regardless of whether Vargas is more experienced, that's not the basis.

But you are right, we have to wait for the official odds to be released to see if our speculation is right on whether Magsayo is the Favorite, Underdog or equal.

Magsayo is the favorite and yet we thought that Magsayo will not be the favorite, I think there's something wrong with that guess. We will find out once the odds are release, but for now, I would respect Magsayo and believe that as a champ, he will be the favorite to win this fight.

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Quote from: agustina2 on June 03, 2022, 06:55:16 PM

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and if he wins convincingly, then maybe he really has a bright future. A fight should be dominated by him and he has to show some new skillset that would surprise people with his improvement. Anyway, I still hope he would win, so I'll say good luck to him.

This is unfair to Magsayo. What if he struggles to win but he does his best? If his win will be questionable?

Saying also that Magsayo should dominate the fight is like treating Vargas as an easy opponent. That's not the case here.

If the fight was close, that's a good fight compared to watching a landslide victory. I will recognize Magsayo's win regardless of how he wins the fight.

We have our personal opinion dude, I just get used to seeing a Filipino champion that has been dominating their opponent, and Magsayo does not pass on my satisfaction. I don't know, I'm not impressed so much, maybe I'll change the way I see if he will have an impressive win in this fight.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 03, 2022, 07:32:41 PM

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 01, 2022, 09:04:03 PM

As for Mark, even if he is the underdog, he can still win this fight.

Wait, Mark Magsayo is the underdog in terms of what?

Stats? Tale-of-the-Tape? Age? Winning record? Number of TKO? Technical analysis? Power (is this even can measure?)? Strength? The difficulty of training?

I looked for the odds preview on this fight but found nothing. Why others are already considering Magsayo as an underdog here?

As per tale of the tape, both are undefeated but Vargas has the height and reach advantage and has more experience. KO percentage is almost the same, 67% for Magsayo, 63% for Vargas.

The fight is a month to go, and maybe as we get closer, crypto sports bookies might open their line here. Maybe this is not as well known as other fights that have a line already. But definitely, this will be one hell of a fight.

Height and reach advantage but still, if those are only the advantages of Vargas, I would never consider Magsayo as an underdog.

I think the odds will just be equal or not that wide. Even though I'm trying to understand the sentiment of others that Vargas is the favorite, I can't really say that's the situation here. Magsayo is a Champion and regardless of whether Vargas is more experienced, that's not the basis.

But you are right, we have to wait for the official odds to be released to see if our speculation is right on whether Magsayo is the Favorite, Underdog or equal.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 03, 2022, 07:32:41 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on June 03, 2022, 06:07:59 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on June 01, 2022, 09:04:03 PM

As for Mark, even if he is the underdog, he can still win this fight.

Wait, Mark Magsayo is the underdog in terms of what?

Stats? Tale-of-the-Tape? Age? Winning record? Number of TKO? Technical analysis? Power (is this even can measure?)? Strength? The difficulty of training?

I looked for the odds preview on this fight but found nothing. Why others are already considering Magsayo as an underdog here?

As per tale of the tape, both are undefeated but Vargas has the height and reach advantage and has more experience. KO percentage is almost the same, 67% for Magsayo, 63% for Vargas.

The fight is a month to go, and maybe as we get closer, crypto sports bookies might open their line here. Maybe this is not as well known as other fights that have a line already. But definitely, this will be one hell of a fight.

The fight is very interesting since it's a classic Filipino and Mexican rivalry on the featherweight division. I agree that Vargas has the upper hand due to his reach advantage and experience but for only a slight chance since Magsayo is very young compared to Vargas with 5 years age gap. Sportsbetting casino still doesn't offer a prematch bet but I will definitely bet for Magsayo this time because he wants to prove that his upset victory against Gary Russell is really due to skills. I believe he will defend the title properly.

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Quote from: goinmerry on June 03, 2022, 06:07:59 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on June 01, 2022, 09:04:03 PM

As for Mark, even if he is the underdog, he can still win this fight.

Wait, Mark Magsayo is the underdog in terms of what?

Stats? Tale-of-the-Tape? Age? Winning record? Number of TKO? Technical analysis? Power (is this even can measure?)? Strength? The difficulty of training?

I looked for the odds preview on this fight but found nothing. Why others are already considering Magsayo as an underdog here?

As per tale of the tape, both are undefeated but Vargas has the height and reach advantage and has more experience. KO percentage is almost the same, 67% for Magsayo, 63% for Vargas.

The fight is a month to go, and maybe as we get closer, crypto sports bookies might open their line here. Maybe this is not as well known as other fights that have a line already. But definitely, this will be one hell of a fight.

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 03, 2022, 04:33:08 PM

and if he wins convincingly, then maybe he really has a bright future. A fight should be dominated by him and he has to show some new skillset that would surprise people with his improvement. Anyway, I still hope he would win, so I'll say good luck to him.

This is unfair to Magsayo. What if he struggles to win but he does his best? If his win will be questionable?

Saying also that Magsayo should dominate the fight is like treating Vargas as an easy opponent. That's not the case here.

If the fight was close, that's a good fight compared to watching a landslide victory. I will recognize Magsayo's win regardless of how he wins the fight.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 01, 2022, 09:04:03 PM

As for Mark, even if he is the underdog, he can still win this fight.

Wait, Mark Magsayo is the underdog in terms of what?

Stats? Tale-of-the-Tape? Age? Winning record? Number of TKO? Technical analysis? Power (is this even can measure?)? Strength? The difficulty of training?

I looked for the odds preview on this fight but found nothing. Why others are already considering Magsayo as an underdog here?

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Quote from: mirakal on June 03, 2022, 02:36:39 PM

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 01, 2022, 09:04:03 PM

As for Mark, even if he is the underdog, he can still win this fight.

How can you say that he is the underdog?
He is the defending champion in this particular fight, you should share the betting odds for us to verify that Mark Magsayo is really the underdog.

I think the defending champion will be very difficult to beat but there is a possibility that when Mark Maksayo makes a mistake and is read by the opponent, the opponent must be able to take advantage of the moment as possible because when in the ring anything can happen without realizing it. Hopefully this won't be Mark Maksayo's nightmare.

Well, as for Mark Magsayo, I have no doubts that he can defeat Vargas here even if the the latter have the advantages like experience, height and reach. That was just a figure and record but that doesn't mean that the defending champion have a slim chance here, I believe Magsayo will have a bright future in this industry and with Freddie Roach in his side, he can go beyond.

We will find it out, he has to pass a tough challenge in this fight, and if he wins convincingly, then maybe he really has a bright future. A fight should be dominated by him and he has to show some new skillset that would surprise people with his improvement. Anyway, I still hope he would win, so I'll say good luck to him.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on June 02, 2022, 06:08:02 PM

Quote from: Japinat on June 02, 2022, 09:31:48 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on June 01, 2022, 09:04:03 PM

As for Mark, even if he is the underdog, he can still win this fight.

How can you say that he is the underdog?
He is the defending champion in this particular fight, you should share the betting odds for us to verify that Mark Magsayo is really the underdog.

I think the defending champion will be very difficult to beat but there is a possibility that when Mark Maksayo makes a mistake and is read by the opponent, the opponent must be able to take advantage of the moment as possible because when in the ring anything can happen without realizing it. Hopefully this won't be Mark Maksayo's nightmare.

Well, as for Mark Magsayo, I have no doubts that he can defeat Vargas here even if the the latter have the advantages like experience, height and reach. That was just a figure and record but that doesn't mean that the defending champion have a slim chance here, I believe Magsayo will have a bright future in this industry and with Freddie Roach in his side, he can go beyond.

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