[Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13 - page 36.

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though we knew Inoue is much faster and accurate against butler but yet none can assure that there will be a knock out though many of us expecting this to come as the fight is a Monster against Human here.
In how many occassions Inoue had proven His ability and capacity so I am looking also for a knocking down.

It's pretty safe to assume this fight will end in a knockout. The difference in talent level is just too immense. The only real question is for how many rounds will Inoue allow Butler to survive?

I know that we're all expecting a good beat from Inoue but I don't want to assume that this will end with a knockout. Butler also is showing good professional record such as Inoue.

But in all fairness, I just don't want to safely assume that it'll be like that. Well, as for the latter question, IMO it's valid that it's in the hands of Inoue if he want to end it quick or not. As I've said, Butler also has the recorded stats that's also impressive and will surely do his best to beat Inoue.

Every fighters have that same chance if they managed to prepare better from their opponents then they can the fight.

Butler has that experienced and he will use that to take his chance beating Inoue. We still don't know if who's going to win

it's just an open opinions and speculation by the fans basing on how they've seen both fighters Foght before.

He has a slim chance base on records as well. When they say It takes a monster to beat a monster, it literally what it is and Butler is just not one to qualify. Butler is a champ but doesn't have the power KO. I have watched video speculations regarding this fight and what they are saying is still Naoya that will remain to be the top.

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though we knew Inoue is much faster and accurate against butler but yet none can assure that there will be a knock out though many of us expecting this to come as the fight is a Monster against Human here.
In how many occassions Inoue had proven His ability and capacity so I am looking also for a knocking down.

It's pretty safe to assume this fight will end in a knockout. The difference in talent level is just too immense. The only real question is for how many rounds will Inoue allow Butler to survive?

I know that we're all expecting a good beat from Inoue but I don't want to assume that this will end with a knockout. Butler also is showing good professional record such as Inoue.

But in all fairness, I just don't want to safely assume that it'll be like that. Well, as for the latter question, IMO it's valid that it's in the hands of Inoue if he want to end it quick or not. As I've said, Butler also has the recorded stats that's also impressive and will surely do his best to beat Inoue.

Every fighters have that same chance if they managed to prepare better from their opponents then they can the fight.

Butler has that experienced and he will use that to take his chance beating Inoue. We still don't know if who's going to win

it's just an open opinions and speculation by the fans basing on how they've seen both fighters Foght before.

Really hard to make ourselves believed that experience could beat up to those young boomers even they do still lack on experience or on number of fights on their career but still we've
seen on how many experienced boxers does Inoue do able to take down.This boy's power isnt really a joke and this is where Butler should be focusing on his defense specially on
lower body which this is Inoue's specialty and something that should be looked upon.For now this fight is still long months to wait up and now been
focusing on upcoming GGG vs Canelo-- Sorry for the mention.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 12, 2022, 02:03:57 PM

I don't think Inoue would advance in weight division any time soon. He'll probably just stay in his weight class and defeat many challengers before deciding to go up one division. He's still young, and there isn't any rush for him to challenge a higher weight division. Vargas and other prime boxers in the Featherweight will surely be waiting for him, but these guys are no pushovers so Inoue must enjoy his reign in the Bantamweight division while it lasts.

Actually, Inoue is already enjoying his reign in the Bantamweight division. It's not making sense to see Inoue staying at that division if ever he will now be the undisputed bantamweight champion after beating Paul Butler. Nothing left to do now and he's capable or should I say overqualified to now testing the waters at a much higher division.

He's still young @ 29 but he should take advantage of his prime and face new challenges at the Featherweight since, after all, he already topped the Bantamweight. From 118-119 lbs there should be no problem for Naoya Inoue adjusting to the 122-125 lbs.

Anyways, let's just wait for his plan after this match.

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though we knew Inoue is much faster and accurate against butler but yet none can assure that there will be a knock out though many of us expecting this to come as the fight is a Monster against Human here.
In how many occassions Inoue had proven His ability and capacity so I am looking also for a knocking down.

It's pretty safe to assume this fight will end in a knockout. The difference in talent level is just too immense. The only real question is for how many rounds will Inoue allow Butler to survive?

I know that we're all expecting a good beat from Inoue but I don't want to assume that this will end with a knockout. Butler also is showing good professional record such as Inoue.

But in all fairness, I just don't want to safely assume that it'll be like that. Well, as for the latter question, IMO it's valid that it's in the hands of Inoue if he want to end it quick or not. As I've said, Butler also has the recorded stats that's also impressive and will surely do his best to beat Inoue.

Every fighters have that same chance if they managed to prepare better from their opponents then they can the fight.

Butler has that experienced and he will use that to take his chance beating Inoue. We still don't know if who's going to win

it's just an open opinions and speculation by the fans basing on how they've seen both fighters Foght before.

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Quote from: livingfree on September 13, 2022, 08:46:27 AM

I know that we're all expecting a good beat from Inoue but I don't want to assume that this will end with a knockout. Butler also is showing good professional record such as Inoue.

But in all fairness, I just don't want to safely assume that it'll be like that. Well, as for the latter question, IMO it's valid that it's in the hands of Inoue if he want to end it quick or not. As I've said, Butler also has the recorded stats that's also impressive and will surely do his best to beat Inoue.

I don't think 34-0-2 is a good record, Inoue have clean record and way better than Butler 23-0-0
Butler ever lose via TKO too, so it's a high chance he will lose via TKO/KO since his chin isn't really strong.

Of course any boxers including Butler will do his best to able compete or beat Inoue, but I'm just want to be realistic here, I see no chance Butler can pull an upset against Inoue.

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though we knew Inoue is much faster and accurate against butler but yet none can assure that there will be a knock out though many of us expecting this to come as the fight is a Monster against Human here.
In how many occassions Inoue had proven His ability and capacity so I am looking also for a knocking down.

It's pretty safe to assume this fight will end in a knockout. The difference in talent level is just too immense. The only real question is for how many rounds will Inoue allow Butler to survive?

I know that we're all expecting a good beat from Inoue but I don't want to assume that this will end with a knockout. Butler also is showing good professional record such as Inoue.

But in all fairness, I just don't want to safely assume that it'll be like that. Well, as for the latter question, IMO it's valid that it's in the hands of Inoue if he want to end it quick or not. As I've said, Butler also has the recorded stats that's also impressive and will surely do his best to beat Inoue.

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I believe Inoue can win a title in super-bantamweight. The featherweight division would likely become his limit due to his size and his age. Mid 30's athletes' bodies will change some slowly while others are quick to catch up. Inoue at over 33 years old will lose some of his quickness and strength. He may continue to become a champion like Usyk, Crawford, GGG, and Beterbiev because these people are extraordinary but that doesn't mean they didn't depreciate.

Nice explanation, he is not anymore a young boxer, so there's always a limitation once the boxer will age. Unless Inoue will continue to climb after winning a championship which is possible but unlikely to happen. He maybe a star now, but at with the same age as Pacman, Pacman has more achievements than him.

It's really hard to compare the two, I guess it's a combination of Pacman's uniqueness and Arum careful match making that he achieved so much in short amount of time.

But Inoue can still make his name and will probably can go at high 126-130 but it will be very difficult for him, facing natural fighters at that weight division.

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I believe Inoue can win a title in super-bantamweight. The featherweight division would likely become his limit due to his size and his age. Mid 30's athletes' bodies will change some slowly while others are quick to catch up. Inoue at over 33 years old will lose some of his quickness and strength. He may continue to become a champion like Usyk, Crawford, GGG, and Beterbiev because these people are extraordinary but that doesn't mean they didn't depreciate.

Nice explanation, he is not anymore a young boxer, so there's always a limitation once the boxer will age. Unless Inoue will continue to climb after winning a championship which is possible but unlikely to happen. He maybe a star now, but at with the same age as Pacman, Pacman has more achievements than him.

If the desire is to keep moving up and try to have more titles he can pursue and try his best in fighting with well-known fighters.

He needs to climb up and challenge every champion that he and his camps thinks that they can matchup and win, his age might affect his

movement after 2-3 years and we can't conclude that he won't get any serious injuries when fighting great fighters.

It' a matter of how he will take care of his body and how he will condition his mindsets to conquer more belts.

We cannot guarantee that once he moves up in weight, he will also be able to carry his speed. Bantamweight is the best division of Inoue now, so moving up is an experiment, and let's just hope that he will be comfortable with what he is doing so he will be successful as Pacquiao.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on September 13, 2022, 01:56:37 AM

Quote from: inthelongrun on September 13, 2022, 01:47:04 AM

I believe Inoue can win a title in super-bantamweight. The featherweight division would likely become his limit due to his size and his age. Mid 30's athletes' bodies will change some slowly while others are quick to catch up. Inoue at over 33 years old will lose some of his quickness and strength. He may continue to become a champion like Usyk, Crawford, GGG, and Beterbiev because these people are extraordinary but that doesn't mean they didn't depreciate.

Nice explanation, he is not anymore a young boxer, so there's always a limitation once the boxer will age. Unless Inoue will continue to climb after winning a championship which is possible but unlikely to happen. He maybe a star now, but at with the same age as Pacman, Pacman has more achievements than him.

If the desire is to keep moving up and try to have more titles he can pursue and try his best in fighting with well-known fighters.

He needs to climb up and challenge every champion that he and his camps thinks that they can matchup and win, his age might affect his

movement after 2-3 years and we can't conclude that he won't get any serious injuries when fighting great fighters.

It' a matter of how he will take care of his body and how he will condition his mindsets to conquer more belts.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on September 13, 2022, 01:47:04 AM

I believe Inoue can win a title in super-bantamweight. The featherweight division would likely become his limit due to his size and his age. Mid 30's athletes' bodies will change some slowly while others are quick to catch up. Inoue at over 33 years old will lose some of his quickness and strength. He may continue to become a champion like Usyk, Crawford, GGG, and Beterbiev because these people are extraordinary but that doesn't mean they didn't depreciate.

Nice explanation, he is not anymore a young boxer, so there's always a limitation once the boxer will age. Unless Inoue will continue to climb after winning a championship which is possible but unlikely to happen. He maybe a star now, but at with the same age as Pacman, Pacman has more achievements than him.

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Too early to tell, Many worked his way to the top while Inoue seemed to be comfortable in the bantamweight division. Many is just extraordinary, he is a legend, so it's a hard job to do to break the achievement of a legend.

Besides Inoue is around 29 years old now, while Manny's career took turn to his path to greatness at the age of 22 when he beats Ledwaba. So I think it would be hard for Inoue to conquer 5 Division in a short span of 10 years without deteriorating his body condition. We all know body suffers stress and strain every fight and some damages need to heal for a longer amount of time while others remain. But well, I agree that it is still too early to tell since a boxer can get more than 1 title in a year or two if his body is fully conditioned. Besides, this kind of stuff all depends to the promoter and manager in looking for opponent that has title and easier to beat.

While records are meant to be broken the trajectory of the career of Pacquiao is something that is going to be very difficult to emulate, Inoue is without a doubt incredibly dominant in his division but it is really difficult to keep this up as boxers climb up divisions, and this is not the only problem, age eventually catches up to everyone and there are those which due to circumstances completely outside of their control seem to lose their abilities relatively quickly, Pacquiao was the perfect combination of talent, skill and determination and it will take a lot of time for someone to come close to reach his level.

Pacquiao's legacy will be very very difficult to match. I don't even think it can be matched in a hundred years. There's a 7 division champion in women's boxing which is not that highly competitive some years ago, unlike men's boxing. Women's boxing just started to become highly competitive with the arrival of its own superstars and stars like Katie Taylor, Claressa Shields, and Mikaela Mayer.

I believe Inoue can win a title in super-bantamweight. The featherweight division would likely become his limit due to his size and his age. Mid 30's athletes' bodies will change some slowly while others are quick to catch up. Inoue at over 33 years old will lose some of his quickness and strength. He may continue to become a champion like Usyk, Crawford, GGG, and Beterbiev because these people are extraordinary but that doesn't mean they didn't depreciate.

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though we knew Inoue is much faster and accurate against butler but yet none can assure that there will be a knock out though many of us expecting this to come as the fight is a Monster against Human here.
In how many occassions Inoue had proven His ability and capacity so I am looking also for a knocking down.

It's pretty safe to assume this fight will end in a knockout. The difference in talent level is just too immense. The only real question is for how many rounds will Inoue allow Butler to survive?

I think that will depend on Butler, it's not Inoue, because if Butler will just run in the whole 12 rounds, he will surely survive, but he should not expect winning this game. The aggressiveness of Butler will be the most important factor to determine on how long he will last.

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Quote from: Reatim on September 12, 2022, 09:25:01 PM

though we knew Inoue is much faster and accurate against butler but yet none can assure that there will be a knock out though many of us expecting this to come as the fight is a Monster against Human here.
In how many occassions Inoue had proven His ability and capacity so I am looking also for a knocking down.

It's pretty safe to assume this fight will end in a knockout. The difference in talent level is just too immense. The only real question is for how many rounds will Inoue allow Butler to survive?

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Too early to tell, Many worked his way to the top while Inoue seemed to be comfortable in the bantamweight division. Many is just extraordinary, he is a legend, so it's a hard job to do to break the achievement of a legend.

Besides Inoue is around 29 years old now, while Manny's career took turn to his path to greatness at the age of 22 when he beats Ledwaba. So I think it would be hard for Inoue to conquer 5 Division in a short span of 10 years without deteriorating his body condition. We all know body suffers stress and strain every fight and some damages need to heal for a longer amount of time while others remain. But well, I agree that it is still too early to tell since a boxer can get more than 1 title in a year or two if his body is fully conditioned. Besides, this kind of stuff all depends to the promoter and manager in looking for opponent that has title and easier to beat.

While records are meant to be broken the trajectory of the career of Pacquiao is something that is going to be very difficult to emulate, Inoue is without a doubt incredibly dominant in his division but it is really difficult to keep this up as boxers climb up divisions, and this is not the only problem, age eventually catches up to everyone and there are those which due to circumstances completely outside of their control seem to lose their abilities relatively quickly, Pacquiao was the perfect combination of talent, skill and determination and it will take a lot of time for someone to come close to reach his level.

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The only advantage of Butler here is on the height comparison, he is 5′ 6″ while Inoue is 5′ 5″, but it's not a big deal because, for Inoue, he can make his opponent vow down, Donaire was even taller with 5′ 7" but he did not last against the monster Inoue.

that 1 inch advantage is nothing if we will compare to what are the advantages of Inoue against Butler .

from the stamina and experiences ? and from whom He defeated ? I'm sure that inch means nothing to this Monster from japan , he is not afraid of anyone and he had proven that from defeating one of the toughest in that division Nonito Donaire so there is no one can hinder Him from taking another momentum .

Inoue will just use his quickness and his opponent will get knocked out. That's the kind of outcome I'm expecting in this fight as Butler is not a legit champion who ripped the belt of a champion by beating him, we have to remember that he got the belt because the champion got disqualified and he will never get the respect of the majority of the fans until he can beat a real champion, and in this case, it's Inoue.

though we knew Inoue is much faster and accurate against butler but yet none can assure that there will be a knock out though many of us expecting this to come as the fight is a Monster against Human here.
In how many occassions Inoue had proven His ability and capacity so I am looking also for a knocking down.

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in order to surpass Manny Pacquiao's achievement which I think would be possible if we are right about the kind of caliber Inoue has.

It's possible. Inoue is similar to Pacquiao, precise, fast and an accurate puncher. It's a long road for Inoue before he can reach what Pacquiao achieved being a legendary, but with his current achievement right now it is possible to happen in the future.

Achievements, yes it's possible to break or equal with Manny 's career achievements. Being an 8 division champ is not easy. You have to train and punish your body more intense as you climb one division to another.
However, with skills, I think Inoue already surpassed Manny. Inoue has more killer instinct and a high IQ fighter. His speed and power combination is much better than Manny's. His KO percentage tells the whole story.

Too early to tell, Many worked his way to the top while Inoue seemed to be comfortable in the bantamweight division. Many is just extraordinary, he is a legend, so it's a hard job to do to break the achievement of a legend.

Yes, too early to tell. That's why I said "possible". As long as the boxer is still active and still on his prime, we cannot take away the possibilities of breaking someone else's records right? Though it will never be easy but I'm not saying he can either, definitely.
If its true that he's being comfortable in his current division, then I can say it's a shame as he'll eventually ran out of worthy opponents in that division.
I can see this guy could still dominate into 2-4 different Divisions. He's not called the Monster for no reason right? As I've said on my last statement, this guy already surpasses Manny in terms of skill set. So, now it's time to step up and climb up to another division to challenge his limits. Like the Canelo mindset.
We need someone as entertaining as Manny though.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on September 12, 2022, 08:03:44 AM

Too early to tell, Many worked his way to the top while Inoue seemed to be comfortable in the bantamweight division. Many is just extraordinary, he is a legend, so it's a hard job to do to break the achievement of a legend.

Besides Inoue is around 29 years old now, while Manny's career took turn to his path to greatness at the age of 22 when he beats Ledwaba. So I think it would be hard for Inoue to conquer 5 Division in a short span of 10 years without deteriorating his body condition. We all know body suffers stress and strain every fight and some damages need to heal for a longer amount of time while others remain. But well, I agree that it is still too early to tell since a boxer can get more than 1 title in a year or two if his body is fully conditioned. Besides, this kind of stuff all depends to the promoter and manager in looking for opponent that has title and easier to beat.

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He will be tested again against Butler, expect him to perform the same
way as how he over power Donaire.

I think it's better to say that Paul Butler will be the one that will be tested instead, not Inoue. Cheesy

I never see Inoue struggling in his last fights and it seems like he already mastered the way to dominate everyone in their current weight division. it's only a matter of time before he has the opportunity to try his skills in the upper weight class, where you can say he will be tested. If he has enough discipline to further increase his boxing skills, I'm sure up there would be easy as well he just needs to take care of his body from that onwards and he might gonna be one of the boxing legends by winning multiple championships in different weight divisions.

I don't think Inoue would advance in weight division any time soon. He'll probably just stay in his weight class and defeat many challengers before deciding to go up one division. He's still young, and there isn't any rush for him to challenge a higher weight division. Vargas and other prime boxers in the Featherweight will surely be waiting for him, but these guys are no pushovers so Inoue must enjoy his reign in the Bantamweight division while it lasts.

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Quote from: agustina2 on September 11, 2022, 02:23:34 PM

Quote from: Pamadar on September 11, 2022, 12:33:13 PM

He will be tested again against Butler, expect him to perform the same
way as how he over power Donaire.

I think it's better to say that Paul Butler will be the one that will be tested instead, not Inoue. Cheesy

Inoue doesn't need to be tested on this fight as he is up against Butler at all factors. The chance of Butler winning this fight is really low. The only advantage that Butler will have is if Inoue will have an injury prior to their fight. But Inoue is very disciplined with his training and never pushes his body too far that's why even a slight injury will not happen on Inoue's side during training.

I agree!

Butler is in fact the one who will be tested here and not the other way around because Inoue will be his first opponent in his record that is truly formidable unlike the ones who get the chance to get Butler defeated first. Also, this is the fight that will surely give him the struggles that he didn't experienced before.

But I really wanted to see soon how would Butler perform against Inoue because looking at his chances, it is very low and if he just wanted the money then he should have a good strategy in order avoid getting defeated by a KO.

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Quote from: yazher on September 12, 2022, 06:06:25 AM

I never see Inoue struggling in his last fights and it seems like he already mastered the way to dominate everyone in their current weight division. it's only a matter of time before he has the opportunity to try his skills in the upper weight class, where you can say he will be tested.

It's only Nonito Donaire who was able to hurt Naoya Inoue badly in his entire boxing career but still, Inoue got the win in the end. That was on their first match at the WBSS Bantamweight Finals. Inoue is able to survive those early rounds of punishments that Donaire gives and later on, dominates the later round and sealed the win. Comparing Donaire to Butler, we know who's the better between them.

Even how hard Paul Butler will do in the training, that's not enough to compete closely with Naoya Inoue. It's still a good experience though for Butler to taste the feeling of being in an undisputed and unification match. Only "true" champions experienced that feeling.

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