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February 17, 2023, 07:46:09 PM
Another exciting match will come this weekend. The clash between Luis Nery against Azat Hovhannisyan at 122.

They just made their official weigh-in but Azat lacks only a few after weighing 121.6. Should not be a big deal though.

The winner of this match will be the mandatory challenger of who will win against Stephen Fulton and Naoya Inoue.
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February 17, 2023, 07:11:16 PM
Let see if he will win and start preparing for the title fight if, in case Vargas will negotiate right after Magsayo wins his fight.

Winning against Brandon Figueroa is Mark Magsayo's ticket for the rematch with Rey Vargas. No need for Vargas to negotiate as it will happen because the winner between Magsayo and Figueroa will be an interim champion and Vargas needs to defend his title.

Yes, it's inevitable, they might get their rematch if Mark Magsayo will win against a very tough opponent in Brandon Figueroa.

Just roughly 3 weeks of waiting and we will see the winner of that match.

And most likely they are really pushing themselves in the last 2 weeks of training, and then in the last week probably doing light trainings only so that they will not get burn out and just ready and prime for fight night.

I'm looking at our favorite crypto sport bookies and so far, no odds has been released yet.
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February 17, 2023, 06:59:15 PM
Let see if he will win and start preparing for the title fight if, in case Vargas will negotiate right after Magsayo wins his fight.

Winning against Brandon Figueroa is Mark Magsayo's ticket for the rematch with Rey Vargas. No need for Vargas to negotiate as it will happen because the winner between Magsayo and Figueroa will be an interim champion and Vargas needs to defend his title.

Let's talk about Magsayo vs Vargas later on once we see the winner of Magsayo vs Figueroa.

Just roughly 3 weeks of waiting and we will see the winner of that match.
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February 17, 2023, 04:20:55 PM
I agree, it is better for Magsayo to be slick, and quick and must launch a scoring punch rather than a knock-out punch.  This way he can compete against Vargas in scoring.  Besides not putting much of force on the punches can render him more mobile and quick.  He should know when to launch heavy knockout punches and the scoring punches.  Sadly, Magsayo is all brawn and not using his brain during the fight against Vargas.  

For sure Magsayo's camp is already aware of those problems. If ever given a chance again to face Vargas, those problems will surely be addressed. Let's also consider the fact that Magsayo isn't really outscored in the match as he won the one judge.


Surely Magsayo has learned a thing or two about Vargas's strength and his weakness especially recently when Foster revealed how to defeat Vargas, although I'm not sure that Magsayo can use that one because they have a different fighting style and Foster is quite slick, that is why Vargas failed in his attempt. This time, Magsayo should level up his game because he will get embarrassed for sure if he didn't learn something from their first encounter.

He need to adjust and learn from his past mistake, adding more on his stamina so he can last long with good breathing, unlike with that first encounter where he didn't manage to win the fight, but for now better to focus with his upcoming fight and think about Vargas after he succeed with these opportunities to come back.

Let see if he will win and start preparing for the title fight if, in case Vargas will negotiate right after Magsayo wins his fight.
It looks like magsayo can survive and will fight as best he can and I think there is a chance for him to win the fight because in some news I heard he has prepared everything and is really training quite well in terms of attack defense and stamina or breathing.
That way I'm sure at the meeting of the fight he can fight well enough and beat vargas and can continue the fight to be able to take the championship belt.
This fight is a good opportunity for magsayo so he will prove and give his best to win.
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February 17, 2023, 01:53:22 PM
I agree, it is better for Magsayo to be slick, and quick and must launch a scoring punch rather than a knock-out punch.  This way he can compete against Vargas in scoring.  Besides not putting much of force on the punches can render him more mobile and quick.  He should know when to launch heavy knockout punches and the scoring punches.  Sadly, Magsayo is all brawn and not using his brain during the fight against Vargas.  

For sure Magsayo's camp is already aware of those problems. If ever given a chance again to face Vargas, those problems will surely be addressed. Let's also consider the fact that Magsayo isn't really outscored in the match as he won the one judge.


Surely Magsayo has learned a thing or two about Vargas's strength and his weakness especially recently when Foster revealed how to defeat Vargas, although I'm not sure that Magsayo can use that one because they have a different fighting style and Foster is quite slick, that is why Vargas failed in his attempt. This time, Magsayo should level up his game because he will get embarrassed for sure if he didn't learn something from their first encounter.

He need to adjust and learn from his past mistake, adding more on his stamina so he can last long with good breathing, unlike with that first encounter where he didn't manage to win the fight, but for now better to focus with his upcoming fight and think about Vargas after he succeed with these opportunities to come back.

Let see if he will win and start preparing for the title fight if, in case Vargas will negotiate right after Magsayo wins his fight.

They will eventually get to that point if ever Magsayo will have a pretty performance and defeat Figueroa. The winner of this fight will determine who will challenge Vargas's belt and if ever he won't negotiate, there is a strong chance that the WBC might participate to get this bout done as I think Vargas is almost due for a mandatory fight. For now, let's just see first how will Magsayo play his card against Figueroa and wait for the outcome.
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February 17, 2023, 11:59:35 AM
today's fights even made me laugh, and they are fights in which there is a big difference in odds, it looks like they will be fights between professional fighters vs amateur fighters, just look at some examples:

Aloys Youmbi - Jiri Krejci

Aloys Youmbi = @1.02

Jiri Krejci = @17.00

Does anyone have the courage to bet on Jiri Krejci?

Mohamed, Adan-Rodriguez Jr, Francisco

Muhammad = @1.02

Rodriguez Jr = @17.00

Does anyone have the courage to bet on Rodriguez Jr?

I wonder how these guys' trainers feel when they see that their athlete isn't even given as someone who has at least a 40% chance of winning the fight, it looks like they don't even train

The odds are very attractive indeed, but we don't know who this two fighters are, so for me? I don't have the courage to bet on both of them. Book makers are good as what they are doing at, giving us that odds and so it doesn't make sense unless you personally know this two boxers.

For the trainers, it's the nature of their job, maybe they will try to do their best to train Rodriguez Jr.

But at the end of the day they lose the fight then there's nothing they can do about it.
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February 17, 2023, 10:48:39 AM
I agree, it is better for Magsayo to be slick, and quick and must launch a scoring punch rather than a knock-out punch.  This way he can compete against Vargas in scoring.  Besides not putting much of force on the punches can render him more mobile and quick.  He should know when to launch heavy knockout punches and the scoring punches.  Sadly, Magsayo is all brawn and not using his brain during the fight against Vargas.  

For sure Magsayo's camp is already aware of those problems. If ever given a chance again to face Vargas, those problems will surely be addressed. Let's also consider the fact that Magsayo isn't really outscored in the match as he won the one judge.


Surely Magsayo has learned a thing or two about Vargas's strength and his weakness especially recently when Foster revealed how to defeat Vargas, although I'm not sure that Magsayo can use that one because they have a different fighting style and Foster is quite slick, that is why Vargas failed in his attempt. This time, Magsayo should level up his game because he will get embarrassed for sure if he didn't learn something from their first encounter.

He need to adjust and learn from his past mistake, adding more on his stamina so he can last long with good breathing, unlike with that first encounter where he didn't manage to win the fight, but for now better to focus with his upcoming fight and think about Vargas after he succeed with these opportunities to come back.

Let see if he will win and start preparing for the title fight if, in case Vargas will negotiate right after Magsayo wins his fight.
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February 17, 2023, 09:01:57 AM
today's fights even made me laugh, and they are fights in which there is a big difference in odds, it looks like they will be fights between professional fighters vs amateur fighters, just look at some examples:

Aloys Youmbi - Jiri Krejci

Aloys Youmbi = @1.02

Jiri Krejci = @17.00

Does anyone have the courage to bet on Jiri Krejci?

Mohamed, Adan-Rodriguez Jr, Francisco

Muhammad = @1.02

Rodriguez Jr = @17.00

Does anyone have the courage to bet on Rodriguez Jr?

I wonder how these guys' trainers feel when they see that their athlete isn't even given as someone who has at least a 40% chance of winning the fight, it looks like they don't even train
That will be bigger in a parlay.  Cheesy Just kidding. On whose card is this? I don't how the odds ended up like this, it's like they are predicting these boxers are sandbags.
I just checked Stake.com and a lot of boxing fights later are heavy underdogs.
Just to make it clear that is not the Mexican Francisco Rodriguez Jr that has 37 wins. This is the one fighting Adan Mohamed.
https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/971058 - Francisco Luiz Rodriguez Martin
https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/981482 - Adan Mohamed
Upon checking the stats, yes it's just reasonable. Adan never lost yet and has 2 knockouts.

For the other bout, Jiri Krejci has 2 losses and 1 draw and Aloys Youmbi has 2 wins with 1 knockout.
Just bet for the knockouts, maybe it will be more profitable.
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February 17, 2023, 08:19:21 AM
today's fights even made me laugh, and they are fights in which there is a big difference in odds, it looks like they will be fights between professional fighters vs amateur fighters, just look at some examples:

Aloys Youmbi - Jiri Krejci

Aloys Youmbi = @1.02

Jiri Krejci = @17.00

Does anyone have the courage to bet on Jiri Krejci?

Mohamed, Adan-Rodriguez Jr, Francisco

Muhammad = @1.02

Rodriguez Jr = @17.00

Does anyone have the courage to bet on Rodriguez Jr?

I wonder how these guys' trainers feel when they see that their athlete isn't even given as someone who has at least a 40% chance of winning the fight, it looks like they don't even train
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February 17, 2023, 05:59:03 AM
I agree, it is better for Magsayo to be slick, and quick and must launch a scoring punch rather than a knock-out punch.  This way he can compete against Vargas in scoring.  Besides not putting much of force on the punches can render him more mobile and quick.  He should know when to launch heavy knockout punches and the scoring punches.  Sadly, Magsayo is all brawn and not using his brain during the fight against Vargas.  

For sure Magsayo's camp is already aware of those problems. If ever given a chance again to face Vargas, those problems will surely be addressed. Let's also consider the fact that Magsayo isn't really outscored in the match as he won the one judge.


Surely Magsayo has learned a thing or two about Vargas's strength and his weakness especially recently when Foster revealed how to defeat Vargas, although I'm not sure that Magsayo can use that one because they have a different fighting style and Foster is quite slick, that is why Vargas failed in his attempt. This time, Magsayo should level up his game because he will get embarrassed for sure if he didn't learn something from their first encounter.
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February 17, 2023, 04:08:42 AM
^^ I think Jack Catterall and Josh Taylor can still fight in the future if they are going to win their respective fight. And I think both has a tougher opponents, Teo Lopez might be a good test for Josh Taylor and even if he become the odds favorite, it will be close.

Prograis is a champion and so no easy fight for Jack Catterall. But I wouldn't be surprised if Regis won on a the judges scorecard against Jack here. I think Prograis has the tools to beat Catterall.

They can surely meet each other someday but the point is, Jack Catterall should have only the right to fight Josh Taylor next and no one else. Their first meeting is too close that it needs a rematch right away but the injury got it temporarily delayed. Jack is even willing to wait until Taylor is eligible to fight.

Because of the sudden turn of events, Jack now needs to face another challenge before having a fight again with Taylor.

The worst thing that can happen is, it's not even sure that Jack will face Taylor next, for let's say they have won both their respective fights.
Boxing politics I guess, when Taylor is injured, Jack should still be the priority when he comes back. But Bob Arum has other plans and they skipped the challenger all together and then inserted their own stable fighters in Teo Lopez.

Jack might be really feeling mad about the situation, but he can't do anything. So he decided to still chase another championship belt against Regis Prograis. And if by chance he won, they call out Josh Taylor for their rematch.
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February 17, 2023, 01:12:09 AM
I have never seen this posted in the gambling discussion but this event will be tomorrow and this is Leigh Wood against Mauricio Lara

Wood vs. Lara



Saturday 02.18.2023
Location: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire

WBA World Featherweight Title
MAIN EVENT

Leigh Wood VS Mauricio Lara

British Lightweight Title
CO-MAIN EVENT

Dalton Smith VS Billy Allington

MAIN CARD

Gary Cully VS Wilfredo Flores
Gamal Yafai VS Diego Alberto Ruiz
Kieron Conway VS Jorge Silva
Nico Leivars VS Alberto Motos
Junaid Bostan VS Peter Kramer
Cheavon Clarke VS Israel Duffus
Sam Maxwell VS Shaun Cooper
Aaron Bowen VS Mathieu Gomes

CANCELLED CARD

Cheavon Clarke VS Dec Spelman - Change to Israel Duffus
Solomon Dacres VS Emir Ahmatovic - Totally Cancelled

All information was from TAPOLOGY
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February 16, 2023, 07:58:52 PM
I agree, it is better for Magsayo to be slick, and quick and must launch a scoring punch rather than a knock-out punch.  This way he can compete against Vargas in scoring.  Besides not putting much of force on the punches can render him more mobile and quick.  He should know when to launch heavy knockout punches and the scoring punches.  Sadly, Magsayo is all brawn and not using his brain during the fight against Vargas.  

For sure Magsayo's camp is already aware of those problems. If ever given a chance again to face Vargas, those problems will surely be addressed. Let's also consider the fact that Magsayo isn't really outscored in the match as he won the one judge.

But before proceeding with that discussion related to the possible rematch of Vargas and Magsayo, he should win obviously first against Brandon Figueroa who is also considered by many analysts as a tough opponent even though he's new to the Featherweight and Magsayo will be his first challenge at that division.
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February 16, 2023, 07:08:19 PM
Right, and for those who haven't seen the fight, here are the highlights of the fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voIiJWRqSJk

As I have said, you can see how slick the style of Foster is, typical African-American stance made famous by Floyd, the Philly shell. And it's hard to crack it, only few boxers have known how to fight against that stance.

Yes, and again, with this lost by Vargas, it's more intriguing the Magsayo vs Figueroa outcome. And both have seen what happen to Vargas and they know that he will go down to their weight class to insert him name. Nevertheless he is the current champion so both will have no choice but to fight Vargas.
Foster has a same reach like Vargas, so Vargas can't use his reach advantage like when he was fight Magsayo. Magsayo is very hard to reach Vargas since his hand is shorter, Vargas can easily duck it. I think Vargas is to late to change his stance, he always got punched in his right face, until sixth or seventh round he's realized about that.

If Magsayo will have a rematch with Vargas, it's better for him to being more aggressive and quick rather than looking to knocking out Vargas.

I agree, it is better for Magsayo to be slick, and quick and must launch a scoring punch rather than a knock-out punch.  This way he can compete against Vargas in scoring.  Besides not putting much of force on the punches can render him more mobile and quick.  He should know when to launch heavy knockout punches and the scoring punches.  Sadly, Magsayo is all brawn and not using his brain during the fight against Vargas. 
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February 16, 2023, 06:34:48 PM
^^ I think Jack Catterall and Josh Taylor can still fight in the future if they are going to win their respective fight. And I think both has a tougher opponents, Teo Lopez might be a good test for Josh Taylor and even if he become the odds favorite, it will be close.

Prograis is a champion and so no easy fight for Jack Catterall. But I wouldn't be surprised if Regis won on a the judges scorecard against Jack here. I think Prograis has the tools to beat Catterall.

They can surely meet each other someday but the point is, Jack Catterall should have only the right to fight Josh Taylor next and no one else. Their first meeting is too close that it needs a rematch right away but the injury got it temporarily delayed. Jack is even willing to wait until Taylor is eligible to fight.

Because of the sudden turn of events, Jack now needs to face another challenge before having a fight again with Taylor.

The worst thing that can happen is, it's not even sure that Jack will face Taylor next, for let's say they have won both their respective fights.
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February 16, 2023, 06:03:27 PM
I don't like the idea of him picking the same race like having a fight against another Filipino who's also aiming for the belt. But who knows, this is boxing and the position is vacated so, they can have each others hand on line and pull it.

If that's how it will go, then no choice but to face each other. Besides, it's not really in Donaire's camp to decide who will be his next opponent.

For now, who's gonna be the one that will be put as a mandatory fighter to challenge the WBC Bantamweight is still in question.

Let's follow the progress of that story.

I agree with you, although we don't want to see both Filipino boxers fighting as we only have few boxers who reach at a high level, but this is business, it defends on the organization and everytime a boxer will have a fight, they always sees it as an opportunity to shine, regardless of whom they'll face for that particular fight.

We should move on with that kind of mentality, I guess it's better to see Filipinos fighting against each other for the championship belt. Sooner or later it will happen, we've seen Donaire vs Gaballo already so we might see another one as there is another name like Astrolabio. Their goal is to win belts for the Filipinos so that they will enjoy another world champion. There were time that there are a lot of Filipino champions, Manny, Nietes, Villoria and Nonito Donaire in the same year having a belt.

Well I think we all know what the level of Filipino boxers is, it's very high, and of course they want them to eliminate each other in some way, but they should be much more cautious and make them fight against other boxers, this to maintain the sporting level well stocked and take advantage of the masses of fans who are always supporting the sport, but I think that as I said before, before the sport, especially in boxing, there is the business model, if there is not good money there, it cannot be done a lot, because when we think that certain fights will not attract a lot of money, they prefer to do this type of event, of course this is what I speculate, maybe I am wrong.
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February 16, 2023, 05:21:09 PM
Finally, we will see who is Donaire fighting for the vacant WBC bantamweight title, it will be Alexandro Santiago.

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BoxingScene,com has confirmed that the WBC has approved a vacant bantamweight title fight between Donaire and Mexico’s Alexandro Santiago. The pairing would satisfy the terms of the two highest ranked available contenders vying for one of the four titles left behind by former undisputed champ Naoya Inoue.

WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman revealed the development during a recent interview with ESPN Knockout, confirming a February 1 news break by BoxingScene.com stating that Santiago was likely next to land the title shot.   

https://www.boxingscene.com/nonito-donaire-alexandro-santiago-approved-vacant-wbc-title-date-location-tba--172526

I'm just confused though, I thought the next highest rank is Nawaphon Sor. Rungvisai  and Reymart Gaballo  who will have their own fight as well and I thought the winner will be Donaire's opponent for the vacant belt.

But obviously, I was very wrong hehehe, suddenly Santiago got the nod and I haven't seen his name in the WBC ranking,  Cheesy
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February 16, 2023, 06:15:25 AM
^^ I think Jack Catterall and Josh Taylor can still fight in the future if they are going to win their respective fight. And I think both has a tougher opponents, Teo Lopez might be a good test for Josh Taylor and even if he become the odds favorite, it will be close.

Prograis is a champion and so no easy fight for Jack Catterall. But I wouldn't be surprised if Regis won on a the judges scorecard against Jack here. I think Prograis has the tools to beat Catterall.
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February 15, 2023, 07:24:06 PM
Wow,



https://twitter.com/ESPNRingside/status/1623920701349548032

I don't think this will sit well with Jack Catterall as they have scheduled already a rematch with Josh Taylor. Unfortunately, Josh got injured again and so the fight is called off.

Now this news is circulating that Teo Lopez is not going to fight Josh Taylor next for the title.

So I think this is a bitch move from Top Rank to bypass Catterall. Jack losses the first fight against Josh Taylor but it was very close that there are some insiders who think that Jack won the fight.

And now the WBO make it official by mandating Josh Taylor to schedule a fight with Teo Lopez and Top Rank given 10 days to settle it,

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Chairman Luis Batista Salas outlined the terms of the fight in an official letter which said the WBO is "hereby ordering the commencement of negotiations for the mandatory title defence obligation in the jr. welterweight division between Josh Taylor and Teofimo Lopez, Jr".

"The camps herein are granted 10 days upon issuance of this notice to reach an agreement or purse bid proceedings shall be conducted pursuant to WBO regulations of world championship contests.

"The minimum bid for the jr. welterweight division is 150,000 US dollars. Any of the parties involved may request a purse bid ceremony at any time during the negotiation proces

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/64657867

So I guess there is no stopping this fight from happening, and I think Josh will be the slight favorite when sports bookies open their line in this fight.
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February 15, 2023, 05:32:25 PM
I think it's really a nightmare match-up for Magsayo if he will rematch Vargas (assuming that he will win against Figueroa). Magsayo is not a technical fighter, and Vargas weakness is a fighter that is slick like Foster.

So he will have a lot of adjustments to make in order to win against Vargas.

Both could be motivated though, Vargas trying to bounce back from a lot, and then Magsayo avenging his defeat and the belt.

I don't think that Magsayo will have that feeling of being a nightmare when he faced again Vargas if he won first against Figueroa.

First, he already expected right from the start that if he wants to pursue again to get the title he previously had, one task is to beat Vargas.

I do think that Vargas still has the advantage over Magasayo but the way Vargas fought against Foster, he was just exposed to his weaknesses that might be used by Magsayo's camp as a reference on how to deal with Vargas. But for now, let's not talk about that first as Magsayo needs to win first over Figueroa.

Magsayo can use that information to prepare well if ever he will win his upcoming fight, it's true that Vargas don't have that huge advantage, Magsayo just need to focus in improving his stamina after that he will have that chance to beat Vargas in case they meet again, I like to see these possible rematch as we will see both power and both are willing to throw solid punches and ready to recieve as well.

And with that said, let's see how he will do against Brandon Figueroa first and not overlook him as he has one of the best chins in this division and we don't know if the power of Magsayo has an effect on Brandon if he hit him right in the face.

If he won, then good for him, now he might have to look at the tape of Foster vs Vargas and see what Foster did that make him successful against Vargas. Because in their first fight, Magsayo has difficult time on catching Vargas straight.
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