Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 119.

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Quote from: harizen on February 24, 2023, 07:58:32 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on February 24, 2023, 05:11:39 PM

But apparently, Bivol is willing to go down to 168 lbs and fight Canelo as long as Alvarez is willing to put his belt on the line.

That makes sense since it's already clear from the start that Bivol will only take the rematch against Canelo with the belt on the line.

But I'm not aware of it honestly that Bivol is willing to go down. As far as my knowledge is concerned, it's Canelo's camp doing the run.

Regardless though, a fight with Beterbiev or Canelo is a good one for Bivol. Let's see.

I just saw this one when trying to look for articles about Bivol wanting to go down to super MW weight class to get Alvarez,

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“Of course it will be enough motivation for me to make 168,” Bivol told Boxing Social. “But I need to think about it more. I wasn’t 168 for many years. I didn’t make this weight. But if this fight is possible, OK , let’s talk about it. Let’s do it. I think I would be ready.” Bivol said in an interview with Boxing Social media.

https://www.wbaboxing.com/boxing-news/bivol-willing-to-drop-weight-class-for-rematch-with-canelo

From his quoted words, he still not sure if he will want to down to 168 lbs or not. There should be motivation though, belts of Canelo or money wise. Or Bivol chasing greatness here, a win over Canelo will put him of holding 2 world belts simultaneously.

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Quote from: btc_angela on February 24, 2023, 05:11:39 PM

But apparently, Bivol is willing to go down to 168 lbs and fight Canelo as long as Alvarez is willing to put his belt on the line.

That makes sense since it's already clear from the start that Bivol will only take the rematch against Canelo with the belt on the line.

But I'm not aware of it honestly that Bivol is willing to go down. As far as my knowledge is concerned, it's Canelo's camp doing the run.

Regardless though, a fight with Beterbiev or Canelo is a good one for Bivol. Let's see.

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Quote from: BitcoinAccepted on February 24, 2023, 05:16:46 PM

Will we ever hear from the Iranian hulk again? Or maybe we should say Iranian dwarf. He made himself completely ridiculous last year for his performance in the stare down against Martin Ford. He then did another boxing match against an amateur boxer and lost there without a chance. Does anyone have any idea who was behind that Iranian hulk circus? It now appears that more and more boxers have used steroids. The Iranian hulk doesn't need that, he just uses Photoshop Grin

I can't comment on the Iranian Hulk as I haven't follow his career though.

I closely look at Benn case, I read from people who are close to him saying that it was a false positive. Even that time his opponent Chris Eubank Jr. can't believed that result.

And it's good that he is vindicated here, and the first thing that WBC did was strip him of his standings and now he is reinstated. Even Canelo was caught Clen in his system in the rematch with GGG, but again it was false positive. Reason for Benn to be positive is that he consumed two many eggs, while in Canelo, it was the Mexican Beef, which the cattlers feed with steroids so that this cow grow big and that's how the supposedly drugs went into Canelo's system. Even at the height of Pacquiao's ascend to boxing greatness, he was accused of taking drugs too, because no one believed that an Asian guy who started his campaign at 108 lbs and moved as high as 154 lbs and become a champion.

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Quote from: BitcoinAccepted on February 24, 2023, 05:16:46 PM

Will we ever hear from the Iranian hulk again? Or maybe we should say Iranian dwarf. He made himself completely ridiculous last year for his performance in the stare down against Martin Ford. He then did another boxing match against an amateur boxer and lost there without a chance. Does anyone have any idea who was behind that Iranian hulk circus? It now appears that more and more boxers have used steroids. The Iranian hulk doesn't need that, he just uses Photoshop Grin

I don't think that he is a boxer, for me it looks like he is a body builder but then he just ruined his physique by taking those steroids to accentuate his figure. And so when he enters the amateur or exhibitions matches, he was really exposed.

As for boxer taking drugs, we haven't heard anyone really taking some performance enhancing drugs, because it doesn't make sense for them to bulk up or gain muscle. Like in this case, it was just a false alarm.

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Will we ever hear from the Iranian hulk again? Or maybe we should say Iranian dwarf. He made himself completely ridiculous last year for his performance in the stare down against Martin Ford. He then did another boxing match against an amateur boxer and lost there without a chance. Does anyone have any idea who was behind that Iranian hulk circus? It now appears that more and more boxers have used steroids. The Iranian hulk doesn't need that, he just uses Photoshop Grin

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Quote from: lionheart78 on February 24, 2023, 04:47:35 PM

Quote from: chaser15 on February 24, 2023, 02:53:05 PM

As much as possible though, Beterbiev should fight Bivol next no matter what. Sick of this mandated title defense where in fact they can already set a deal for the much awaited undisputed fight in the Light Heavyweight between Beterbiev and Dmitry Bivol. Beterbiev also mentioned after his successful title defense against Yarde previously that he wants Bivol next.

I also want this fight to happen but honestly, I think Bivol will be the underdog in this fight. I also think that Bivol has a smaller chance of winning unless Bivol can withstand Beterbiev's power punchs.

Quote from: chaser15 on February 24, 2023, 02:53:05 PM

About Canelo, he needs to adjust if he wants a rematch with Bivol. The adjustment would be, fighting Bivol at its weightclass and of course, Canelo should have a title at risk in order for Bivol to be interested fighting him. Not unless the boxing council assigned Bivol to mandatory fight Canelo but for me, it doesn't make sense for another title defense to either Bivol or Beterbiev.

I think Canelo will have a hard time beating Bivol, Light heavyweight is too big for him. We have seen the effect of gaining massive weight to Canelo when he fought Bivol. Canelo become slower and his punch seems normal in that weight class. So I think if Canelo wanted to win the fight, it should be in a catchweight.

They are not talking about a fighting Bivol at a catch weight, they wanted it to be in his best division with his the super middle weight at 168 lbs. I initially though that it is a joke because we haven't seen Bivol fighting at this division.

But apparently, Bivol is willing to go down to 168 lbs and fight Canelo as long as Alvarez is willing to put his belt on the line.

As for Bivol and Beterbiev, yes I do agree that Bivol will be the underdog.

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Quote from: chaser15 on February 24, 2023, 02:53:05 PM

As much as possible though, Beterbiev should fight Bivol next no matter what. Sick of this mandated title defense where in fact they can already set a deal for the much awaited undisputed fight in the Light Heavyweight between Beterbiev and Dmitry Bivol. Beterbiev also mentioned after his successful title defense against Yarde previously that he wants Bivol next.

I also want this fight to happen but honestly, I think Bivol will be the underdog in this fight. I also think that Bivol has a smaller chance of winning unless Bivol can withstand Beterbiev's power punchs.

Quote from: chaser15 on February 24, 2023, 02:53:05 PM

About Canelo, he needs to adjust if he wants a rematch with Bivol. The adjustment would be, fighting Bivol at its weightclass and of course, Canelo should have a title at risk in order for Bivol to be interested fighting him. Not unless the boxing council assigned Bivol to mandatory fight Canelo but for me, it doesn't make sense for another title defense to either Bivol or Beterbiev.

I think Canelo will have a hard time beating Bivol, Light heavyweight is too big for him. We have seen the effect of gaining massive weight to Canelo when he fought Bivol. Canelo become slower and his punch seems normal in that weight class. So I think if Canelo wanted to win the fight, it should be in a catchweight.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on February 24, 2023, 07:12:46 AM

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Quote from: TravelMug on February 23, 2023, 10:49:25 PM

^ Yes, Eddie Hearn wanted a Bivol vs Beterbiev and so is Bob Arum, so let's see how they are going to work it out.

Its just for now it's complicated as Bivol is targeting Canelo as well, either 168 or 175 lbs. And then Callum Smith is also coming into the horizon and also looking for a big payday against Beterbiev. We wait how the Smith vs Stepien result will be though, if he wins maybe Bivol is willing to fight him instead of waiting for Bivol.

Time is running out on Beterbiev though, I mean he is not getting any younger, if in two years, he didn't get Bivol it might be too late when the are going to face in the future and it might not be the fight that we are expecting for.

And so we might not see the unification fight in my opinion.

And they will have to go on their separate fight, Bivol vs Buatsi, Beterbiev vs Smith.

True, Beterbiev should not waste any more time as his power may slowly decline once he turns 40. I would like to see him have one more fight before a unification bout with Bivol, and after that, he can think about retiring if he fails. Speaking of Bivol, when do you think Canelo will have his rematch with Bivol?

As much as possible though, Beterbiev should fight Bivol next no matter what. Sick of this mandated title defense where in fact they can already set a deal for the much awaited undisputed fight in the Light Heavyweight between Beterbiev and Dmitry Bivol. Beterbiev also mentioned after his successful title defense against Yarde previously that he wants Bivol next.

About Canelo, he needs to adjust if he wants a rematch with Bivol. The adjustment would be, fighting Bivol at its weightclass and of course, Canelo should have a title at risk in order for Bivol to be interested fighting him. Not unless the boxing council assigned Bivol to mandatory fight Canelo but for me, it doesn't make sense for another title defense to either Bivol or Beterbiev.

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Quote from: TravelMug on February 23, 2023, 10:49:25 PM

^ Yes, Eddie Hearn wanted a Bivol vs Beterbiev and so is Bob Arum, so let's see how they are going to work it out.

Its just for now it's complicated as Bivol is targeting Canelo as well, either 168 or 175 lbs. And then Callum Smith is also coming into the horizon and also looking for a big payday against Beterbiev. We wait how the Smith vs Stepien result will be though, if he wins maybe Bivol is willing to fight him instead of waiting for Bivol.

That was Eddie Hearn's first plans but after weighing somethings, he suddenly changed his mind because as of now, he have another play in mind.

But for Canelo, he is not yet on the equation as he still have a tune-up fight incoming with a boxer named Ryder and it's not yet scheduled nor his camp made any attempts to make a discussion to make the fight possible. So possibly, Canelo is still feeling his wrist and is likely taking some time to fully heal it.

Anyway, what we have here about the proposed fight mentioned above is not yet final. Maybe in the next couple of weeks, we might see a done deal between the said camps.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on February 23, 2023, 10:25:15 PM

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Is it already a mandator fight between Callum Smith and Beterbiev? As far as I know, the 3-belt champion is not yet due for another mandatory title defense, correct me if I'm wrong though. But hopefully that it's not yet the case because a unification fight in the light-heavyweight is the one that people wanted and in-fact, avid fans waited for quite a long time. In the end, WBC will be a huge hurdle.

For this fight to be to fruition Callum Smith would need to defeat Pawel Stepien on March 11th, so he can get his mandated fight for the WBC against Artur Beterbiev, so the Artur Beterbiev VS Dmitry Bivol will not happen but Hearn has said he wants this fight to happen in Abu Dhabi but yeah it was a hurdle for that two to fight or collide, but yeah the Callum Smith VS Beterbiev is in the horizon if Smith defeats Pawel Smith because if not there are no chance for Callum to face Beterbiev for a title shot,

I reckon that the place was not a problem because it's the WBC who is making the fight looks impossible to happen as they won't sanction a unification fight between Bivol vs Beterbiev as currently, Russian boxers are barred from getting any titles or additional titles like in Bivol's case.

Just a new update, Hearn has changed his mind and is now pursuing a different route. A doubleheader!

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Eddie Hearn is planning a massive June 3rd doubleheader in Abu Dhabi, headlined by Dmitry Bivol defending his WBA light heavyweight title against his #1 challenger Joshua Buatsi, with IBF, WBC & WBO 175-lb champion Artur Beterbiev battling his WBC mandatory Callum Smith.

Hearn says the card can “absolutely” happen, and he’s eager to put it together to set up two other big fights involving Bivol facing Beterbiev for the light heavyweight undisputed championship and Bivol fighting Canelo Alvarez in a rematch later this year in September.

The downside of Hearn’s plans is that the Bivol-Beterbiev fight would be delayed until possibly December or early next year.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on February 24, 2023, 04:34:31 AM

Quote from: TravelMug on February 23, 2023, 10:49:25 PM

^ Yes, Eddie Hearn wanted a Bivol vs Beterbiev and so is Bob Arum, so let's see how they are going to work it out.

Its just for now it's complicated as Bivol is targeting Canelo as well, either 168 or 175 lbs. And then Callum Smith is also coming into the horizon and also looking for a big payday against Beterbiev. We wait how the Smith vs Stepien result will be though, if he wins maybe Bivol is willing to fight him instead of waiting for Bivol.

Time is running out on Beterbiev though, I mean he is not getting any younger, if in two years, he didn't get Bivol it might be too late when the are going to face in the future and it might not be the fight that we are expecting for.

And so we might not see the unification fight in my opinion.

And they will have to go on their separate fight, Bivol vs Buatsi, Beterbiev vs Smith.

True, Beterbiev should not waste any more time as his power may slowly decline once he turns 40. I would like to see him have one more fight before a unification bout with Bivol, and after that, he can think about retiring if he fails. Speaking of Bivol, when do you think Canelo will have his rematch with Bivol?

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Quote from: TravelMug on February 23, 2023, 10:49:25 PM

^ Yes, Eddie Hearn wanted a Bivol vs Beterbiev and so is Bob Arum, so let's see how they are going to work it out.

Its just for now it's complicated as Bivol is targeting Canelo as well, either 168 or 175 lbs. And then Callum Smith is also coming into the horizon and also looking for a big payday against Beterbiev. We wait how the Smith vs Stepien result will be though, if he wins maybe Bivol is willing to fight him instead of waiting for Bivol.

Time is running out on Beterbiev though, I mean he is not getting any younger, if in two years, he didn't get Bivol it might be too late when the are going to face in the future and it might not be the fight that we are expecting for.

And so we might not see the unification fight in my opinion.

And they will have to go on their separate fight, Bivol vs Buatsi, Beterbiev vs Smith.

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^ Yes, Eddie Hearn wanted a Bivol vs Beterbiev and so is Bob Arum, so let's see how they are going to work it out.

Its just for now it's complicated as Bivol is targeting Canelo as well, either 168 or 175 lbs. And then Callum Smith is also coming into the horizon and also looking for a big payday against Beterbiev. We wait how the Smith vs Stepien result will be though, if he wins maybe Bivol is willing to fight him instead of waiting for Bivol.

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Quote from: Japinat on February 23, 2023, 12:36:07 PM

Is it already a mandator fight between Callum Smith and Beterbiev? As far as I know, the 3-belt champion is not yet due for another mandatory title defense, correct me if I'm wrong though. But hopefully that it's not yet the case because a unification fight in the light-heavyweight is the one that people wanted and in-fact, avid fans waited for quite a long time. In the end, WBC will be a huge hurdle.

For this fight to be to fruition Callum Smith would need to defeat Pawel Stepien on March 11th, so he can get his mandated fight for the WBC against Artur Beterbiev, so the Artur Beterbiev VS Dmitry Bivol will not happen but Hearn has said he wants this fight to happen in Abu Dhabi but yeah it was a hurdle for that two to fight or collide, but yeah the Callum Smith VS Beterbiev is in the horizon if Smith defeats Pawel Smith because if not there are no chance for Callum to face Beterbiev for a title shot,

Quote from: freedomgo on February 23, 2023, 03:32:32 PM

Can't really blame Paul Butler for his action as he just have to do what he had to do because it was his only chance to get a massive amount of money because getting a fight with the likes of Inoue will surely generate a good amount of money amounting to millions of dollars, that's guaranteed.

About the other champion at 122 which is Akhmadaliev, yes, Inoue will eventually face him much sooner but not for now because he doesn't possess the WBO belt. Now as a super champion, Inoue got the perk to go directly against Fulton because he got the WBO belt.

For sure every boxer wants millions of money in return for the fight who would not? surely Paul Butler has the intention of that accepting the fight and a chance to unify the belts that Inoue possesses, but surely we have all seen what happened in that fight Naoya Inoue Dominantly defeats Paul Butler while Butler already knows that he doesn't have any chance in beating Inoue and had aimed for the fight to go the distance but to no avail, he was drop by the devastating blows from Naoya Inoue,

And right now Naoya Inoue is going to greater heights and for the next unification he can achieve and I am really waiting for his chance to come,

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on February 22, 2023, 05:01:06 PM

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Inoue easily won against Paul Butler, conquering all opponents in the Bantamweight division, Inoue decided to increase the weight class. His opponent in the new Super Bantamweight class is most likely Fulton .
Fulton holds two world championship belts, WBO and WBC, is the world No. 1 boxer in this weight class. Against Fulton, Inoue will surely face the biggest and most difficult test ever.
I look forward to having a confrontation as soon as possible .

Not most likely because Stephen Fulton is indeed Inoue's first assignment in his transfer at 122, hence why we have a separate thread about Inoue vs Fulton.
Read here: https://www.espn.ph/boxing/story/_/id/35474707/naoya-inoue-stephen-fulton-agree-122-pound-title-bout
The thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/boxing-stephen-fulton-vs-naoya-inoue-wbc-wbo-122-lbs-bout-july-25-5436075

And about Inoue's recent fight with Butler, it's almost guaranteed the Inoue will unify all the belts and become the undisputed champion even before their fight commenced because it's too plain to see that Butler doesn't have what it takes to defeat a champion caliber especially if we are talking about him facing the Monster of Japan, the man won't surely be touted as such if he's not really that kind of boxer.

Yeah, there was just hype on Butler before the fight, and it's obvious that he wanted to make some noise. However, when the fight started, it's obvious that he is no match, but still commend him for staying and almost last the full 12 rounds but he has been taking a lot of punishments in the fight.

There is also another champion in that division Murodjon Akhmadaliev who holds the other 2 belts.

So can't say that Fulton is the no. 1 boxer in that weight class.

Can't really blame Paul Butler for his action as he just have to do what he had to do because it was his only chance to get a massive amount of money because getting a fight with the likes of Inoue will surely generate a good amount of money amounting to millions of dollars, that's guaranteed.

About the other champion at 122 which is Akhmadaliev, yes, Inoue will eventually face him much sooner but not for now because he doesn't possess the WBO belt. Now as a super champion, Inoue got the perk to go directly against Fulton because he got the WBO belt.

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Quote from: Silberman on February 22, 2023, 04:30:10 PM

Quote from: yazher on February 22, 2023, 05:15:27 AM

Right now I am excited to see the progress in negotiations between Beterbiev and Bivol because this is the best fight we could have this year if they won't gonna delay it. based on this source, they will gonna try to make it happen in June and I think that would be best for both of them to prepare for real war against each other.

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I wonder how Bivol will deal with that destructive power of Beterbiev, his few punches will gonna make him lose his defense in just a matter of 3 rounds if Bivol is not careful and ready to take those superpower punches.

I hope it happens but I am not so sure it could happen during this summer since the WBC has ordered Beterbiev to fight Callum Smith, and if the aim of Bivol is to make some more money before facing Beterbiev then he could fight Canelo again in September and then fight Beterbiev until 2024, but even if the fight were delayed I think that both of them are confident on getting the win and I do not see them ducking each other for long.

Is it already a mandator fight between Callum Smith and Beterbiev? As far as I know, the 3-belt champion is not yet due for another mandatory title defense, correct me if I'm wrong though. But hopefully that it's not yet the case because a unification fight in the light-heavyweight is the one that people wanted and in-fact, avid fans waited for quite a long time. In the end, WBC will be a huge hurdle.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on February 23, 2023, 06:08:52 AM

Most likely it was Fulton and Figueroa headlining this event but this main undercard is now lifted as its main event. This is another good fight. Subriel Matias is probably the more polished but I am hoping for Jeremias Ponce to score an upset. Hopefully, Ponce won't be too reckless with his aggression because Matias is also a KO artist. The biggest names in their division are all in Top Rank, Josh Taylor, Jose Ramirez, Teofimo Lopez, and the possibility of Devin Haney coming up too. And we may not see Matias facing them due to his contract with PBC so it is better and more exciting for boxing if Ponce wins.

Yes, It was initially Stephen Fulton VS Brandon Figueroa but for some unknown reasons it was not disclosed to the media I don't see any news about the fight cancellation anywhere, but apparently, maybe it was the ESPN news on January 16, that Stephen Fulton would instead face Mark Magsayo as Fulton has done a negotiation with the former three-division world champion Naoya Inoue, that hasn't any lead yet but maybe the Stephen Fulton VS Mark Magsayo will be this year, but there are any newer about it,

Well Speaking of the current Main event fight Jeremias Nicolas Ponce indeed have a lot of experience when it comes against Subriel Matias because of his many fights, but you can not take away the Polish movement of Subriel Matias well I am also leaning towards Subriel Matias, for sure he will give a more spicy result but will indeed looking for some other things right because I have made my final bet,

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on February 23, 2023, 03:38:10 AM

This coming February 25, This could be a Stephen Fulton VS Brandon Figueroa fight but it was canceled or it was rumored to be in this event we are still having a great event and for me, I would surely make my pick here I haven't seen any other thread about this fight so check this out

Showtime Championship Boxing: Matias vs. Ponce

Saturday 02.25.2023
Promotion: TGB Promotions
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
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Most likely it was Fulton and Figueroa headlining this event but this main undercard is now lifted as its main event. This is another good fight. Subriel Matias is probably the more polished but I am hoping for Jeremias Ponce to score an upset. Hopefully, Ponce won't be too reckless with his aggression because Matias is also a KO artist. The biggest names in their division are all in Top Rank, Josh Taylor, Jose Ramirez, Teofimo Lopez, and the possibility of Devin Haney coming up too. And we may not see Matias facing them due to his contract with PBC so it is better and more exciting for boxing if Ponce wins.

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This coming February 25, This could be a Stephen Fulton VS Brandon Figueroa fight but it was canceled or it was rumored to be in this event we are still having a great event and for me, I would surely make my pick here I haven't seen any other thread about this fight so check this out

Showtime Championship Boxing: Matias vs. Ponce

Saturday 02.25.2023
Promotion: TGB Promotions
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota

IBF World Super Lightweight Title
MAIN EVENT

Subriel Matias VS Jeremias Nicolas Ponce

CO-MAIN EVENT

Jamal James VS Alberto Palmetta

MAIN CARD

Elvis Rodriguez VS Joseph Adorno

PRELIMINARY CARD

Kudratillo Abdukakhorov VS Ve Shawn Owens
Mickel Spencer VS Margarito Hernandez
Derrick Jackson VS Willie Jones
Jonathan Lopez VS Eduardo Diogo
Breeon Carothers VS Kevin Schmidt
Adam Kownacki VS Devin Vargas

CANCELLED CARD

Stephen Fulton VS Brandon Figueroa

All information was from TAPOLOGY

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Quote from: Silberman on February 22, 2023, 04:30:10 PM

Quote from: yazher on February 22, 2023, 05:15:27 AM

Right now I am excited to see the progress in negotiations between Beterbiev and Bivol because this is the best fight we could have this year if they won't gonna delay it. based on this source, they will gonna try to make it happen in June and I think that would be best for both of them to prepare for real war against each other.

Source

I wonder how Bivol will deal with that destructive power of Beterbiev, his few punches will gonna make him lose his defense in just a matter of 3 rounds if Bivol is not careful and ready to take those superpower punches.

I hope it happens but I am not so sure it could happen during this summer since the WBC has ordered Beterbiev to fight Callum Smith, and if the aim of Bivol is to make some more money before facing Beterbiev then he could fight Canelo again in September and then fight Beterbiev until 2024, but even if the fight were delayed I think that both of them are confident on getting the win and I do not see them ducking each other for long.

Just like what he did against Canelo, he will use volume punching to throw off Beterbiev in the early rounds. Bivol also has a lot of gas tank and he can do it the whole 12 rounds.

And just like Yarde did to Beterbiev early, the problem with his is that he doesn't have a huge lungs and when Beterbiev caught him, it's over. So this fight is going to be big, two champions in the LHW class, both Russians. But then again, it might not be easily made as they have different promoters and network affiliations.

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