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Fury definitely shouldn't be retiring when there's people like Usyk still to beat and I think he has to take those fights to cement his legacy.
You never know with Fury. I've been a fan forever, and I still don't know when he's being serious, and when he isn't. It annoys me to a certain extent, and while he's perfectly within his right, and will retire a legend. It just feels wrong to do so, when he could have two more fights against the these two men, and potentially cement his position as the best of his era, and no one would be able to argue it. Currently, we're always going to be like "what about AJ or Usyk". Even though, I'm quite confident he beats both of them, and almost certain he beats AJ, I still want to see it.

I just hope he's playing mind games, and comes back regardless who wins.
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Here is the video fo the face-off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGUlRLPCM2k

Usyk looks scary though (got to be the hair  Grin), good sense of humor but inside the ring he is very different. AJ look intense and serious, maybe he was already intimidated by Usyk?

And then the press conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6aL_uMWQTk

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That is the logical thing to do and you rightly said he would probably beat Joshua or Usyk without too much hassle. Maybe the best way to make the most money would be to let the belts slips away and then fight the winner of the Joshua vs Usyk rematch as a contender rather than as a champion.. would Fury be able to command more money that way?

Nah, no way. The opposite. The person who holds the belts holds most of the sway and can dictate most of the terms. Unless it's a mandatory fight then AJ or whoever could just refuse to fight Fury as there's nothing other than money that will make that fight happen. You might wonder why he would turn that down but if AJ knows or thinks he's likely to lose he could just go with the easier option or whoever the commission puts in front of him as mandatory. The best thing to do is for Fury to hold on to the belts but we will soon find out by the end of the month if he's serious about retiring. If AJ wins then I'm sure we will see Fury fighting him but either way I'd like to see Fury against whoever wins. Fury definitely shouldn't be retiring when there's people like Usyk still to beat and I think he has to take those fights to cement his legacy.

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We will soon see. Fury has until august 26th and after that the belts will be vacated. The logical thing would be to just fight the winner here and I think Fury wins them both without much trouble so he'd be silly to walk away now.
That is the logical thing to do and you rightly said he would probably beat Joshua or Usyk without too much hassle. Maybe the best way to make the most money would be to let the belts slips away and then fight the winner of the Joshua vs Usyk rematch as a contender rather than as a champion.. would Fury be able to command more money that way?

Either way, he should fight the winner of the Joshua vs Usyk rematch and as long as he wins then retire as a unified, undefeated and undisputed heavyweight champion.

Looking back, I do not know what went wrong with Fury during the Whyte fight. What stopped Fury pulling the trigger to go for a knockout several times per round? Eventually he caught Whyte with a head shot but it was pretty much an anti-climax as far a number one contender fighting a heavyweight champion was concerned.

If AJ does win though I'd bet a lot of money that Tyson will step into the ring for that. Apparently and according to Hearn Fury did actually send a contract over to Dillian for the trilogy but not sure whether Dillian didn't want the fight on those terms of Fury withdrew the offer. This definitely won't be the last we've heard of Fury but maybe if he walks away from these belts at the end of the month he will just do the big blockbuster exhibition fights like Ngannou and Thor etc.
Fury is box office on an international scale. There is no chance whatsoever he will not return to the ring. He needs the attention, he adores it and the fans are willing to pay top money to watch him.
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What you said is true for all promoters  Grin

They have to keep pushing for extra publicity right up until both fighters get in the ring and as you rightly stated once it is all over AJ retires, Hearn will still be promoting the next possible champion.

I do think there is a big chance Fury will be tempted out of retirement to fight Usyk or Joshua for a unification fight but first of this rematch needs to be settled.


We will soon see. Fury has until august 26th and after that the belts will be vacated. The logical thing would be to just fight the winner here and I think Fury wins them both without much trouble so he'd be silly to walk away now. If AJ does win though I'd bet a lot of money that Tyson will step into the ring for that. Apparently and according to Hearn Fury did actually send a contract over to Chisora for the trilogy but not sure whether Chisora didn't want the fight on those terms of Fury withdrew the offer. This definitely won't be the last we've heard of Fury but maybe if he walks away from these belts at the end of the month he will just do the big blockbuster exhibition fights like Ngannou and Thor etc.
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What you said is true for all promoters  Grin

They have to keep pushing for extra publicity right up until both fighters get in the ring and as you rightly stated once it is all over AJ retires, Hearn will still be promoting the next possible champion.

I do think there is a big chance Fury will be tempted out of retirement to fight Usyk or Joshua for a unification fight but first of this rematch needs to be settled.

Hearn seems to talk a lot of nonsense when he is in the mood. He is promoting Joshua and the only hope of him making more money off Joshua is if Joshua beats Usyk then manages to lure Fury out of retirement. Hearn never got over the fact he was outbid by Frank Warren for the previous Fury fight.
What's new? I mean the promoters always talk like their fighters are the next champion or unbeatable in the case of Joshua. I get it, he wants to make money, that's what he's hired for. So, I can't give him to much stick for that, he's doing his job. However, it would be refreshing to hear a little honestly from time to time, but he isn't inclined to do that, AJ pays his bills, and therefore he's always going to talk about Joshua positively. That's until he's retired, and no longer on his pay roll.

I do want to see Fury come out of retirement to fight both of them though, I want him to win obviously, and I want him to be the unanimously accepted greatest of this generation, which I already believe he is.
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"Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua 2 to be broadcast live on DAZN in 190+ markets worldwide "

https://www.dazn.com/en-CO/news/boxing/oleksandr-usyk-vs-anthony-joshua-to-be-broadcast-live-on-dazn-in-190-markets-worldwide/17svc4w7nk53k1jj0j232ynubb

Boom. Dazn has worldwide rights excluding, UK, Ukraine & Ireland, but will show it elsewhere including the States. The fight will also be streaming on YouTube for Ukrainians so maybe a proxy will work there so people can watch it for free. Main card starts at 9:00 am PST / 12:00 pm EST / 18:00 CET, 6PM GMT. Main fight is around 10.54pm GMT.
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According to this link DAZN was outbid by SkySports therefore it is PPV with them but you are right, Youtube will be showing the fight live in Ukraine.



I know Sky have got it for the UK but there's all the other rights across the world. I have German and Spanish Dazn and Dazn usually gets the rights for one of those or at least somewhere in the world. Hopefully Youtube don't block proxys and I can watch it there.

Hearn seems to talk a lot of nonsense when he is in the mood. He is promoting Joshua and the only hope of him making more money off Joshua is if Joshua beats Usyk then manages to lure Fury out of retirement. Hearn never got over the fact he was outbid by Frank Warren for the previous Fury fight.



Fury is talking a lot of nonsense as well. A couple of months ago he said he was retired and done forever. Then he says he will fight for half a billion. Then he says he will fight AJ for free. Now he's seemingly trying to fight Chisora for the third time whilst also calling out Thor. I think Hearn was right when he said he was just trying to take away the attention from AJ right now. Is he seriously serious about any of those fights? You don't know what to believe with that guy. I think the logical fight is to fight the winner of this match. The big money fight would obviously be with AJ but it's going to take a miracle for him to emerge victorious from this fight.
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Wooooow... I never thought that Fury has retired, because I remember him talking that the only belt that is left for his collection, is the belt Usyk holds. I have been living with a feeling, that he will fight the winner of Usyk vs Joshua fight, but then a rematch clause spoiled his plans, spoiled a bit.

Btw, Usyk looks bigger than he was in their first fight.



Its either Usyk has gained, or Joshua decided to lose to gain more speed. What do you think, will we see a new Joshua ?
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Hearn seems to talk a lot of nonsense when he is in the mood. He is promoting Joshua and the only hope of him making more money off Joshua is if Joshua beats Usyk then manages to lure Fury out of retirement. Hearn never got over the fact he was outbid by Frank Warren for the previous Fury fight.
What's new? I mean the promoters always talk like their fighters are the next champion or unbeatable in the case of Joshua. I get it, he wants to make money, that's what he's hired for. So, I can't give him to much stick for that, he's doing his job. However, it would be refreshing to hear a little honestly from time to time, but he isn't inclined to do that, AJ pays his bills, and therefore he's always going to talk about Joshua positively. That's until he's retired, and no longer on his pay roll.

I do want to see Fury come out of retirement to fight both of them though, I want him to win obviously, and I want him to be the unanimously accepted greatest of this generation, which I already believe he is.
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According to this link DAZN was outbid by SkySports therefore it is PPV but you are right, Youtube will be showing the fight live in Ukraine.

I have been confident Usyk will win by knockout by round 5 or so. Joshua has to go in an all out attack and then win by KO otherwise he stands no chance because technically Usyk is far superior. I have a feeling Joshua will try to outbox Usyk like he tried in the Ruiz rematch but it will backfire spectacularly.

Does anyone know if Dazn has got any of the worldwide rights to this fight? According to wiki it does but there's no source and I can't see anything official from dazn or on their socials: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksandr_Usyk_vs_Anthony_Joshua_II

Worst comes to worse I'm hoping a Ukrainian proxy will be ok to watch the fight on Usyk's own YouTube channel which he got the rights for.

Mike Tyson did not stand aside and also expressed his opinion about the upcoming Joshua vs rematch. In his opinion, Joshua poses a serious danger to the opponent, as he put it, all this is due to the fact that he is still continuing to study.

https://boxing-social.com/news/mike-tyson-insight-into-usyk-joshua-rematch/

How does he know Usyk hasn't been doing the same? There's no way he's just going to walk into this like it's an easy fight and I'm sure Usyk will be prepared, but he also has the added insight on now having fought him before. Personally, I expect a similar result, but AJ is going to have to go in for the kill this time if he doesn't want a repeat of this first fight. I can see him doing that but tiring early on and if so maybe we will see a knock out from Usyk.

Both of them have the chance to knock each other. It's just a matter of who can make it the first. Usyk is a slow starter AJ can definitely advance from there. As long as he doesn't gas out himself, his probability of winning will be higher.

Like what he did with Ruiz, AJ loses in the first fight but avenges himself after. He can also do it with Usyk in thier 2nd fight.
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According to this link DAZN was outbid by SkySports therefore it is PPV with them but you are right, Youtube will be showing the fight live in Ukraine.

I have been confident Usyk will win by knockout by round 5 or so. Joshua has to go in an all out attack and then win by KO otherwise he stands no chance because technically Usyk is far superior. I have a feeling Joshua will try to outbox Usyk like he tried in the Ruiz rematch but it will backfire spectacularly.

Does anyone know if Dazn has got any of the worldwide rights to this fight? According to wiki it does but there's no source and I can't see anything official from dazn or on their socials: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksandr_Usyk_vs_Anthony_Joshua_II

Worst comes to worse I'm hoping a Ukrainian proxy will be ok to watch the fight on Usyk's own YouTube channel which he got the rights for.

Mike Tyson did not stand aside and also expressed his opinion about the upcoming Joshua vs rematch. In his opinion, Joshua poses a serious danger to the opponent, as he put it, all this is due to the fact that he is still continuing to study.

https://boxing-social.com/news/mike-tyson-insight-into-usyk-joshua-rematch/

How does he know Usyk hasn't been doing the same? There's no way he's just going to walk into this like it's an easy fight and I'm sure Usyk will be prepared, but he also has the added insight on now having fought him before. Personally, I expect a similar result, but AJ is going to have to go in for the kill this time if he doesn't want a repeat of this first fight. I can see him doing that but tiring early on and if so maybe we will see a knock out from Usyk.
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Does anyone know if Dazn has got any of the worldwide rights to this fight? According to wiki it does but there's no source and I can't see anything official from dazn or on their socials: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksandr_Usyk_vs_Anthony_Joshua_II

Worst comes to worse I'm hoping a Ukrainian proxy will be ok to watch the fight on Usyk's own YouTube channel which he got the rights for.

Mike Tyson did not stand aside and also expressed his opinion about the upcoming Joshua vs rematch. In his opinion, Joshua poses a serious danger to the opponent, as he put it, all this is due to the fact that he is still continuing to study.

https://boxing-social.com/news/mike-tyson-insight-into-usyk-joshua-rematch/

How does he know Usyk hasn't been doing the same? There's no way he's just going to walk into this like it's an easy fight and I'm sure Usyk will be prepared, but he also has the added insight on now having fought him before. Personally, I expect a similar result, but AJ is going to have to go in for the kill this time if he doesn't want a repeat of this first fight. I can see him doing that but tiring early on and if so maybe we will see a knock out from Usyk.
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Mike Tyson did not stand aside and also expressed his opinion about the upcoming Joshua vs rematch. In his opinion, Joshua poses a serious danger to the opponent, as he put it, all this is due to the fact that he is still continuing to study.

https://boxing-social.com/news/mike-tyson-insight-into-usyk-joshua-rematch/
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Eddie Hearn in an interview talks about the specifics of the organization of the broadcast of the Joshua vs Usik fight (starting from 11m 08sec) and upcoming fights, as well as a possible fight between Joshua and Fury (Fury says he is ready to fight Joshua on the condition that the broadcast of the fight will be free Smiley ) and about Joshua's attitude to boxing, he also says that he is capable of win Usik, although he is an outsider.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG94B3FPRsw




And Eddie Hearn also says that he knows what Joshua needs to do to win, according to him, Joshua should press Usyk from the first round and press him to the ropes of the ring. It would be interesting to look at this, given that Usyk surpasses Joshua in speed, this advice seems not very appropriate, but no one forbade dreaming ... And I somehow don’t quite understand Joshua’s words that he doesn’t need belts if he wins he will throw them away, he only needs recognition, he doesn’t want belts, so he won’t get them.  Grin

Yes, you are right, and Joshua really says about it in his interview "the road to redemption" that he does not need all these belts, he only needs recognition and respect, not because of them, but because of the victory over Usyk, this is what he really needs. An open and, as it seems to me, confidential conversation about the preparation for the rematch and the analysis of the first fight with Usyk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExG6PBUqU0Q&t


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@Baofeng. There are different opinions on whether Robert Garcia is the right trainer. Some people say he is and he would help Joshua to have more aggression in the ring and attack more on the body. Others say that he might be a mistake because Joshua is a heavyweight and Robert Garcia's tactics might not be very good for heavyweights. Joshua has the speed of a cruiserweight, however. I speculate that Joshua's adjustments on Garcia's tactics might not cause a problem.

I do agree, still very early stage to say that Robert is the right trainer for him or not. That's just one opinion coming from Joe C. but he didn't elaborate if indeed Garcia is a great trainer or not.

We will only see what the plan of attack is during the actual fight. Maybe he will used that speed, or maybe he will be more aggressive than usual. Or used the jab more, going to the body first and try to soften a technical fighter such as Usyk.
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@Baofeng. There are different opinions on whether Robert Garcia is the right trainer. Some people say he is and he would help Joshua to have more aggression in the ring and attack more on the body. Others say that he might be a mistake because Joshua is a heavyweight and Robert Garcia's tactics might not be very good for heavyweights. Joshua has the speed of a cruiserweight, however. I speculate that Joshua's adjustments on Garcia's tactics might not cause a problem.



And if I'm not mistaken, Garcia hasn't train any heavyweight throughout his career as a trainer so this is a first for him. But who knows, maybe his training method can be used by Joshua, as you have said, he moves like a cruiserweight so he has the speed, he just have to understand when to throw volume punching and this could be Garcia's training style with Anthony in this fight. So we will see if the the opinion of Joshua getting Robert as his trainer is really unfavorable or not.
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@Baofeng. There are different opinions on whether Robert Garcia is the right trainer. Some people say he is and he would help Joshua to have more aggression in the ring and attack more on the body. Others say that he might be a mistake because Joshua is a heavyweight and Robert Garcia's tactics might not be very good for heavyweights. Joshua has the speed of a cruiserweight, however. I speculate that Joshua's adjustments on Garcia's tactics might not cause a problem.

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So Joe Calzaghe has his opinion on Joshua getting Robert Garcia as his trainer:

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“I’m not sure [if Joshua made the right decision in picking Garcia], we have to wait and see at the end of the day. I think it was time for him to have a change so I think that’s the right idea, whether Garcia is the right guy, I’m not sure, we’ll wait and see," Calzaghe told Boxing Social.

https://www.boxingscene.com/calzaghe-not-sure-if-joshua-made-right-decision-picking-garcia-trainer--167941

It might be true that Joshua really needs a new trainer in his career.  But yes, we will have to see if Robert Garcia will be a perfect fit for him. This is a very important fight for Joshua, if we can't or didn't see any improvement and the results are the same, I don't know how he can move forward with his career.
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Hearn seems to talk a lot of nonsense when he is in the mood. He is promoting Joshua and the only hope of him making more money off Joshua is if Joshua beats Usyk then manages to lure Fury out of retirement. Hearn never got over the fact he was outbid by Frank Warren for the previous Fury fight.

Eddie Hearn in an interview talks about the specifics of the organization of the broadcast of the Joshua vs Usik fight (starting from 11m 08sec) and upcoming fights, as well as a possible fight between Joshua and Fury (Fury says he is ready to fight Joshua on the condition that the broadcast of the fight will be free Smiley ) and about Joshua's attitude to boxing, he also says that he is capable of win Usik, although he is an outsider.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG94B3FPRsw



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