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Quote from: danherbias07 on April 11, 2023, 06:51:08 AM

Quote from: mirakal on April 10, 2023, 11:59:54 AM

Also, Eddie Hearn tried to make an appeal that the score was wrong and his cow, Murodjon, should have won that fight and retain his belts.

Better luck next time, Hearn! Grin

It's already obvious that your cow(s) really got some help in almost every fight you made.

Well, I am just glad that he is also a sport at this tweet by DAZN.
https://twitter.com/DAZNBoxing/status/1644904680072331264?s=20
Massive win for the Philippines indeed.

But have you guys imagined if it's Inoue who faced Murodjon? I mean, their camp must've thought Murodjon could easily defeat Tapales and yet it became upset. If it's Inoue right there we may have witnessed how far Inoue's power is even in a higher weight class.
I am excited to see Tapales agreeing on the challenge to unify the belts if Inoue wins against Stephen Fulton. It's either another record-breaker for Japan or it will be for the Philippines.
Was there a contract that Murodjon will get a rematch after this? I mean, that's two belts stripped from him and I doubt he will stay silent about that.

I mean, judging by what happened, Inoue could have been the new 2-belt champion at 122 now if he was the one who fought Murodjon and not Tapales. But I believe things happened for a reason, Tapales surely deserved that win but Inoue's fate is with Fulton and that's a good acid test for Inoue and for us to know if he did bring his power at 122 or even stronger compared to what he did at 118.

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Was there a contract that Murodjon will get a rematch after this? I mean, that's two belts stripped from him and I doubt he will stay silent about that.

No rematch clause but Murodjon's camp will try to ask for a rematch since they believed the fight was too tight and maybe this time around, they could twist the outcome. Now the question is, will Tapales camp agree to it or are they interested, we will find out in the next few weeks.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on April 12, 2023, 06:10:25 AM

Maybe Tapales will have a few fights before he fight with Fulton or Inoue to become an undisputed champion. There's possible a rematch against Murodjon Akhmadaliev to see if Tapales really beat him.

Did Tapales agree to the rematch? I know it's an upset, but let's give credit to Tapales. If he gives a chance for a rematch, that's even better. He is the defending champion, so Akhmadaliev will have to double his effort and convince the judges that he can dominate the champion.

For me, I would prefer to see him fight a challenger first before a unification fight. That way, he can be tested to see if he is really ready to fight the other champions. If he does end up facing Inoue in a unification battle, I will play smart and remain unbiased.

Or if there is a rematch clause to begin with?

However, I wouldn't discount the fact that yes, Akhmadaliev can request for a rematch, and the camp of Marlon can give or not give him that. Based on the scores, both judges have the same, except for the one. So there are no controversies there in my opinion. But if Marlon knows that he truly beat Akhmadaliev then maybe he will think about it and gave the consent for rematch. Of course, the money will be on the side of Tapales now since he is now the champion. But let's see.

To end this speculation, here's a news regarding their possible rematch: NO REMATCH CLAUSE FOR MURODJON AKHMADALIEV VS MARLON TAPALES

In the stated article, Akhmadaliev's promoter, Eddie Hearn, said in an interview that there was no rematch clause written on the contract but they will try to make a rematch happen and if Tapales's camp won't agree, they will try to ask the WBA to enforce a mandatory fight to get that fight. As we all know, Eddie Hearn wasn't convinced that Marlon Tapales won that match that's why they will try to negotiate for a rematch.

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Quote from: Maslate on April 12, 2023, 06:29:34 AM

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Maybe Tapales will have a few fights before he fight with Fulton or Inoue to become an undisputed champion. There's possible a rematch against Murodjon Akhmadaliev to see if Tapales really beat him.

Did Tapales agree to the rematch? I know it's an upset, but let's give credit to Tapales. If he gives a chance for a rematch, that's even better. He is the defending champion, so Akhmadaliev will have to double his effort and convince the judges that he can dominate the champion.

For me, I would prefer to see him fight a challenger first before a unification fight. That way, he can be tested to see if he is really ready to fight the other champions. If he does end up facing Inoue in a unification battle, I will play smart and remain unbiased.

Or if there is a rematch clause to begin with?

However, I wouldn't discount the fact that yes, Akhmadaliev can request for a rematch, and the camp of Marlon can give or not give him that. Based on the scores, both judges have the same, except for the one. So there are no controversies there in my opinion. But if Marlon knows that he truly beat Akhmadaliev then maybe he will think about it and gave the consent for rematch. Of course, the money will be on the side of Tapales now since he is now the champion. But let's see.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on April 12, 2023, 06:10:25 AM

Maybe Tapales will have a few fights before he fight with Fulton or Inoue to become an undisputed champion. There's possible a rematch against Murodjon Akhmadaliev to see if Tapales really beat him.

Maybe Tapales will have several fights before the fight against Fulton or Inoue arrives and Tapales has to be really careful so that nothing bad happens which will make him have trouble later when fighting Fulton or Inoue to be able to prove that he is indeed a champion and Pastas becomes the champion.
But to have a rematch against Murodjon Akhmadaliev is unlikely to happen unless later Tapales can win when fighting Fulton or Inoue.

I admit Tapales is indeed a strong and great boxer because he managed to hold the world title in the heavyweight class.
Tapales is also one of the epic boxers because he managed to have a record of 19 KO wins.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on April 12, 2023, 06:10:25 AM

Maybe Tapales will have a few fights before he fight with Fulton or Inoue to become an undisputed champion. There's possible a rematch against Murodjon Akhmadaliev to see if Tapales really beat him.

Did Tapales agree to the rematch? I know it's an upset, but let's give credit to Tapales. If he gives a chance for a rematch, that's even better. He is the defending champion, so Akhmadaliev will have to double his effort and convince the judges that he can dominate the champion.

For me, I would prefer to see him fight a challenger first before a unification fight. That way, he can be tested to see if he is really ready to fight the other champions. If he does end up facing Inoue in a unification battle, I will play smart and remain unbiased.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on April 12, 2023, 02:39:32 AM

I don't really want to think that BIG BANG Zhilei Zhang is just a cherry-picked for Joe Joyce, even though he didn't beat Filip Hrgovic and it is a Unanimous Decision victory for Filip Hrgovic A fight with Joe Joyce is also a different story, but that is what you think but for this fight, Joe Joyce is 2 years younger than Zhang so maybe he can get this done, or analysis it with their fight maybe Joyce have seen that he has a significant advantage against Zhilei Zhang,

The 2 old years old difference isn't too far and Joe Joyce also have reach advantage, if you check the odds Zhang is clearly underdog where the odds in moneyline is 7.80x. For me I don't see Zhang have a chance to beat Joyce.

Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 12, 2023, 04:11:14 AM

As for the Marlon Tapales upset, he riding high on a 3 fight winning streak, including the eliminator as who is going to face Murodjon Akhmadaliev.

You can call it upset, but for me Tapales is somewhat on his prime right now, it might be very short for him but as least he has taken advantage of and his next fight could really define his career.

Maybe Tapales will have a few fights before he fight with Fulton or Inoue to become an undisputed champion. There's possible a rematch against Murodjon Akhmadaliev to see if Tapales really beat him.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on April 11, 2023, 08:39:07 AM

Quote from: Questat on April 11, 2023, 08:25:36 AM

We might see a fight between Inoue and Donaire in the future, but this time it won't be Naoya. Donaire needs to win his championship fight to become a champion again, and if he does, there's a chance for a unification fight. I'm confident that Donaire will not go down against Takuma Inoue since he doesn't have the same level of skills and power as his brother.

Yeah high likely and it's true Takuma is really different with Naoya, I think Naoya have trained Takuma to become a better boxer, but based on the record they're different. Takuma biggest fight was against Nordine Oubaali and it's an one sided match where Oubaali dominating Takuma.

Takuma haven't fight outside from Japan too, so he will be under pressure if he fight outside from Japan.

Yes, he is very different from his brother, but as of late, I've seen glimpse of his recent fight and there are some flashes of Naoya too. However, he is too cocky as compare to his brother and maybe this will be his downturn just saying.

As for the Marlon Tapales upset, he riding high on a 3 fight winning streak, including the eliminator as who is going to face Murodjon Akhmadaliev.

You can call it upset, but for me Tapales is somewhat on his prime right now, it might be very short for him but as least he has taken advantage of and his next fight could really define his career.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on April 10, 2023, 10:00:29 AM

It's obviously a cherry pick by Joyce because Zhang didn't even able to beat Filip Hrgovic, Joyce is better than Hrgovic, I think Joyce will win via KO since
his KO rate is really high. If Joyce win via KO, it will boost his mental and he will be confident enough to challenge Tyson Fury for WBC belt. If he only win via decision, I think he will take few fight more.

I don't really want to think that BIG BANG Zhilei Zhang is just a cherry-picked for Joe Joyce, even though he didn't beat Filip Hrgovic and it is a Unanimous Decision victory for Filip Hrgovic A fight with Joe Joyce is also a different story, but that is what you think but for this fight, Joe Joyce is 2 years younger than Zhang so maybe he can get this done, or analysis it with their fight maybe Joyce have seen that he has a significant advantage against Zhilei Zhang,

Quote from: Getmon on April 11, 2023, 07:52:22 AM

Two major surprises occurred. With two belts, Marlon Tapales is the new champion. I keep thinking about whether the new boss is willing to match himself to the victor of Naoya Inoue and Steph Fulton.

Another upset occurred when the powerful left hook of Brian Mendoza caught WBC interim champion Sebastian Fundora off guard. Jermell Charlo, the undisputed champion of the division, currently has two mandates ready to include Tim Tszyu.

Takuma Inoue, the brother of Naoya Inoue, is now a world champion after acquiring the WBA belt left by his brother.

Naoya Inoue after the Stephen Fulton fight if he wins that fight the next target will surely be Marlon Tapales to unify the WBO super-bantamweight titles sure that will be a great fight to watch but I indeed am worried about Tapales because seeing how Naoya Inoue's style and how he fights well I am not really underestimating Fulton but I really think that Inoue will win against Fulton, so yeah I guess I will bet for Naoya Inoue if the odds was great,

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Quote from: blockman on April 10, 2023, 12:27:22 PM

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Good news for Filipino boxing fans, because we have a new champion in Marlon Tapales who beat and shocks Murodjon Akhmadaliev to wrestle his two belts with a majority decision with, 115-113 for Tapales and then one judge score it a lopsided 118-110 for Akhmadaliev (maybe he is on the payroll, hehehe). Both started slow but it was more of Tapales outworking him the middle to the later rounds and Akhmadaliev have signs of ring rust. And Marlon showing his shoulder roll

And now we have a new champion at 122 lbs, and Tapales or at least the winner of the Fulton and Inoue will be all go out for a super bantamweight unification fight later or early next year.

Congratulations to him, his name isn't noisy but he's lowkey achieving things and bringing the banner of our country.
There is now another someone, a kababayan that we can watch the path of his career in boxing.
I haven't watched the match yet since we've just come from a long holiday but then, it's nice to see that another countrymen, a boxing professional is making his own name and winning matches.

I think that's what Filipinos started in their journey, they started low key like Manny Pacquiao and suddenly burst into scene like recently John Riel Casimero. And it seems that Tapales is somewhat late in the party, we even haven't heard his name in the last 3 years if I'm not mistaken.

So it's good to hear that another Filipino won a belt against the bigger opponent and the obstacles that he has to go through.

Now he is waiting, against the winner of the Fulton vs Inoue fight. And it's good that at he will have more time to prepare as that fight is moved to June. So congrats for having another one of our 'kababayan', having a championship belt.

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Technically, that should be the case.

However, there are things that might influence a supposed fight. Canelo sticks to his quote before that he will never face a fellow Mexican although, at some point in his past interview, he added that if things really can't avoid, he will fight anybody. He might consider facing Benavidez in the future as the latter earned his spot to be eligible to face Canelo.

Ah, that is why many are saying Canelo is ducking Benavidez, it s not because he is afraid of Benavidez but the statement he made before that he does not want to fight his fellow Mexican unless is avoidable. It does make sense now why there is almost no chance for Canelo and Benavidez unless mandated by the sanctioning bodies.

Quote from: harizen on March 23, 2023, 06:45:03 PM

Moving forward, Benavidez is determined to beat Caleb Plant for the possible face-off with Canelo later on. And if Canelo will still insists on not fighting Benavidez because of his view about fighting fellow Mexicans, no choice but to drop his belt or there might be some boxing-related politics that will ruin the possibility of that match happening.

If Benavidez beat Caleb, the super middleweight boxing will be more interesting because there is a chance that WBC might implement a mandatory title fight between Benavidez and Canelo. I think Canelo will give in to the order and fight Benavidez.

The truth is, I would like Canelo to be able to face Benavidez, also, as Canelo is, he should accept the challenge, I don't understand why some boxers have to beg so much, Canelo wants to fight with everyone and in the end he doesn't fight with anyone, I understand that Canelo He wants to measure himself with the best, but if the others already have their commitments, a Famous boxer should not be with those things, he should have enough Conviction of what he is and what they have, There is no other way.

I agree. The governing bodies should step up and meddle in in these situations because they are the only ones who can fix the system because there are lots of good boxers that are waiting for their time to shine and it may take much more than a while to have their chance because these champions are keeping the belt at safe while only fighting cherry-picked fights. These interim champions should be given the priority to have a bite against the regular belt holder because they thrived hard to be in the exact position where they are in now. Just look at the welterweight division, there are a lot of good names there but they cannot move because Spence is taking their chance away and messing with everybody's time.

It is that this is what I have always been seeing, but lately things have been more shameless, I was a boxer and I did that, what I am showing is that I am afraid, and with fear one cannot live, especially in this sport, there are many who want to emerge, but they create a kingdom where it is very difficult to enter if you do not have the right sponsors, if you are not in the business model, no matter how good it is, they do not include you, that is sad, I see that in my country Because things are handled based on money, if the athlete is related to someone from the government or has a lot of money, then they give him the opportunity, here that is called "Rosca", but at high levels like in professional boxing It is very cheeky and what is seen.

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Congratulations to him, his name isn't noisy but he's lowkey achieving things and bringing the banner of our country.
There is now another someone, a kababayan that we can watch the path of his career in boxing.
I haven't watched the match yet since we've just come from a long holiday but then, it's nice to see that another countrymen, a boxing professional is making his own name and winning matches.

I'm guilty as well because I really thought that Donaire is the nearest one to achieve a championship status because Casimero is still earning his name at 122 now, what I know is that Tapales is in super-bantamweight as well, but I didn't know that he was scheduled to fight Murodjon Akhmadaliev who had the IBF and WBA belt.
I was surprised yesterday morning when I saw the news that we got a Filipino champion who recently upsets a champion at 122 and found out that it was Marlon Tapales.

So proud of him because he is so dedicated and fought his way to become a champion even if his fight didn't make any noise.

We're all proud of him but he wasn't given the same attention as the other champions that we've got. But this is just the start for him and I'm sure that there will be more fights about him as well and also the media should cover more of him. So that his name will get some recognition and many will start to know who he is and that he's not just a nobody but another champion that has already been made and there's more of him.

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Quote from: Questat on April 11, 2023, 08:25:36 AM

We might see a fight between Inoue and Donaire in the future, but this time it won't be Naoya. Donaire needs to win his championship fight to become a champion again, and if he does, there's a chance for a unification fight. I'm confident that Donaire will not go down against Takuma Inoue since he doesn't have the same level of skills and power as his brother.

Yeah high likely and it's true Takuma is really different with Naoya, I think Naoya have trained Takuma to become a better boxer, but based on the record they're different. Takuma biggest fight was against Nordine Oubaali and it's an one sided match where Oubaali dominating Takuma.

Takuma haven't fight outside from Japan too, so he will be under pressure if he fight outside from Japan.

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Quote from: Getmon on April 11, 2023, 07:52:22 AM

Takuma Inoue, the brother of Naoya Inoue, is now a world champion after acquiring the WBA belt left by his brother.

We might see a fight between Inoue and Donaire in the future, but this time it won't be Naoya. Donaire needs to win his championship fight to become a champion again, and if he does, there's a chance for a unification fight. I'm confident that Donaire will not go down against Takuma Inoue since he doesn't have the same level of skills and power as his brother.

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Two major surprises occurred. With two belts, Marlon Tapales is the new champion. I keep thinking about whether the new boss is willing to match himself to the victor of Naoya Inoue and Steph Fulton.

Another upset occurred when the powerful left hook of Brian Mendoza caught WBC interim champion Sebastian Fundora off guard. Jermell Charlo, the undisputed champion of the division, currently has two mandates ready to include Tim Tszyu.

Takuma Inoue, the brother of Naoya Inoue, is now a world champion after acquiring the WBA belt left by his brother.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on April 11, 2023, 06:51:08 AM

Quote from: mirakal on April 10, 2023, 11:59:54 AM

Also, Eddie Hearn tried to make an appeal that the score was wrong and his cow, Murodjon, should have won that fight and retain his belts.

Better luck next time, Hearn! Grin

It's already obvious that your cow(s) really got some help in almost every fight you made.

Well, I am just glad that he is also a sport at this tweet by DAZN.
https://twitter.com/DAZNBoxing/status/1644904680072331264?s=20
Massive win for the Philippines indeed.

But have you guys imagined if it's Inoue who faced Murodjon? I mean, their camp must've thought Murodjon could easily defeat Tapales and yet it became upset. If it's Inoue right there we may have witnessed how far Inoue's power is even in a higher weight class.
I am excited to see Tapales agreeing on the challenge to unify the belts if Inoue wins against Stephen Fulton. It's either another record-breaker for Japan or it will be for the Philippines.
Was there a contract that Murodjon will get a rematch after this? I mean, that's two belts stripped from him and I doubt he will stay silent about that.

I'm also curious if the rematch claw is under the contract in between Tapales and Murodjon, if does then we will expect another fight between them and it might be a tough for the new Pinoy champ knowing that he almost kiss the floor, but for now let him enjoy the luxury and the pride he brings to the country.

Again, we have another champ that might bring more glory if ever that there's no rematch and the possibility of facing the other champ to unify all the belts in this division.

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Quote from: mirakal on April 10, 2023, 11:59:54 AM

Also, Eddie Hearn tried to make an appeal that the score was wrong and his cow, Murodjon, should have won that fight and retain his belts.

Better luck next time, Hearn! Grin

It's already obvious that your cow(s) really got some help in almost every fight you made.

Well, I am just glad that he is also a sport at this tweet by DAZN.
https://twitter.com/DAZNBoxing/status/1644904680072331264?s=20
Massive win for the Philippines indeed.

But have you guys imagined if it's Inoue who faced Murodjon? I mean, their camp must've thought Murodjon could easily defeat Tapales and yet it became upset. If it's Inoue right there we may have witnessed how far Inoue's power is even in a higher weight class.
I am excited to see Tapales agreeing on the challenge to unify the belts if Inoue wins against Stephen Fulton. It's either another record-breaker for Japan or it will be for the Philippines.
Was there a contract that Murodjon will get a rematch after this? I mean, that's two belts stripped from him and I doubt he will stay silent about that.

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Quote from: blockman on April 10, 2023, 12:27:22 PM

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Good news for Filipino boxing fans, because we have a new champion in Marlon Tapales who beat and shocks Murodjon Akhmadaliev to wrestle his two belts with a majority decision with, 115-113 for Tapales and then one judge score it a lopsided 118-110 for Akhmadaliev (maybe he is on the payroll, hehehe). Both started slow but it was more of Tapales outworking him the middle to the later rounds and Akhmadaliev have signs of ring rust. And Marlon showing his shoulder roll

And now we have a new champion at 122 lbs, and Tapales or at least the winner of the Fulton and Inoue will be all go out for a super bantamweight unification fight later or early next year.

Congratulations to him, his name isn't noisy but he's lowkey achieving things and bringing the banner of our country.
There is now another someone, a kababayan that we can watch the path of his career in boxing.
I haven't watched the match yet since we've just come from a long holiday but then, it's nice to see that another countrymen, a boxing professional is making his own name and winning matches.

I'm guilty as well because I really thought that Donaire is the nearest one to achieve a championship status because Casimero is still earning his name at 122 now, what I know is that Tapales is in super-bantamweight as well, but I didn't know that he was scheduled to fight Murodjon Akhmadaliev who had the IBF and WBA belt.
I was surprised yesterday morning when I saw the news that we got a Filipino champion who recently upsets a champion at 122 and found out that it was Marlon Tapales.

So proud of him because he is so dedicated and fought his way to become a champion even if his fight didn't make any noise.

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Quote from: Baofeng on April 08, 2023, 10:59:18 PM

Good news for Filipino boxing fans, because we have a new champion in Marlon Tapales who beat and shocks Murodjon Akhmadaliev to wrestle his two belts with a majority decision with, 115-113 for Tapales and then one judge score it a lopsided 118-110 for Akhmadaliev (maybe he is on the payroll, hehehe). Both started slow but it was more of Tapales outworking him the middle to the later rounds and Akhmadaliev have signs of ring rust. And Marlon showing his shoulder roll

And now we have a new champion at 122 lbs, and Tapales or at least the winner of the Fulton and Inoue will be all go out for a super bantamweight unification fight later or early next year.

Congratulations to him, his name isn't noisy but he's lowkey achieving things and bringing the banner of our country.
There is now another someone, a kababayan that we can watch the path of his career in boxing.
I haven't watched the match yet since we've just come from a long holiday but then, it's nice to see that another countrymen, a boxing professional is making his own name and winning matches.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on April 10, 2023, 02:39:29 AM

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Congrats as well @danherbias07, good hit on that Tapales win.

This is just one hurdle that Marlon did, he was a huge underdog, nevertheless he proved how smart he is, just outpointing Murodjon Akhmadaliev is very tough as this fight in the US. Good thing that 2 of the judges was fair, they even have the same score, so most likely it was very close but at the end Marlon did a good job.

But the biggest challenged for him will be the winner of Fulton vs Inoue. It's difficult fight, either who wins, IMHO.

Thank you.
The other judge though seems to have a different perspective about the fight. I understand how we have different views but 118 against 110 for Akhmadaliev seems to be going too far. It almost looked like he was paid to be a judge. (assuming) It's a close fight, and it should be seen in their scores. The score he gave is too questionable.

It sure do look that he got paid in my perspective, I mean, look at those two other judge as they both scored 115-113 in favor of Tapales and then there is this Javier Alvarez (judge) who scored way out of the line and tried to pull Murodjon's chances or at least tied the outcome of the fight.

If it wasn't for that judge, the fight could've ended with a unanimous decision in-favor of Marlon Tapales because he totally deserved it as he owned most rounds in the fight. Also, Eddie Hearn tried to make an appeal that the score was wrong and his cow, Murodjon, should have won that fight and retain his belts.

Better luck next time, Hearn! Grin

It's already obvious that your cow(s) really got some help in almost every fight you made.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on April 10, 2023, 02:20:10 AM

Joyce vs. Zhang

It's obviously a cherry pick by Joyce because Zhang didn't even able to beat Filip Hrgovic, Joyce is better than Hrgovic, I think Joyce will win via KO since his KO rate is really high. If Joyce win via KO, it will boost his mental and he will be confident enough to challenge Tyson Fury for WBC belt. If he only win via decision, I think he will take few fight more.

Quote from: danherbias07 on April 10, 2023, 02:39:29 AM

It almost looked like he was paid to be a judge. (assuming) It's a close fight, and it should be seen in their scores. The score he gave is too questionable.

It's nothing surprised there's always one judge have a controversial score.

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