[ BOXING POLL ADDED ] The Rematch - JOSHUA vs USYK II (updated thread) - page 6.

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Quote from: Daltonik on July 28, 2022, 01:10:30 PM

Eddie Hearn in an interview talks about the specifics of the organization of the broadcast of the Joshua vs Usik fight (starting from 11m 08sec) and upcoming fights, as well as a possible fight between Joshua and Fury (Fury says he is ready to fight Joshua on the condition that the broadcast of the fight will be free

) and about Joshua's attitude to boxing, he also says that he is capable of win Usik, although he is an outsider.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG94B3FPRsw

And Eddie Hearn also says that he knows what Joshua needs to do to win, according to him, Joshua should press Usyk from the first round and press him to the ropes of the ring. It would be interesting to look at this, given that Usyk surpasses Joshua in speed, this advice seems not very appropriate, but no one forbade dreaming ... And I somehow don’t quite understand Joshua’s words that he doesn’t need belts if he wins he will throw them away, he only needs recognition, he doesn’t want belts, so he won’t get them. Grin

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Eddie Hearn in an interview talks about the specifics of the organization of the broadcast of the Joshua vs Usik fight (starting from 11m 08sec) and upcoming fights, as well as a possible fight between Joshua and Fury (Fury says he is ready to fight Joshua on the condition that the broadcast of the fight will be free

) and about Joshua's attitude to boxing, he also says that he is capable of win Usik, although he is an outsider.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG94B3FPRsw

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The poll in the thread still stands at 32 votes cast with 21 (65%) in favour of Usyk winning which I think is giving Joshua too much benefit with 11 votes (34%) the win.

How are the odds with bookies standing now? I think Usyk still has to be favourite by a mile to win this rematch.

Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 07, 2022, 05:14:24 AM

And here is the current odds for this fight,

Usyk - 1.49
Joshua - 2.44

And the over/under is 10.5 at 1.67/2.16

So bettors are expecting a full 12 rounds of pure clinic by Usyk. He might hurt Joshua as we all know that he doesn't have a good chin, But I don't think that he will go for the knockout. Or it might be a short night for Usyk, if Joshua will pressed hard and look for a knock out.

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How effective was Joshua really when he was going in with a scrap/brawl mindset? His win rate was excellent of course with only Ruiz and Usyk being his only defeats but in both he was outboxed. He won those so-called scraps and brawls, a prime example being parts of his fight against Parker which Joshua won on a points decision but they did nit endear him as a great fighter.

Joshua seemed to be in a scrap or brawl type of fight against Ruiz in the earlier rounds before he was knocked out therefore I doubt he will be able to bully Usyk in the ring simply because Usyk will not let him. I cannot see Joshua winning this rematch.

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Quote from: Welsh on July 07, 2022, 09:58:28 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on July 07, 2022, 07:07:16 AM

I know he left Joshua badly bruised in the fist fight therefore he probably does have the power to push for a knockout but which version of Joshua will be see in the ring in the rematch. The confused fighter that got destroyed by Ruiz or the patient jabbing fighter that won the Ruiz rematch? Let us not forget Joshua was comprehensively outboxed by Usyk in their fight too.

I'm hoping for neither. I want the old Joshua back that like to get into brawls. Think about the first Ruiz fight, Joshua went into that confident, got into a gun fight, and got clipped. However, he knocked Ruiz down before that exchange that hurt him. Ever since, he has just seemed a shadow of himself, and doesn't want to get in them risky, high reward sequences.

I'm not expecting Usyk to engage in them either, but if Joshua can turn up the pressure it'll be more entertaining for the fans at least. Otherwise, I literally see no other result other than A Usyk win, whether that's by a surprise knockout or the usual decision.

AJ has to go in for a scrap. If he just lazily walks into this without committing or hoping to win it miraculously on points I think a lot of people are going to lose interest in him. He needs to change up his gameplan otherwise it's just going to be a repeat of the first fight. He needs to get the win for that Fury fight which will almost certainly happen if he gets the belts back. If not Fury will probably just fight Usyk but for some reason I really want to see him against AJ more.

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Quote from: Welsh on July 07, 2022, 09:58:28 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on July 07, 2022, 07:07:16 AM

I know he left Joshua badly bruised in the fist fight therefore he probably does have the power to push for a knockout but which version of Joshua will be see in the ring in the rematch. The confused fighter that got destroyed by Ruiz or the patient jabbing fighter that won the Ruiz rematch? Let us not forget Joshua was comprehensively outboxed by Usyk in their fight too.

I'm hoping for neither. I want the old Joshua back that like to get into brawls. Think about the first Ruiz fight, Joshua went into that confident, got into a gun fight, and got clipped. However, he knocked Ruiz down before that exchange that hurt him. Ever since, he has just seemed a shadow of himself, and doesn't want to get in them risky, high reward sequences.

I'm not expecting Usyk to engage in them either, but if Joshua can turn up the pressure it'll be more entertaining for the fans at least. Otherwise, I literally see no other result other than A Usyk win, whether that's by a surprise knockout or the usual decision.

That first fight against Ruiz really messed him up, if we remember the context of that fight Wilder had beaten Breazeale on the first round just a few weeks prior, at the time there were rumors about an unification fight and Joshua wanted to give a good impression to the US fans on his debut there but then out of nowhere he was defeated, and even if he won the rematch against Ruiz he has not been the same ever since, I wonder if the effects are just psychological or if all the hits he received left some side-effects on him, however regardless of the reason if he wants to win this fight he needs to be incredibly aggressive against Usyk, because in a long fight the technical resources of Usyk will allow him to win 10 out of 10 fights against Joshua.

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Quote from: Welsh on July 07, 2022, 09:58:28 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on July 07, 2022, 07:07:16 AM

I know he left Joshua badly bruised in the fist fight therefore he probably does have the power to push for a knockout but which version of Joshua will be see in the ring in the rematch. The confused fighter that got destroyed by Ruiz or the patient jabbing fighter that won the Ruiz rematch? Let us not forget Joshua was comprehensively outboxed by Usyk in their fight too.

I'm hoping for neither. I want the old Joshua back that like to get into brawls. Think about the first Ruiz fight, Joshua went into that confident, got into a gun fight, and got clipped. However, he knocked Ruiz down before that exchange that hurt him. Ever since, he has just seemed a shadow of himself, and doesn't want to get in them risky, high reward sequences.

I'm not expecting Usyk to engage in them either, but if Joshua can turn up the pressure it'll be more entertaining for the fans at least. Otherwise, I literally see no other result other than A Usyk win, whether that's by a surprise knockout or the usual decision.

AJ has to go in for a scrap. If he just lazily walks into this without committing or hoping to win it miraculously on points I think a lot of people are going to lose interest in him. He needs to change up his gameplan otherwise it's just going to be a repeat of the first fight. He needs to get the win for that Fury fight which will almost certainly happen if he gets the belts back. If not Fury will probably just fight Usyk but for some reason I really want to see him against AJ more.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 07, 2022, 07:07:16 AM

I know he left Joshua badly bruised in the fist fight therefore he probably does have the power to push for a knockout but which version of Joshua will be see in the ring in the rematch. The confused fighter that got destroyed by Ruiz or the patient jabbing fighter that won the Ruiz rematch? Let us not forget Joshua was comprehensively outboxed by Usyk in their fight too.

I'm hoping for neither. I want the old Joshua back that like to get into brawls. Think about the first Ruiz fight, Joshua went into that confident, got into a gun fight, and got clipped. However, he knocked Ruiz down before that exchange that hurt him. Ever since, he has just seemed a shadow of himself, and doesn't want to get in them risky, high reward sequences.

I'm not expecting Usyk to engage in them either, but if Joshua can turn up the pressure it'll be more entertaining for the fans at least. Otherwise, I literally see no other result other than A Usyk win, whether that's by a surprise knockout or the usual decision.

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I completely understand what you said, Usyk was not going for the knockout but the way I see it Joshua will have to box hard and clever and he will get tired. That is when Usyk will have the opportunity to go for a knockout.

I know he left Joshua badly bruised in the fist fight therefore he probably does have the power to push for a knockout but which version of Joshua will be see in the ring in the rematch. The confused fighter that got destroyed by Ruiz or the patient jabbing fighter that won the Ruiz rematch? Let us not forget Joshua was comprehensively outboxed by Usyk in their fight too.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 06, 2022, 10:57:53 AM

I will not placing a bet on the fight but do have a strong belief and confidence in that Usyk will out box Joshua again and he will win by knockout. Joshua has tools at his disposal to win the fight but he was unable to trouble Usyk in the first meeting and I see no reason why he will be able unleash them in the rematch. Usyk should win the fight comfortably.

Not sure Usyk has the power to put Joshua away or the pressure. In the first fight he did hurt Joshua quite a few times, but he never presses on it. He goes back to sitting behind his jab. So, in my opinion to knock Joshua out he'll need to be really loading up his shots, and he doesn't really do that. He isn't putting Joshua out in one punch, at least I wouldn't have thought so, and nothing up until this point has suggested he can.

I might bet on it, along with a few UFC fights. Usyk be decision again looks the most likely, and should get decents odds. Should be above evens I imagine.

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And here is the current odds for this fight,

Usyk - 1.49
Joshua - 2.44

And the over/under is 10.5 at 1.67/2.16

So bettors are expecting a full 12 rounds of pure clinic by Usyk. He might hurt Joshua as we all know that he doesn't have a good chin, But I don't think that he will go for the knockout. Or it might be a short night for Usyk, if Joshua will pressed hard and look for a knock out.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 06, 2022, 10:57:53 AM

I will not placing a bet on the fight but do have a strong belief and confidence in that Usyk will out box Joshua again and he will win by knockout. Joshua has tools at his disposal to win the fight but he was unable to trouble Usyk in the first meeting and I see no reason why he will be able unleash them in the rematch. Usyk should win the fight comfortably.

Not sure Usyk has the power to put Joshua away or the pressure. In the first fight he did hurt Joshua quite a few times, but he never presses on it. He goes back to sitting behind his jab. So, in my opinion to knock Joshua out he'll need to be really loading up his shots, and he doesn't really do that. He isn't putting Joshua out in one punch, at least I wouldn't have thought so, and nothing up until this point has suggested he can.

I might bet on it, along with a few UFC fights. Usyk be decision again looks the most likely, and should get decents odds. Should be above evens I imagine.

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And this is what former Brit champion David Haye has to say about Joshua if he losses to Usyk again:

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“If he doesn’t win, I am not sure he wants to be in a sport where he knows he is not the best. He got out-hustled by someone he knows he can beat and if - he does everything right and Usyk still beats him - I don’t know if there is anything else for him to do in the sport," Haye said to The Sun.

“He is such a winner that I don’t know what he does next, if he loses again. He believes he has all the physical abilities to beat Usyk, so do I, so with the right plan he can get the victory.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/haye-believes-joshua-retire-from-boxing-if-usyk-wins-rematch--167462

I disagree though, I think Joshua can still continue with his career and fight again. But he has to go to a lot of fighters, gain his confidence back. It doesn't mean the end for him, but it could have a devastated effect as he has all the tools to be a great HW champion.

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I will not placing a bet on the fight but do have a strong belief and confidence in that Usyk will out box Joshua again and he will win by knockout. Joshua has tools at his disposal to win the fight but he was unable to trouble Usyk in the first meeting and I see no reason why he will be able unleash them in the rematch. Usyk should win the fight comfortably.

Quote from: Daltonik on July 05, 2022, 10:25:39 AM

Well, although Usyk came to the boxing gym at the age of 15, but before that, I think he was already well prepared physically as he was engaged in judo and even played football for the youth team.

Oh, you have big bets on Usyk's victory and even in the 5th round, I would prefer to just enjoy the fight in 12 rounds.

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The poll is much closer than I would have imagined. Right now 66.7% are going for a Usyk win whereas 33.3% are going for a Joshua win and that confuses me because there seems to a belief that Joshua just might be able to overcome Usyk.

I see Joshua having zero chance against Usyk but the poll shows 20 votes in favour of Usyk and 10 votes for Joshua. I hope there more participants in the vote in the coming days.

Usyk looks like a man on a mission with the support of the world behind him:

I hope that if the fight goes full distance and judges are to decide who is the winner, if the fight was very close, then judges wont give a victory to Usyk "only because he is from Ukraine, and Ukraine has hard time now". Dont turn boxing into Eurovision song contest. If Usyk wasnt able to KO, then he would better be dominant and win fairy. Dont want to see politics involved into sport.

We all want the same thing but whether we like it or not this can have an effect on the way the judges score the cards, after the pandemic we are seeing more unification fights than ever and I think this has been done as a way to rise once gain the popularity of boxing and give the fans what they have been craving for a lot of time, so it is likely an unification fight on the top division of boxing will come soon, and most likely they are calculating which out of Joshua and Usyk could bring more viewers and interest to the fight, and if Joshua were to win it will bring the interest of UK fans but not the rest of the world, instead if Usyk were to win then this will bring the attention of the whole world, so in a close fight I will not be surprised if Usyk will be given some preference not only as a champion but as the more marketable out of the two.

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Quote from: Daltonik on July 05, 2022, 10:25:39 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on July 05, 2022, 09:35:59 AM

I was unaware of the history behind Usyk and his career. I will need to look in to this further to get the full background but if he also first started boxing at 15 years of age he seems head and shoulders above Joshua in terms of technical skills.

I did not know he was training or sparring 15 rounds with each lasting 4 minutes but it shows a lot determination on part of Usyk. And if this is what he did it strengthens my opinion about him winning by knocking Joshua out within 5 rounds.

Well, although Usyk came to the boxing gym at the age of 15, but before that, I think he was already well prepared physically as he was engaged in judo and even played football for the youth team.

Oh, you have big bets on Usyk's victory and even in the 5th round, I would prefer to just enjoy the fight in 12 rounds.

I've seen a clip of Usyk's training and I've seen that he's too dedicated and eager to win this fight. It seems like Usyk prepared to face Joshua so I have no doubt that he could possibly win by knockout. Joshua really needs to learn how to counter all the punches that Usyk might throw. It will surely be a big challenge for him.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 05, 2022, 09:35:59 AM

I was unaware of the history behind Usyk and his career. I will need to look in to this further to get the full background but if he also first started boxing at 15 years of age he seems head and shoulders above Joshua in terms of technical skills.

I did not know he was training or sparring 15 rounds with each lasting 4 minutes but it shows a lot determination on part of Usyk. And if this is what he did it strengthens my opinion about him winning by knocking Joshua out within 5 rounds.

Well, although Usyk came to the boxing gym at the age of 15, but before that, I think he was already well prepared physically as he was engaged in judo and even played football for the youth team.

Oh, you have big bets on Usyk's victory and even in the 5th round, I would prefer to just enjoy the fight in 12 rounds.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 05, 2022, 07:25:29 AM

I would also like to see the fight going into a full 12 rounds. Joshua and his new trainer is preaching that they have developed Joshua so we wanted to see what this is though. Does he turn a good boxer, or just used his superior strength and power to overwhelm Usyk. I think the judges can't messed this up, this is a bigger fight, they better award the score to the rightful winner.

His trainer seems to be confident and doing a lot of talking but in the end it will be Joshua that enters the ring to face Usyk. I do not share the optimism he has because I am going for Usyk to win by knockout within 5 rounds.

Quote from: Daltonik on July 05, 2022, 07:51:10 AM

Yes, that's right, but Usyk also came to the boxing gym at the age of 15, but of course physically Usyk seems to me to be more resilient, as he himself said that he was preparing for the first fight with Joshua that he trained spending 15 rounds of 4 minutes, so if he doesn't miss, then most likely he should win.

I was unaware of the history behind Usyk and his career. I will need to look in to this further to get the full background but if he also first started boxing at 15 years of age he seems head and shoulders above Joshua in terms of technical skills.

I did not know he was training or sparring 15 rounds with each lasting 4 minutes but it shows a lot determination on part of Usyk. And if this is what he did it strengthens my opinion about him winning by knocking Joshua out within 5 rounds.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 05, 2022, 05:49:40 AM

Does Joshua even have the discipline to implement the changes to his style that might increase his speed while depriving Usyk of his? He is 33 years old, he came to the boxing world too late at the age of 15 and that is part of his problem. Joshua is not a natural fighter, he can defeat the likes of Whyte and Parker based on his size and power but is he really technically better that Whyte? Yes probably. Even though he defeated Parker on a points decision is he really technically better than Parker today? Probably not.

Does Joshua really have a ruthless streak in him to win if he gets in to the ring with a fully fit and focused Ruiz, Wilder, Usyk or Fury? I think it is clear he does not.

Yes, that's right, but Usyk also came to the boxing gym at the age of 15, but of course physically Usyk seems to me to be more resilient, as he himself said that he was preparing for the first fight with Joshua that he trained spending 15 rounds of 4 minutes, so if he doesn't miss, then most likely he should win.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 05, 2022, 07:00:34 AM

Highly unlikely but possible it will go 12 rounds but there is a danger that if Joshua performs a miracle and wins on points it could be a Eurovision style issue where Usyk wins when everybody knows he lost. I think a similarity would be like when Fury won the first fight against Wilder but it was awarded as a draw on the night.

Quote from: TopTort777 on July 05, 2022, 06:19:41 AM

I hope that if the fight goes full distance and judges are to decide who is the winner, if the fight was very close, then judges wont give a victory to Usyk "only because he is from Ukraine, and Ukraine has hard time now". Dont turn boxing into Eurovision song contest. If Usyk wasnt able to KO, then he would better be dominant and win fairy. Dont want to see politics involved into sport.

I would also like to see the fight going into a full 12 rounds. Joshua and his new trainer is preaching that they have developed Joshua so we wanted to see what this is though. Does he turn a good boxer, or just used his superior strength and power to overwhelm Usyk. I think the judges can't messed this up, this is a bigger fight, they better award the score to the rightful winner.

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Highly unlikely but possible it will go 12 rounds but there is a danger that if Joshua performs a miracle and wins on points it could be a Eurovision style issue where Usyk wins when everybody knows he lost. I think a similarity would be like when Fury won the first fight against Wilder but it was awarded as a draw on the night.

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I hope that if the fight goes full distance and judges are to decide who is the winner, if the fight was very close, then judges wont give a victory to Usyk "only because he is from Ukraine, and Ukraine has hard time now". Dont turn boxing into Eurovision song contest. If Usyk wasnt able to KO, then he would better be dominant and win fairy. Dont want to see politics involved into sport.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 03, 2022, 05:50:19 PM

The poll is much closer than I would have imagined. Right now 66.7% are going for a Usyk win whereas 33.3% are going for a Joshua win and that confuses me because there seems to a belief that Joshua just might be able to overcome Usyk.

I see Joshua having zero chance against Usyk but the poll shows 20 votes in favour of Usyk and 10 votes for Joshua. I hope there more participants in the vote in the coming days.

Usyk looks like a man on a mission with the support of the world behind him:

I hope that if the fight goes full distance and judges are to decide who is the winner, if the fight was very close, then judges wont give a victory to Usyk "only because he is from Ukraine, and Ukraine has hard time now". Dont turn boxing into Eurovision song contest. If Usyk wasnt able to KO, then he would better be dominant and win fairy. Dont want to see politics involved into sport.

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