Topic: [Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13 - page 35. (Read 16002 times)

I agree even though it's easier said than done because we aren't the ones who will face the monster of Japan soon

But yes, if Butler will just run mostly throughout the fight, he will probably be teased and embarrassed by the public because of the cowardice he showed. Yet he will be respected if he goes head-to-head towards Inoue without backing down an inch, bruises will be healed but respect is earned. Anyway, only Butler can answer that for us if he truly a man of himself just like what he said recently.

Yes, no offense for Butler's fans here but clearly, he is no match for the current Inoue and dodging the punches won't get him safe too because the latter can be fast if he wanted to which also makes his punches harder to predict. Butler might be surprised that he is punched already even before he noticed it, that's how fast the current monster is and in fact, Donaire said that Inoue now is unpredictable and harder to read.

I think many boxing fans will agree with you, however we need to look at this from the point of view of the boxer himself, if Butler goes out there and tries to fight Inoue and answer every single punch he receives there is a very real possibility that he could be knocked out on the first rounds of the fight, and you must understand that this is something very difficult to accept for someone that is a champion, so even if he knows there is not much of a possibility for him to pull the win if he fights defensively at least he can protect his ego that way and not lose as fast as he could lose in the scenario that you present.

Perhaps, but it's going to be a suicide for him. If he felt the boxer, the initial reaction for him is to cover up. Unless he is really going for a war then he should be ready with his chin because that will be big target for hard hitting Inoue. And it will be over in less than 6 rounds maybe if he goes toe-to-toe I reckon.


I'm not sure about the respect though, they are trying to hurt each other, even might be thinking of cutting each other heads off. He will get the respect if he win this fight, which the majority of us thinks that is a very slim chance of happening.

Paul Butler should just go toe to toe. It's a rare chance to have a chance fighting Naoya Inoue so better feel the pain of punches that Inoue will land on him. If Butler will just run, he will just be part of an embarrassing history that runs throughout the match just to avoid the heavy punch of Inoue.

If he will fight toe to toe, he might even get respect from anyone including Naoya Inoue and prove that even though he is up against a monster and as a super heavy underdog, he is not afraid to show what he got.

He is really a fan of the sports, that's why he evolved a lot since he won the WBSS tournament. But you can see that he is really above the best bantamweight that he competed in that tournament including Donaire.


No doubt, strategy wise, it might be better if he thinks of surviving the full 12 rounds. Just play defense and try to counter and score points. But if he is man enough as he have said in interviews, he will go toe to toe and ended up in the canvass for good 10 count, Body shots or that left of Inoue, which is very quick but and if hits Butler on the chin or in the temple, it will be a ko win again for the Monster.

Yes, Inoue is a total package now, good chin and defense, and not just very fast hands, but both packs so much power that when it landed to most of his opponents, they are going down or felt the punches and then going to stay defense mode until they got knock out by Inoue.

So this is more likely a very hard and difficult for Butler, but he has accepted the challenge because he is not afraid and to be honest, he doesn't have a choice, he has the belt that Inoue want so he will have to take that risk.

There's no denying that fact because undoubtedly, Butler is nowhere near the monsters current speed and prowess. Butler might be a champion but I doubt if he will still have that belt his holding if Casimero didn't struggled on his weight but we cannot do anything about that now as it's already happened. Nonetheless, all odds are in favor of Inoue and this fight will end early too.

I assume Butler's odds on the bookies will be very much tempting but that won't matter.

No one can run with Inoue with his current self today because he punched them in the stomach and that too will gonna be equivalent to being punched solid in the face. And also it will be hard fighting him toe to toe because he has some extremely fast punches and is powerful enough to stun and knock out his opponent in the span of split seconds. I'm not closing the chance for Butler but we all know that he has only little chance to win this fight or even to survive up to the last rounds.

No doubt about that, if you will review their previous fights and the way they finished or beats their opponents.

Inoue's fighting skills are far better than Butler, maybe Butler can last long if he will keep on avoiding a toe-to-toe exchanges of punches.

But if Inoue box him up the chance of him being knock down is high. The monster always has a solid follow up punch, a killing instinct that

will bring him down.

Yeah, Inoue's got a clean record and we know how he boxes and that's why we're all for him. With Butler's record, I still think of it as a good one. It may not be clean as Inoue's but there goes the good for that record.

Only 2 losses and got 15 KOs.

It's just that all of the boxers will do their best to beat their opponents especially if they're treated as the underdog on their match. A good try if he wins and still a nice try if he losses.

Inoue should leave the promotion much sooner before he ends up like Crawford, he should already knew that. He doesn't need to build his own promotional company but sheltering in another promotional company will do the trick.

Although boxers already knew Bob Arum's character and his way in boxing but these boxers need Arum to at least make a name in the industry because Arum knows well how to work things out to have a profitable fight.

If Butler will stay right in front Inoue without running mostly throughout the fight then we can somehow assume that the fight will likely end in knockout or by TKO, but we know that Butler already knew Inoue's monstrous strength so I don't really expect him to fight the latter in a toe-to-toe deathmatch nor test it as he knew that his skills is no where near the Japanese boxer.

Inoue is a tough boxer in the bantamweight division and he is unstoppable right now but all of these are gone if his age gets older. In comparing Pacman and inoue there are different stories behind the scene of their career and as we observe Pacman achieved more in a short time because of the fight in a different division every time he won in his current weight he challenge another fighter who is in a high weight than his current division and also bob arum supported him so that he gave a chance to fight. In Inoue's situation now he is the king of bantamweight then he can climb into next division if his body can.

Okay, it seems that most people here do not like Bob Arum of Top Rank. I am not a big fan either. But to be fair. Are there even promoters we can name that are not greedy or shall we say business first rather than for the good of boxing in general?

My most hated moment with Bob Arum is when he avoided risking Pacman to Oscar Dela Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions fighters. At that time GBP has the most number of popular and exciting fighters in the division compared to Arum's. Although Pacman was able to fight Marquez and the Barrera rematch there should've been more classical fights to be made like Juan Diaz, Joel Casamayor, Michael Katsidis, Joan Guzman, Jorge Barrios, and many more. But if Pacquiao fought these great fighters one by one then I guess he would've spent most of his years at super-featherweight and lightweight. Pacman won't make it as an 8 division world champion in that case.

Another thing I don't like about Bob Arum is that I believe that he started the low-quality undercards. I can remember when he said that fight fans came for the main event and that they don't care about the supporting bouts. I used to see championship fights in the undercards which are very very rare nowadays. The sad thing is that all promoters followed it so maybe Bob is right.

At present, I think Top Rank still has the best fighters pound for pound even more if Bud hasn't left for free agency. And at present, I find Al Haymon of PBC as the most selfish promoter and the most difficult to deal with other promoters. My favorite promoter now is Eddie Hearn of Matchroom, not perfect but he did sacrifice some of his investments for the sake of boxing. 

Right, he won't be successful in boxing promotions if he doesn't know as I have said, cherry pick and then he milk then with the right amount of money. But sometimes there are fighters like Floyd who severe his tie with Arum because he doesn't want the money he is getting.

Inoue has what it takes to be a very elite fighter that's why he won and become the champion. He has the talent to build his name around. And then he hired Top Rank to promote him in the US and that's why he become a household name even for US fans.

What he is doing is all for business, players can't have the final say because it's him who are investing for a player to be popular, so it's just right that he will milk from them. As long as he is not breaking the rules of a boxing organization, then there should be no problem with that.

That's how Bob Arum built his empire, he might be as others call snake because of his careful match making of his cash cow like Manny Pacquiao. But Manny become the global phenomena and icon and thanks to Top Rank and Arum.

And so it will be the same for Inoue I guess, Top Rank has already build his career to become of the best fighter and pound for pound boxer thatt we have right now and yeah, most likely he will move up to get another belt.

We can't blame him, that's how clever he is, the reason why he is so successful as a promoter. If Inoue wants his decision not to be affected, then he has to make his own promotion like other boxers who part ways with Arum.

We know how good Arum in terms of milking his money making fighter,

but I can say that Inoue has the caliber that really brings him to standout on his division, and in terms of moving up to another weight with his fighting skills and his dedication to keep enhancing, the chance of winning is very possible for him.

Butler's name got credentials, but witnessing how Inoue put down Donaire, we can assume that it will be another KO win for Inoue.